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October 4, 2018
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Matt & Laurie Crouch host Bill Johnson in Redding, CA.

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Praise | Bill Johnson | 10/4/18

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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - [Announcer] Tonight on Praise
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  • from Redding, California, author, speaker
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  • and Senior Pastor of Bethel Church, Bill Johnson.
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  • And now, Matt and Laurie Crouch.
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  • - Welcome to Praise, beautiful Redding, California.
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  • Pastor Bill Johnson, if there was ever a program
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  • that you should pay attention to it's the one
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  • that's going to be kind of referencing the Way of Life.
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  • If there was ever a question that people care about,
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  • if there was ever a question that your neighbors,
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  • your friends, you know, the Way of Life.
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  • That's what we're talking about.
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  • Give us kind of a setup.
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  • Open the, open the door here to what we're
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  • gonna be breaking down for the next hour.
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  • - Jesus told us to pray this prayer and it is
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  • the great commission for prayer specifically
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  • heaven on earth.
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  • He told us to pray for the will of God to be done
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  • here as it is in heaven.
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  • That has to be measurable or we don't receive
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  • encouragement from answers to prayer.
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  • We just keep general big prayers going
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  • and we don't receive the encouragement from answers.
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  • We tend to get the encouragement from praying
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  • and we're supposed to become filled with joy
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  • because of the answer, John 16.
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  • He said, in that day you'll ask the Father in my name
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  • and he'll give you whatever you ask that your joy
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  • may be full, so the full expression of joy
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  • is supposed to become from our co-laboring relationship
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  • with God and specifically his will to be done here
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  • in a measurable way as it is in heaven.
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  • So, when Jesus ministered he gave measurable ways.
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  • He would say, if I cast a demon out of you
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  • by the spirit of God, he said this in Matthew 12:28,
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  • if I cast a demon out of you by the spirit of God,
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  • then the kingdom of God came upon you.
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  • So, there's a measurable way to look
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  • at the answer to prayer.
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  • Heaven came to earth,
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  • came to earth because the darkness, the torment,
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  • that controlled somebody's life was broken off
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  • and so, there's a measurable way to examine freedom.
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  • Freedom is always evidence of the kingdom coming.
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  • And so, anyway it's, it's just basically the Way of Life
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  • is what God's intention is is to influence the nature
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  • of this world until it reflects the nature of his world
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  • and that's our assignment.
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  • - So, when you think about it, Bill, I don't wanna kinda
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  • overstate it, but at some point if you don't,
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  • if you don't know that
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  • then you don't really know how
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  • to think about life in general.
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  • I mean, I don't know if it's hitting everyone's brain
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  • the way it's hitting mine and I was fortunate enough
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  • to get the book, the 800 number is on the screen,
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  • but I was, you know, you signed this and thank you,
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  • by the way.
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  • This is actually my book's inside.
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  • This is somebody else's.
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  • The Way of Life, and by the way these little things
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  • that fly around are not exactly bees, they're just
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  • little kinda things 'cause we're in Redding, California.
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  • We're outside, this is not a studio.
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  • The Way of Life is what we're talking about,
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  • Bill Johnson.
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  • Okay, Bethel is kind of a thing globally.
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  • - [Announcer] If you've ever wondered if signs
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  • and wonders were possible in the 21st century
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  • look no further than Bethel Church in Redding, California.
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  • Senior Pastor, speaker and author, Bill Johnson,
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  • wastes no time diving into the supernatural.
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  • This fifth generation pastor believes healing
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  • and deliverance should be a common expression
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  • of the gospel.
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  • Healings, ranging from cancer to broken bones
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  • to learning disorders and emotional healing
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  • are witnessed regularly in the Bethel Church family.
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  • This strong presence of God has inspired the ministry
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  • to boost their worship and set their sites on moving
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  • outside the church walls and into schools, workplace
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  • and neighborhoods to demonstrate the power of God.
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  • Johnson has been featured on Christian Television
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  • networks, in documentaries and publications
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  • telling the message of the gospel and encouraging others
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  • to have an encounter with God.
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  • Bill Johnson, taking revival to the next level.
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  • - TBN and Bethel are working towards getting
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  • even more Bethel content out to the world.
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  • Your life can change dramatically by just sitting
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  • with Bill Johnson for a little bit, reading some
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  • of his books.
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  • That's what we're doing right here, right now.
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  • And by the way, here's, let me just give you
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  • the kind of picture.
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  • We're in the front yard.
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  • You have a dear friend who's kinda letting us be here.
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  • And so, this is a beautiful place.
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  • The trees, the outdoors, if a squirrel walks by
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  • it's a real squirrel and if a deer walks by
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  • it's a real deer.
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  • This is not a set.
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  • I don't wanna overstate, but you speak directly
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  • to my spirit, meaning when I read some of this book,
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  • I haven't read the whole book, but I read a part of it
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  • that just really kind of, if I can have your permission
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  • and just say this.
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  • Chapter Nine entitled, Jesus, Unafraid of the Secular.
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  • - Yeah, yeah.
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  • - We were talking a little bit earlier about that
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  • and we understand what you've said and we wanna break
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  • this totally down, but if you would give us
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  • a kind of a second opening thing and give me kind of what
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  • we're talking about in Chapter Nine here.
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  • This is really spectacular.
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  • - Background.
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  • God anointed enemy nations to care for the promised land
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  • to take care of it until Israel was prepared
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  • to inherit it, so he actually used outside
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  • of his own chosen people.
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  • He used a grace, a gift, a talent and ability
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  • of those nations to care for and to build up
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  • a land that his people would inherit.
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  • In the same way, the Lord has a habit of depositing
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  • some ideas in the secular culture that are actually
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  • supposed to be used by the church and of course,
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  • not carnality, not sin, not any of those things,
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  • but not everything in the world system is born
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  • of corruption and evil and that's what we have to see,
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  • is that there are certain things that the Lord
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  • has put there, he's hidden there for us, not from us.
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  • And, the three things that I mentioned
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  • in that particular chapter is the term apostle,
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  • the term church or ecclesia, and the word Paul,
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  • his name was changed from Saul to Paul.
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  • Those were all secular terms, secular concepts
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  • that were hidden in the culture around them.
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  • The Greeks developed the word, apostle,
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  • as they did the word, ecclesia.
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  • Apostle is actually the headship in an armada of ships
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  • that would go to a newly conquered area and they would
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  • bring transformation, education, architecture, language,
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  • all those things.
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  • They would make in accurately represent the land
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  • they represented so that if their emperor were to ever
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  • visit this newly conquered land they would feel
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  • as at home there as they did in Rome's case,
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  • as they did in Rome.
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  • - As in, on earth as it is in heaven.
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  • - That helps then to put in place the prayer
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  • on earth as in heaven as an apostolic prayer.
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  • It is a prayer that says, we want God to feel
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  • as at home here as he does in heaven
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  • because the culture has changed here to accommodate
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  • a presence and to live entirely for him.
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  • - Before we move on, so let me just make sure I understand.
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  • Apostle is a secular word that refers to the lead ship
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  • in an armada sailing to a conquered destination
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  • to turn that conquered destination more like
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  • the conquerors.
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  • - Yes, exactly, yeah, because what would happen
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  • is they would conquer a land, but they saw
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  • no transformation there.
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  • And so, then they started using this concept
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  • developed originally by the Greeks to go and transform
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  • the culture so that it would be an accurate
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  • and healthy representation of Rome, itself.
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  • The Greeks started Rome, the Romans adopted it.
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  • And that's what they did which helps me to understand
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  • better than the prayer that Jesus gave us to pray.
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  • The will of God be done.
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  • - Yeah, which is you know, we were talking before
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  • and this, we're breaking down this Chapter Nine,
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  • The Way of Life, and earlier it was almost like
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  • when we were talking earlier, the idea that church
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  • sometimes feels like the end game for Christians,
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  • to develop a great church, but that's really just
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  • a preparation point to get us to transform the world
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  • we live in to make it look like heaven on earth.
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  • - Yeah, exactly.
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  • - And so, it's almost like church is the foundational
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  • piece, our mission and our purpose is much beyond that.
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  • - Exactly, yeah.
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  • - Yeah, go ahead.
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  • - The church is just an equipping place.
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  • The transformation takes place on the outside.
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  • You go to the cities in our country
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  • that have the greatest church attendance,
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  • tragically, they are the least transformed
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  • because statistically it's proven.
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  • They are the least transformed culturally
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  • through divorce, crime, all those social statistics,
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  • they are the least transformed and it's not
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  • because there's so many people in church, obviously,
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  • because those people are changed, but their impact
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  • on the world around therm stops when they think
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  • church is the end game instead of realizing
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  • we are actually being equipped to take what we experience
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  • in the house outside of the house so we bring
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  • transformation.
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  • - So, the idea that if there was a set of parents,
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  • let's say our age and I'm thinking of you know,
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  • our boys are in their you know mid-20s, so if we
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  • didn't understand this and our kids felt called
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  • to Hollywood, if you didn't understand this
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  • you'd think there's somethin' wrong with your kids.
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  • What's wrong with your kids?
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  • They're feeling actually the prayer that we might
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  • have prayed and they're wanting to fulfill it
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  • and we think there's somethin' wrong with them,
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  • that they feel called to Hollywood or something like that.
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  • That's an example of what we're talking about.
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  • - That's exactly right, exactly right.
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  • - Or to politics or science or you know other.
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  • - So, you talk about the great commission of God
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  • and even in the beginning and God created
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  • all the things he did and then he said
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  • to be fruitful and multiply to subdue the earth.
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  • What did he mean by subdue it?
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  • - Well, in my opinion there was the garden of Eden.
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  • Outside of the garden was chaos.
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  • We have reason to believe that because he said, do,
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  • he gave them an assignment to have children who have
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  • children who have children and as your capacity to manage,
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  • to govern increases, then increase the size of the garden
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  • until the entire earth is covered with divine rule
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  • through delegated authority,
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  • and that was the commission.
