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October 11, 2019
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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show

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Guest Max Lucado and Ray Comfort

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  • - MALE: HEY.
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: HEY THERE,
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  • FOLKS, THIS IS "THE ERIC
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  • METAXAS SHOW," AND I GET TO HAVE
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  • FUN CONVERSATIONS WITH
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  • FUN PEOPLE.
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  • I'M SITTING HERE IN THE STUDIO
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  • MAX, WELCOME TO NEW YORK.
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  • - MAX LUCADO: THANK YOU,
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  • THANK YOU.
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  • I LOVE SEEIN' YOU AND LOVE
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  • BEING HERE.
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  • - ERIC: WELL, I LOVE SEEING
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  • YOU, AND I LOVE WHEN YOU COME
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  • HERE, AND I REALIZE THAT YOU'RE
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  • NOT JUST HERE TO BE HERE.
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  • YOU HAVE A BRAND-NEW BOOK OUT,
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  • SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT
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  • EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE BOOK
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  • IS JUST OUT.
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  • IT'S CALLED "HOW HAPPINESS
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  • HAPPENS."
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  • AND WHO DOESN'T WANNA KNOW THAT?
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  • OKAY, WAIT, THE SUBTITLE IS
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  • "FINDING LASTING JOY IN A WORLD
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  • OF COMPARISON, DISAPPOINTMENT,
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  • AND UNMET EXPECTATIONS."
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  • WHAT IS THIS ABOUT?
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  • HOW DOES HAPPINESS HAPPEN?
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  • - MAX: WELL, I THINK WE HAVE A
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  • REAL CRISIS OF HAPPINESS.
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  • I'D LOVE TO KNOW YOUR
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  • THOUGHTS ON THIS.
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  • WHAT PROMPTED A LOT OF THE
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  • SURVEY I CAME ACROSS THAT SAID
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  • THAT ONLY ONE OUT OF THREE
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  • AMERICANS CONSIDERS THEMSELF TO
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  • THAT MEANS THAT TWO OUT OF THREE
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  • PEOPLE YOU SEE IN A RESTAURANT
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  • OR IN A SUBWAY CONSIDER
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  • THEMSELVES TO BE UNDER A CLOUD
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  • OF GRAYNESS.
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  • THEY'RE JUST NOT HAPPY.
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  • I KIND OF HAD SENSED THAT, ERIC.
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  • ACCORDING TO THIS SURVEY, OUR
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  • HAPPINESS LEVEL HAS DIMINISHED
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  • EACH YEAR OVER THE LAST, ALMOST,
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  • DECADE, AND SO THIS IS THE
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  • LOWEST OUR SOCIETY HAS EVER
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  • SCORED ON THIS HARRIS
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  • HAPPINESS INDICATOR.
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  • NOW, I KNOW THAT HAPPINESS MEANS
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  • DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT
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  • PEOPLE, BUT THAT WAS ENOUGH TO
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  • CAUSE AT LEAST THE ALARM BELLS
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  • IN MY MIND TO GO OFF, AND I JUST
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  • GOT INTERESTED IN THE WHOLE IDEA
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  • OF HAPPINESS, AND ALSO, AS A
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  • PASTOR, I GOT INTERESTED IN WHAT
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  • CAUSES PEOPLE TO BE--
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  • DOES GOD CARE THAT WE'RE
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  • HAPPY, AND IS THERE A WAY
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  • TO BE HAPPY,
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  • OR SHOULD I CARE IF
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  • I'M HAPPY OR NOT?
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  • AND IT BECAME A FUN, DEEP DIVE
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  • FOR ME.
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  • - ERIC: I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THAT
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  • GOD DOESN'T CARE IF WE'RE HAPPY.
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  • HE CARES IF WE HAVE JOY BECAUSE
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  • WE MAY GO THROUGH DIFFICULT
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  • THINGS, AND WE CAN HAVE JOY IN
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  • THE MIDST OF DIFFICULTY, BUT YOU
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  • CAN'T HAVE HAPPINESS IN THE
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  • MIDDLE OF IT.
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  • THEY'RE TWO, SORT OF,
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  • DIFFERENT THINGS.
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  • - MAX: DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE
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  • BETWEEN "JOY" AND "HAPPINESS"?
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  • - ERIC: I DO, AND THAT'S WHY I
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  • WANNA ASK YOU, DO YOU SORT OF
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  • MEAN THE SAME THING?
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  • - MAX: YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW,
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  • IT KIND OF ENDS UP ON HOW WE
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  • WANT TO USE THE WORDS, BUT I
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  • THINK YOU CAN MAKE A CASE THAT
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  • JOY IS THAT DEEP-SEATED
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  • CONTENTMENT THAT THE LINES
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  • HAVE FALLEN FOR ME IN
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  • PLEASANT PLACES.
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  • I BELIEVE THERE IS A GOOD GOD, I
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  • BELIEVE THERE IS A REASON TO BE
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  • ALIVE, AND I BELIEVE THAT
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  • SOMETHIN' MASTERFUL AND
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  • WONDERFUL AWAITS US, AND SO
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  • THERE'S A SENSE OF JOY, AND WE
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  • ROOT OURSELVES IN THAT, AND THAT
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  • HAPPINESS BEGINS TO EMERGE
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  • OUT OF THAT.
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  • HAPPINESS IS A SENSE OF
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  • WELL-BEING, AND IT IS THAT SENSE
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  • OF "I'M HAPPY IN LIFE."
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  • NOW, SOME PEOPLE
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  • PARSE THE TERMS, AND
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  • I DON'T MAKE A REAL BIG DEAL
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  • ABOUT IT IN THE BOOK.
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  • - ERIC: SO, YEAH, I JUST WANNA
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  • BE CLEAR.
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  • SO YOU'RE SORT OF
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  • CONFLATING THEM.
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  • - MAX: YEAH.
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  • - ERIC: WHEN YOU SAY,
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  • "HAPPINESS," YOU MEAN WHAT WE
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  • MIGHT MEAN WHEN WE SAY, "JOY."
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  • IT'S NOT JUST, "I'M HAPPY 'CAUSE
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  • EVERYTHING IS GOING GREAT,"
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  • BUT IT'S LIKE SOMETHING BIGGER.
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  • - MAX: IN FACT, I'M SAYING JUST
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  • THE OPPOSITE.
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  • I'M SAYING THAT TRUE HAPPINESS
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  • HAPPENS IN SPITE OF THE
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  • CIRCUMSTANCES IN OUR LIVES AND
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  • THAT THERE IS A DEEP JOY LEVEL
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  • THAT GIVES BIRTH TO A HAPPINESS
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  • THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE, BUT IT
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  • DOES NOT DEPEND UPON WHAT YOU
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  • HAVE IN THE BANK OR DRIVE
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  • WHATEVER CAR YOU HAVE IN THE
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  • GARAGE, AND IT'S KIND OF THE BIG
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  • IDEA HERE IN THERE'S A HAPPINESS
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  • THAT CAN HAPPEN AS WE BEGIN
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  • GIVING HAPPINESS TO
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  • OTHER PEOPLE.
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  • - ERIC: SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT,
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  • AS A PASTOR, I MEAN, YOU'VE
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  • WRITTEN SO MANY BOOKS.
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  • I THINK OF YOU MAINLY AS AN
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  • AUTHOR, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU'VE
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  • BEEN A PASTOR FOR ALL
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  • THESE YEARS.
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  • YOU'VE SEEN PEOPLE'S LIVES IN A
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  • WAY THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
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  • GET TO LOOK AT PEOPLE'S LIVES.
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  • DO YOU BRING THAT TO BEAR ON
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  • THIS CONVERSATION IN THE BOOK
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  • ABOUT HOW YOU ACHIEVE
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  • LASTING JOY?
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  • - MAX: THIS BOOK CAME OUT OF
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  • LESSONS THAT I'VE PREPARED
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  • FOR OUR CHURCH.
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  • ALL OF MY BOOKS, WITH JUST VERY
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  • FEW EXCEPTIONS, COME OUT OF
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  • LESSONS THAT I'VE PREPARED FOR
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  • OUR CHURCH, AND I'VE REALLY
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  • FOUND THAT TO BE, ERIC, A GOOD
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  • LITMUS TEST, YOU KNOW.
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  • IF IT WORKS ON A SUNDAY, IF IT
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  • CONNECTS WITH THE PEOPLE, THEN
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  • ODDS ARE PRETTY GOOD IT'LL WORK
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  • IN A BOOK, AND I SENSED IN OUR
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  • CONGREGATION THAT THERE WAS THIS
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  • RESTLESSNESS, THIS UNHAPPINESS.
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  • WE WERE HAVING SO MANY PEOPLE
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  • DEAL WITH DEEP, DEEP ISSUES OF
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  • SADNESS AND UNABLE TO PULL
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  • THEMSELVES UP, AND SO THAT
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  • CONTRIBUTED AS WELL.
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  • THAT WAS ANOTHER FACTOR, AND I
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  • JUST SENSED THAT-- WHAT CAN I
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  • SAY TO OUR CHURCH TO
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  • HELP PEOPLE?
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  • BUT BECAUSE-- I'LL TIP MY
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  • HAND HERE.
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  • GOD WANTS US TO BE HAPPY.
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  • I DO.
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  • I THINK HE WANTS US TO FIND JOY.
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  • I THINK HE WANTS US TO HAVE A
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  • JOY THAT'S CONTAGIOUS.
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  • I THINK THE WAY THAT SOCIETY
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  • TELLS US TO FIND THAT JOY AND
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  • AND SO I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO
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  • FIND THE DOOR THAT GOD INTENDS,
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  • BUT I DO THINK, IF WE'RE HAPPY,
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  • WE'RE HEALTHIER PHYSICALLY;
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  • WE'RE HAPPY, WE'RE
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  • HEALTHIER EMOTIONALLY.
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  • OUR RELATIONSHIPS ARE BETTER.
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  • WE EVEN MAKE MORE MONEY.
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  • WE'RE BETTER EMPLOYEES.
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  • WE TEND TO-- YOU KNOW, THE
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  • MARRIAGES ARE STRONGER.
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  • HAPPINESS HAS A WONDERFUL
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  • IMPACT ON OUR LIVES.
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  • - ERIC: WE KNOW THAT THERE HAVE
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  • BEEN INCREASED SHOOTINGS,
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  • INCREASED SUICIDES.
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  • TO ME, THERE IS NO WAY
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  • AROUND IT.
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  • IT IS A SPIRITUAL PROBLEM.
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  • YOU CAN MAKE ALL THE LAWS YOU
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  • WANT, AND SOME LAWS WE NEED
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  • CHANGED, BUT THAT'S-- THE
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  • ULTIMATE ISSUE IS MUCH DEEPER.
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  • - MAX: WE'VE GOTTA FIND THE
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  • ROOT CAUSE, DON'T WE?
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  • WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO WHAT'S
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  • REALLY DRIVING THIS, AND, YOU
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  • KNOW, YOUR OBSERVATION ABOUT
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  • SUICIDE IS JUST, I THINK, THE
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  • MOST OVERLOOKED, YET ALARMING
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  • EPIDEMIC OF OUR DAY, THE FACT
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  • THAT SUICIDES ARE UP 30%
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  • SINCE 1999.
