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Let's Talk with Brian Houston

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April 10, 2017
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Guests Mark Burnett & Roma Downey

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  • - Brian Houston: Well, on
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  • today's program, I have the
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  • opportunity to speak to two
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  • great friends, that is Mark
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  • Burnett and Roma Downey.
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  • Mark, of course, he's the
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  • producer of shows like "The
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  • Voice," and "Survivor," and "The
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  • Apprentice," and many, many
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  • more.
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  • And Roma is a very successful,
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  • accomplished actress, maybe
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  • known through "Touched by An
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  • Angel."
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  • But as believers, they are
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  • totally committed to putting out
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  • the kind of material that will
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  • build the gospel.
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  • We're talking about dealing with
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  • family health problems.
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  • - Mark Burnett: And our son,
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  • and while the doctors said he
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  • would not leave hospital, walked
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  • out, you know?
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  • And to this day, certain doctors
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  • are like, "Wow, I've never seen
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  • a recovery like that."
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  • - Brian: We're talking about
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  • marriage.
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  • - Roma Downey: We often joke
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  • that the real miracle in our
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  • lives is that we work together
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  • and we're still speaking to each
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  • other.
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  • - all: [laughing]
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  • - Brian: We're talking about
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  • life's challenges.
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  • - Mark: Had I had any inkling
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  • how hard it was supposed to be,
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  • my fear may have prevented me
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  • from trying.
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  • But I literally was so naïve, I
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  • just did it.
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  • - Brian: And so, I'm looking
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  • forward to this talk in their
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  • home.
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  • - Brian: Well, I'm blessed
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  • today on "Let's Talk" 'cause I
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  • get to speak to a great couple
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  • of people doing remarkable
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  • things here in the United
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  • States, and that is Mark Burnett
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  • and Roma Downey.
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  • So, thank you for the chance to
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  • be here at your beautiful home
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  • and to talk to you guys.
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  • - Mark: Oh, we're so grateful.
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  • You've been here before, you and
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  • Bobbie, and we love, love having
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  • you in our home.
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  • - Brian: Now, that's an English
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  • accent, and you've got an Irish
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  • accent.
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  • Here we are in California, an
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  • Englishman and an Irish woman--
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  • - Mark: That sounds like a
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  • joke.
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  • - Roma: And an Australian.
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  • Walked into a bar.
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  • - Mark: Walked into a pub,
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  • yeah.
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  • - all: [laughing]
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  • - Brian: That's cool, so, where
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  • did you guys meet?
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  • You met here, did you, in the
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  • States?
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  • - Mark: Well, we met in Malibu,
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  • right down in the local village
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  • here in Malibu.
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  • - Roma: Yeah, I was having a
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  • manicure and a pedicure, and my
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  • husband was having a haircut,
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  • and--
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  • - Mark: I thought you looked so
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  • sexy with your feet in that
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  • bucket of water.
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  • - Roma: I know, my hands in a
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  • little bowl of water.
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  • And I looked across the room and
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  • caught his eyes in the mirror
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  • and I was embarrassed that I got
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  • caught looking over.
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  • And then I looked over again and
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  • I got caught again.
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  • Anyway, I got caught three times
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  • looking over, three times a
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  • charm.
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  • And Mark left first.
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  • And when I was leaving, I went
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  • to pay my bill and the
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  • receptionist said--I said,
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  • "Who's that guy?"
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  • And she says, "Didn't he just
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  • ask me who you were?"
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  • I said, "Oh, did he now?"
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  • - Mark: It worked out.
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  • - Roma: It worked out.
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  • - Brian: So, now, you didn't
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  • know who he was?
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  • You didn't know who Mark Burnett
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  • was?
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  • And you didn't know who Roma
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  • was?
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  • - Mark: No, the minute they
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  • said, "Roma Downey," I was like,
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  • "Oh, that's right," because, you
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  • know, Roma's a big star.
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  • On the same channel I had a show
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  • called "Survivor," Roma had
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  • "Touched by An Angel" on the
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  • same time.
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  • And so, yeah, I knew who she
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  • was.
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  • I just, in the mirror, I wasn't
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  • quite sure at that moment that
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  • that was her with her feet in
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  • the bucket of water.
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  • - Brian: That's pretty cool.
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  • So, the thing is that, you know,
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  • that you are here and God's
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  • obviously blessed you here in
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  • the United States.
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  • What's the history?
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  • What's the background to how
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  • either of you, both of you, came
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  • to be in the States in the first
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  • place?
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  • - Roma: Well, I, personally, I
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  • had a love of the theater and I
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  • came up through acting school
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  • and I ended up coming to America
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  • from Ireland, I grew up in
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  • Northern Ireland, with a theater
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  • company.
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  • And you know, I just came
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  • looking for the American Dream,
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  • and I, you know, ended up
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  • winging my way west to Los
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  • Angeles, started getting work in
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  • television and film, and was
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  • just so, you know, fortunate
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  • really.
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  • It's like I've worked hard, but
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  • I've got some good breaks.
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  • And then I ended up meetin' this
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  • guy gettin' a haircut.
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  • - Brian: And didn't you tell me
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  • once you came here with just
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  • $100 in your pocket or
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  • something?
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  • - Mark: Yeah, I'm very lucky.
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  • I mean, America is the land of
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  • opportunity, you know?
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  • And yeah, I came here with a
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  • couple hundred dollars, got a
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  • job, first job as a servant in
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  • Beverly Hills.
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  • And through a series of events,
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  • getting into TV and bein' very,
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  • very blessed abundantly
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  • economically in this country.
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  • - Brian: I mean, it's a great
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  • story that you've managed to
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  • come from, we'll call it, "Rags
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  • to riches."
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  • But it's amazing.
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  • What made you so passionate
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  • about making television?
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  • - Mark: It really wasn't, I
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  • wasn't passionate to make TV.
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  • I was passionate to create an
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  • outdoor sporting event called
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  • Eco Challenge, which actually
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  • made in Australia.
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  • And in order to get financed for
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  • making my outdoor contest, but
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  • through the jungles, the
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  • mountains, I needed TV coverage
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  • to make sure the sponsors got
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  • some money.
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  • And bein' very naïve, I said,
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  • "Oh, I'll make a TV show," not
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  • even realizing how hard it was.