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  • And, that's what subdue, subdue is a military term
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  • that implies there's opposition and so, you will have
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  • to expand his rule through delegated authority
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  • as they multiply and are able to manage a greater
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  • part of the earth and they could increase in size, so.
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  • - Well, I love what you said about working it.
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  • You work and you subdue and we were all called
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  • to actually work.
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  • - Yeah, no, that's right.
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  • In Israel's culture work was worship
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  • and it's supposed to be in church culture
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  • and when we miss that it's not that our
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  • corporate gatherings are to be put down
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  • because they're essential.
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  • I think we underestimate the value
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  • of the corporate gathering, but it is unto something.
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  • The worship that takes place there is vital,
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  • but the dentist who offers his labors as unto the Lord,
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  • that also is an expression of worship.
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  • Showing compassion to somebody who's, has no money,
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  • or in great crisis or need, Jesus said, when you've
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  • done it to the least of these you've done it to me.
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  • He receives it as worship and I don't wanna
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  • take away from the corporate expression,
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  • but it's gotta be taken, what we do in the house
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  • is to equip us to take it out of the house
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  • to be effective.
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  • - Got it.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Okay, we're in Chapter Nine.
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  • We've broken down the word, apostle.
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  • We are talking today about The Way of Life
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  • and Bill Johnson's latest book,
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  • the 800 number on the screen.
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  • All of the operators already know
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  • that you're calling for this book.
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  • We do that on purpose so it's easier for you, by the way.
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  • We tell them in advance, what a concept.
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  • So, we basically have this all prepped.
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  • We are buying these books from the publisher
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  • and we're making them available for you.
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  • The 800 number is on the screen.
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  • We're in Chapter Nine and we have broken down, apostle.
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  • Okay, and what I, what I like about this,
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  • and again, this chapter is Jesus Unafraid of the Secular.
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  • The term, apostle, secular term.
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  • Okay, church.
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  • This one is kind of mind boggling when you.
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  • Take your time with this one.
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  • - The word is ecclesia.
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  • Jesus said I will build my church.
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  • He used that term, ecclesia.
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  • It's a word that means wherever two or three
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  • are gathered they carry governmental influence.
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  • It's a secular term referring to a secular institution
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  • that is planted within society to represent
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  • the government, a government and to bring about change
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  • through that governmental representation.
  • 00:14:09.190 --> 00:14:11.270
  • So, having said that, it gives great insight
  • 00:14:11.270 --> 00:14:15.180
  • into what Jesus meant when he said, where two or three
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  • are gathered in my name there I am in the midst.
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  • So, it's, he could've used the term, the target
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  • of the corporate gathering.
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  • He could've used temple, he could have used synagogue
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  • he could have used anything to describe the people of God.
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  • But in this case he was describing the people of God
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  • in their transformational role, that whenever the two
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  • or three are gathered and they make that commitment
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  • together in prayer to a task, they actually are
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  • representing heaven, to establish his order
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  • and his influence in that secular environment.
  • 00:14:48.030 --> 00:14:50.180
  • - So, we're really talking about
  • 00:14:51.210 --> 00:14:54.170
  • the idea that Jesus gave these clues and what you
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  • suggest in the very beginning of Chapter Nine
  • 00:15:01.270 --> 00:15:04.230
  • is you know, that these three terms that you wanna break
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  • down, apostle, church and Paul, were very specifically
  • 00:15:09.220 --> 00:15:14.220
  • chosen by the Holy Spirit as secular terms
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  • to give us this clue that life isn't about going to church
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  • and then going home and then working a secular job.
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  • Life is about infiltrating all forms of society
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  • and our kids almost get it sometimes and have to almost
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  • explain it to this generation because, because you know,
  • 00:15:39.110 --> 00:15:43.220
  • where we're coming from, and I think it, it's important
  • 00:15:43.220 --> 00:15:46.200
  • to say this, Bill, is because I think my grandparents
  • 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:51.050
  • believe the opposite of this.
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  • You know, I think, you know, there was a misinterpretation
  • 00:15:53.090 --> 00:15:55.220
  • often times of, be ye separate, come out from amongst
  • 00:15:55.220 --> 00:15:58.200
  • the world and be separate and so, if a radio
  • 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.170
  • was in your house way back in the 30s and the pastor
  • 00:16:01.170 --> 00:16:05.270
  • came over you had to hide it in the front closet
  • 00:16:05.270 --> 00:16:07.270
  • because the world was going to be a force to take
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  • the righteousness out of us.
  • 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:14.140
  • - Exactly.
  • 00:16:14.140 --> 00:16:15.270
  • - So, it took my parents' generation really, a lot of 'em
  • 00:16:15.270 --> 00:16:19.040
  • in that generation, for my dad to even look at his
  • 00:16:19.040 --> 00:16:21.130
  • parents and say, you're sincere, but you're sincerely wrong
  • 00:16:21.130 --> 00:16:23.120
  • because TV and/or radio are neutral.
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  • Only the intention of the person owning it
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  • and programming it makes the difference
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  • of whether it's a force of good or evil.
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  • So, we're coming from the pendulum swing way, way
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  • over here and it's almost like my parents,
  • 00:16:38.180 --> 00:16:42.240
  • my kids' great grandparents were one end of the pendulum
  • 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:46.250
  • swing and they're feeling that pendulum swing
  • 00:16:46.250 --> 00:16:49.050
  • come over as we're getting this, okay.
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  • I think that's where we're coming from.
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  • - That's exactly right.
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  • What Jesus did is he approached everything differently.
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  • Let me give this example.
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  • Old Testament, you touch a leper, you become unclean.
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  • Jesus touches a leper, the leper becomes clean.
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  • It's completely different.
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  • Old Testament, don't associate with the sinner
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  • because it will contaminate you.
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  • If I spit on somebody's offering I have contaminated
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  • their offering, but in the kingdom it's completely different
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  • because it's the believing spouse that sanctifies
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  • the spouse, so it's the power of righteousness
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  • in the kingdom that is resonate in the life
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  • of a yielded believer.
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  • That power transforms the world around them
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  • and that's where our faith has to be.
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  • - And that's where we are to pray, thy kingdom come
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  • and thy will be done.
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  • - Yeah, exactly.
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  • - But then, walk it out.
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  • So, we're learning to walk it out, okay.
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  • That's why we're sittin' here today
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  • 'cause we're gonna learn this stuff.
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  • Okay, are you done with church?
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  • - Sure.
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  • - Okay, Paul.
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  • - (laughing) not really (laughing).
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  • I'm not done with church.
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  • - Are you done with church?
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  • Sure, yeah, yeah.
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  • (laughing)
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  • That's all, that's the promo.
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  • (laughing)
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  • - Saul is, Paul is the most forceful, influential person
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  • in the New Testament apart from Jesus himself obviously.
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  • But, he was, he was a Jewish leader.
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  • He was a rabbi of rabbis.
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  • He was a genius of geniuses,
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  • trained under the top rabbi available and he had
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  • great respect and Saul is a nice Hebrew name
  • 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:32.020
  • and Paul is not.
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  • Paul is a very secular, Greek name and when he went
  • 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:36.270
  • through a name change, it happened to be at a very critical
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  • moment where it is possible he was given the name
  • 00:18:39.220 --> 00:18:43.090
  • after his encounter with Sergius Paulus.
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  • It's possible that after that encounter,
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  • because after that moment it went from Barnabas and Saul
  • 00:18:48.190 --> 00:18:53.190
  • being sent out in ministry, it turned in that moment
  • 00:18:53.190 --> 00:18:56.170
  • to Paul, name change and Barnabas.
  • 00:18:56.170 --> 00:18:59.020
  • Paul was now mentioned first.
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  • Something happened in the encounter where he stepped
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  • into his purpose and destiny.
  • 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:05.240
  • And, to have a guy like Saul be willing to have
  • 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:09.100
  • a name change that associated him with a more
  • 00:19:09.100 --> 00:19:13.230
  • secular environment than his Hebrew roots
  • 00:19:13.230 --> 00:19:16.030
  • is really astonishing.
  • 00:19:16.030 --> 00:19:17.120
  • I don't know that we can appreciate
  • 00:19:17.120 --> 00:19:18.260
  • what he had to go through emotionally and psychologically
  • 00:19:18.260 --> 00:19:23.100
  • to embrace that name change, but he did and he did it, I
  • 00:19:23.100 --> 00:19:27.190
  • would assume he did it to better facilitate his role
  • 00:19:27.190 --> 00:19:31.250
  • as a primary evangelist to the Gentile world.
  • 00:19:31.250 --> 00:19:35.020
  • - Okay, we're talking with Bill Johnson about really
  • 00:19:35.020 --> 00:19:39.210
  • important stuff, that church is not the end game,
  • 00:19:39.210 --> 00:19:43.010
  • it's the preparation stage for what really life is about
  • 00:19:43.010 --> 00:19:46.140
  • and seek transformational change in every aspect of life.
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  • Okay, did this just come natural to you?
  • 00:19:50.210 --> 00:19:53.180
  • Okay, did you get this at a young age?
  • 00:19:53.180 --> 00:19:58.040
  • Did you study your way into being kind of you know,
  • 00:20:00.120 --> 00:20:05.020
  • if you squeeze you, this is what comes out.
  • 00:20:05.020 --> 00:20:07.210
  • This is what and who you are.
  • 00:20:07.210 --> 00:20:09.050
  • When did this happen to you?
  • 00:20:09.050 --> 00:20:11.010
  • - My dad brought a series to us back in the 70s.
  • 00:20:11.010 --> 00:20:16.000
  • I was on staff with my dad here at Bethel
  • 00:20:17.060 --> 00:20:19.110
  • and he brought, he taught a series out of Ezekiel
  • 00:20:19.110 --> 00:20:22.080
  • on the Priesthood of the Believer
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  • and that clicked for me, that clicked.