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  • IT'S JUST STUNNING.
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  • - ERIC: WHAT?
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  • I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT.
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  • - MAX: YEAH, AND WHEN WE READ
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  • ABOUT THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE
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  • JUST CHOOSING THAT LIFE IS NOT
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  • WORTH LIVING, IT SHOULD BE
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  • ENOUGH, AND IT IS ENOUGH TO
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  • CAUSE US TO PERK UP AND SAY,
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  • "HEY, SOMETHING SIMPLY
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  • IS NOT WORKING."
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  • I KNOW, IN A BOOK CALLED
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  • "HAPPINESS," I'M NOT
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  • ADDRESSING THAT DEEP, DEEP
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  • DEPRESSION THAT PEOPLE BATTLE,
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  • OKAY?
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  • - ERIC: I WOULD ARGUE THAT
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  • THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING,
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  • IN A WAY.
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  • LIKE, WE'RE JUST TALKIN' ABOUT
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  • AVERAGE FOLKS.
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  • I MEAN, I DEAL WITH REAL
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  • DEPRESSION, AND I KNOW IT'S ONE
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  • THING TO FEEL THE BLUES, IT'S
  • 00:06:51.210 --> 00:06:53.030
  • ONE THING TO HAVE THINGS AREN'T
  • 00:06:53.030 --> 00:06:54.280
  • GOING YOUR WAY, WHATEVER.
  • 00:06:54.280 --> 00:06:55.170
  • IT'S ANOTHER THING TO BE DEALING
  • 00:06:55.170 --> 00:06:57.080
  • WITH CLINICAL DEPRESSION, SO
  • 00:06:57.080 --> 00:06:58.020
  • WE'RE TALKING, OF COURSE, JUST
  • 00:06:58.020 --> 00:06:59.260
  • ABOUT PEOPLE GOING THROUGH LIFE,
  • 00:06:59.260 --> 00:07:01.170
  • WHO DON'T HAVE CLINICAL
  • 00:07:01.170 --> 00:07:02.270
  • DEPRESSION, BUT THE PROBLEM IS
  • 00:07:02.270 --> 00:07:03.180
  • THEY MAY GO TO A DOCTOR, AND THE
  • 00:07:03.180 --> 00:07:05.000
  • DOCTORS SAY, "WELL, TAKE THIS
  • 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:05.290
  • PILL," YOU KNOW,
  • 00:07:05.290 --> 00:07:07.080
  • "THIS'LL KIND OF PEP YOU UP,"
  • 00:07:07.080 --> 00:07:08.200
  • AND WE REALIZE IT IS DEEPER.
  • 00:07:08.200 --> 00:07:10.000
  • IN MOST CASES, IT'S AN ISSUE OF
  • 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:11.170
  • "WHO AM I?"
  • 00:07:11.170 --> 00:07:13.110
  • "WHAT AM I DONNA DO WITH
  • 00:07:13.110 --> 00:07:15.060
  • MY LIFE?"
  • 00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:15.250
  • AND I DO BELIEVE-- AND THAT'S
  • 00:07:15.250 --> 00:07:17.160
  • WHY I'M GLAD YOU WROTE THE
  • 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:18.210
  • BOOK-- THAT THE ONLY WAY TO GET
  • 00:07:18.210 --> 00:07:19.240
  • THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED
  • 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:20.190
  • IS IN GOD.
  • 00:07:20.190 --> 00:07:21.200
  • OTHERWISE, WE'RE JUST DRIFTING
  • 00:07:21.200 --> 00:07:23.030
  • THOUGH THE COSMOS.
  • 00:07:23.030 --> 00:07:24.070
  • - MAX: YEAH, YEAH.
  • 00:07:24.070 --> 00:07:25.000
  • THIS BOOK IS FOR THE OTHER LARGE
  • 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.030
  • PERCENTAGE OF US WHO REALLY
  • 00:07:27.030 --> 00:07:29.180
  • DON'T THINK LIFE-- IT'S JUST
  • 00:07:29.180 --> 00:07:32.000
  • TOUGH GETTIN' ON WITH LIFE, OR
  • 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:33.030
  • JUST KIND OF SLUGGIN' IT
  • 00:07:33.030 --> 00:07:34.200
  • THROUGH IT.
  • 00:07:34.200 --> 00:07:35.240
  • IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERY DAY IS
  • 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:36.160
  • GRAY, AND SOMETHING'S
  • 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:37.260
  • NOT CLICKING.
  • 00:07:37.260 --> 00:07:38.140
  • I THINK THAT WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT
  • 00:07:38.140 --> 00:07:40.090
  • BY THE MOST SOPHISTICATED,
  • 00:07:40.090 --> 00:07:42.230
  • WELL-FUNDED, DEEP-POCKETED,
  • 00:07:42.230 --> 00:07:45.160
  • MARKETING-SAVVY ONSLAUGHT IN THE
  • 00:07:46.270 --> 00:07:49.270
  • HISTORY OF MANKIND, IN THE
  • 00:07:49.270 --> 00:07:52.010
  • HISTORY OF THE WORLD, THAT WE'RE
  • 00:07:52.010 --> 00:07:54.080
  • ALL JUST ONE PURCHASE AWAY FROM
  • 00:07:54.080 --> 00:07:56.220
  • HAPPINESS OR ONE JOB RELOCATION
  • 00:07:57.060 --> 00:08:00.080
  • AWAY FROM HAPPINESS, OR ONE
  • 00:08:00.080 --> 00:08:02.000
  • EARLY RETIREMENT AWAY
  • 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:03.140
  • FROM HAPPINESS--
  • 00:08:03.140 --> 00:08:04.040
  • - ERIC: OR ONE SPOUSE AWAY
  • 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:05.140
  • FROM HAPPINESS.
  • 00:08:05.140 --> 00:08:06.010
  • - MAX: -- ONE SPOUSE AWAY FROM
  • 00:08:06.010 --> 00:08:07.060
  • HAPPINESS IF WE COULD JUST
  • 00:08:07.060 --> 00:08:08.050
  • CHANGE OUR CIRCUMSTANCE.
  • 00:08:08.050 --> 00:08:09.170
  • WELL, THE EMBEDDED MESSAGE OF
  • 00:08:09.170 --> 00:08:12.050
  • SCRIPTURE IS THAT GOD LOVES US,
  • 00:08:12.050 --> 00:08:14.260
  • AND HE DESIRES DEEPLY THAT WE
  • 00:08:14.260 --> 00:08:16.250
  • HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM AND
  • 00:08:16.250 --> 00:08:19.050
  • THAT HAPPINESS HAPPENS NOT BY
  • 00:08:19.190 --> 00:08:22.190
  • CHANGING THESE CIRCUMSTANCES
  • 00:08:22.190 --> 00:08:23.270
  • BECAUSE, WHAT HAPPENS IS, ERIC,
  • 00:08:23.270 --> 00:08:25.290
  • WE TRY TO CHANGE 'EM, AND THAT
  • 00:08:25.290 --> 00:08:27.140
  • DOESN'T HELP US.
  • 00:08:27.140 --> 00:08:28.240
  • IT MAY HELP US FOR A WEEK OR A
  • 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.070
  • WEEKEND, BUT THEN WE'RE OFF IN
  • 00:08:30.070 --> 00:08:32.120
  • THE SAD PIT AGAIN, AND WE GET TO
  • 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:34.070
  • START TO CYCLE, AND WE CAN'T
  • 00:08:34.070 --> 00:08:35.240
  • FIGURE IT OUT, AND THAT CREATES
  • 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.120
  • CYNICISM AND DESPAIR AND ANGER,
  • 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.250
  • AND I THINK NOW WE'RE GETTING
  • 00:08:39.250 --> 00:08:41.280
  • BACK TO SOME OF THE ROOT CAUSES,
  • 00:08:41.280 --> 00:08:43.090
  • AND SO, IF WE CAN UNDERSTAND
  • 00:08:43.090 --> 00:08:46.040
  • THAT THE JOY THAT GOD OFFERS
  • 00:08:46.040 --> 00:08:48.080
  • BEGINS WITH A HEALTHY
  • 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.110
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR MAKER AND
  • 00:08:50.110 --> 00:08:52.010
  • A PROPER UNDERSTANDING OF OUR
  • 00:08:52.010 --> 00:08:54.090
  • WORLD, WHY WE'RE HERE AND THE
  • 00:08:54.090 --> 00:08:55.280
  • WORLDVIEW THAT HE TEACHES, THEN
  • 00:08:55.280 --> 00:08:57.120
  • WE'RE IN A POSITION TO BEGIN
  • 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:58.170
  • DOING WHAT I LOVE TO TALK ABOUT
  • 00:08:58.170 --> 00:09:01.010
  • IN THIS BOOK, AND THAT'S GIVING
  • 00:09:01.010 --> 00:09:02.160
  • HAPPINESS AWAY BECAUSE THAT'S
  • 00:09:02.160 --> 00:09:04.040
  • WHERE HAPPINESS-- WHEN WE BECOME
  • 00:09:04.040 --> 00:09:05.140
  • HAPPINESS GIVERS, THAT'S WHEN WE
  • 00:09:05.140 --> 00:09:07.120
  • BEGIN TO REALLY DISCOVER
  • 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:08.180
  • HAPPINESS FOR OURSELVES.
  • 00:09:08.180 --> 00:09:10.090
  • - ERIC: I WAS GONNA SAY IT
  • 00:09:10.090 --> 00:09:10.290
  • FEEDS ON ITSELF, DOESN'T IT?
  • 00:09:10.290 --> 00:09:12.040
  • - MAX: IT DOES, DOESN'T IT?
  • 00:09:12.040 --> 00:09:13.190
  • - ERIC: IT'S AMAZING HOW
  • 00:09:13.190 --> 00:09:14.280
  • THAT WORKS.
  • 00:09:14.280 --> 00:09:15.290
  • SO TALK TO US.
  • 00:09:15.290 --> 00:09:16.130
  • TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE
  • 00:09:16.130 --> 00:09:17.040
  • DISCOVERED ON THIS HUGE ISSUE
  • 00:09:17.040 --> 00:09:17.250
  • LET'S SEE IF WE CAN ACCEPT THIS
  • 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:24.160
  • IDEA THAT GOD DOES DESIRE THAT
  • 00:09:24.160 --> 00:09:25.070
  • WE BE GENUINELY AND
  • 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.240
  • FUNDAMENTALLY HAPPY PEOPLE
  • 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.010
  • BECAUSE IT'S GOOD FOR US, IT'S
  • 00:09:31.010 --> 00:09:31.240
  • IT'S BETTER FOR OUR FAMILIES,
  • 00:09:34.010 --> 00:09:34.220
  • ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE.
  • 00:09:34.220 --> 00:09:35.110
  • BUT HOW DO WE FIND
  • 00:09:35.110 --> 00:09:36.050
  • THAT HAPPINESS?