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  • And being so naïve really served
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  • me 'cause I just became the
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  • executive producer, made a show,
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  • and within a couple of years,
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  • got my first Emmy.
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  • And it set me off and running.
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  • Had I had any inkling how hard
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  • it was supposed to be, my fear
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  • may have prevented me from
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  • trying.
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  • But I literally was so naïve, I
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  • just did it.
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  • And I think that's good advice
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  • for some people.
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  • Don't buy into people telling
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  • you, "It's been done before.
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  • It's too difficult."
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  • Just go for it, you know?
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  • Go for it and it can happen, you
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  • know?
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  • It takes the grace of God and
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  • his plan.
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  • If you're gonna sit on the couch
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  • and just hope his plan's gonna
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  • happen, to mysteriously have
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  • someone knock on your door, you
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  • do actually have to get up and
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  • go for it.
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  • And if it's in his plan for you
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  • to succeed in that, you will,
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  • but you won't even know if you
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  • don't get up and go for it.
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  • - Brian: Yeah, that's one of
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  • the things I've noticed about
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  • you two.
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  • You're remarkably hard workers.
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  • And I think a lot of people
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  • think that maybe a day comes
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  • when you graduate from hard
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  • work.
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  • But you don't seem to have
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  • graduated from hard work at all.
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  • Do you still love what you do?
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  • - Roma: Yeah, we love what we
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  • do.
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  • You know, and we get to do a lot
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  • of it together, which really has
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  • been great fun.
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  • We often joke that the real
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  • miracle in our lives is that we
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  • work together and we're still
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  • speaking to each other most of
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  • the time.
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  • - Mark: You don't wanna mess
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  • around with an Irish girl.
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  • It's actually, I'm like, "Yes,
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  • dear.
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  • Yes, dear."
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  • - Brian: But I watch the way
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  • you two interact, and you're
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  • very, very respectful of each
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  • other, which is very admirable.
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  • Have you, within your marriage,
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  • have you made certain
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  • commitments in terms of the way
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  • you will or won't talk to each
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  • other?
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  • - Roma: There's a wonderful
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  • Maya Angelou quote where she
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  • says, and perhaps I'm
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  • paraphrasing it, but she says,
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  • "You may not remember what
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  • someone did, and you may not
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  • remember what someone said, but
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  • you'll always remember how they
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  • made you feel."
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  • And so I'm very tone sensitive.
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  • Like, it's not the words even as
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  • much as the intention behind the
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  • words.
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  • And so Mark knows that, and we
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  • speak to each other kindly
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  • 'cause we don't always agree, of
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  • course.
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  • You know, more often than not,
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  • we don't agree on something.
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  • But there's a way respectfully
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  • to figure that out.
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  • - Brian: Yeah, you're telling
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  • me about the way you use the
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  • word "wait."
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  • Do you wanna talk to us about
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  • that?
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  • - Mark: Yeah, it's just many
  • 00:08:13.050 --> 00:08:14.110
  • things come up that--especially
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  • someone like me.
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  • I'm pretty forceful.
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  • I've got a big mouth and I
  • 00:08:20.150 --> 00:08:21.280
  • wanna--so I'll be quick to try
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  • and dominate my point of view.
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  • But my new thing now is, "Wait,
  • 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:27.250
  • why am I talking?"
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  • - Brian: That's a good way to
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  • live your life.
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  • - Mark: Right, and this is--and
  • 00:08:33.030 --> 00:08:34.100
  • my wife never ever heard that.
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  • She's so happy that I was
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  • telling Bobbie today it's my new
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  • thing.
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  • And that's, if you've noticed
  • 00:08:38.220 --> 00:08:39.290
  • lately, I've said less about
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  • things that I ordinarily would
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  • 'cause I'm--
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  • - Roma: I haven't noticed that.
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  • - Mark: Oh, stop it, stop it.
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  • - Roma: I always joke my
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  • husband talks more, you know, he
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  • has a lot to say.
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  • But he's a great talker, you
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  • know?
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  • He talks a lot.
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  • And so that's amazing to hear
  • 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:56.140
  • you say that.
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  • - Mark: Wait, why am I talking?
  • 00:08:57.150 --> 00:08:59.240
  • - Roma: My old dad used to say,
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  • and not in any unkind way at
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  • all, but he used to say, when we
  • 00:09:03.190 --> 00:09:05.090
  • spoke as children and he'd say,
  • 00:09:05.090 --> 00:09:06.230
  • "Now, really, did that improve
  • 00:09:06.260 --> 00:09:09.260
  • the silence?"
  • 00:09:09.260 --> 00:09:11.050
  • You know?
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  • - Brian: Well, he's English and
  • 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:12.290
  • I'm Australian so, you know, we
  • 00:09:12.290 --> 00:09:14.040
  • tend to talk sometimes before we
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  • think.
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  • - Roma: The gift of the gab,
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  • - Brian: Coming up next.
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  • - Mark: You can't be out there
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  • as very public Christians in a
  • 00:09:22.090 --> 00:09:25.070
  • secular media world and then
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  • when someone criticizes you,
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  • start crying about it.
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  • I mean, come on, that's crazy.
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  • You know, if you don't wanna be
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  • - Brian: Okay, so, you've both
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  • had great successes.
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  • You with theater and "Touched by
  • 00:09:43.130 --> 00:09:44.240
  • An Angel" obviously was a huge
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  • hit, as Mark already mentioned.
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  • And you in everything that you
  • 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:49.250
  • are doing and have done.
  • 00:09:49.250 --> 00:09:52.020
  • So, what about disappointments?
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  • - Mark: I've already forgotten
  • 00:09:53.270 --> 00:09:55.010
  • it in about 30 seconds.
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  • - Brian: You move on?
  • 00:09:56.210 --> 00:09:57.290
  • - Mark: I can't dwell in that.
  • 00:09:57.290 --> 00:10:00.020
  • I'm smart enough to learn what I
  • 00:10:00.020 --> 00:10:03.020
  • could have adjusted maybe, but
  • 00:10:03.020 --> 00:10:04.280
  • that's productive thinking.