  • 00:20:24.100 --> 00:20:26.130
  • Of course, it started with our ministry to the Lord
  • 00:20:26.130 --> 00:20:28.210
  • which is the most important, but the concept
  • 00:20:28.210 --> 00:20:32.030
  • of every believer being a priest, under the Lord,
  • 00:20:32.030 --> 00:20:35.190
  • and a representative of the Lord in society,
  • 00:20:35.190 --> 00:20:39.050
  • it caught, it caught.
  • 00:20:39.050 --> 00:20:41.010
  • I can't say how or why, but his, the teaching
  • 00:20:41.010 --> 00:20:44.250
  • that he brought really impacted me, so I've spent
  • 00:20:44.250 --> 00:20:47.280
  • the last 40 some years trying to learn how to apply
  • 00:20:47.280 --> 00:20:51.060
  • that one single truth.
  • 00:20:51.060 --> 00:20:52.290
  • You know, at the end of the series I bowed my head.
  • 00:20:52.290 --> 00:20:55.080
  • I said, there was no altar call.
  • 00:20:55.080 --> 00:20:56.160
  • I just bowed my head.
  • 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:57.240
  • I said, God I give you the rest of my life
  • 00:20:57.240 --> 00:20:59.120
  • to teach me this one thing.
  • 00:20:59.120 --> 00:21:01.090
  • What does this look like, to truly be a worshiper
  • 00:21:01.090 --> 00:21:03.070
  • and then what does it look like to be a minister
  • 00:21:03.070 --> 00:21:06.210
  • of the gospel outside of obvious you know,
  • 00:21:06.210 --> 00:21:10.120
  • ministry settings?
  • 00:21:11.250 --> 00:21:13.230
  • My ambition was not to be in ministry.
  • 00:21:13.230 --> 00:21:15.140
  • I had no desire to be in a traditional ministry.
  • 00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:18.130
  • My deal was gonna be elsewhere in work,
  • 00:21:18.130 --> 00:21:22.170
  • but the Lord changed that about, but I still
  • 00:21:22.170 --> 00:21:25.260
  • carry that value and have always been
  • 00:21:25.260 --> 00:21:30.230
  • attracted to those who are involved in business
  • 00:21:32.170 --> 00:21:36.100
  • and medicine and that, that's where I'm drawn to constantly
  • 00:21:36.100 --> 00:21:40.260
  • to see how the kingdom can be manifest there.
  • 00:21:40.260 --> 00:21:43.140
  • - Okay, I read on your little card that they give us,
  • 00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:46.190
  • these little cheat sheets about Bill Johnson,
  • 00:21:46.190 --> 00:21:49.150
  • that you're fifth generation.
  • 00:21:49.150 --> 00:21:51.220
  • Your kids are sixth generation in ministry.
  • 00:21:51.220 --> 00:21:54.150
  • - Yes, yes.
  • 00:21:54.150 --> 00:21:56.000
  • - Do you, do you think your dad brought that word
  • 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:01.010
  • when you were a young man fresh?
  • 00:22:01.010 --> 00:22:03.250
  • Do you think he got it from his dad?
  • 00:22:03.250 --> 00:22:05.150
  • How far back do you think that goes back?
  • 00:22:05.150 --> 00:22:08.190
  • Because it feels like in my family,
  • 00:22:08.190 --> 00:22:11.170
  • my grandparents were, be ye separate, come out
  • 00:22:11.170 --> 00:22:14.280
  • from amongst the world.
  • 00:22:14.280 --> 00:22:16.000
  • Where do you think that?
  • 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:17.070
  • - He got that, it wasn't handed down.
  • 00:22:17.070 --> 00:22:19.260
  • - Okay.
  • 00:22:19.260 --> 00:22:21.120
  • - Our heritage before that would have been much more
  • 00:22:21.120 --> 00:22:22.260
  • similar to yours where the emphasis was on,
  • 00:22:22.260 --> 00:22:27.050
  • fearing sin, holiness, which is important.
  • 00:22:30.030 --> 00:22:32.200
  • I mean, it was there for a reason.
  • 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.030
  • They came to that conclusion 'cause they didn't
  • 00:22:34.030 --> 00:22:35.290
  • wanna be contaminated and the desire was pure,
  • 00:22:35.290 --> 00:22:39.090
  • but it's just shortsighted in that it doesn't see
  • 00:22:39.090 --> 00:22:42.030
  • the power of the spirit of God in me to enable me
  • 00:22:42.030 --> 00:22:45.270
  • to not only to resist temptation but also to bring
  • 00:22:45.270 --> 00:22:48.280
  • transformation to the world I'm in.
  • 00:22:48.280 --> 00:22:50.140
  • - Transformation is what we're talking about.
  • 00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:52.180
  • The book, The Way of Life.
  • 00:22:52.180 --> 00:22:54.080
  • Bill Johnson, I just wanna reset just for a moment
  • 00:22:54.080 --> 00:22:56.240
  • and if you're looking at the shot there,
  • 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.030
  • the camera shot, the crane, those are real rocks
  • 00:22:59.030 --> 00:23:02.120
  • sitting in the foreground here.
  • 00:23:02.120 --> 00:23:04.000
  • - It's not from Universal Studios.
  • 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:05.140
  • - Yeah, this is reality.
  • 00:23:05.140 --> 00:23:07.270
  • These are real trees and I think that's a real
  • 00:23:07.270 --> 00:23:11.230
  • helicopter flying off in the background.
  • 00:23:11.230 --> 00:23:14.020
  • So, we're in Redding, beautiful northern California.
  • 00:23:14.020 --> 00:23:17.000
  • - Bethel country.
  • 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:18.040
  • - And this is absolutely Bethel country.
  • 00:23:18.040 --> 00:23:20.080
  • The Way of Life is being offered today.
  • 00:23:20.080 --> 00:23:22.250
  • We're sitting with Bill Johnson.
  • 00:23:22.250 --> 00:23:24.080
  • Okay, make sure in case somebody just tuned in,
  • 00:23:24.080 --> 00:23:29.080
  • kind of reset for us a moment and just kinda
  • 00:23:30.140 --> 00:23:34.090
  • talk about really who you are and what this book
  • 00:23:34.090 --> 00:23:39.010
  • is really telling us and if somebody orders it
  • 00:23:39.010 --> 00:23:41.250
  • and gets it, what are they learning that might be
  • 00:23:41.250 --> 00:23:45.000
  • fairly new that you're wanting to speak to us about.
  • 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.210
  • What's, in general, what are we talking about?
  • 00:23:48.210 --> 00:23:51.000
  • - What I long for in my life, in our life here in Redding,
  • 00:23:53.010 --> 00:23:56.250
  • the places we have influence, is in a practical way
  • 00:23:56.250 --> 00:24:00.190
  • to experience the reality of heaven here.
  • 00:24:00.190 --> 00:24:04.220
  • For me, that has to be specific.
  • 00:24:04.220 --> 00:24:06.230
  • What is the culture of heaven?
  • 00:24:06.230 --> 00:24:08.250
  • How does heaven function?
  • 00:24:08.250 --> 00:24:10.010
  • In heaven every person is celebrated
  • 00:24:10.010 --> 00:24:11.210
  • for who they are without being discounted
  • 00:24:11.210 --> 00:24:14.280
  • for who they're not.
  • 00:24:14.280 --> 00:24:16.140
  • In heaven everything is connected to the presence
  • 00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:20.080
  • of God, himself.
  • 00:24:20.080 --> 00:24:21.240
  • There's nothing in heaven that is separate from him.
  • 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:25.040
  • He is in every, there's no shadows in heaven
  • 00:24:25.040 --> 00:24:27.230
  • 'cause he's everywhere at once shining at the same time.
  • 00:24:27.230 --> 00:24:30.210
  • So, that tells me then the culture of heaven
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  • is a presence-based culture.
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  • So, if I'm going to emulate that, the nature of that world
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  • then I have to discover the presence of God
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  • and learn to live from the presence towards life
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  • and see how that effects my relationships,
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  • how that effects my attitude, how that effects my faith,
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  • how that effects my vision, my assignment,
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  • all those things come from the presence of the Lord.
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  • We tend, in Christianity, we tend to reduce things
  • 00:24:57.290 --> 00:25:01.230
  • to principles and sometimes violate what the presence
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  • of God is doing.
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  • For example, Paul wanted to preach in Asia.
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  • The Holy Spirit said no, but the command to go
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  • to all the world would imply Asia's where you need to go.
  • 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:18.050
  • But the Holy Spirit, the presence, said no
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  • and you always wanna, we have to be Biblical.
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  • We have to do what we do because of scripture,
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  • but the scriptures give me the overall general mandate.
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  • It's the presence that shows me specific application.
  • 00:25:30.100 --> 00:25:33.110
  • So, this whole issue of the culture of heaven is very
  • 00:25:33.110 --> 00:25:36.060
  • practical and doable here and that's my ambition.
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  • It's whether there's no cancer there so there shouldn't
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  • be here, so it gives me the basis to contend for
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  • a breakthrough there.
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  • Poverty, all the stuff, racial conflict,
  • 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:50.080
  • there's none of that in heaven as there is here.
  • 00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:53.060
  • So, it means that in the presence are the solutions
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  • and the answers that we need for every dilemma we face.
  • 00:25:56.230 --> 00:26:00.090
  • - That's why Jesus would say in the perfect prayer,
  • 00:26:00.090 --> 00:26:04.270
  • thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth
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  • as it is in heaven.
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  • Align our world with the world that exists,
  • 00:26:08.290 --> 00:26:13.090
  • the reality of the world.
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  • He declared, it's finished, on the cross,
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  • so we don't pray for victory, we pray from
  • 00:26:17.270 --> 00:26:20.220
  • a state of victory.
  • 00:26:20.220 --> 00:26:21.220
  • - Exactly.