  • 00:09:36.050 --> 00:09:36.260
  • WELL, THE WRONG WAY IS WHAT
  • 00:09:36.260 --> 00:09:39.040
  • SOCIETY SAYS TO US, AND THAT IS,
  • 00:09:39.040 --> 00:09:42.000
  • "IF YOU'LL ACQUIRE MORE, RETIRE
  • 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.090
  • EARLY, ASPIRE TO SOMETHING
  • 00:09:44.090 --> 00:09:46.020
  • GREATER, THAN SOMETHING GOOD IS
  • 00:09:46.020 --> 00:09:47.110
  • GONNA HAPPEN, AND YOU'LL BE THE
  • 00:09:47.110 --> 00:09:48.070
  • HAPPIEST PERSON WHO'S
  • 00:09:48.070 --> 00:09:49.150
  • EVER LIVED."
  • 00:09:49.150 --> 00:09:50.030
  • AGAIN, THE CHALLENGE IN
  • 00:09:50.030 --> 00:09:51.110
  • THAT IS THAT IT CREATES THIS
  • 00:09:51.110 --> 00:09:52.180
  • CYCLE OF ATTEMPTING IT AND
  • 00:09:52.180 --> 00:09:54.110
  • FAILING, ATTEMPTING IT AND
  • 00:09:54.110 --> 00:09:56.090
  • DEFEAT, ATTEMPTING IT AND
  • 00:09:56.090 --> 00:09:57.080
  • FAILING, AND WE BECOME CYNICAL
  • 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:59.030
  • PEOPLE IN THE END.
  • 00:09:59.030 --> 00:10:00.220
  • THEN WHAT IS THE
  • 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:04.000
  • BETTER APPROACH?
  • 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:04.240
  • WELL, WHAT I GOT EXCITED ABOUT
  • 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.150
  • WHEN I WAS TALKING TO OUR CHURCH
  • 00:10:06.150 --> 00:10:08.290
  • ABOUT HAPPINESS IS THE SIMPLE
  • 00:10:08.290 --> 00:10:10.170
  • STATEMENT THAT JESUS GAVE, AND
  • 00:10:10.170 --> 00:10:12.000
  • THAT IS "IT'S MORE BLESSED TO
  • 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:13.100
  • GIVE THAN RECEIVE."
  • 00:10:13.100 --> 00:10:14.290
  • YOU TALK ABOUT A
  • 00:10:14.290 --> 00:10:16.230
  • COUNTERCULTURAL STATEMENT
  • 00:10:16.230 --> 00:10:18.120
  • THAT IT REALLY IS BETTER
  • 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:19.280
  • FOR YOU WHEN YOU'RE
  • 00:10:19.280 --> 00:10:21.000
  • GIVING THAN RECEIVING.
  • 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:21.270
  • SO WE TOOK THE "ONE ANOTHER"
  • 00:10:21.270 --> 00:10:24.020
  • VERSES IN THE BIBLE, ERIC,
  • 00:10:24.020 --> 00:10:25.060
  • YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:10:25.060 --> 00:10:26.100
  • "LOVE ONE ANOTHER,"
  • 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:27.100
  • "ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER,"
  • 00:10:27.100 --> 00:10:28.130
  • "BUILD ONE ANOTHER UP,"
  • 00:10:28.130 --> 00:10:30.010
  • "SERVE ONE ANOTHER,"
  • 00:10:30.010 --> 00:10:30.240
  • "PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER."
  • 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:31.180
  • THERE'S 59 OF THEM IN ALL.
  • 00:10:31.180 --> 00:10:33.030
  • WE DIDN'T STUDY ALL OF 'EM, BUT
  • 00:10:33.030 --> 00:10:34.250
  • WE STUDIED A GOOD DOZEN OF 'EM
  • 00:10:34.250 --> 00:10:36.080
  • AND BEGAN TO SEE WHAT IF WE SAW
  • 00:10:36.220 --> 00:10:39.220
  • THAT AS A PATHWAY TO HAPPINESS,
  • 00:10:39.220 --> 00:10:41.090
  • HAVING UNDERSTOOD WHO WE ARE,
  • 00:10:41.090 --> 00:10:43.290
  • RECEIVED OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH
  • 00:10:43.290 --> 00:10:46.010
  • GOD, NOW WE SEEK TO GIVE
  • 00:10:46.010 --> 00:10:47.120
  • HAPPINESS AWAY?
  • 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.100
  • AND WHAT WE DISCOVERED IS
  • 00:10:49.100 --> 00:10:51.120
  • EXACTLY WHAT JESUS SAID, AND
  • 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:52.250
  • THAT IS, REALLY, HAPPINESS DOES
  • 00:10:52.250 --> 00:10:53.240
  • HAVE A BOOMERANG EFFECT THAT WE
  • 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:55.100
  • BECOME HAPPIER PEOPLE WHEN OUR
  • 00:10:57.140 --> 00:11:00.160
  • MIND IS OFF OF OURSELVES, AND WE
  • 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:01.080
  • WAKE UP AND SAY,
  • 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:02.010
  • "MY GOAL TODAY IS TO ADD
  • 00:11:02.010 --> 00:11:03.070
  • VALUE TO YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:11:03.070 --> 00:11:04.090
  • WHAT CAN I DO?
  • 00:11:04.090 --> 00:11:05.070
  • HOW CAN I HELP?
  • 00:11:05.070 --> 00:11:05.290
  • HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN I
  • 00:11:05.290 --> 00:11:06.270
  • HELP TODAY?"
  • 00:11:06.270 --> 00:11:07.150
  • AND IT BECOMES, REALLY, LIKE,
  • 00:11:07.150 --> 00:11:09.210
  • ALMOST A SECRET SAUCE
  • 00:11:09.210 --> 00:11:11.160
  • TO HAPPINESS
  • 00:11:11.160 --> 00:11:12.280
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT IS, AND I
  • 00:11:12.280 --> 00:11:14.080
  • THINK, YOU KNOW, TO GO EVEN
  • 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:15.260
  • DEEPER, WHEN YOU THINK-- TO ME,
  • 00:11:15.260 --> 00:11:17.070
  • THE HEART OF THE GOSPEL IS THIS
  • 00:11:17.070 --> 00:11:19.030
  • IDEA THAT I CAN'T POSSIBLY LOVE
  • 00:11:19.030 --> 00:11:21.120
  • PEOPLE OUT OF MY OWN STRENGTH OR
  • 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:24.070
  • MY OWN ABILITY TO LOVE, BUT IF
  • 00:11:24.070 --> 00:11:26.090
  • GOD LOVES ME AND POURS HIS
  • 00:11:26.170 --> 00:11:29.170
  • INFINITE LOVE INTO ME, I NOW
  • 00:11:29.170 --> 00:11:31.220
  • HAVE ALL THE MONEY I CAN SPEND.
  • 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:34.240
  • I CAN SHARE BECAUSE I DON'T RUN
  • 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:37.080
  • OUT BECAUSE THE SOURCE OF IT IS
  • 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.200
  • FROM GOD, BUT IF I'M TRYIN' TO
  • 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:41.010
  • DO IT IN MY OWN STRENGTH,
  • 00:11:41.010 --> 00:11:41.240
  • GOOD LUCK.
  • 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:43.040
  • I CAN'T.
  • 00:11:43.040 --> 00:11:44.030
  • AND SO AT THE HEART OF IT IS
  • 00:11:44.030 --> 00:11:46.070
  • THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ONE
  • 00:11:46.070 --> 00:11:48.000
  • WHO LOVES US.
  • 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:48.280
  • WE HAVE TO FIND A PLACE TO
  • 00:11:48.280 --> 00:11:50.170
  • RECEIVE HIS LOVE SO THAT WE HAVE
  • 00:11:50.170 --> 00:11:53.090
  • IT TO GIVE AWAY.
  • 00:11:53.090 --> 00:11:55.250
  • AND THE REASON THAT IT MATTERS
  • 00:11:55.250 --> 00:11:57.130
  • SO MUCH, WHAT WE UNDERSTAND
  • 00:11:57.130 --> 00:11:59.120
  • ABOUT GOD, IS BECAUSE THAT
  • 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:01.090
  • IMPACTS WHAT WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT
  • 00:12:01.090 --> 00:12:03.230
  • PEOPLE BECAUSE, IF I HAVE NO
  • 00:12:03.230 --> 00:12:06.040
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, THEN I'M
  • 00:12:06.040 --> 00:12:08.050
  • GOING TO VIEW PEOPLE AS
  • 00:12:10.010 --> 00:12:13.010
  • COMMODITIES THAT EXIST TO HELP
  • 00:12:13.010 --> 00:12:13.220
  • ME BE WHAT I WANNA BE, BUT IF I
  • 00:12:13.220 --> 00:12:16.050
  • EMBRACE THAT GOD IS ON THE
  • 00:12:16.050 --> 00:12:17.200
  • THRONE AND HE DOES WHAT HE
  • 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:18.140
  • PLEASES, THEN OUT OF RESPECT AND
  • 00:12:18.140 --> 00:12:20.050
  • LOVE AND APPRECIATION FOR HIM,
  • 00:12:20.050 --> 00:12:21.260
  • I'M GONNA TRY TO SEE PEOPLE NO
  • 00:12:21.260 --> 00:12:23.110
  • LONGER AS JUST, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:12:23.110 --> 00:12:25.080
  • FUNCTIONARIES IN A GROCERY STORE
  • 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:27.010
  • OR PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO DRIVE A
  • 00:12:27.010 --> 00:12:29.130
  • CAR THAT'S TAKING ME FROM POINT
  • 00:12:29.130 --> 00:12:31.230
  • A TO POINT B, BUT THEY'RE
  • 00:12:31.230 --> 00:12:32.120
  • HUMAN BEINGS.
  • 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:33.260
  • THEY WERE CHOSEN BY GOD, THEY'RE
  • 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:37.290
  • DESTINED BY GOD, AND IT GETS
  • 00:12:37.290 --> 00:12:38.190
  • MY-- IT CHANGES MY ENTIRE VIEW
  • 00:12:38.190 --> 00:12:40.050
  • OF THEM, AND THEY BECOME A
  • 00:12:40.050 --> 00:12:41.040
  • SOURCE OF HAPPINESS INSTEAD OF A
  • 00:12:41.040 --> 00:12:43.060
  • - ERIC: THIS IS NOT A
  • 00:12:45.250 --> 00:12:46.120
  • PHILOSOPHY THAT WORKS FOR
  • 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:47.010
  • MAX LUCADO AND ERIC METAXAS.
  • 00:12:47.010 --> 00:12:47.290
  • WE KNOW THIS IS TRUE.
  • 00:12:47.290 --> 00:12:48.280
  • SCIENCE IS BACKIN' IT UP MORE
  • 00:12:48.280 --> 00:12:49.190
  • AND MORE.
  • 00:12:50.060 --> 00:12:53.060
  • MAX, THANKS FOR WRITIN'
  • 00:12:53.060 --> 00:12:53.240
  • THIS BOOK.
  • 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:54.090
  • - MAX: ERIC, YOU'RE THE BEST.