  • 00:10:04.280 --> 00:10:06.200
  • And also, personally, in a
  • 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:09.130
  • leadership role, people don't
  • 00:10:09.140 --> 00:10:12.140
  • wanna see the leader sittin'
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  • around with their head in their
  • 00:10:15.190 --> 00:10:17.060
  • hands, "Oh, I made a bad
  • 00:10:17.060 --> 00:10:18.270
  • decision on that march."
  • 00:10:18.270 --> 00:10:21.000
  • They just wanna hear, "Okay,
  • 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:22.070
  • that didn't work out, but it's
  • 00:10:22.070 --> 00:10:23.080
  • gonna be great today 'cause
  • 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:24.120
  • today we're goin' in another
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  • direction."
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  • - Brian: Yeah, that's a great
  • 00:10:26.150 --> 00:10:27.220
  • quality.
  • 00:10:27.220 --> 00:10:28.200
  • I guess not everyone has that
  • 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:29.240
  • quality.
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  • But the ability to not regret,
  • 00:10:30.260 --> 00:10:32.050
  • not look back, just look
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  • forward.
  • 00:10:33.070 --> 00:10:34.110
  • - Mark: But you know, we have a
  • 00:10:34.110 --> 00:10:35.070
  • great thing though, and you can
  • 00:10:35.070 --> 00:10:36.050
  • finish my sentence.
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  • Don't cry over--
  • 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:38.260
  • - Roma: Spilt milk.
  • 00:10:38.260 --> 00:10:40.070
  • - Mark: That's right.
  • 00:10:40.070 --> 00:10:41.150
  • It's like, that really is our
  • 00:10:41.150 --> 00:10:44.000
  • upbringing, right?
  • 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:45.020
  • - Brian: The same thing was
  • 00:10:45.020 --> 00:10:45.250
  • ringin' in my ears.
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  • - Roma: Yeah, yeah, but you
  • 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:48.080
  • know, those old adages like
  • 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.100
  • that, when something, you know,
  • 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:52.180
  • when the milk does spill, it
  • 00:10:52.180 --> 00:10:54.090
  • sticks with you, those little
  • 00:10:54.090 --> 00:10:55.200
  • anchoring moments of, you know?
  • 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:57.220
  • 'Cause what is your option,
  • 00:10:57.220 --> 00:10:59.110
  • really?
  • 00:10:59.110 --> 00:11:00.040
  • - Mark: Clean it up.
  • 00:11:00.040 --> 00:11:01.070
  • - Roma: That you, yeah, you get
  • 00:11:01.070 --> 00:11:02.030
  • down, you mop it up and you keep
  • 00:11:02.030 --> 00:11:03.010
  • on trucking, so.
  • 00:11:03.010 --> 00:11:04.170
  • - Brian: I think I'm talking to
  • 00:11:04.170 --> 00:11:05.180
  • two, obviously, very highly
  • 00:11:05.180 --> 00:11:06.230
  • successful people.
  • 00:11:06.230 --> 00:11:08.120
  • And so people, I think, they
  • 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:09.270
  • respect our wins and our
  • 00:11:09.270 --> 00:11:11.210
  • successes, but I think that
  • 00:11:11.210 --> 00:11:13.240
  • people often identify with some
  • 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:16.150
  • of the challenge, some of the
  • 00:11:16.150 --> 00:11:17.190
  • tough times, because that's
  • 00:11:17.190 --> 00:11:18.200
  • where people are living their
  • 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:19.170
  • lives often.
  • 00:11:19.170 --> 00:11:20.220
  • - Mark: It is up to you the way
  • 00:11:20.220 --> 00:11:22.010
  • you interpret the things that
  • 00:11:22.010 --> 00:11:24.250
  • happen.
  • 00:11:24.250 --> 00:11:26.010
  • It's like you, then you turn it
  • 00:11:26.010 --> 00:11:27.040
  • biblically.
  • 00:11:27.040 --> 00:11:28.130
  • And obviously, you know, with
  • 00:11:28.130 --> 00:11:30.120
  • Jesus saying, you know, "Is
  • 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:34.000
  • worrying gonna add 1 day to your
  • 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.120
  • life?"
  • 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:38.290
  • I mean, really?
  • 00:11:38.290 --> 00:11:40.010
  • And when you think about that,
  • 00:11:40.010 --> 00:11:41.050
  • it's really not.
  • 00:11:41.050 --> 00:11:42.080
  • And so, also, in the same part,
  • 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.130
  • I think, of Matthew, Jesus, you
  • 00:11:44.130 --> 00:11:46.090
  • know, referred to, you know,
  • 00:11:46.090 --> 00:11:48.190
  • "Focus on today."
  • 00:11:48.190 --> 00:11:50.060
  • You know, "Tomorrow might not
  • 00:11:50.060 --> 00:11:52.060
  • even come.
  • 00:11:52.060 --> 00:11:53.130
  • Focus on today."
  • 00:11:53.130 --> 00:11:54.290
  • It's easier said than done,
  • 00:11:54.290 --> 00:11:56.240
  • obviously.
  • 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:58.000
  • But it's the same philosophy, I
  • 00:11:58.000 --> 00:11:59.200
  • think, as, "Don't cry over spilt
  • 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:00.240
  • milk," you know?
  • 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:02.180
  • And we, listen, we're human
  • 00:12:02.180 --> 00:12:04.070
  • beings.
  • 00:12:04.070 --> 00:12:04.260
  • We do have worries and stuff.
  • 00:12:04.260 --> 00:12:06.060
  • But there's a perspective on it.
  • 00:12:06.060 --> 00:12:08.170
  • - Roma: You know, when you're
  • 00:12:08.170 --> 00:12:09.070
  • in the middle of something and
  • 00:12:09.070 --> 00:12:11.110
  • you've have an upset or you're,
  • 00:12:11.110 --> 00:12:13.100
  • you know, there's--it's easy to
  • 00:12:13.100 --> 00:12:15.090
  • feel the overwhelm of that.
  • 00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:17.110
  • And I find, personally, that
  • 00:12:17.110 --> 00:12:19.060
  • being in nature, it's one of the
  • 00:12:19.060 --> 00:12:21.050
  • reasons we love living next to
  • 00:12:21.050 --> 00:12:23.010
  • the ocean.