  • 00:26:21.220 --> 00:26:23.050
  • - And so, we're, we're trying to basically get this
  • 00:26:23.050 --> 00:26:27.050
  • message out, say.
  • 00:26:27.050 --> 00:26:29.010
  • So, let's kinda move on.
  • 00:26:29.010 --> 00:26:31.010
  • The Way of Life is what we're breaking down.
  • 00:26:31.010 --> 00:26:32.270
  • The 800 number is available to get it right now.
  • 00:26:32.270 --> 00:26:35.180
  • Where do you wanna go now?
  • 00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:37.020
  • What's important else that we need to chat about?
  • 00:26:37.020 --> 00:26:40.100
  • - I love though, how we have gone from what you were
  • 00:26:40.100 --> 00:26:42.220
  • talkin' about, the measuring stick.
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  • Talk about that and how we have drifted.
  • 00:26:45.110 --> 00:26:48.270
  • - Okay.
  • 00:26:48.270 --> 00:26:50.040
  • Several years ago an acquaintance of mine,
  • 00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:52.180
  • I didn't know him well, but he gave this illustration.
  • 00:26:52.180 --> 00:26:55.070
  • He said, he was a pastor and they were going to build
  • 00:26:55.070 --> 00:26:58.220
  • a new sanctuary.
  • 00:26:58.220 --> 00:27:00.090
  • He was all excited 'cause they were gonna be able
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  • to finally accommodate the crowds that they had
  • 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.160
  • coming to church and he was not a builder at all,
  • 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.270
  • but he wanted to help somehow, he wanted to get out there
  • 00:27:06.270 --> 00:27:09.070
  • and help and he would just kinda pester the contractor
  • 00:27:09.070 --> 00:27:11.140
  • and so finally the contractor one night said,
  • 00:27:11.140 --> 00:27:13.260
  • listen, we need X amount of boards cut and I forget
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  • the number and so, the precise answer may be
  • 00:27:17.260 --> 00:27:21.180
  • a little different, but it was something like,
  • 00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:23.270
  • we need 100 2 X 4s cut to 8 foot in length,
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  • something of that nature.
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  • And so, he was excited.
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  • After the crew left he was out there cutting these boards
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  • and he took his tape measure.
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  • He measured 8 feet for the first one and he cut that board
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  • and he thought it'd be a lot quicker if he just used
  • 00:27:37.270 --> 00:27:39.290
  • that next board as a template and so he put the tape
  • 00:27:39.290 --> 00:27:43.050
  • measure away, put the next board on top of the next
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  • board to be cut.
  • 00:27:46.230 --> 00:27:48.070
  • He drew a line and cut it and then he took the newly cut
  • 00:27:48.070 --> 00:27:51.070
  • board and put it on the next piece and marked it and cut.
  • 00:27:51.070 --> 00:27:55.010
  • The problem is every time you do that the new one
  • 00:27:55.010 --> 00:27:58.230
  • you cut is about an eighth of an inch longer
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  • than the previous one which is fine if you're cutting
  • 00:28:00.270 --> 00:28:03.160
  • three or four boards, but when you cut 100 you actually
  • 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.120
  • end up with boards that are nine feet long
  • 00:28:06.120 --> 00:28:09.060
  • instead of eight feet long and that's what he did
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  • and what we've done in church history is we compare
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  • ourselves with each other and with a previous generation
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  • instead of with the original standard.
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  • Jesus is the original standard.
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  • He's the original measurement.
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  • He walked in the fullness of the presence of God
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  • and in power and he brought a redemptive solution
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  • to every single conflict he met.
  • 00:28:29.250 --> 00:28:32.070
  • Didn't matter if it was a storm,
  • 00:28:32.070 --> 00:28:33.260
  • didn't matter if it was a child that was about
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  • to be buried, he raised the child.
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  • Every broken situation he ran into he brought
  • 00:28:38.090 --> 00:28:41.220
  • a redemptive solution and it's the only standard
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  • worth following and I may never do it well,
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  • but I don't have the right to change the assignment.
  • 00:28:46.290 --> 00:28:49.010
  • - Wow, I love that because I think we all need to be
  • 00:28:49.010 --> 00:28:52.260
  • reminded of that.
  • 00:28:52.260 --> 00:28:54.000
  • - Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:55.190
  • - You know, that he is the example, he is the one we follow.
  • 00:28:55.190 --> 00:28:58.270
  • The mandate and the great commission that he spoke.
  • 00:28:58.270 --> 00:29:01.150
  • - You know, what's funny about what you're saying though
  • 00:29:01.150 --> 00:29:03.270
  • is everyone knows that, but when you really practically
  • 00:29:03.270 --> 00:29:08.030
  • break it down, you know you know it, but you don't
  • 00:29:08.030 --> 00:29:11.110
  • really think about it the way we're kinda talking
  • 00:29:11.110 --> 00:29:13.210
  • about it now.
  • 00:29:13.210 --> 00:29:15.070
  • Certainly, he's the example we strive to be like him,
  • 00:29:15.070 --> 00:29:17.020
  • be like Jesus, follow Jesus, but the idea.
  • 00:29:17.020 --> 00:29:20.030
  • - Then, somebody else gets in the way.
  • 00:29:20.030 --> 00:29:21.180
  • - The way that he transformed his culture
  • 00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:26.040
  • at every setting that he came into is really
  • 00:29:26.040 --> 00:29:29.140
  • what we're breaking down in The Way of Life.
  • 00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:31.150
  • - Yep, yep.
  • 00:29:31.150 --> 00:29:32.150
  • - To see transformational change.
  • 00:29:32.150 --> 00:29:34.180
  • - Where the answer is always Jesus.
  • 00:29:34.180 --> 00:29:37.220
  • - Yeah, yeah, I constantly refer to Jesus as
  • 00:29:37.220 --> 00:29:41.190
  • Jesus Christ is perfect theology.
  • 00:29:41.190 --> 00:29:43.150
  • - Yes. - Oh, nice.
  • 00:29:43.150 --> 00:29:44.260
  • - He is the perfect representation of the Father.
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  • The Father was not represented well in the Old Testament
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  • because there were other things that needed
  • 00:29:51.110 --> 00:29:52.240
  • to be dealt with.
  • 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.010
  • The severity of sin, the absence of a solution
  • 00:29:54.010 --> 00:29:57.270
  • apart from the coming lamb of God, so there were
  • 00:29:57.270 --> 00:30:00.040
  • several things that had to be established,
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  • but in the New Testament Jesus reveals the Father.
  • 00:30:01.190 --> 00:30:04.110
  • Hebrews says he is the exact representation
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  • of his nature.
  • 00:30:07.090 --> 00:30:08.250
  • - My goodness, okay.
  • 00:30:08.250 --> 00:30:10.270
  • Do you need the book to go to where you wanted
  • 00:30:10.270 --> 00:30:13.170
  • to go to when we were inside?
  • 00:30:13.170 --> 00:30:14.260
  • - No.
  • 00:30:14.260 --> 00:30:15.250
  • - Okay, you know where to go?
  • 00:30:15.250 --> 00:30:16.200
  • - When I became a pastor
  • 00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.200
  • I was newly married, I had been married a few years,
  • 00:30:20.050 --> 00:30:24.060
  • five or six years, seven years, something like that,
  • 00:30:25.190 --> 00:30:27.140
  • and I had two children.
  • 00:30:27.140 --> 00:30:31.000
  • I wanted more than anything for my children
  • 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.160
  • to serve God with all of their hearts.
  • 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.030
  • We ended up with a third child a little bit later,
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  • but that was my ambition.
  • 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.000
  • My ambition was just to be a good dad
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  • and a good husband.
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  • That was it.
  • 00:30:42.290 --> 00:30:44.110
  • I was a pastor, that mattered to me, but it took
  • 00:30:44.110 --> 00:30:47.180
  • second seat to being a good husband and a good dad.
  • 00:30:47.180 --> 00:30:51.190
  • And, but I struggled a bit because I had been taught
  • 00:30:51.190 --> 00:30:56.170
  • that when you, when you're a pastor God is number one,
  • 00:30:56.170 --> 00:31:00.030
  • which is absolutely right, family is number two,
  • 00:31:00.030 --> 00:31:03.260
  • ministry is number three and you go down this list.
  • 00:31:03.260 --> 00:31:06.140
  • And so, I look at the people in our church
  • 00:31:06.140 --> 00:31:08.030
  • and we've got real estate guys and God is number one,
  • 00:31:08.030 --> 00:31:11.020
  • family's number two, real estate is number three.
  • 00:31:11.020 --> 00:31:13.140
  • You know, you go down this list, hobby's number four,
  • 00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:15.130
  • whatever, and the problem I had was you have to leave one
  • 00:31:15.130 --> 00:31:19.190
  • to do the other and I came to a discovery
  • 00:31:19.190 --> 00:31:23.100
  • that when God is number one there is no number two
  • 00:31:23.100 --> 00:31:26.000
  • and then I began to see, a comment I made earlier,
  • 00:31:27.220 --> 00:31:30.170
  • Israel approached work as worship and I began to see
  • 00:31:30.170 --> 00:31:34.140
  • everything in my life that is legitimate
  • 00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:37.090
  • is to be done as unto the Lord.
  • 00:31:38.140 --> 00:31:40.120
  • So, everything is as unto the Lord.
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  • It should be done with all of my might
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  • and is to be done as an offering to God.
  • 00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:47.170
  • So, it doesn't matter if I'm preaching
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  • in some foreign country to 10.000 people
  • 00:31:49.270 --> 00:31:53.240
  • or I'm on a vacation with my wife, both are equally
  • 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.050
  • designed by the Lord to be a tool in which
  • 00:31:57.050 --> 00:32:00.170
  • I give him glory.
  • 00:32:00.170 --> 00:32:02.060
  • What it does, it to me,
  • 00:32:02.060 --> 00:32:06.040
  • being driven works against kingdom
  • 00:32:07.250 --> 00:32:11.000
  • so I work with our folks.