  • 00:12:54.090 --> 00:12:55.140
  • - ERIC: THANKS FOR BEING
  • 00:12:55.140 --> 00:12:56.030
  • OUR GUEST.
  • 00:12:56.030 --> 00:12:56.140
  • "HOW HAPPINESS HAPPENS" IS
  • 00:12:56.140 --> 00:12:57.050
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:13:03.070 --> 00:13:06.070
  • - ERIC: THIS IS "THE ERIC
  • 00:13:10.190 --> 00:13:11.140
  • METAXAS SHOW," AND I AM JUST
  • 00:13:11.140 --> 00:13:12.060
  • SO EXCITED.
  • 00:13:12.060 --> 00:13:14.030
  • I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START, SO
  • 00:13:14.030 --> 00:13:15.120
  • I'LL JUST START.
  • 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:16.290
  • I HAVE IN THE STUDIO SOMEONE
  • 00:13:16.290 --> 00:13:19.270
  • WHOM I HAVE WANTED TO MEET FOR A
  • 00:13:19.270 --> 00:13:20.190
  • AND TODAY I GET TO MEET HIM AND
  • 00:13:23.140 --> 00:13:24.060
  • TALK WITH HIM.
  • 00:13:24.060 --> 00:13:24.190
  • IN FACT, YOU'RE RAY COMFORT,
  • 00:13:27.140 --> 00:13:28.040
  • AREN'T YOU?
  • 00:13:28.040 --> 00:13:28.160
  • - RAY COMFORT: YES.
  • 00:13:28.160 --> 00:13:29.020
  • - ERIC: WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
  • 00:13:29.020 --> 00:13:29.240
  • - RAY: THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME
  • 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:30.160
  • ON.
  • 00:13:30.160 --> 00:13:30.240
  • - ERIC: I'VE BEEN VERY EXCITED
  • 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:33.220
  • TO TALK TO YOU BECAUSE WE DON'T
  • 00:13:33.220 --> 00:13:34.140
  • ONLY SHARE OUR COMMON FAITH,
  • 00:13:34.140 --> 00:13:35.040
  • BUT WE SHARE A COMMON,
  • 00:13:35.040 --> 00:13:35.220
  • EXTREMELY SILLY VIEW
  • 00:13:35.220 --> 00:13:37.190
  • OF THE WORLD,
  • 00:13:37.190 --> 00:13:38.280
  • EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SERIOUS,
  • 00:13:38.280 --> 00:13:41.110
  • FUNDAMENTALLY SERIOUS.
  • 00:13:41.110 --> 00:13:41.280
  • NEITHER OF US CAN STOP JOKING,
  • 00:13:41.280 --> 00:13:43.120
  • SO THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY
  • 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.160
  • CONFUSING INTERVIEW FOR SOME
  • 00:13:45.160 --> 00:13:46.060
  • PEOPLE UNLESS WE CAN TONE IT
  • 00:13:46.060 --> 00:13:48.230
  • DOWN, AND I WILL-- SINCE I'M
  • 00:13:48.230 --> 00:13:50.030
  • THE HOST, I WILL TRY TO
  • 00:13:50.030 --> 00:13:50.210
  • TONE IT DOWN.
  • 00:13:50.210 --> 00:13:51.110
  • - RAY: I'VE BEEN TONING IT DOWN
  • 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:52.030
  • SINCE I MET YOU.
  • 00:13:52.030 --> 00:13:52.220
  • - ERIC: REALLY?
  • 00:13:52.220 --> 00:13:53.060
  • - RAY: YES.
  • 00:13:53.060 --> 00:13:53.190
  • - ERIC: WOW, IF I CAN ONLY
  • 00:13:53.190 --> 00:13:54.170
  • IMAGINE WHAT YOU'D BE LIKE IF
  • 00:13:54.170 --> 00:13:55.290
  • YOU HADN'T TONED IT DOWN.
  • 00:13:55.290 --> 00:13:56.180
  • THAT'S TERRIBLE.
  • 00:13:56.180 --> 00:13:57.260
  • OKAY, WE'VE GOTTA GET THE
  • 00:13:57.260 --> 00:13:58.150
  • FACTS OUT.
  • 00:13:58.150 --> 00:13:59.090
  • SO PEOPLE ARE WONDERING, "WHO IS
  • 00:13:59.090 --> 00:14:00.080
  • THIS RAY COMFORT?"
  • 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:00.240
  • NOW, I SAY, MAYBE THE BIO ON
  • 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.180
  • YOUR BOOK WILL GIVE ME A
  • 00:14:02.180 --> 00:14:03.260
  • SENTENCE OR TWO.
  • 00:14:03.260 --> 00:14:05.120
  • IT SAYS THAT YOU ARE AN
  • 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:06.160
  • EXPERIENCED APOLOGIST FOR THE
  • 00:14:06.160 --> 00:14:08.050
  • FAITH, POPULAR SPEAKER.
  • 00:14:08.050 --> 00:14:10.230
  • YOU'VE WRITTEN MORE THAN 90
  • 00:14:10.230 --> 00:14:11.200
  • BOOKS-- WHAT?
  • 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.140
  • YOU'RE A COHOST WITH MY DEAR
  • 00:14:13.140 --> 00:14:15.000
  • FRIEND KIRK CAMERON OF THE
  • 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:16.220
  • AWARD-WINNING TV PROGRAM
  • 00:14:16.220 --> 00:14:18.180
  • "WAY OF THE MASTER," WHICH AIRS
  • 00:14:18.180 --> 00:14:19.160
  • ACROSS THE GLOBE.
  • 00:14:19.160 --> 00:14:22.100
  • ONLY ACROSS THE GLOBE, RAY?
  • 00:14:22.100 --> 00:14:23.270
  • - RAY: I TRY TO GET ME
  • 00:14:23.270 --> 00:14:25.060
  • SOME MILES.
  • 00:14:25.110 --> 00:14:28.110
  • - ERIC: YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH
  • 00:14:28.110 --> 00:14:29.010
  • GOING ON HERE, BUT I JUST WANNA
  • 00:14:29.010 --> 00:14:30.230
  • SAY I'VE KNOWN OF YOUR MINISTRY
  • 00:14:30.230 --> 00:14:33.060
  • AND YOUR WORK AND YOUR VIDEOS,
  • 00:14:33.060 --> 00:14:34.070
  • AND IT'S REALLY JUST FUN FINALLY
  • 00:14:34.070 --> 00:14:36.100
  • TO MEET YOU.
  • 00:14:36.100 --> 00:14:37.140
  • - RAY: IT'S FUN TO MEET YOU TOO
  • 00:14:37.140 --> 00:14:38.120
  • AND TO FIND THAT YOU'RE A
  • 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:39.050
  • NORMAL HEIGHT.
  • 00:14:39.050 --> 00:14:41.030
  • - ERIC: A "NORMAL HEIGHT"?
  • 00:14:41.030 --> 00:14:42.070
  • WHAT HEIGHT DID YOU THINK I WAS?
  • 00:14:42.070 --> 00:14:43.270
  • ARE THERE ABNORMAL HEIGHTS THAT
  • 00:14:43.270 --> 00:14:44.190
  • PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TELLING
  • 00:14:44.190 --> 00:14:46.270
  • YOU ABOUT?
  • 00:14:46.270 --> 00:14:47.130
  • - RAY: ANYONE OVER SIX FEET
  • 00:14:47.130 --> 00:14:48.140
  • IS ABNORMAL.
  • 00:14:48.140 --> 00:14:49.230
  • - ERIC: EVERYONE OVER SIX FEET?
  • 00:14:49.230 --> 00:14:51.150
  • IT'S EMBARRASSING WHEN YOU MEET
  • 00:14:51.150 --> 00:14:52.230
  • THOSE TALL PEOPLE, ISN'T IT?
  • 00:14:52.230 --> 00:14:53.150
  • - RAY: YEAH, WELL, I JUST MEET
  • 00:14:53.150 --> 00:14:54.070
  • THEIR LEGS.
  • 00:14:54.070 --> 00:14:55.100
  • - ERIC: THEY FEEL SO
  • 00:14:55.100 --> 00:14:55.280
  • SELF-CONSCIOUS ABOUT THEIR
  • 00:14:55.280 --> 00:14:57.070
  • ABNORMAL HEIGHT, AND I TRY NOT
  • 00:14:57.070 --> 00:14:58.050
  • TO REFER TO IT.
  • 00:14:58.050 --> 00:15:00.040
  • I TRY NOT TO EVEN LOOK UP
  • 00:15:00.040 --> 00:15:00.230
  • AT THEM.
  • 00:15:00.230 --> 00:15:01.140
  • ALL RIGHT, SO YOU LIVE NOW--
  • 00:15:01.170 --> 00:15:04.170
  • YOU'RE FROM NEW ZEALAND.
  • 00:15:04.170 --> 00:15:06.070
  • - RAY: YEAH, I WAS BORN
  • 00:15:06.070 --> 00:15:07.010
  • THERE TWICE.
  • 00:15:07.010 --> 00:15:07.250
  • - ERIC: REALLY?
  • 00:15:07.250 --> 00:15:08.190
  • - RAY: MM-HMM.
  • 00:15:08.190 --> 00:15:09.030
  • - ERIC: WHEN WERE YOU BORN THE
  • 00:15:09.030 --> 00:15:10.150
  • SECOND TIME?
  • 00:15:10.150 --> 00:15:11.270
  • - RAY: 1972, 1:30 IN THE
  • 00:15:11.270 --> 00:15:13.240
  • MORNING, APRIL THE 24TH.
  • 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.020
  • - ERIC: APRIL THE 24TH, WHAT
  • 00:15:15.020 --> 00:15:17.230
  • TIME IN THE MORNING?
  • 00:15:17.230 --> 00:15:18.220
  • - RAY: 1:30 IN THE MORNING.
  • 00:15:18.220 --> 00:15:20.010
  • - ERIC: 1:30 IN THE MORNING.
  • 00:15:20.010 --> 00:15:21.010
  • NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I LOVE
  • 00:15:21.010 --> 00:15:23.020
  • PEOPLE'S STORIES, AND WE HAVE
  • 00:15:23.020 --> 00:15:24.250
  • THE FREEDOM ON THIS PROGRAM TO
  • 00:15:24.250 --> 00:15:25.160
  • DO MORE THAN JUST TALK ABOUT THE
  • 00:15:25.160 --> 00:15:26.080
  • SUBJECT OF YOUR BOOK.
  • 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:27.080
  • NOW, THE BOOK, BY THE WAY, IS
  • 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:28.080
  • TITLED "FAITH IS FOR WEAK
  • 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.250
  • PEOPLE: RESPONDING TO THE TOP 20
  • 00:15:30.250 --> 00:15:32.170
  • OBJECTIONS TO THE GOSPEL."
  • 00:15:32.170 --> 00:15:34.260
  • IN FACT, THE PHRASE
  • 00:15:34.260 --> 00:15:35.190
  • "FAITH IS FOR WEAK PEOPLE,"
  • 00:15:35.190 --> 00:15:36.180
  • THE TITLE IS IN QUOTES,
  • 00:15:36.180 --> 00:15:38.190
  • JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT
  • 00:15:38.190 --> 00:15:39.200
  • SOMEONE IS SAYING THAT OTHER
  • 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.100
  • THAN RAY COMFORT.