  • 00:12:23.010 --> 00:12:24.050
  • 'Cause literally, there's
  • 00:12:24.050 --> 00:12:25.070
  • something about the scale of
  • 00:12:25.070 --> 00:12:27.060
  • being next to the sea, the
  • 00:12:27.060 --> 00:12:29.010
  • magnificence of the space, and
  • 00:12:29.010 --> 00:12:31.100
  • the timeliness of it that
  • 00:12:31.100 --> 00:12:33.110
  • whatever it is that is your
  • 00:12:33.110 --> 00:12:35.120
  • particular issue in that moment
  • 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.180
  • suddenly seems very small in the
  • 00:12:37.180 --> 00:12:40.010
  • grand scheme of things.
  • 00:12:40.010 --> 00:12:41.210
  • And it's like, if you can get
  • 00:12:41.210 --> 00:12:43.040
  • that point of view and stuff.
  • 00:12:43.040 --> 00:12:45.290
  • - Brian: Yeah, so one of your
  • 00:12:45.290 --> 00:12:47.090
  • children went through a very big
  • 00:12:47.090 --> 00:12:48.170
  • health crisis not so long ago.
  • 00:12:48.170 --> 00:12:51.140
  • Was that one of the most
  • 00:12:51.140 --> 00:12:52.220
  • difficult times of your lives?
  • 00:12:52.220 --> 00:12:54.080
  • - Mark: Yeah, the most
  • 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:56.000
  • difficult time.
  • 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.000
  • It's one thing if it's happening
  • 00:12:58.000 --> 00:12:59.000
  • to you, or something nonsense,
  • 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.140
  • like about a TV show or
  • 00:13:01.140 --> 00:13:02.230
  • something, which really, in the
  • 00:13:02.230 --> 00:13:03.240
  • scale of life, your kid being
  • 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:05.170
  • sick?
  • 00:13:05.170 --> 00:13:06.280
  • You'd give yourself in a second
  • 00:13:06.280 --> 00:13:08.180
  • and put yourself in their place.
  • 00:13:08.180 --> 00:13:10.190
  • You see, something like that,
  • 00:13:10.190 --> 00:13:11.270
  • like a very serious illness for
  • 00:13:11.270 --> 00:13:14.090
  • a child, you don't have a
  • 00:13:14.090 --> 00:13:16.020
  • solution.
  • 00:13:16.020 --> 00:13:17.210
  • You're not doctors.
  • 00:13:17.210 --> 00:13:19.110
  • Except there is a solution, it's
  • 00:13:19.110 --> 00:13:21.270
  • faith and asking God, and
  • 00:13:24.160 --> 00:13:27.160
  • handing it over to God.
  • 00:13:27.160 --> 00:13:29.020
  • In the case of us and our son,
  • 00:13:30.210 --> 00:13:33.210
  • God answered those prayers.
  • 00:13:33.210 --> 00:13:36.070
  • And our son, while the doctors
  • 00:13:36.070 --> 00:13:38.160
  • said he would not leave
  • 00:13:38.160 --> 00:13:40.130
  • hospital, walked out, you know?
  • 00:13:40.130 --> 00:13:43.110
  • And to this day, certain doctors
  • 00:13:43.110 --> 00:13:45.010
  • are like, "Wow, I've never seen
  • 00:13:45.010 --> 00:13:46.210
  • a recovery like that."
  • 00:13:46.210 --> 00:13:48.250
  • - Brian: So it was a miracle?
  • 00:13:48.250 --> 00:13:50.150
  • - Mark: Yes, it's totally a
  • 00:13:50.150 --> 00:13:51.180
  • miracle.
  • 00:13:51.180 --> 00:13:52.180
  • It's the interesting thing, a
  • 00:13:52.180 --> 00:13:53.190
  • friend of ours is also a friend
  • 00:13:53.190 --> 00:13:54.130
  • of yours.
  • 00:13:54.130 --> 00:13:55.140
  • Rick Warren came to visit us.
  • 00:13:55.140 --> 00:13:57.230
  • - Roma: Rick and Kay did.
  • 00:13:57.230 --> 00:13:59.030
  • - Mark: Yeah, sorry, Rick and
  • 00:13:59.030 --> 00:14:00.130
  • Kay both came to the hospital.
  • 00:14:00.130 --> 00:14:02.080
  • And Rick walked up to me and
  • 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:04.130
  • said, "He's gonna be okay."
  • 00:14:04.130 --> 00:14:07.030
  • I said, "Thank you," and I was
  • 00:14:07.030 --> 00:14:08.170
  • just thinking in terms of faith.
  • 00:14:08.170 --> 00:14:09.210
  • He said, "No, no, really, he's
  • 00:14:09.210 --> 00:14:11.180
  • in the same hospital bed as our
  • 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.080
  • daughter-in-law who had a
  • 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:18.030
  • similar surgery, and the--"
  • 00:14:18.030 --> 00:14:20.210
  • - Roma: Seven years ago to the
  • 00:14:20.210 --> 00:14:22.040
  • day, to the day, they were
  • 00:14:22.040 --> 00:14:24.200
  • in--they said this was the same
  • 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.100
  • facility.
  • 00:14:26.100 --> 00:14:27.170
  • And then when they came into the
  • 00:14:27.170 --> 00:14:29.030
  • ward, to the room, the actual
  • 00:14:29.030 --> 00:14:31.240
  • room, they said, "This is the
  • 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.000
  • same room."
  • 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:34.180
  • It's like, what are the chances
  • 00:14:34.180 --> 00:14:35.180
  • of that?
  • 00:14:35.180 --> 00:14:37.040
  • - Mark: And so, Rick said, "You
  • 00:14:37.040 --> 00:14:39.000
  • imagine how much prayer is on
  • 00:14:39.020 --> 00:14:42.020
  • this room, on this bed.
  • 00:14:42.020 --> 00:14:44.250
  • It's all gonna be fine."
  • 00:14:44.250 --> 00:14:47.020
  • That's an amazing thing to hear.
  • 00:14:47.020 --> 00:14:48.170
  • - Brian: It is, praise God for
  • 00:14:48.170 --> 00:14:49.190
  • it.
  • 00:14:49.190 --> 00:14:50.200
  • - Roma: Yeah, anyway it had
  • 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.000
  • brought us to our knees as a
  • 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:53.110
  • family.