  • 00:32:12.080 --> 00:32:13.230
  • I say, listen, don't be driven because you measure
  • 00:32:13.230 --> 00:32:16.080
  • your success by your accomplishments, be focused,
  • 00:32:16.080 --> 00:32:19.060
  • be focused so that everything you do is as unto the Lord,
  • 00:32:19.060 --> 00:32:22.250
  • that you have the ability to take a nap when you take
  • 00:32:22.250 --> 00:32:25.190
  • a nap without feeling guilty because you're not
  • 00:32:25.190 --> 00:32:28.040
  • out performing, you're not out doing something.
  • 00:32:28.040 --> 00:32:30.090
  • That was so necessary for me to see that,
  • 00:32:30.090 --> 00:32:32.210
  • a big deal for me is giving to missions
  • 00:32:32.210 --> 00:32:37.080
  • has been a huge part of my life since I was
  • 00:32:37.080 --> 00:32:38.290
  • just a young man and so, I would, you know,
  • 00:32:38.290 --> 00:32:41.200
  • when you do something right there's a certain reward
  • 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.250
  • you get in your heart because you obeyed the Lord.
  • 00:32:44.250 --> 00:32:46.270
  • You can hear him say, well done good and faithful servant.
  • 00:32:46.270 --> 00:32:49.130
  • That's a huge part of our life in Christ is we did
  • 00:32:49.130 --> 00:32:52.110
  • what we were supposed to do.
  • 00:32:52.110 --> 00:32:53.180
  • I don't broadcast it.
  • 00:32:53.180 --> 00:32:55.030
  • I don't let anyone know, just in my heart of hearts
  • 00:32:55.030 --> 00:32:56.280
  • I know I did exactly what he required of me
  • 00:32:56.280 --> 00:32:59.170
  • and I would have pleasure in sacrificing
  • 00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:02.210
  • material goods to support the word of the gospel
  • 00:33:02.210 --> 00:33:05.180
  • around the world.
  • 00:33:05.180 --> 00:33:06.280
  • What I gave myself to was to also take care
  • 00:33:06.280 --> 00:33:11.140
  • of my children and my wife, but I didn't receive
  • 00:33:11.140 --> 00:33:14.110
  • the same kind of pleasure from it because I thought
  • 00:33:14.110 --> 00:33:17.100
  • it was separate from my service unto the Lord,
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  • if that makes sense.
  • 00:33:20.020 --> 00:33:21.080
  • - Yes.
  • 00:33:21.080 --> 00:33:22.220
  • - My gift for missions, that's obviously spiritual.
  • 00:33:22.220 --> 00:33:24.070
  • Buy a bicycle for my son, it's nice, but it's not
  • 00:33:24.070 --> 00:33:28.070
  • necessarily spiritual, except it is.
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  • When you do it to the least of these
  • 00:33:32.210 --> 00:33:33.220
  • you've done it to me.
  • 00:33:33.220 --> 00:33:35.070
  • He actually takes pleasure in everything that we do
  • 00:33:35.070 --> 00:33:38.110
  • that is truly, first of all, Biblical,
  • 00:33:38.110 --> 00:33:41.220
  • and in the context of our life's responsibility
  • 00:33:41.220 --> 00:33:44.180
  • everything becomes an offering to him
  • 00:33:44.180 --> 00:33:46.240
  • and when I saw that you see that in scripture
  • 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.180
  • fire falls on sacrifice so that means everything
  • 00:33:49.180 --> 00:33:53.040
  • that I do for him, taking care of my wife, my kids,
  • 00:33:53.040 --> 00:33:58.030
  • going out to lunch with a friend, preaching the gospel,
  • 00:33:58.030 --> 00:34:01.130
  • praying for the sick, everything that I do for him
  • 00:34:01.130 --> 00:34:03.270
  • as unto him attracts the presence into that environment.
  • 00:34:03.270 --> 00:34:08.070
  • So now you see the medical doctor that serves his patients
  • 00:34:08.070 --> 00:34:13.070
  • well, when he does that as unto the Lord, he actually
  • 00:34:14.210 --> 00:34:16.080
  • attracts a manifestation of presence into that environment
  • 00:34:16.080 --> 00:34:20.230
  • simply because it was used as an offering.
  • 00:34:20.230 --> 00:34:23.230
  • This is where we bring transformations.
  • 00:34:23.230 --> 00:34:25.150
  • We learn that when God is number one there is no number two.
  • 00:34:25.150 --> 00:34:28.130
  • - Right.
  • 00:34:28.130 --> 00:34:29.180
  • - I don't have to leave my service to God
  • 00:34:29.180 --> 00:34:30.250
  • to care for my wife.
  • 00:34:30.250 --> 00:34:32.060
  • I actually care for my wife as unto the Lord
  • 00:34:32.060 --> 00:34:35.070
  • and he receives it as worship.
  • 00:34:35.070 --> 00:34:37.190
  • - You know, I remember my grandmother taking care
  • 00:34:37.190 --> 00:34:40.010
  • of my grandfather and you know, she needed help
  • 00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:43.270
  • and we were all kinda and she would go, I just do that
  • 00:34:43.270 --> 00:34:46.120
  • as unto the Lord.
  • 00:34:46.120 --> 00:34:47.180
  • And, that was always her beautiful attitude,
  • 00:34:47.180 --> 00:34:50.200
  • I just do it as unto the Lord.
  • 00:34:50.200 --> 00:34:53.010
  • It's hard, it's tough, I do it as unto the Lord.
  • 00:34:53.010 --> 00:34:56.120
  • - That's beautiful.
  • 00:34:56.120 --> 00:34:57.190
  • - You know, and she was just fine.
  • 00:34:57.190 --> 00:34:59.110
  • - You know, what it makes me think my simplified version
  • 00:35:00.270 --> 00:35:05.080
  • of you is, to say that the Lord is more interested
  • 00:35:06.210 --> 00:35:10.290
  • in every aspect than you think he is.
  • 00:35:10.290 --> 00:35:13.090
  • - Exactly.
  • 00:35:13.090 --> 00:35:14.170
  • - He is more interested and you can benefit more
  • 00:35:14.170 --> 00:35:18.280
  • than you realize.
  • 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.090
  • And so, we're talking about The Way of Life.
  • 00:35:20.090 --> 00:35:23.290
  • We're in Redding, California.
  • 00:35:23.290 --> 00:35:26.020
  • There's a lizard on a rock right behind the building.
  • 00:35:26.020 --> 00:35:28.130
  • - I hear rustling in the leaves.
  • 00:35:28.130 --> 00:35:30.040
  • - It's a good size lizard.
  • 00:35:30.040 --> 00:35:32.020
  • - Squirrels everywhere.
  • 00:35:32.020 --> 00:35:33.170
  • - And you'll know it if it runs over here and goes
  • 00:35:33.170 --> 00:35:35.180
  • up the chair and gets anywhere near here,
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  • you're gonna know it.
  • 00:35:37.120 --> 00:35:39.160
  • It's a beautiful day.
  • 00:35:39.160 --> 00:35:41.010
  • By the way, the weather couldn't be any prettier.
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  • It's gorgeous and we're in northern California.
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  • The Way of Life, the 800 number's on the screen.
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  • We're talking about transformation and I keep
  • 00:35:49.020 --> 00:35:54.020
  • getting back to the thing and I wanna go on again.
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  • Did you go into Chapter 10?
  • 00:35:57.200 --> 00:35:59.090
  • Did you do that?
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  • - The Power of Assumptions.
  • 00:36:00.140 --> 00:36:01.210
  • - No, it was the Power of Worship was the one.
  • 00:36:01.210 --> 00:36:04.120
  • - Okay, you're gonna get into that in a second.
  • 00:36:04.120 --> 00:36:06.240
  • Let's do that in a second, but what we're really,
  • 00:36:06.240 --> 00:36:09.120
  • what we're really do is breaking down,
  • 00:36:09.120 --> 00:36:11.140
  • and I keep thinking that one of the most important things
  • 00:36:11.140 --> 00:36:15.210
  • to think about is often times we think that you know,
  • 00:36:15.210 --> 00:36:20.210
  • even a show like this on Christian TV or church service
  • 00:36:22.020 --> 00:36:25.250
  • is the end of the game.
  • 00:36:26.170 --> 00:36:28.220
  • It's not.
  • 00:36:28.220 --> 00:36:29.200
  • These are preparation moments.
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  • Learning tools, so that all of us go in and start
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  • transforming the industry.
  • 00:36:37.140 --> 00:36:39.140
  • We need to transform you know, Netflix.
  • 00:36:39.140 --> 00:36:42.160
  • We need to transform, in our world, we need to get
  • 00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:45.210
  • deeper into content.
  • 00:36:45.210 --> 00:36:48.050
  • We need to start getting content that goes
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  • into the secular marketplace and we're seeing
  • 00:36:51.040 --> 00:36:53.210
  • a little bit of this pastor.
  • 00:36:53.210 --> 00:36:55.210
  • We're, you know, we're creating pretty high end
  • 00:36:55.210 --> 00:36:58.110
  • content called Drive Through History, for instance.
  • 00:36:58.110 --> 00:37:01.140
  • We'll use that as an example.
  • 00:37:01.140 --> 00:37:02.290
  • And Drive Through History is now being inquired about
  • 00:37:02.290 --> 00:37:07.040
  • and even acquired by secular television networks
  • 00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:10.250
  • outside the United States.
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  • So, one of them is in Taiwan.
  • 00:37:12.130 --> 00:37:14.280
  • It's kind of the leading news channel of Taiwan
  • 00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:19.280
  • and they have a 35% market share in their broadcasting
  • 00:37:21.110 --> 00:37:24.220
  • and they're going to be paying a licensing fee
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  • to TBN for our content because of the way we created
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  • it has kind of a history spin to it.
  • 00:37:32.010 --> 00:37:35.050
  • Israel is important and we're seeing this now
  • 00:37:35.050 --> 00:37:39.060
  • start to happen around our new animation.