  • 00:15:42.100 --> 00:15:43.230
  • THAT'S THE BOOK, BUT I WANT YOUR
  • 00:15:43.230 --> 00:15:45.110
  • STORY BECAUSE I KNOW SO MANY
  • 00:15:45.110 --> 00:15:46.240
  • PEOPLE DON'T KNOW YOUR STORY,
  • 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:47.200
  • AND I PROBABLY ONLY KNOW
  • 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:48.080
  • HALF OF IT.
  • 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:48.210
  • SO YOU WERE BORN AND RAISED IN
  • 00:15:48.210 --> 00:15:50.220
  • NEW ZEALAND.
  • 00:15:50.220 --> 00:15:51.240
  • WAS YOUR FAMILY SERIOUS ABOUT
  • 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:54.010
  • THEIR CHRISTIAN FAITH?
  • 00:15:54.010 --> 00:15:55.140
  • - RAY: NO, I'M JEWISH.
  • 00:15:55.140 --> 00:15:56.240
  • - ERIC: JEWISH?
  • 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.070
  • - RAY: MY MOM'S JEWISH.
  • 00:15:58.070 --> 00:15:59.090
  • SHE MARRIED A GENTILE.
  • 00:15:59.090 --> 00:16:00.210
  • GOT KICKED OUT OF THE FAMILY,
  • 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:01.230
  • SO THEY LEFT ME WITHOUT ANY
  • 00:16:01.230 --> 00:16:03.000
  • INSTRUCTION WHATSOEVER BECAUSE
  • 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:04.050
  • THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PRESSURE ME
  • 00:16:04.050 --> 00:16:04.270
  • INTO ANYTHING SO--
  • 00:16:04.270 --> 00:16:05.120
  • - ERIC: SO YOUR MOTHER, JEWISH;
  • 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:06.260
  • YOUR FATHER, GENTILE.
  • 00:16:06.260 --> 00:16:08.210
  • YOU DIDN'T-- I NOTICE YOU DIDN'T
  • 00:16:08.210 --> 00:16:09.130
  • SAY "CHRISTIAN."
  • 00:16:09.130 --> 00:16:10.090
  • - RAY: NO.
  • 00:16:10.090 --> 00:16:11.110
  • - ERIC: YOUR FATHER WAS
  • 00:16:11.110 --> 00:16:11.290
  • NOT A CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:16:11.290 --> 00:16:12.130
  • HE WAS A GENTILE.
  • 00:16:12.130 --> 00:16:13.030
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THERE'S
  • 00:16:13.030 --> 00:16:14.230
  • JEWS AND CHRISTIANS, AND, IN
  • 00:16:14.230 --> 00:16:15.240
  • FACT, CHRISTIANS ARE PEOPLE WHO
  • 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.190
  • BELIEVE IN JESUS.
  • 00:16:17.190 --> 00:16:18.260
  • GENTILES ARE PEOPLE WHO SIMPLY
  • 00:16:18.260 --> 00:16:20.060
  • AREN'T JEWISH.
  • 00:16:20.060 --> 00:16:20.270
  • - RAY: YES.
  • 00:16:20.270 --> 00:16:22.020
  • - ERIC: OKAY, SO YOU WERE
  • 00:16:22.020 --> 00:16:23.020
  • RAISED IN A HOME WHERE YOU
  • 00:16:23.020 --> 00:16:24.140
  • DIDN'T REALLY HAVE
  • 00:16:24.140 --> 00:16:25.130
  • SERIOUS FAITH.
  • 00:16:25.130 --> 00:16:26.070
  • - RAY: IT WAS PRETTY GODLESS.
  • 00:16:26.070 --> 00:16:27.090
  • IT WASN'T A-- I WAS VERY, VERY
  • 00:16:27.090 --> 00:16:29.020
  • HAPPY AS A KID, BUT AT THE AGE
  • 00:16:29.020 --> 00:16:31.110
  • OF ABOUT, MM, 18 OR 19,
  • 00:16:31.110 --> 00:16:33.210
  • I HAD AN EPIPHANY.
  • 00:16:33.210 --> 00:16:35.090
  • I REALIZED I WAS PART OF THE
  • 00:16:35.090 --> 00:16:36.130
  • ULTIMATE STATISTIC, "TEN OUT OF
  • 00:16:36.130 --> 00:16:37.190
  • TEN DIE," AND IT JUST--
  • 00:16:37.190 --> 00:16:39.110
  • - ERIC: NOW, WAIT A MINUTE.
  • 00:16:39.110 --> 00:16:41.110
  • ARE YOU SERIOUS THAT YOU'RE A
  • 00:16:41.110 --> 00:16:42.120
  • TEENAGER, AND IT SUDDENLY HIT
  • 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.090
  • YOU THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DIE?
  • 00:16:44.090 --> 00:16:46.130
  • - RAY: WELL, GENTLY, SUDDENLY.
  • 00:16:46.130 --> 00:16:47.050
  • IT JUST DAWNED ON ME BECAUSE I
  • 00:16:47.050 --> 00:16:49.010
  • HAD EVERYTHING I WANTED
  • 00:16:49.010 --> 00:16:49.190
  • IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:16:49.190 --> 00:16:50.170
  • IT WAS LIKE I HAD THIS BIG
  • 00:16:50.170 --> 00:16:51.190
  • HAPPINESS BUBBLE.
  • 00:16:51.190 --> 00:16:52.240
  • I HAD MY OWN BUSINESS AT 19, MY
  • 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:54.140
  • OWN HOME, MY OWN WIFE.
  • 00:16:54.140 --> 00:16:56.210
  • WE'VE MADE ONE CHILD.
  • 00:16:56.210 --> 00:16:57.240
  • EVERYTHING I WANTED.
  • 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:58.150
  • - ERIC: AT 19?
  • 00:16:58.150 --> 00:16:59.030
  • - RAY: MM.
  • 00:16:59.030 --> 00:16:59.270
  • - ERIC: HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN
  • 00:16:59.270 --> 00:17:00.200
  • YOU WERE MARRIED?
  • 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:02.060
  • - RAY: ABOUT 19, 20, YES.
  • 00:17:02.060 --> 00:17:04.120
  • - ERIC: THAT'S SO INCREDIBLE.
  • 00:17:04.120 --> 00:17:07.090
  • SO YOU'RE A VERY YOUNG FATHER,
  • 00:17:07.090 --> 00:17:08.000
  • VERY YOUNG HUSBAND.
  • 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:08.180
  • YOU'RE HAPPY, AND THEN YOU
  • 00:17:08.180 --> 00:17:10.230
  • - RAY: WELL, I SAW THAT THE
  • 00:17:13.250 --> 00:17:14.180
  • SHARP PIN OF REALITY WAS GONNA
  • 00:17:14.180 --> 00:17:15.110
  • BURST MY HAPPINESS BUBBLE ONE
  • 00:17:15.110 --> 00:17:16.180
  • DAY, AND I REMEMBER LOOKING AT
  • 00:17:16.180 --> 00:17:18.200
  • MY WIFE, WHO WAS ASLEEP-- BEEN
  • 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.040
  • MARRIED ABOUT A YEAR-- AND
  • 00:17:20.040 --> 00:17:21.190
  • REALIZING, IF SHE DIED, I'D HAVE
  • 00:17:21.190 --> 00:17:23.050
  • ALL THIS MATERIALISM, WOULD JUST
  • 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:27.080
  • BE EMPTINESS, AND I REALIZED
  • 00:17:27.080 --> 00:17:28.000
  • EVERYTHING I HELD DEAR TO ME WAS
  • 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:29.190
  • GONNA BE RIPPED FROM MY HANDS BY
  • 00:17:29.190 --> 00:17:30.110
  • DEATH, THIS BIG ELEPHANT THAT'S
  • 00:17:30.110 --> 00:17:32.240
  • IN THE ROOM THAT NOBODY TALKS
  • 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:34.040
  • ABOUT THAT'S STOMPING ON
  • 00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:35.170
  • EVERYBODY, AND I WAS IN LINE OF
  • 00:17:35.280 --> 00:17:38.280
  • PEOPLE THAT WERE STEPPING OFF A
  • 00:17:38.280 --> 00:17:40.140
  • CLIFF, AND I WAS LEANING OUT OF
  • 00:17:40.140 --> 00:17:41.060
  • THE LINE, SAYING, "I WONDER IF I
  • 00:17:41.060 --> 00:17:42.050
  • CAN GET OUT OF THIS LINE?"
  • 00:17:42.050 --> 00:17:43.150
  • AND SO I LOOKED TO SCIENCE, BUT
  • 00:17:43.150 --> 00:17:46.070
  • THEY WERE TOO BUSY PUTTING A MAN
  • 00:17:46.070 --> 00:17:47.060
  • UP ON THE MOON TO WORRY ABOUT
  • 00:17:47.060 --> 00:17:48.170
  • WHAT WAS GOING ON, ON EARTH.
  • 00:17:48.170 --> 00:17:49.100
  • I WENT TO A DOCTOR TO TRY AND AT
  • 00:17:49.100 --> 00:17:51.210
  • LEAST EXTEND THIS PRECIOUS LIFE
  • 00:17:51.210 --> 00:17:52.270
  • OF MINE BY LIVING HEALTHY.
  • 00:17:52.270 --> 00:17:53.260
  • WALKED INTO HIS ROOM.
  • 00:17:53.260 --> 00:17:55.140
  • HE'S SITTING BEHIND A DESK,
  • 00:17:55.140 --> 00:17:56.210
  • SMOKING A CIGARETTE, LOOKIN'
  • 00:17:56.210 --> 00:17:57.170
  • LIKE DEATH WARMED UP, AND HE WAS
  • 00:17:57.170 --> 00:17:59.220
  • DEAD A FEW YEARS LATER.
  • 00:17:59.220 --> 00:18:00.200
  • SO I KIND OF LOST HOPE.
  • 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:01.290
  • I WAS LIKE SOLOMON, "VANITY,
  • 00:18:01.290 --> 00:18:03.060
  • VANITY, ALL IS VANITY."
  • 00:18:03.060 --> 00:18:04.070
  • THIS IS A QUIET DESPAIR,
  • 00:18:04.070 --> 00:18:06.210
  • DEEP WITHIN MY HEART,
  • 00:18:06.210 --> 00:18:07.260
  • THAT NOBODY KNEW ABOUT,
  • 00:18:07.260 --> 00:18:09.100
  • AND ONE NIGHT, MY WIFE HAD
  • 00:18:09.100 --> 00:18:10.060
  • GONE TO SLEEP.