  • 00:14:53.110 --> 00:14:54.170
  • And we had been filming at the
  • 00:14:54.170 --> 00:14:56.010
  • time overseas when our son got
  • 00:14:56.010 --> 00:14:58.240
  • so sick, and you can't help but
  • 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.110
  • think sometimes--you know, we
  • 00:15:01.110 --> 00:15:03.110
  • were creating a biblical-based
  • 00:15:03.160 --> 00:15:06.160
  • series called "A.D."
  • 00:15:06.160 --> 00:15:09.100
  • It's about the book of Acts.
  • 00:15:09.100 --> 00:15:10.290
  • And you can't help but feel that
  • 00:15:10.290 --> 00:15:13.070
  • there was, you know, the forces
  • 00:15:13.070 --> 00:15:15.260
  • working against us.
  • 00:15:15.260 --> 00:15:17.170
  • So, we were just so grateful
  • 00:15:17.170 --> 00:15:18.240
  • that it all worked out the way
  • 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.190
  • that it did.
  • 00:15:21.190 --> 00:15:23.060
  • - Brian: So, one thing that is
  • 00:15:23.060 --> 00:15:24.130
  • very clear.
  • 00:15:24.130 --> 00:15:25.160
  • You're both people of faith.
  • 00:15:25.160 --> 00:15:27.070
  • You love the Lord Jesus,
  • 00:15:27.070 --> 00:15:28.270
  • basically, and it's evident that
  • 00:15:28.270 --> 00:15:30.200
  • you live in a world and function
  • 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:32.120
  • and act in a world where Jesus
  • 00:15:33.060 --> 00:15:36.060
  • hasn't always been vogue.
  • 00:15:36.060 --> 00:15:37.280
  • So, how does that work?
  • 00:15:37.280 --> 00:15:40.220
  • - Mark: Well, you know, it was
  • 00:15:40.220 --> 00:15:43.030
  • said sometimes, "Oh, that's
  • 00:15:43.030 --> 00:15:44.200
  • gonna really inhibit your
  • 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:46.150
  • careers because maybe certain
  • 00:15:46.230 --> 00:15:49.230
  • people won't like the constant
  • 00:15:49.230 --> 00:15:52.120
  • Jesus, Christianity, being on
  • 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:54.190
  • the lips of influential media
  • 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.000
  • people."
  • 00:15:58.000 --> 00:15:59.110
  • In fact, the opposite happened.
  • 00:15:59.210 --> 00:16:02.230
  • And in fact, our shows got
  • 00:16:03.150 --> 00:16:06.150
  • renewed.
  • 00:16:06.150 --> 00:16:07.280
  • Our careers became more
  • 00:16:07.280 --> 00:16:10.000
  • abundant.
  • 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.200
  • And therefore, it's absolutely
  • 00:16:12.210 --> 00:16:15.210
  • part of God's plan that we
  • 00:16:15.210 --> 00:16:18.210
  • should have been brought to
  • 00:16:18.210 --> 00:16:21.110
  • making the Bible series by being
  • 00:16:22.050 --> 00:16:25.050
  • so public with our faith, of
  • 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.120
  • doing a great job on the Bible
  • 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:30.180
  • series so that, in fact, it
  • 00:16:31.030 --> 00:16:34.030
  • received 100 million viewers in
  • 00:16:34.030 --> 00:16:36.260
  • America.
  • 00:16:36.260 --> 00:16:38.140
  • - Roma: You know, when we first
  • 00:16:38.140 --> 00:16:40.100
  • decided to bring the Bible to
  • 00:16:40.130 --> 00:16:43.130
  • television, it began as a kind
  • 00:16:43.160 --> 00:16:46.160
  • of a whisper in our hearts that
  • 00:16:46.170 --> 00:16:49.170
  • became, you know, a roar in our
  • 00:16:49.170 --> 00:16:51.250
  • lives.
  • 00:16:51.250 --> 00:16:53.020
  • Because we, you know, if there's
  • 00:16:53.020 --> 00:16:55.150
  • a hunger and there's an
  • 00:16:55.150 --> 00:16:57.000
  • underserved audience, which I
  • 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.100
  • believe there is, an audience
  • 00:16:59.100 --> 00:17:00.150
  • really in America, at least,
  • 00:17:00.150 --> 00:17:02.190
  • that, you know, that wants this
  • 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:05.240
  • kind of storytelling.
  • 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:09.200
  • It's been, you know, a joy for
  • 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:10.290
  • us the last few years to be able
  • 00:17:10.290 --> 00:17:12.140
  • to bring life to these stories.
  • 00:17:12.140 --> 00:17:14.290
  • We bring very different skill
  • 00:17:15.030 --> 00:17:18.030
  • sets, but we're both
  • 00:17:18.030 --> 00:17:19.190
  • storytellers, I think.
  • 00:17:19.190 --> 00:17:22.050
  • And you know, and much of what
  • 00:17:22.050 --> 00:17:24.260
  • we do, sometimes it requires,
  • 00:17:24.260 --> 00:17:27.180
  • you know, a more forceful
  • 00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:29.080
  • kicking in of the door.
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  • - Mark: That would be me.
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  • - Roma: If you need a door
  • 00:17:32.190 --> 00:17:33.190
  • kicked in, there's no better man
  • 00:17:33.190 --> 00:17:34.230
  • to kick it in than my husband.
  • 00:17:34.230 --> 00:17:36.100
  • But sometimes it's, you know,
  • 00:17:36.100 --> 00:17:38.070
  • it's a gentle knock on the door
  • 00:17:38.070 --> 00:17:39.270
  • that's required to open it.
  • 00:17:39.270 --> 00:17:41.230
  • And so I think I'm able to bring
  • 00:17:41.230 --> 00:17:44.000
  • that to the partnership.
  • 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.220
  • - Mark: We live and operate in
  • 00:17:45.220 --> 00:17:47.070
  • a very secular world.
  • 00:17:47.070 --> 00:17:48.180
  • I mean, we have a large business
  • 00:17:48.180 --> 00:17:51.120
  • which makes many, many TV shows
  • 00:17:51.120 --> 00:17:53.140
  • which aren't faith shows.
  • 00:17:53.140 --> 00:17:55.150
  • You know, and that's fine.