  • 00:37:39.060 --> 00:37:42.260
  • TBN is now creating the new Veggie Tales episodes
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  • and working with NBC Universal as a partner in that.
  • 00:37:47.120 --> 00:37:52.010
  • And so, we have 50 something new episodes underway,
  • 00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:55.160
  • getting ready to relaunch the brand in a way
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  • that it used to be that all of us know about,
  • 00:37:58.120 --> 00:38:01.040
  • so transforming, getting content out into the world
  • 00:38:01.040 --> 00:38:04.160
  • is maybe the application for us, the way I'm
  • 00:38:04.160 --> 00:38:07.140
  • interpreting who and what you are, but it's like
  • 00:38:07.140 --> 00:38:11.050
  • you're giving us all permission in whatever field
  • 00:38:11.050 --> 00:38:13.180
  • we're in to transform the field that we're in.
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  • And that can happen because as you do your job,
  • 00:38:16.090 --> 00:38:19.080
  • unto the Lord, the manifest presence of the Lord there
  • 00:38:19.080 --> 00:38:21.130
  • and anything can happen there.
  • 00:38:21.130 --> 00:38:22.280
  • That's where raises come from and promotions
  • 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.130
  • and wise ideas that the boss gets to hear about
  • 00:38:25.130 --> 00:38:29.230
  • and promote you and then all of a sudden you're
  • 00:38:29.230 --> 00:38:32.130
  • leading a division of a company and have
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  • a greater influence.
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  • Is that good, am I on track?
  • 00:38:36.010 --> 00:38:37.170
  • - Absolutely.
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  • For those of us who have, more Pentecostal,
  • 00:38:38.240 --> 00:38:43.190
  • charismatic backgrounds, emphasis for many years
  • 00:38:43.190 --> 00:38:47.070
  • has been empower, which it should be because
  • 00:38:47.070 --> 00:38:49.060
  • there is no gospel without power.
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  • It has to change a life.
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  • But, the Old Testament context for the fullness
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  • of the spirit was actually seen in wisdom
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  • as mentioned with a guy named Bezaleel,
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  • the guy who helped Moses in building the tabernacle.
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  • So the point is, it's the context of the two.
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  • Power will bring a revival as to say, a great move of God.
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  • Wisdom sustains it.
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  • Wisdom sustains it and translates it into a secular
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  • environment to bring about the intended change.
  • 00:39:17.220 --> 00:39:20.120
  • And when we fail to move beyond what happens
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  • in the four walls of the church and we don't know
  • 00:39:23.240 --> 00:39:26.010
  • how to translate, say for example, the power of God
  • 00:39:26.010 --> 00:39:29.220
  • touches an individual and they are just glued
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  • to their chair for two hours and can't move
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  • 'cause the power of God is on them and they get up
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  • with no fear of man.
  • 00:39:37.010 --> 00:39:39.060
  • So, how do you translate revival from the four walls
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  • of the church to a secular environment?
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  • Now, go into the marketplace and they're willing
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  • to take a stand for something at work that they
  • 00:39:48.080 --> 00:39:50.090
  • wouldn't have taken a stand for a day or two earlier.
  • 00:39:50.090 --> 00:39:53.160
  • They now are willing to withstand opposition,
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  • not arrogantly, but in grace, to stand for something
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  • that's right that eventually becomes the standard
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  • or the model that the entire business rotates around.
  • 00:40:05.240 --> 00:40:08.130
  • It wouldn't have happened without that divine encounter.
  • 00:40:08.130 --> 00:40:11.010
  • So, we need the grace to translate what I refer
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  • to as power, wisdom into a secular setting
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  • and that's wisdom.
  • 00:40:17.250 --> 00:40:19.240
  • - Okay, never heard that before.
  • 00:40:19.240 --> 00:40:22.080
  • That happens to me a lot when I listen to you.
  • 00:40:22.080 --> 00:40:24.100
  • - Pastor Bill Johnson is one of the greatest
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  • Bible teachers ever.
  • 00:40:30.110 --> 00:40:32.060
  • - Prior to the Holy Spirit in Acts, Chapter Two,
  • 00:40:32.060 --> 00:40:37.060
  • we, the manifest presence of God was manifest
  • 00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:43.150
  • through wisdom, so in the Old Testament
  • 00:40:43.150 --> 00:40:45.100
  • the power of God came out through wisdom,
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  • the ability to build something that you wouldn't
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  • have had the normal wisdom to do.
  • 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.080
  • - Yeah, the way I would put it is, Bezaleel,
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  • in Exodus, I think it's 32, the Lord says I will,
  • 00:40:56.210 --> 00:41:01.000
  • I will, he filled him with the spirit, the first person
  • 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.220
  • filled with the spirit in the Bible was Bezaleel
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  • and it was for the purpose of wisdom for the purpose
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  • of creativity.
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  • So, working with stone, working with wood, with fabrics.
  • 00:41:13.060 --> 00:41:15.160
  • He had this grace to just work with this stuff
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  • with artistic expression, so then we come to the concept
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  • of wisdom and we see that wisdom then has probably
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  • dozens of expressions, but there's three
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  • that stand out to me.
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  • The first one is creativity.
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  • The second one is excellence.
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  • The third one is integrity.
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  • You see, those three themes interwoven throughout
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  • the book of Proverbs and so with Bezaleel,
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  • we have wisdom manifest through creativity
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  • and through excellence and of course, there was integrity,
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  • his building something for the presence.
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  • So, we see those three manifestations.
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  • That's Old Testament.
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  • New Testament's is power.
  • 00:41:49.080 --> 00:41:51.070
  • When God reveals a new truth, he doesn't
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  • abolish the previous.
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  • He said, I no longer call you servants.
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  • I call you friends.
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  • When you became a friend of God you didn't stop serving.
  • 00:42:00.060 --> 00:42:03.140
  • Servanthood became the context into which friendship
  • 00:42:03.140 --> 00:42:06.160
  • was established.
  • 00:42:06.160 --> 00:42:07.280
  • It would be like the diamond in a ring.
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  • Power becomes, wisdom becomes the context
  • 00:42:11.040 --> 00:42:14.080
  • into which power receives a setting
  • 00:42:14.080 --> 00:42:16.130
  • and it's when the two work together we have transformation.
  • 00:42:17.240 --> 00:42:20.020
  • It's when we separate the two that we don't bring
  • 00:42:20.020 --> 00:42:23.270
  • the change that we need.
  • 00:42:23.270 --> 00:42:25.000
  • - Wow.
  • 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:25.250
  • - Wow.
  • 00:42:25.250 --> 00:42:27.030
  • - When you said diamond and setting you looked
  • 00:42:27.030 --> 00:42:28.120
  • near my ring and mine's rubber, so.
  • 00:42:28.120 --> 00:42:31.240
  • (laughing)
  • 00:42:31.240 --> 00:42:33.080
  • - I don't either, but mine's better than yours.
  • 00:42:33.080 --> 00:42:36.160
  • - Mine's rubber.
  • 00:42:37.140 --> 00:42:38.240
  • So, we're in northern California.
  • 00:42:40.030 --> 00:42:43.010
  • It's a beautiful day here, absolutely stunning.
  • 00:42:43.010 --> 00:42:45.110
  • We're sitting doing one of the funnest things
  • 00:42:45.110 --> 00:42:47.170
  • in the world, breaking down The Way of Life,
  • 00:42:47.170 --> 00:42:50.210
  • Experiencing the Culture of Heaven on Earth.
  • 00:42:50.210 --> 00:42:54.100
  • - You know what?
  • 00:42:54.100 --> 00:42:55.250
  • I don't think I've ever seen or met anybody who is
  • 00:42:55.250 --> 00:42:58.170
  • more a cheerleader for other people than Bill Johnson.
  • 00:42:58.170 --> 00:43:03.190
  • - That's cool, thank you, thanks.
  • 00:43:04.230 --> 00:43:05.260
  • - You are not intimidated by anybody.
  • 00:43:05.260 --> 00:43:09.240
  • You give a platform to so many and you bless them forward.
  • 00:43:09.240 --> 00:43:14.240
  • That's rare.
  • 00:43:15.200 --> 00:43:17.040
  • You know, and you do it with all the people I know,
  • 00:43:17.040 --> 00:43:20.230
  • you do it best.
  • 00:43:20.230 --> 00:43:21.240
  • It's amazing.
  • 00:43:21.240 --> 00:43:23.060
  • - Yeah, very kind, thanks.
  • 00:43:23.060 --> 00:43:24.210
  • - Okay, move into whatever you're gonna move into.
  • 00:43:24.210 --> 00:43:27.000
  • - I do love that.
  • 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.030
  • - You know, I'm hoping to do a book on finances
  • 00:43:30.140 --> 00:43:34.140
  • at some point.
  • 00:43:34.140 --> 00:43:35.290
  • Chris just did a great one on wealth and prosperity
  • 00:43:35.290 --> 00:43:38.170
  • and it's very healthy.
  • 00:43:38.170 --> 00:43:40.120
  • It's not a perversion of either exalting lack
  • 00:43:40.120 --> 00:43:45.120
  • or making spiritual money.
  • 00:43:46.080 --> 00:43:49.230
  • The more you have the more spiritual you are.
  • 00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.190
  • Both are errors.
  • 00:43:52.190 --> 00:43:54.030
  • But, I wanna write one some day, just based on this
  • 00:43:54.030 --> 00:43:57.140
  • particular chapter.
  • 00:43:57.140 --> 00:43:58.280
  • I'm hoping to have the liberty to do that at some point,
  • 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.210
  • but here's the approach.
  • 00:44:00.210 --> 00:44:02.050
  • Heaven has no lack and that culture's supposed to be
  • 00:44:02.050 --> 00:44:06.060
  • the culture here.
  • 00:44:06.060 --> 00:44:08.110
  • There is no lack.