  • 00:18:10.060 --> 00:18:10.250
  • I LOOKED AT HER, AND TEARS JUST
  • 00:18:10.250 --> 00:18:12.060
  • STREAMED DOWN MY FACE, AND I
  • 00:18:12.060 --> 00:18:13.260
  • CRIED OUT, "WHY, WHY IS THIS
  • 00:18:13.260 --> 00:18:16.100
  • THING--" I MEAN, WE'VE GOT LOVE
  • 00:18:16.100 --> 00:18:17.130
  • AND LAUGHTER, PUPPIES AND
  • 00:18:17.130 --> 00:18:19.150
  • KITTENS AND PONIES AND
  • 00:18:19.150 --> 00:18:20.030
  • FRUIT AND--
  • 00:18:20.030 --> 00:18:21.080
  • - ERIC: IT'S NOT NORMAL THAT
  • 00:18:21.080 --> 00:18:22.010
  • PEOPLE AT AGE 19 OR 20 ARE THAT
  • 00:18:22.090 --> 00:18:25.090
  • THOUGHTFUL AND THAT THEY'RE
  • 00:18:25.090 --> 00:18:27.130
  • SUDDENLY THINKING ABOUT DEATH.
  • 00:18:27.130 --> 00:18:28.210
  • I MEAN, THAT'S-- SADLY, THAT'S
  • 00:18:28.210 --> 00:18:31.040
  • NOT NORMAL BECAUSE IT'S AN
  • 00:18:31.040 --> 00:18:32.070
  • IMPORTANT THOUGHT, BUT MOST OF
  • 00:18:32.070 --> 00:18:33.070
  • US SKIP THROUGH MANY DECADES
  • 00:18:33.070 --> 00:18:34.190
  • BEFORE IT DAWNS ON US.
  • 00:18:34.190 --> 00:18:35.250
  • - RAY: WELL, WHEN I CRIED OUT,
  • 00:18:35.250 --> 00:18:36.270
  • "WHY?"
  • 00:18:36.270 --> 00:18:38.240
  • FROM MY HEART, I DIDN'T THINK
  • 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:39.180
  • I WAS PRAYING.
  • 00:18:39.180 --> 00:18:41.160
  • I USED TO PRAY EVERY NIGHT.
  • 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:42.060
  • I DIDN'T THINK GOD WOULD BE
  • 00:18:42.060 --> 00:18:42.290
  • HEARING WHAT I WAS
  • 00:18:42.290 --> 00:18:44.060
  • GOING THROUGH.
  • 00:18:44.060 --> 00:18:45.200
  • - ERIC: BUT YOU DID PRAY?
  • 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:46.090
  • - RAY: NO-- WELL, YEAH, I
  • 00:18:46.090 --> 00:18:47.090
  • PRAYED EVERY NIGHT.
  • 00:18:47.090 --> 00:18:48.000
  • I PRAYED THE LORD'S PRAYER
  • 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:48.200
  • OUT OF HABIT.
  • 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:49.130
  • I COULD RATTLE THROUGH IT IN
  • 00:18:49.130 --> 00:18:50.030
  • ABOUT TEN SECONDS, JUST
  • 00:18:50.030 --> 00:18:51.000
  • OUT OF HABIT.
  • 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.000
  • IT WAS KIND OF A SLEEPING PILL.
  • 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:53.010
  • SO, SIX MONTHS LATER, I WAS ON A
  • 00:18:53.010 --> 00:18:54.260
  • SURFING TRIP, AND A YOUNG GUY
  • 00:18:54.260 --> 00:18:56.170
  • WAS A CHRISTIAN, AND I OPENED
  • 00:18:56.170 --> 00:18:57.220
  • HIS BIBLE AND READ THE WORDS OF
  • 00:18:57.220 --> 00:18:59.150
  • JESUS FROM THE SERMON ON THE
  • 00:18:59.150 --> 00:19:01.110
  • MOUNT, "YOU'VE HEARD IT SAID BY
  • 00:19:01.110 --> 00:19:02.180
  • THEM OF OLD, 'YOU SHALL NOT
  • 00:19:02.180 --> 00:19:03.170
  • COMMIT ADULTERY,'"
  • 00:19:03.170 --> 00:19:04.130
  • AND I THOUGHT,
  • 00:19:04.130 --> 00:19:05.170
  • "WELL, IF THERE'S A
  • 00:19:05.170 --> 00:19:06.130
  • HEAVEN I'LL MAKE IT THERE
  • 00:19:06.130 --> 00:19:07.020
  • BECAUSE I'VE NOT COMMITTED
  • 00:19:07.020 --> 00:19:07.210
  • ADULTERY."
  • 00:19:07.210 --> 00:19:08.020
  • BUT THEN I READ THE WORDS
  • 00:19:08.020 --> 00:19:09.050
  • OF JESUS, WHERE HE SAID,
  • 00:19:09.050 --> 00:19:10.060
  • "BUT I SAY TO YOU, WHOEVER LOOKS
  • 00:19:10.060 --> 00:19:11.070
  • UPON A WOMAN TO LUST FOR HER HAS
  • 00:19:11.070 --> 00:19:13.090
  • COMMITTED ADULTERY ALREADY WITH
  • 00:19:13.090 --> 00:19:14.050
  • HER IN HIS HEART," AND IT WAS
  • 00:19:14.080 --> 00:19:17.080
  • LIKE AN ARROW HIT MY CHEST.
  • 00:19:17.080 --> 00:19:17.280
  • I THOUGHT,
  • 00:19:17.280 --> 00:19:18.090
  • "I'M A DEAD MAN.
  • 00:19:18.090 --> 00:19:18.270
  • IF GOD HAS SEEN MY THOUGHTS AND
  • 00:19:18.270 --> 00:19:20.100
  • HE CONSIDERS LUST TO BE
  • 00:19:20.100 --> 00:19:22.050
  • ADULTERY, I'M IN BIG TROUBLE ON
  • 00:19:22.050 --> 00:19:24.000
  • JUDGMENT DAY," AND IT WAS THEN
  • 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:26.000
  • THAT I UNDERSTOOD THE CROSS.
  • 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.020
  • YOU DON'T REALIZE THE GOOD NEWS
  • 00:19:27.020 --> 00:19:29.260
  • OF A FINE BEING PAID FOR YOU
  • 00:19:29.260 --> 00:19:31.250
  • UNLESS YOU REALIZE YOU VIOLATED
  • 00:19:31.250 --> 00:19:33.100
  • A LAW, AND WHEN I REALIZED I HAD
  • 00:19:33.100 --> 00:19:34.190
  • VIOLATED THE MORAL LAW, THEN THE
  • 00:19:34.190 --> 00:19:35.190
  • CROSS MADE SENSE.
  • 00:19:35.190 --> 00:19:37.280
  • I REPENTED, CAME TO CHRIST, CAME
  • 00:19:37.280 --> 00:19:40.020
  • BACK FROM THAT SURFING TRIP A
  • 00:19:40.020 --> 00:19:41.080
  • BRAND-NEW PERSON ON THE INSIDE.
  • 00:19:41.290 --> 00:19:44.290
  • EYES OF MY UNDERSTANDING
  • 00:19:44.290 --> 00:19:45.170
  • WERE ENLIGHTENED.
  • 00:19:45.170 --> 00:19:47.110
  • SO I BEGAN TO SHARE THE GOSPEL
  • 00:19:47.110 --> 00:19:48.140
  • WITH EVERYONE I MET, NOT LIKE A
  • 00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:49.220
  • WIDE-EYED FANATIC, BUT JUST
  • 00:19:49.220 --> 00:19:50.130
  • GIVING OUT GOSPEL TRACTS AND
  • 00:19:50.130 --> 00:19:51.180
  • SHARING MY FAITH.
  • 00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:52.180
  • I PUT A BILLBOARD WITH SCRIPTURE
  • 00:19:52.180 --> 00:19:54.070
  • ON IT-- THE FRONT OF OUR HOME.
  • 00:19:54.070 --> 00:19:56.080
  • I GOT A BIG PRINTING PRESS, PUT
  • 00:19:56.080 --> 00:19:57.000
  • IT IN OUR HOME, BEGAN PRINTING
  • 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:57.250
  • GOSPEL TRACTS.
  • 00:19:57.250 --> 00:19:58.290
  • GOT PROFESSIONAL SIGN WRITING
  • 00:19:58.290 --> 00:20:00.270
  • PUT ON MY CAR, PURCHASED A
  • 00:20:00.270 --> 00:20:02.040
  • 34-SEATER BUS AND PUT, "JESUS
  • 00:20:02.140 --> 00:20:05.140
  • SAID, 'I'M THE WAY, THE TRUTH,
  • 00:20:05.140 --> 00:20:06.090
  • THE LIFE," IN ONE-FOOT HIGH
  • 00:20:06.150 --> 00:20:09.150
  • LETTERING IN PROFESSIONAL SIGN
  • 00:20:09.150 --> 00:20:10.060
  • WRITING AROUND IT.
  • 00:20:10.060 --> 00:20:11.170
  • - ERIC: NOW, YOU REALIZE THIS
  • 00:20:11.170 --> 00:20:12.080
  • IS NOT NORMAL?
  • 00:20:12.080 --> 00:20:13.020
  • - RAY: WELL, IT'S BIBLICALLY
  • 00:20:13.020 --> 00:20:15.060
  • NORMAL.
  • 00:20:15.060 --> 00:20:15.170
  • I HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED--
  • 00:20:15.170 --> 00:20:16.170
  • - ERIC: NO, I DIDN'T SAY IT
  • 00:20:16.170 --> 00:20:17.290
  • WAS BAD.
  • 00:20:17.290 --> 00:20:18.220
  • I WAS JUST SAYING IT'S JUST
  • 00:20:18.220 --> 00:20:19.120
  • NOT NORMAL.
  • 00:20:19.120 --> 00:20:20.000
  • MOST PEOPLE DON'T DO
  • 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:21.070
  • THOSE THINGS.
  • 00:20:21.070 --> 00:20:23.120
  • YEAH, WELL, THEN I, ON THE FRONT
  • 00:20:23.120 --> 00:20:24.240
  • WINDOW OF MY BUSINESS, I PUT
  • 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:25.260
  • JOHN CHAPTER 3, VERSES 1 TO 16,
  • 00:20:25.260 --> 00:20:27.090
  • IN PROFESSIONAL THREE-INCH
  • 00:20:27.090 --> 00:20:29.050
  • LETTERING, AND THEN GOT A
  • 00:20:29.050 --> 00:20:30.050
  • SOAPBOX AND PUT IT IN THE HEART
  • 00:20:30.050 --> 00:20:31.080
  • OF OUR CITY, CITY OF 350.000
  • 00:20:31.080 --> 00:20:33.000
  • PEOPLE, AND PREACHED THE GOSPEL
  • 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:33.270
  • ALMOST EVERY DAY FOR 12 YEARS.
  • 00:20:35.090 --> 00:20:38.090
  • - ERIC: WHAT?
  • 00:20:38.090 --> 00:20:40.120
  • - RAY: HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN
  • 00:20:40.120 --> 00:20:41.030
  • YOU STARTED THIS?
  • 00:20:41.030 --> 00:20:41.180
  • - RAY: TWENTY-TWO.