  • 00:17:55.150 --> 00:17:57.260
  • And you know, there's a way to
  • 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:01.180
  • promote love and faith without
  • 00:18:01.180 --> 00:18:03.180
  • tearing down others.
  • 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:04.290
  • And it coexists in that world of
  • 00:18:04.290 --> 00:18:07.040
  • a secular world.
  • 00:18:07.040 --> 00:18:08.120
  • And that's one thing I think
  • 00:18:08.120 --> 00:18:09.110
  • we've done, and Roma's very
  • 00:18:09.110 --> 00:18:10.160
  • elegant at that, of coexisting.
  • 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.080
  • Yeah, of course, you know, you
  • 00:18:13.080 --> 00:18:15.060
  • can't please all people.
  • 00:18:15.060 --> 00:18:17.150
  • And people are very, very quick
  • 00:18:17.150 --> 00:18:19.260
  • in the Christian community to
  • 00:18:19.260 --> 00:18:22.100
  • fire arrows, very quick, you
  • 00:18:22.100 --> 00:18:24.050
  • know?
  • 00:18:24.050 --> 00:18:25.080
  • - Brian: Do you sometimes even
  • 00:18:25.080 --> 00:18:26.080
  • more from the Christian
  • 00:18:26.080 --> 00:18:27.070
  • community from others?
  • 00:18:27.070 --> 00:18:28.180
  • - Mark: Yeah, you can't be out
  • 00:18:28.180 --> 00:18:29.230
  • there as very public Christians
  • 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.000
  • in a secular media world and
  • 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.130
  • then when someone criticizes
  • 00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:36.230
  • you, start crying about it.
  • 00:18:36.230 --> 00:18:38.200
  • I mean, come on, that's crazy.
  • 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:40.090
  • You know, if you don't wanna be
  • 00:18:40.090 --> 00:18:41.100
  • criticized, don't do anything.
  • 00:18:41.100 --> 00:18:43.090
  • You know, really, let's stay
  • 00:18:43.090 --> 00:18:44.040
  • home.
  • 00:18:44.040 --> 00:18:45.020
  • And if you're gonna go out of
  • 00:18:45.020 --> 00:18:46.150
  • your house and then choose to be
  • 00:18:46.150 --> 00:18:48.040
  • on TV talking about things,
  • 00:18:48.040 --> 00:18:50.130
  • clearly, certain people are
  • 00:18:50.130 --> 00:18:51.220
  • gonna be mad at you.
  • 00:18:51.220 --> 00:18:52.220
  • And on, you know, on the
  • 00:18:52.220 --> 00:18:53.280
  • Christian side, people would say
  • 00:18:53.280 --> 00:18:55.230
  • things like, on the Bible
  • 00:18:55.230 --> 00:18:56.190
  • series, "Oh, you got that
  • 00:18:56.190 --> 00:18:57.190
  • sentence wrong."
  • 00:18:57.190 --> 00:18:59.030
  • Or, "That word was said wrong."
  • 00:18:59.030 --> 00:19:00.230
  • Or, "Jesus was wearing the wrong
  • 00:19:00.230 --> 00:19:02.090
  • clothes," or whatever.
  • 00:19:02.090 --> 00:19:03.250
  • You know, I guess that some
  • 00:19:03.250 --> 00:19:05.160
  • people are just looking for
  • 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:06.250
  • issues, but the masses of people
  • 00:19:06.250 --> 00:19:08.210
  • over--
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  • - Roma: It's easy to criticize,
  • 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:10.280
  • I think.
  • 00:19:10.280 --> 00:19:11.250
  • It's easy to criticize, right?
  • 00:19:11.250 --> 00:19:13.010
  • - Brian: But like you say, you
  • 00:19:13.010 --> 00:19:14.000
  • had 100 million viewers of the
  • 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:15.000
  • Bible series.
  • 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:16.060
  • I mean, that's stunning.
  • 00:19:16.060 --> 00:19:17.140
  • That has never been done before.
  • 00:19:17.140 --> 00:19:20.020
  • - Roma: Well, that was all God,
  • 00:19:20.020 --> 00:19:22.080
  • of course, you know?
  • 00:19:22.080 --> 00:19:23.160
  • - Brian: I think around the
  • 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:24.140
  • world, people do have a hunger,
  • 00:19:24.140 --> 00:19:25.190
  • spiritually, some even don't
  • 00:19:25.190 --> 00:19:27.060
  • even realize they have.
  • 00:19:27.060 --> 00:19:28.150
  • - Brian: Coming up after the
  • 00:19:30.250 --> 00:19:31.270
  • break:
  • 00:19:31.270 --> 00:19:33.040
  • - Roma: But this is our watch,
  • 00:19:33.040 --> 00:19:34.130
  • you know?
  • 00:19:34.130 --> 00:19:35.010
  • And so, that this could be
  • 00:19:35.010 --> 00:19:36.170
  • happening on our watch and that
  • 00:19:36.170 --> 00:19:38.110
  • a lot of people have deaf ears
  • 00:19:39.060 --> 00:19:42.060
  • to it, it's, you know, very
  • 00:19:42.100 --> 00:19:45.100
  • - Brian: You both, obviously,
  • 00:19:52.250 --> 00:19:55.000
  • are very passionate about people
  • 00:19:55.010 --> 00:19:58.010
  • in difficult circumstances,
  • 00:19:58.010 --> 00:20:00.030
  • especially perhaps what's been
  • 00:20:00.030 --> 00:20:02.100
  • happening in the Middle East,
  • 00:20:02.100 --> 00:20:04.090
  • with huge refugee crises, and
  • 00:20:04.090 --> 00:20:06.270
  • you've been quite active in
  • 00:20:06.270 --> 00:20:08.090
  • trying to rally people towards
  • 00:20:08.090 --> 00:20:09.150
  • those causes.
  • 00:20:09.150 --> 00:20:12.100
  • Do you wanna talk about that a
  • 00:20:12.100 --> 00:20:13.110
  • little bit?
  • 00:20:13.110 --> 00:20:14.240
  • - Roma: Yes, well, you know, I,
  • 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.230
  • you know, we look overseas like
  • 00:20:16.230 --> 00:20:19.090
  • everybody else does, and the
  • 00:20:19.090 --> 00:20:20.280
  • horror of this unfolding tragedy
  • 00:20:21.250 --> 00:20:24.250
  • that just seems to get worse and
  • 00:20:24.250 --> 00:20:26.060
  • worse and worse.