  • 00:44:08.110 --> 00:44:09.170
  • Jesus lived with a perception of what was available
  • 00:44:10.270 --> 00:44:15.240
  • in the kingdom that was tangible.
  • 00:44:17.060 --> 00:44:19.170
  • Now, let me rephrase that.
  • 00:44:19.170 --> 00:44:21.150
  • He saw a crowd that needed to be fed,
  • 00:44:21.150 --> 00:44:24.010
  • was not intimidated because he only had a boy's lunch
  • 00:44:24.010 --> 00:44:27.130
  • because from heaven's perspective it's more than enough.
  • 00:44:27.130 --> 00:44:30.150
  • In fact, he started with five loaves and fed 5000 people,
  • 00:44:30.150 --> 00:44:35.140
  • men, besides women and children and had 12 baskets
  • 00:44:36.250 --> 00:44:39.170
  • left over.
  • 00:44:39.170 --> 00:44:41.010
  • When he started with more, seven loaves, he fed a smaller
  • 00:44:41.010 --> 00:44:44.180
  • group of people, 4000 men, and had seven baskets left over.
  • 00:44:44.180 --> 00:44:48.220
  • So, the less he started with the more he fed
  • 00:44:48.220 --> 00:44:51.010
  • and the more he had left over.
  • 00:44:51.010 --> 00:44:52.170
  • So, the kingdom of heaven has a perception of amounts,
  • 00:44:52.170 --> 00:44:56.280
  • restrictions, limitations, that we don't have.
  • 00:44:58.090 --> 00:45:00.270
  • We see numbers as restrictions.
  • 00:45:00.270 --> 00:45:04.070
  • He sees them as opportunities.
  • 00:45:04.070 --> 00:45:06.200
  • And so, the renewed mind becomes evident when the impossible
  • 00:45:06.200 --> 00:45:11.200
  • is logical and so, his perception of things was completely
  • 00:45:13.060 --> 00:45:15.290
  • different, so this issue of abundance,
  • 00:45:15.290 --> 00:45:17.230
  • my favorite verse on this subject and perhaps yours,
  • 00:45:17.230 --> 00:45:21.230
  • would be the one in 3 John, where he says, may you prosper
  • 00:45:21.230 --> 00:45:25.010
  • and be in good health even as your soul prospers.
  • 00:45:25.010 --> 00:45:27.170
  • So, the emphasis is on internal health,
  • 00:45:27.170 --> 00:45:30.180
  • is on internal health.
  • 00:45:30.180 --> 00:45:32.000
  • So, when Jesus was able to sleep in a storm
  • 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.210
  • it was because he had peace.
  • 00:45:35.210 --> 00:45:37.040
  • When he was awakened from the storm he spoke peace
  • 00:45:38.200 --> 00:45:41.210
  • and the storm stopped, so his internal reality
  • 00:45:41.210 --> 00:45:45.080
  • redefined the world that he was in.
  • 00:45:45.080 --> 00:45:47.130
  • Because he had victory here he was able to implement
  • 00:45:48.250 --> 00:45:52.020
  • that victory and redefine the nature of his surroundings.
  • 00:45:52.020 --> 00:45:55.020
  • That's why Jesus said the kingdom is within you.
  • 00:45:56.140 --> 00:45:59.010
  • All kingdom issues are heart issues.
  • 00:45:59.010 --> 00:46:01.220
  • So, once you get the victory here, you're positioned
  • 00:46:01.220 --> 00:46:04.210
  • to release the victory for others to benefit from
  • 00:46:04.210 --> 00:46:07.060
  • and to enjoy.
  • 00:46:07.060 --> 00:46:08.090
  • So, this kingdom of abundance, Jesus starts warning
  • 00:46:09.210 --> 00:46:12.260
  • his disciples about the dangers of wealth
  • 00:46:12.260 --> 00:46:16.130
  • and he says it's hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom
  • 00:46:16.130 --> 00:46:19.160
  • and Peter says, we left everything to follow you.
  • 00:46:19.160 --> 00:46:24.040
  • And Jesus said, that's right, and I will add 100 times
  • 00:46:24.040 --> 00:46:28.000
  • as much of what you left back into your life.
  • 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.170
  • That's, to me that's one of the most humorous stories
  • 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.220
  • because it's almost like Jesus was holding up money
  • 00:46:34.220 --> 00:46:36.250
  • and saying be careful, this will kill you.
  • 00:46:36.250 --> 00:46:38.270
  • And Peter says, we left all of it.
  • 00:46:38.270 --> 00:46:40.130
  • And Jesus said, that's right and I'm gonna add 100 times
  • 00:46:40.130 --> 00:46:42.260
  • as much back in your life as what will kill you.
  • 00:46:42.260 --> 00:46:46.040
  • In other words, because you trusted me without
  • 00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:48.150
  • I can trust you with.
  • 00:46:48.150 --> 00:46:50.280
  • That's what God did with Israel.
  • 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.110
  • He brought them into the wilderness.
  • 00:46:52.110 --> 00:46:54.260
  • They had all the gold of Egypt, but nowhere to spend it.
  • 00:46:56.060 --> 00:46:58.260
  • The gold that built the tabernacle also built
  • 00:47:00.030 --> 00:47:03.040
  • the golden calf so blessing always has a dual possibility
  • 00:47:03.040 --> 00:47:06.080
  • to it.
  • 00:47:06.080 --> 00:47:07.260
  • And so, he trained them to trust him daily for the manna,
  • 00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:12.120
  • the cloud by day, the fire by night, all that stuff,
  • 00:47:12.120 --> 00:47:15.270
  • was the training for them to go where he wanted them
  • 00:47:15.270 --> 00:47:18.130
  • to go which was into a land of abundance
  • 00:47:18.130 --> 00:47:20.190
  • because in abundance, used correctly, your position,
  • 00:47:20.190 --> 00:47:23.290
  • if I can use New Testament terminology, in abundance
  • 00:47:23.290 --> 00:47:27.070
  • used correctly you're able to disciple nations
  • 00:47:27.070 --> 00:47:29.060
  • and that's the call.
  • 00:47:29.060 --> 00:47:31.000
  • - When somebody is going through a crisis
  • 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.110
  • and whatever that crisis is, a divorce,
  • 00:47:36.090 --> 00:47:39.170
  • a bankruptcy, you know whatever society calls the crisis,
  • 00:47:39.170 --> 00:47:44.080
  • you know what I mean, and there's zillions of them,
  • 00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:47.120
  • isn't that an opportunity then, if the perception
  • 00:47:47.120 --> 00:47:52.120
  • of lack, we have a small lunch and we have a buncha
  • 00:47:54.050 --> 00:47:58.000
  • hungry people, that was an opportunity.
  • 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.230
  • That would have been a bad situation for most of us
  • 00:48:00.230 --> 00:48:04.040
  • present day.
  • 00:48:04.040 --> 00:48:05.130
  • We only have so much food and there's
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  • a buncha people to feed.
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  • So, isn't a negative thing often an opportunity
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  • to see God do something you have never seen done.
  • 00:48:12.110 --> 00:48:14.220
  • - It always is 'cause he's a redemptive,
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  • he's a redemptive God.
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  • Here's the way, here's the way I look at it.
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  • In the Old Testament God revealed himself
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  • in the heat of the day as a cloud,
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  • in the cold of the night as a fire.
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  • He always reveals himself opposite to his surroundings.
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  • - Oh my goodness.
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  • - So, how does he reveal himself in a recession?
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Abundance.
  • 00:48:38.200 --> 00:48:39.150
  • - Exactly.
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  • - Health and sickness.
  • 00:48:40.220 --> 00:48:41.250
  • - Exactly.
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  • It's because then what happens didn't happen
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  • just because of our talent.
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  • It actually happened because of supernatural invasion.
  • 00:48:48.070 --> 00:48:51.040
  • It happened because God invaded a new possibility
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  • and unless we live on the edge where we're constantly
  • 00:48:53.270 --> 00:48:57.130
  • invading the impossible, we're doing things mostly
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  • from our gifting which is fine, but our gifting
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  • where we can actually receive the credit and the glory.
  • 00:49:04.030 --> 00:49:06.000
  • - You said invasion several times.
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  • Let's just make sure that helicopter is a friendly one.
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  • It's actually behind the trees.
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  • So, we're outside.
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  • It is Redding, California.
  • 00:49:17.060 --> 00:49:19.100
  • We are up in the mountains.
  • 00:49:19.100 --> 00:49:20.210
  • What elevation roughly are we at?
  • 00:49:20.210 --> 00:49:22.160
  • - I'm not even sure.
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  • Redding's 500 feet and this is quite a bit higher,
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  • so should be couple hundred feet, couple thousand.
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  • - Yeah, couple thousand feet maybe and we're here,
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  • we are sitting with Bill Johnson.
  • 00:49:31.050 --> 00:49:33.270
  • Bill, we've got about 10 minutes left
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  • and I love breaking down what we're breaking down,
  • 00:49:37.220 --> 00:49:41.240
  • but couple of things I want to just prepare for.
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  • I'd love for you to pray that this message
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  • infiltrates the hearts of people, that we don't
  • 00:49:51.210 --> 00:49:54.100
  • just sit here and talk about it without a result
  • 00:49:54.100 --> 00:49:58.040
  • that you know, but I feel like we're fulfilling
  • 00:49:58.040 --> 00:50:02.040
  • something that what we're really talking about
  • 00:50:02.040 --> 00:50:06.060
  • is fulfillment of the prayer, Jesus, thy kingdom come,
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  • thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven
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  • and seeing how that happened and in case somebody
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  • hasn't seen the beginning of this.
  • 00:50:17.190 --> 00:50:21.040
  • First of all, the TBN app is available.
  • 00:50:21.040 --> 00:50:23.130
  • You can go to the app and you can watch the whole episode
  • 00:50:23.130 --> 00:50:27.170
  • again and I encourage you to do that.