  • 00:20:41.180 --> 00:20:42.230
  • - ERIC: I KNOW THAT YOU ARE
  • 00:20:42.230 --> 00:20:44.040
  • FAMOUS FOR ENGAGING STRANGERS
  • 00:20:44.050 --> 00:20:47.050
  • ACROSS THE WORLD ON THE STREETS
  • 00:20:47.050 --> 00:20:48.090
  • OF CITIES.
  • 00:20:48.130 --> 00:20:51.130
  • YOU DID IT TODAY IN NEW YORK, IN
  • 00:20:51.130 --> 00:20:52.140
  • TIMES SQUARE, AND I LOVE IT.
  • 00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:54.150
  • YOU'RE JUST-- YOU'RE MADE BY GOD
  • 00:20:54.150 --> 00:20:56.150
  • TO DO IT.
  • 00:20:56.150 --> 00:20:57.210
  • YOU'RE SO BRILLIANT AT IT WITH
  • 00:20:57.210 --> 00:20:59.000
  • USING HUMOR AND LOGIC
  • 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:00.190
  • AND COURAGE.
  • 00:21:00.190 --> 00:21:03.120
  • IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY THING.
  • 00:21:03.120 --> 00:21:05.290
  • IT'S ALL THE MORE EXTRAORDINARY
  • 00:21:05.290 --> 00:21:07.110
  • TO THINK THAT, AT AGE 22, YOU
  • 00:21:07.110 --> 00:21:08.160
  • DARED TO STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF
  • 00:21:08.170 --> 00:21:11.170
  • THE PUBLIC SQUARE TO DO THIS.
  • 00:21:11.170 --> 00:21:12.260
  • I MEAN, THAT'S AMAZING.
  • 00:21:12.260 --> 00:21:13.140
  • - RAY: WELL, I GOTTA TELL YA, I
  • 00:21:13.140 --> 00:21:14.120
  • WAS TERRIFIED.
  • 00:21:14.120 --> 00:21:15.290
  • I WAS MORE THAN TERRIFIED.
  • 00:21:15.290 --> 00:21:16.180
  • WHATEVER COMES AFTER
  • 00:21:16.180 --> 00:21:18.070
  • "TERRIFIED," I WAS THERE, BUT I
  • 00:21:18.070 --> 00:21:19.030
  • DID IT BECAUSE I CARE
  • 00:21:19.030 --> 00:21:20.040
  • AND MY CLIMAX IN WHAT I WAS
  • 00:21:22.270 --> 00:21:25.050
  • SAYING TO YOU IS, IN THOSE DAYS,
  • 00:21:25.050 --> 00:21:25.270
  • IF ANYONE COULD BE CONSIDERED A
  • 00:21:25.270 --> 00:21:28.230
  • IT WAS ME, IN THOSE DAYS.
  • 00:21:31.190 --> 00:21:32.230
  • TODAY, NOWADAYS, I'M MUCH WORSE.
  • 00:21:32.230 --> 00:21:33.280
  • I'M MORE ZEALOUS THAN I WAS
  • 00:21:33.280 --> 00:21:36.010
  • BECAUSE I TURN 70 NEXT YEAR--
  • 00:21:36.040 --> 00:21:39.040
  • NO, THIS YEAR.
  • 00:21:39.040 --> 00:21:41.100
  • SEE, MY MIND'S GOING ALREADY.
  • 00:21:41.100 --> 00:21:42.010
  • AND SO I WANNA NUMBER MY DAYS
  • 00:21:42.010 --> 00:21:43.180
  • THAT I MIGHT APPLY MY HEART TO
  • 00:21:43.270 --> 00:21:46.270
  • WISDOM, AND THE WISEST THING WE
  • 00:21:46.270 --> 00:21:47.200
  • CAN DO IS SHARE THE GOSPEL WITH
  • 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:48.180
  • UNSAVED PEOPLE.
  • 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:49.040
  • - ERIC: WOW, YES.
  • 00:21:49.040 --> 00:21:50.260
  • I DON'T WANNA FORGET TO MENTION,
  • 00:21:50.260 --> 00:21:52.130
  • WHILE WE'RE HAVING THIS
  • 00:21:52.130 --> 00:21:53.280
  • RAMBLING, WONDERFUL
  • 00:21:53.280 --> 00:21:54.240
  • CONVERSATION, YOUR NEW BOOK IS
  • 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:55.280
  • TITLED "FAITH IS FOR WEAK
  • 00:21:55.280 --> 00:21:58.030
  • PEOPLE," AND THAT'S IN QUOTES.
  • 00:21:58.030 --> 00:22:00.040
  • OBVIOUSLY, IT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE
  • 00:22:00.040 --> 00:22:02.100
  • SAY AS AN OBJECTION TO THE
  • 00:22:02.100 --> 00:22:03.210
  • GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:22:03.210 --> 00:22:06.020
  • "FAITH IS FOR WEAK PEOPLE:
  • 00:22:06.020 --> 00:22:06.260
  • RESPONDING TO THE TOP 20
  • 00:22:06.260 --> 00:22:07.290
  • OBJECTIONS TO THE GOSPEL."
  • 00:22:07.290 --> 00:22:10.280
  • PEOPLE IN OUR CULTURE TEND NOT
  • 00:22:13.050 --> 00:22:16.050
  • TO THINK LOGICALLY WHEN IT
  • 00:22:16.050 --> 00:22:16.240
  • COMES TO GOD.
  • 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.200
  • I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE
  • 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:20.100
  • THIS IDEA THAT "SPIRITUAL
  • 00:22:20.100 --> 00:22:22.050
  • REALITY IS ENTIRELY MALLEABLE.
  • 00:22:22.050 --> 00:22:23.290
  • IT'S ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.
  • 00:22:23.290 --> 00:22:26.080
  • IT'S RELATIVE.
  • 00:22:26.080 --> 00:22:28.130
  • IT CAN BE WHATEVER I WANT
  • 00:22:28.130 --> 00:22:29.070
  • IT TO BE."
  • 00:22:29.070 --> 00:22:30.040
  • THEY DON'T THINK OF A
  • 00:22:30.040 --> 00:22:31.210
  • SPIRITUAL REALITY IN THE WAY
  • 00:22:31.210 --> 00:22:32.110
  • THEY THINK OF A PHYSICAL
  • 00:22:32.110 --> 00:22:33.240
  • REALITY, AND, THEREFORE, IT CAN
  • 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:35.090
  • JUST BE SHAPED HOWEVER THEY LIKE
  • 00:22:35.090 --> 00:22:36.230
  • TO SHAPE IT, AND I DON'T KNOW
  • 00:22:36.230 --> 00:22:38.080
  • WHERE THAT IDEA CAME FROM--
  • 00:22:38.080 --> 00:22:39.120
  • MAYBE FROM THE ENLIGHTENMENT OR
  • 00:22:39.120 --> 00:22:40.200
  • FROM THE ROMANTIC MOVEMENT,
  • 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:43.180
  • PROBABLY IN AROUND 200 YEARS
  • 00:22:43.180 --> 00:22:46.040
  • AGO, BUT AT SOME POINT, THINGS
  • 00:22:46.040 --> 00:22:47.150
  • CHANGED, AND PEOPLE BEGAN TO
  • 00:22:47.150 --> 00:22:49.090
  • THINK ALONG THOSE LINES.
  • 00:22:49.090 --> 00:22:50.080
  • - RAY: YEAH, THE TITLE "FAITH
  • 00:22:50.080 --> 00:22:52.230
  • IS FOR WEAK PEOPLE" IS OFTEN
  • 00:22:52.230 --> 00:22:54.140
  • WHAT I HEAR FROM ATHEISTS.
  • 00:22:54.140 --> 00:22:56.010
  • THEY DON'T REALIZE THEY
  • 00:22:56.010 --> 00:22:57.100
  • LIVE BY FAITH.
  • 00:22:57.100 --> 00:22:57.270
  • WHEN WE DRIVE A CAR, WE TRUST
  • 00:22:57.270 --> 00:22:59.000
  • THE GUY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
  • 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:00.180
  • THAT PAINT THAT THE GOVERNMENT'S
  • 00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:02.290
  • PUT THERE TO PROTECT US, IS
  • 00:23:02.290 --> 00:23:03.260
  • GONNA STAY ON THAT SIDE, OR WHEN
  • 00:23:03.260 --> 00:23:05.260
  • THEY TAKE PILLS THAT THE DOCTOR
  • 00:23:05.260 --> 00:23:07.060
  • GIVES THEM, THEY DON'T REALIZE
  • 00:23:07.060 --> 00:23:08.170
  • THEY'RE HAVING FAITH.
  • 00:23:08.170 --> 00:23:09.090
  • THEY'RE TRUSTING THEIR LIVES
  • 00:23:09.090 --> 00:23:10.160
  • TO A DOCTOR.
  • 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:11.130
  • WHEN YOU HAVE A SURGERY, YOU'RE
  • 00:23:11.130 --> 00:23:12.140
  • TRUSTING A STRANGER TO CUT
  • 00:23:12.140 --> 00:23:14.060
  • INTO YOUR BODY?
  • 00:23:14.060 --> 00:23:16.050
  • WHEN YOU FLY ON A PLANE, YOU'RE
  • 00:23:16.050 --> 00:23:17.000
  • TRUSTING PILOTS YOU
  • 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:18.080
  • HAVEN'T EVEN MET.
  • 00:23:18.080 --> 00:23:19.210
  • YOU'RE TRUSTING YOUR
  • 00:23:19.210 --> 00:23:20.100
  • LIFE TO THEM.
  • 00:23:20.100 --> 00:23:21.000
  • EVEN WHEN YOU'RE STEPPIN' ON A
  • 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:22.130
  • ELEVATOR, YOU'RE TRUSTING YOUR
  • 00:23:22.130 --> 00:23:23.250
  • LIFE TO CABLES, BUT ELEVATORS
  • 00:23:23.250 --> 00:23:25.110
  • CAN LET US DOWN.
  • 00:23:25.110 --> 00:23:27.190
  • GOD WILL NEVER LET US DOWN.
  • 00:23:27.190 --> 00:23:29.140
  • THE BIBLE SAYS, "HE IS FAITHFUL
  • 00:23:29.140 --> 00:23:30.210
  • WHO PROMISED."
  • 00:23:30.210 --> 00:23:31.220
  • THE SCRIPTURES SAY,
  • 00:23:31.220 --> 00:23:32.180
  • "HE'S WITHOUT SIN,"
  • 00:23:32.180 --> 00:23:33.200
  • AND BECAUSE OF THAT,
  • 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:34.270
  • "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD
  • 00:23:34.270 --> 00:23:35.150
  • TO LIE,"
  • 00:23:35.150 --> 00:23:36.120
  • WHICH MEANS YOU CAN TRUST EVERY
  • 00:23:36.120 --> 00:23:37.040
  • WORD HE SAYS.
  • 00:23:37.040 --> 00:23:37.280
  • - ERIC: THERE'S SO MUCH I WANNA
  • 00:23:37.280 --> 00:23:39.050
  • TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
  • 00:23:39.050 --> 00:23:39.230
  • I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT
  • 00:23:39.230 --> 00:23:40.120
  • EVERYTHING.