  • 00:20:26.060 --> 00:20:27.100
  • And I think that we understand
  • 00:20:27.100 --> 00:20:29.240
  • that there are people everywhere
  • 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:31.160
  • who want to do something about
  • 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:33.180
  • it, but we all quite don't know
  • 00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:35.290
  • what to do, you know?
  • 00:20:35.290 --> 00:20:37.180
  • And we pray, of course, and we
  • 00:20:37.180 --> 00:20:40.160
  • have concerns about it, but we
  • 00:20:41.050 --> 00:20:44.050
  • have discovered the work of
  • 00:20:44.050 --> 00:20:46.100
  • Jeremy Courtney at Preemptive
  • 00:20:46.100 --> 00:20:48.050
  • Love.
  • 00:20:48.050 --> 00:20:49.210
  • And we see in him someone who's
  • 00:20:49.210 --> 00:20:52.130
  • shown tremendous leadership and
  • 00:20:52.130 --> 00:20:54.130
  • tremendous courage to go over
  • 00:20:54.130 --> 00:20:57.030
  • there to the front lines and to
  • 00:20:57.030 --> 00:20:59.080
  • bring food and to bring clothing
  • 00:20:59.080 --> 00:21:01.270
  • and to bring sustenance to this
  • 00:21:01.270 --> 00:21:04.160
  • abundance of families who are
  • 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:06.290
  • escaping this hell.
  • 00:21:06.290 --> 00:21:08.180
  • And so, we've just done what we
  • 00:21:08.180 --> 00:21:10.230
  • can to try to step up alongside
  • 00:21:10.230 --> 00:21:12.120
  • of him to help out over there.
  • 00:21:14.030 --> 00:21:17.030
  • But this is our watch, you know?
  • 00:21:17.030 --> 00:21:19.060
  • And so, that this could be
  • 00:21:19.060 --> 00:21:20.290
  • happening on our watch and that
  • 00:21:20.290 --> 00:21:23.000
  • a lot of people have deaf ears
  • 00:21:23.190 --> 00:21:26.190
  • to it, it's, you know, very
  • 00:21:26.250 --> 00:21:29.250
  • upsetting, isn't it?
  • 00:21:29.250 --> 00:21:31.120
  • - Brian: Yeah, the world tends
  • 00:21:31.120 --> 00:21:32.280
  • to pass by some of these things
  • 00:21:32.280 --> 00:21:34.150
  • sometimes and there's no doubt
  • 00:21:34.150 --> 00:21:36.160
  • about that that that's tragedy
  • 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.110
  • because there are people in
  • 00:21:38.110 --> 00:21:39.200
  • desperate need.
  • 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:40.250
  • And so, we also have been
  • 00:21:40.250 --> 00:21:42.060
  • getting involved with Preemptive
  • 00:21:42.060 --> 00:21:43.170
  • Love and with others also, and
  • 00:21:43.170 --> 00:21:45.040
  • bringing hope to, specifically,
  • 00:21:45.040 --> 00:21:47.250
  • right now, Syrian refugees.
  • 00:21:47.250 --> 00:21:49.290
  • - Mark: You know, it's
  • 00:21:49.290 --> 00:21:51.060
  • interesting.
  • 00:21:51.060 --> 00:21:52.150
  • We learned a big lesson from the
  • 00:21:52.150 --> 00:21:54.150
  • Iraq and Syria Christian
  • 00:21:54.150 --> 00:21:56.170
  • tragedies.
  • 00:21:56.170 --> 00:21:57.220
  • I mean, there's many tragedies
  • 00:21:57.220 --> 00:21:58.230
  • going on.
  • 00:21:58.230 --> 00:22:00.120
  • But in particular, as
  • 00:22:00.120 --> 00:22:01.140
  • Christians, looking at what
  • 00:22:01.140 --> 00:22:03.100
  • became genocide of
  • 00:22:03.100 --> 00:22:05.030
  • Christians--which Roma played a
  • 00:22:05.030 --> 00:22:06.200
  • huge role in behind the scenes
  • 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:08.170
  • of getting the United States
  • 00:22:08.170 --> 00:22:10.220
  • Congress to vote, to call it,
  • 00:22:10.220 --> 00:22:13.090
  • "Genocide."
  • 00:22:13.090 --> 00:22:15.080
  • And the fact that even had to
  • 00:22:15.080 --> 00:22:17.020
  • work hard on that was crazy in
  • 00:22:17.020 --> 00:22:18.170
  • itself 'cause it's obviously
  • 00:22:18.170 --> 00:22:19.290
  • genocide.
  • 00:22:19.290 --> 00:22:21.100
  • But you know, and we felt with
  • 00:22:21.100 --> 00:22:24.090
  • our media power we could raise
  • 00:22:24.090 --> 00:22:25.260
  • money and convince people to do
  • 00:22:25.260 --> 00:22:27.150
  • things.
  • 00:22:27.150 --> 00:22:28.260
  • And we started to realize how
  • 00:22:28.260 --> 00:22:30.070
  • little that money can actually
  • 00:22:30.070 --> 00:22:32.180
  • do.
  • 00:22:32.180 --> 00:22:34.030
  • Let's say you're dealing with 25
  • 00:22:34.030 --> 00:22:35.260
  • million, 50 million, which is a
  • 00:22:35.260 --> 00:22:37.120
  • ton of money, but actually, not
  • 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.160
  • when you're tryin' to move,
  • 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:43.110
  • like, a nation and a whole
  • 00:22:43.110 --> 00:22:44.280
  • people.
  • 00:22:44.280 --> 00:22:46.010
  • And what I've realized, I think
  • 00:22:46.010 --> 00:22:47.060
  • we've realized, the only
  • 00:22:47.060 --> 00:22:49.050
  • solution is governments.
  • 00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:52.080
  • So we can all make our moves and
  • 00:22:52.080 --> 00:22:54.090
  • take care of small groups of
  • 00:22:54.090 --> 00:22:57.050
  • people, you know, and keep doing
  • 00:22:57.050 --> 00:22:59.090
  • that.
  • 00:22:59.090 --> 00:23:00.120
  • But the real thing we can do is
  • 00:23:00.120 --> 00:23:01.220
  • convince governments.
  • 00:23:01.220 --> 00:23:04.050
  • 'Cause what you're really gonna
  • 00:23:04.050 --> 00:23:05.050
  • be dealing with is hundred of
  • 00:23:05.050 --> 00:23:07.060
  • billions in aid.
  • 00:23:07.060 --> 00:23:09.180
  • - Brian: So you're a visionary.
  • 00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:10.230
  • A lot of people would think
  • 00:23:10.230 --> 00:23:11.170
  • that's impossible.
  • 00:23:11.170 --> 00:23:12.220
  • - Mark: No, it's not
  • 00:23:12.220 --> 00:23:13.190
  • impossible.
  • 00:23:13.190 --> 00:23:14.170
  • It's not impossible.
  • 00:23:14.170 --> 00:23:15.260
  • And it's a matter of, sort of,
  • 00:23:15.260 --> 00:23:18.200
  • figuring out, which I think we
  • 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:19.290
  • have, that's the big plan.
  • 00:23:19.290 --> 00:23:22.030
  • And I don't know if I'm a
  • 00:23:22.030 --> 00:23:23.080
  • visionary, but I think I do try
  • 00:23:23.080 --> 00:23:25.120
  • to have vision.
  • 00:23:25.120 --> 00:23:26.110
  • And we talk about this sort of
  • 00:23:26.110 --> 00:23:27.040
  • stuff all the time.
  • 00:23:27.040 --> 00:23:28.110
  • And you know, people have said
  • 00:23:28.110 --> 00:23:31.060
  • the Bible would never get shown
  • 00:23:31.060 --> 00:23:33.080
  • on primetime TV.
  • 00:23:33.080 --> 00:23:35.120
  • We got that done.
  • 00:23:35.120 --> 00:23:36.210
  • And so, this is absolutely
  • 00:23:36.210 --> 00:23:38.070
  • achievable.
  • 00:23:38.070 --> 00:23:39.170
  • - Roma: Yeah, so, but that's
  • 00:23:39.170 --> 00:23:40.240
  • like a longer-term vision, hope.
  • 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.000
  • And in the meantime, there are
  • 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.150
  • little kids that need some
  • 00:23:45.150 --> 00:23:46.240
  • dinner, you know?
  • 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:48.060
  • There are little kids that need
  • 00:23:48.060 --> 00:23:49.120
  • blankets.
  • 00:23:49.120 --> 00:23:50.130
  • Like, there's immediate need and
  • 00:23:50.130 --> 00:23:52.010
  • we have to respond to that as
  • 00:23:52.010 --> 00:23:53.080
  • well.
  • 00:23:53.080 --> 00:23:54.050
  • - Brian: One person at a time.
  • 00:23:54.050 --> 00:23:55.000
  • - Roma: That's right.
  • 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:55.270
  • - Mark: That's right, that's
  • 00:23:55.270 --> 00:23:56.280
  • right.
  • 00:23:56.280 --> 00:23:57.280
  • - Brian: So, you may not know
  • 00:23:57.280 --> 00:23:58.290
  • whether you're a visionary, but
  • 00:23:58.290 --> 00:23:59.290
  • I'm telling you, you're a
  • 00:23:59.290 --> 00:24:01.020
  • visionary.
  • 00:24:01.020 --> 00:24:02.030
  • And that's why you two are
  • 00:24:02.030 --> 00:24:03.070
  • constantly coming up with new,
  • 00:24:03.070 --> 00:24:04.080
  • innovative, creative ideas of
  • 00:24:04.080 --> 00:24:05.120
  • reaching people, either doing it
  • 00:24:05.120 --> 00:24:07.110
  • in your career in the
  • 00:24:07.110 --> 00:24:09.060
  • marketplace or now,
  • 00:24:09.060 --> 00:24:10.260
  • specifically, as faith people
  • 00:24:11.070 --> 00:24:14.070
  • coming up with opportunities and
  • 00:24:14.070 --> 00:24:16.040
  • ideas for bringing people the
  • 00:24:16.040 --> 00:24:18.050
  • kind of content that really is
  • 00:24:18.050 --> 00:24:20.090
  • transformative, it's upbeat,
  • 00:24:20.090 --> 00:24:22.060
  • it's wholesome.
  • 00:24:22.060 --> 00:24:23.270
  • So I just wanna say a big
  • 00:24:23.270 --> 00:24:24.290
  • congratulations to you.
  • 00:24:24.290 --> 00:24:26.150
  • And I've got one last question.
  • 00:24:26.150 --> 00:24:28.090
  • So, for all of us, the day
  • 00:24:28.090 --> 00:24:29.260
  • comes, sooner or later, when
  • 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.000
  • it's all over here.
  • 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:34.060
  • And by God's grace, we'll meet
  • 00:24:34.060 --> 00:24:36.050
  • our maker.
  • 00:24:36.050 --> 00:24:37.190
  • So there's a tombstone and it
  • 00:24:39.020 --> 00:24:42.020
  • has on it a inscription, short
  • 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:46.160
  • inscription.
  • 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:47.280
  • What do you want it to say?
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  • - Mark: Really, "He was a great
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  • father and a great husband."
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  • And really, that's really all I
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  • need.
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  • 'Cause if I've done that right,
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  • and I think I'm doing okay so
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  • far--
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  • - Roma: I didn't know.
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  • It'd have something to do with
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  • maybe being kind, you know?
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  • It's, of all the virtues, I hold
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  • kindness, I appreciate kindness
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  • when it shows up in my life, and
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  • I live intentionally.
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  • So something around, you know,
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  • "She did her best."
  • 00:25:22.060 --> 00:25:24.030
  • - Brian: This tombstone's
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  • getting bigger.
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  • Well, finally, I get asked the
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  • question and that's exactly what
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  • I say, "He tried his best."
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  • - Roma: "He tried his best."
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  • "She did her best," yeah.
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  • - Brian: Well, look, you guys
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  • are fascinating.
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  • It's so good to know you.
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  • And thank you for this
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  • interview.
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  • And all the best for all the
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  • projects and for life ahead, God
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  • bless.
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  • - Roma: Thank you, God bless
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