  • 00:23:40.120 --> 00:23:40.240
  • YOU REGULARLY DEBATE ATHEISTS.
  • 00:23:43.070 --> 00:23:46.070
  • MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY
  • 00:23:46.070 --> 00:23:47.220
  • BELIEVE, BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY
  • 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:48.170
  • NOT ATHEISTS.
  • 00:23:48.170 --> 00:23:49.170
  • IN OTHER WORDS, I WOULD SAY THAT
  • 00:23:49.170 --> 00:23:50.140
  • "ATHEISTS" ARE VERY MUCH THE
  • 00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:51.210
  • MINORITY AND THAT MOST OF THE
  • 00:23:51.210 --> 00:23:53.080
  • PEOPLE WHO AREN'T YET SERIOUS
  • 00:23:53.080 --> 00:23:54.250
  • ABOUT THEIR CHRISTIAN FAITH
  • 00:23:54.250 --> 00:23:56.120
  • ARE-- IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE
  • 00:23:56.120 --> 00:23:58.190
  • GOD-FEARERS.
  • 00:23:58.190 --> 00:23:59.020
  • IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN MEET THEM
  • 00:23:59.020 --> 00:24:00.270
  • ON COMMON GROUND, BUT THEY DON'T
  • 00:24:00.270 --> 00:24:02.280
  • OPPOSE THE WHOLE IDEA OF GOD.
  • 00:24:02.280 --> 00:24:04.010
  • THEY'RE JUST CONFUSED ABOUT IT.
  • 00:24:04.010 --> 00:24:05.080
  • ARE MOST PEOPLE THAT YOU MEET IN
  • 00:24:05.080 --> 00:24:06.270
  • THAT GROUP, OR ARE THEY MORE
  • 00:24:06.270 --> 00:24:09.100
  • OUTSPOKEN IN THEIR ATHEISM, THE
  • 00:24:09.100 --> 00:24:11.150
  • ONES YOU MEET ON THE STREET?
  • 00:24:11.150 --> 00:24:12.190
  • - RAY: ONES I MEET ON THE
  • 00:24:12.190 --> 00:24:14.040
  • STREET ARE NORMAL PEOPLE THAT
  • 00:24:14.040 --> 00:24:15.130
  • THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES OF LIFE
  • 00:24:15.130 --> 00:24:16.200
  • AND DEATH, BUT THEY DON'T TALK
  • 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:17.120
  • ABOUT IT, SO WHEN I MEET THEM, I
  • 00:24:17.120 --> 00:24:18.260
  • SAY, "WOULD YOU LIKE TO
  • 00:24:18.260 --> 00:24:19.270
  • DO AN INTERVIEW?"
  • 00:24:19.270 --> 00:24:20.230
  • I ASK PEOPLE IF THEY THINK
  • 00:24:20.230 --> 00:24:21.280
  • THERE'S AN AFTERLIFE, AND THEN I
  • 00:24:21.280 --> 00:24:23.100
  • SAY TO THEM, "IT'S AN ISSUE THAT
  • 00:24:23.100 --> 00:24:24.230
  • ALL OF US SHOULD THINK ABOUT,"
  • 00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:26.130
  • AND I SAY, "DO YOU
  • 00:24:26.130 --> 00:24:28.030
  • PLAN YOUR FUTURE?"
  • 00:24:28.030 --> 00:24:29.050
  • THEY SAY, "WELL,
  • 00:24:29.050 --> 00:24:30.000
  • DEATH INEVITABLE."
  • 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:30.190
  • I SAY, "WELL, IF YOU'RE STANDING
  • 00:24:30.190 --> 00:24:31.140
  • ON A HIGHWAY AND THERE'S AN
  • 00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:32.240
  • 18-WHEELER HEADING FOR YOU,
  • 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.010
  • DO YOU SAY, "WELL, THIS IS
  • 00:24:34.010 --> 00:24:34.260
  • INEVITABLE; I'M JUST GONNA
  • 00:24:34.260 --> 00:24:35.150
  • STAND HERE"?
  • 00:24:35.150 --> 00:24:36.220
  • I SAID, "NO, YOU GET
  • 00:24:36.220 --> 00:24:37.080
  • OFF THE HIGHWAY."
  • 00:24:37.080 --> 00:24:38.040
  • I SAID, "SHOULDN'T YOU BE
  • 00:24:38.040 --> 00:24:40.070
  • DOING SOMETHING TO SEE WHAT
  • 00:24:40.070 --> 00:24:40.270
  • YOU CAN DO ABOUT DEATH?
  • 00:24:40.270 --> 00:24:42.000
  • DO YOU THINK GOD COULD DO
  • 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:42.240
  • ANYTHING TO HELP YOU?"
  • 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:43.260
  • AND THEY SAY, "I DON'T KNOW."
  • 00:24:43.260 --> 00:24:45.060
  • I SAY, "WELL, LET ME SHARE THE
  • 00:24:45.060 --> 00:24:46.100
  • GOSPEL WITH YOU, AND SEE WHAT
  • 00:24:46.100 --> 00:24:47.280
  • YOU THINK."
  • 00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:48.220
  • AND THEY'RE VERY REASONABLE,
  • 00:24:48.220 --> 00:24:49.130
  • AND OFTEN, I GET TO PRAY
  • 00:24:49.130 --> 00:24:50.030
  • WITH PEOPLE AFTERWARDS,
  • 00:24:50.030 --> 00:24:50.250
  • AND EVEN THE GUY IN
  • 00:24:50.250 --> 00:24:52.030
  • TIMES SQUARE LAST NIGHT,
  • 00:24:52.030 --> 00:24:53.010
  • WE PRAYED TOGETHER
  • 00:24:53.010 --> 00:24:54.020
  • AT THE END, AND HE HAD NO
  • 00:24:54.020 --> 00:24:55.220
  • CHRISTIAN OR GODLY UNDERSTANDING
  • 00:24:55.220 --> 00:24:57.150
  • AT ALL AT THE BEGINNING.
  • 00:24:57.150 --> 00:24:59.260
  • BUT MY CONFIDENCE IS THAT I'M
  • 00:24:59.260 --> 00:25:01.210
  • ADDRESSING THEIR CONSCIENCE.
  • 00:25:01.210 --> 00:25:03.040
  • THAT'S THE LINE THAT I TAKE
  • 00:25:03.040 --> 00:25:04.000
  • WITH PEOPLE.
  • 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:05.050
  • I SAY, "DO YOU THINK YOU'RE A
  • 00:25:05.050 --> 00:25:06.010
  • GOOD PERSON?"
  • 00:25:06.010 --> 00:25:06.210
  • THAT'S WHAT JESUS DID IN
  • 00:25:06.210 --> 00:25:08.120
  • MARK 10, VERSE 17.
  • 00:25:08.120 --> 00:25:09.100
  • RICH YOUNG RULER CAME RUNNING TO
  • 00:25:09.100 --> 00:25:10.260
  • HIM AND SAID, "GOOD MASTER, WHAT
  • 00:25:10.260 --> 00:25:12.110
  • SHALL I DO TO INHERIT
  • 00:25:12.110 --> 00:25:14.080
  • ETERNAL LIFE?"
  • 00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:14.270
  • JESUS SAID, "WHY DO YOU
  • 00:25:14.270 --> 00:25:15.290
  • UNSAVED OR SECULAR PEOPLE HAVE A
  • 00:25:18.280 --> 00:25:19.290
  • WRONG UNDERSTANDING OF THE
  • 00:25:19.290 --> 00:25:20.290
  • WORD "GOOD."
  • 00:25:20.290 --> 00:25:22.160
  • THE DICTIONARY HAS OVER
  • 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:23.050
  • 40 DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS,
  • 00:25:23.050 --> 00:25:24.000
  • AND NUMBER ONE IS
  • 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:24.160
  • "MORAL EXCELLENCE,"
  • 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.000
  • AND ONLY GOD IS
  • 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:27.200
  • MORALLY EXCELLENT, AND
  • 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:28.240
  • EVERYTHING FALLS SHORT OF
  • 00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:29.220
  • AND THAT'S THE STANDARD WE'RE
  • 00:25:32.080 --> 00:25:33.100
  • GONNA BE JUDGED WITH ON
  • 00:25:33.100 --> 00:25:34.290
  • JUDGMENT DAY, AND THAT'S WHY WE
  • 00:25:34.290 --> 00:25:35.210
  • NEED A SAVIOR.
  • 00:25:35.210 --> 00:25:36.050
  • - ERIC: HOLY COW, WELL, WE'RE
  • 00:25:36.050 --> 00:25:36.260
  • OUT OF TIME.
  • 00:25:36.260 --> 00:25:37.080
  • I AM JUST SO DELIGHTED, RAY
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  • COMFORT, THAT YOU ARE IN
  • 00:25:37.280 --> 00:25:38.240
  • NEW YORK.
  • 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.040
  • THANKS FOR STOPPING BY AND FOR
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  • TALKING TO ME AND LETTING
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  • OTHERS LISTEN IN.
  • 00:25:43.280 --> 00:25:45.040
  • JUST A TERRIFIC TIME.
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  • VERY GRATEFUL.
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  • THANK YOU.
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  • - RAY: IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE.
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  • THANK YOU.
  • 00:25:48.190 --> 00:25:49.000
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:25:49.010 --> 00:25:52.010
  • CAN'T STOP, CAN'T STOP
  • 00:25:52.010 --> 00:25:52.230
  • CAN'T STOP, CAN'T--
  • 00:25:52.230 --> 00:25:53.140
  • CAN'T STOP,
  • 00:25:53.140 --> 00:25:54.040
  • - CARLY FIORINA: AND THIS
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  • COUNTRY IS BUILT ON THE
  • 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.030
  • PRINCIPLE THAT REAL CHANGE
  • 00:26:03.030 --> 00:26:04.040
  • HAPPENS FROM THE BOTTOM, UP,
  • 00:26:04.040 --> 00:26:05.120
  • NOT THE TOP, DOWN.
  • 00:26:05.120 --> 00:26:06.280
  • - SHANNON BREAM: SO, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:26:06.280 --> 00:26:08.040
  • "TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY,"
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  • MY FRIEND.
  • 00:26:09.060 --> 00:26:09.180
  • - ERIC: WOW, SHE'S EVEN QUOTING
  • 00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:10.100
  • SHAKESPEARE.
  • 00:26:10.100 --> 00:26:11.110
  • DON'T YOU HATE HER?
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  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:26:11.290 --> 00:26:13.060
  • BOOM, BOOM
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  • CAN'T STOP
  • 00:26:13.220 --> 00:26:15.170
  • WON'T STOP
  • 00:26:15.170 --> 00:26:16.030
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:26:16.030 --> 00:26:16.270
  • CAN'T STOP
  • 00:26:16.270 --> 00:26:17.130
  • WON'T STOP
  • 00:26:17.130 --> 00:26:18.010
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:26:18.010 --> 00:26:18.180
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:26:18.180 --> 00:26:19.140
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:20.070
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:26:20.070 --> 00:26:21.150
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:26:21.150 --> 00:26:23.020