  • 00:50:27.170 --> 00:50:29.110
  • And by the way, if you think you have the app,
  • 00:50:29.110 --> 00:50:31.060
  • we just redid it so unless you have the version
  • 00:50:31.060 --> 00:50:34.100
  • that looks kinda like Netflix you don't have the new one,
  • 00:50:34.100 --> 00:50:37.060
  • so get the new one and the information is on the screen
  • 00:50:37.060 --> 00:50:39.250
  • on how to do that, but this episode and every Praise
  • 00:50:39.250 --> 00:50:43.290
  • episode and many other episodes are there.
  • 00:50:43.290 --> 00:50:46.100
  • But, two things.
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  • I want you to pray for people in whatever situation
  • 00:50:50.030 --> 00:50:53.290
  • or tragedy or conflict that they find themselves in,
  • 00:50:53.290 --> 00:50:58.030
  • that there really is transformation that can happen
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  • to their situation.
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  • You'll pray, pray that and you'll do a great job.
  • 00:51:03.190 --> 00:51:05.040
  • What though, do you want someone to get,
  • 00:51:05.040 --> 00:51:09.270
  • somebody who reads every page, they're through
  • 00:51:09.270 --> 00:51:13.200
  • and they've gotten the book, what transformation,
  • 00:51:13.200 --> 00:51:16.130
  • what do you want to happen to somebody
  • 00:51:16.130 --> 00:51:17.220
  • that reads this book?
  • 00:51:17.220 --> 00:51:19.000
  • - I hope, I want people to realize there's hope
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  • regardless of the situation.
  • 00:51:23.120 --> 00:51:25.080
  • God is not nervous about anything.
  • 00:51:25.080 --> 00:51:27.110
  • There's always an answer.
  • 00:51:27.110 --> 00:51:29.010
  • Secondly, there is a purpose for every part of our life,
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  • a divine purpose that is no longer secular sacred.
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  • I want people to see the intent of God in hobbies,
  • 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.280
  • in talents and abilities and relationships,
  • 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:41.080
  • location, family heritage, all the stuff, they are
  • 00:51:41.080 --> 00:51:45.050
  • all useful tools to the Lord.
  • 00:51:45.050 --> 00:51:47.060
  • And third, I, my big dream is for the renewing of the mind.
  • 00:51:47.060 --> 00:51:52.060
  • I want, I want, I want us to learn to think
  • 00:51:53.110 --> 00:51:56.190
  • the way Jesus thought.
  • 00:51:56.190 --> 00:51:57.210
  • He just thought differently.
  • 00:51:57.210 --> 00:51:59.260
  • He thought so differently.
  • 00:51:59.260 --> 00:52:01.150
  • He saw, he saw the opportunity of a moment.
  • 00:52:01.150 --> 00:52:05.230
  • Temple tax was needed, go fishing and you'll find
  • 00:52:05.230 --> 00:52:09.070
  • a coin in the fish's mouth.
  • 00:52:09.070 --> 00:52:11.100
  • It was like he changed it up every time.
  • 00:52:11.100 --> 00:52:13.160
  • Every miracle was different than the previous
  • 00:52:13.160 --> 00:52:15.010
  • and so, the goal isn't to run a principle so I can
  • 00:52:15.010 --> 00:52:19.100
  • duplicate the last miracle, it's to learn the voice
  • 00:52:19.100 --> 00:52:22.240
  • so I can respond to what he's saying now
  • 00:52:22.240 --> 00:52:24.050
  • and that's, it's a relational journey
  • 00:52:24.050 --> 00:52:27.270
  • and he's not gonna give us a template that fits
  • 00:52:27.270 --> 00:52:29.270
  • every situation.
  • 00:52:29.270 --> 00:52:31.120
  • - A relational journey and often times what happens
  • 00:52:31.120 --> 00:52:34.090
  • though is somebody gets some kinda very specific miracle
  • 00:52:34.090 --> 00:52:37.180
  • then writes a book about it and tries to duplicate
  • 00:52:37.180 --> 00:52:40.200
  • that same thing making a doctrine out of my experience.
  • 00:52:40.200 --> 00:52:44.000
  • Jesus changes it so that you're following who he is
  • 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.230
  • and what he is rather than someone's you know,
  • 00:52:47.230 --> 00:52:50.250
  • former experience.
  • 00:52:50.250 --> 00:52:53.100
  • - You know, you were talkin' though about the kingdom
  • 00:52:53.100 --> 00:52:56.030
  • being on the inside of us.
  • 00:52:56.030 --> 00:52:58.090
  • A lotta people don't feel that.
  • 00:52:58.090 --> 00:52:59.230
  • A lotta people don't have that peace and in that storm.
  • 00:52:59.230 --> 00:53:02.100
  • A lotta people don't have that knowledge of God
  • 00:53:02.100 --> 00:53:05.140
  • is for me on the inside, you know.
  • 00:53:05.140 --> 00:53:08.250
  • How do we help those people?
  • 00:53:08.250 --> 00:53:10.190
  • - Everything we think and everything we do comes
  • 00:53:10.190 --> 00:53:12.260
  • from love or fear.
  • 00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:14.160
  • And so, if there's no realization or presence
  • 00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:17.010
  • then fear's operating.
  • 00:53:17.010 --> 00:53:18.250
  • It's one of the two.
  • 00:53:18.250 --> 00:53:20.100
  • At some point we actually have to believe we're born again.
  • 00:53:20.100 --> 00:53:23.140
  • At some point we actually have to believe
  • 00:53:23.140 --> 00:53:25.100
  • that what God said in his word is absolutely true
  • 00:53:25.100 --> 00:53:27.220
  • and if that is true, then I need, I owe him
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  • becoming aware of the God who is with me
  • 00:53:33.240 --> 00:53:36.070
  • 'cause he revealed himself as Emmanuel, the God with us
  • 00:53:36.070 --> 00:53:38.140
  • and I have an obligation.
  • 00:53:38.140 --> 00:53:40.170
  • I've got to discover that person so that I can
  • 00:53:40.170 --> 00:53:43.260
  • more effectively cooperate with him.
  • 00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:46.000
  • I can yield to him.
  • 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:47.020
  • I can be empowered by him.
  • 00:53:47.020 --> 00:53:48.070
  • I can be directed by him.
  • 00:53:48.070 --> 00:53:49.210
  • He doesn't look at any problem with nervousness or fear.
  • 00:53:49.210 --> 00:53:52.220
  • Every situation that exists on the planet right now
  • 00:53:52.220 --> 00:53:56.000
  • he has a solution in his mind and it is there.
  • 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:59.250
  • He's already told us it was his pleasure to give us
  • 00:53:59.250 --> 00:54:02.080
  • the mysteries of the kingdom.
  • 00:54:02.080 --> 00:54:03.230
  • The secret things have been given to us.
  • 00:54:03.230 --> 00:54:06.130
  • They're hidden, but they're hidden for us not from us.
  • 00:54:06.130 --> 00:54:09.000
  • And so, if we learn who we are.
  • 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.120
  • Proverbs puts it this way.
  • 00:54:11.120 --> 00:54:12.190
  • It's the glory of God to conceal a matter,
  • 00:54:12.190 --> 00:54:14.250
  • the glory of king is to search out a matter.
  • 00:54:14.250 --> 00:54:17.010
  • So, if I discover my identity as royalty
  • 00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:20.060
  • then I will embrace my assignment and seek
  • 00:54:20.060 --> 00:54:22.160
  • for the secret things.
  • 00:54:22.160 --> 00:54:23.240
  • - Beautiful, The Way of Life.
  • 00:54:23.240 --> 00:54:25.100
  • It's available.
  • 00:54:25.100 --> 00:54:26.180
  • Pray for the audience if you would, pastor.
  • 00:54:26.180 --> 00:54:28.010
  • They're just right there behind that camera.
  • 00:54:28.010 --> 00:54:29.260
  • Just love on the people and talk to 'em.
  • 00:54:29.260 --> 00:54:34.030
  • - Absolutely.
  • 00:54:34.030 --> 00:54:35.110
  • My cry is the Lord would impact you, would impact
  • 00:54:35.110 --> 00:54:38.100
  • all of us to give us the renewed mind 'cause the renewed
  • 00:54:38.100 --> 00:54:42.220
  • mind proves the will of God.
  • 00:54:42.220 --> 00:54:44.020
  • That's what he says.
  • 00:54:44.020 --> 00:54:45.170
  • He said, the will of God which is good, acceptable
  • 00:54:45.170 --> 00:54:47.130
  • and perfect, it's thinking different that enables us
  • 00:54:47.130 --> 00:54:50.250
  • to demonstrate the reality of his world and this one.
  • 00:54:50.250 --> 00:54:53.170
  • So Father, I ask through the presence and the power
  • 00:54:53.170 --> 00:54:56.250
  • of the spirit of God you would come upon every single
  • 00:54:56.250 --> 00:55:00.170
  • person watching this broadcast, every person,
  • 00:55:00.170 --> 00:55:04.180
  • that there would be such a deep and profound encounter
  • 00:55:04.180 --> 00:55:07.250
  • with you that we would become mindful of you,
  • 00:55:07.250 --> 00:55:10.220
  • we'd become mindful of your heart.
  • 00:55:10.220 --> 00:55:13.100
  • We would leak hope, we would be contagious in our hope
  • 00:55:13.100 --> 00:55:18.100
  • for situations that used to intimidate us,
  • 00:55:19.150 --> 00:55:21.230
  • that now we subject them to your purposes
  • 00:55:21.230 --> 00:55:24.140
  • and we look at them with great triumph and great victory
  • 00:55:24.140 --> 00:55:27.030
  • knowing that you've already accomplished everything
  • 00:55:27.030 --> 00:55:29.140
  • that's necessary for every situation we have
  • 00:55:29.140 --> 00:55:32.070
  • once feared to become victorious.
  • 00:55:32.070 --> 00:55:34.060
  • So, in Jesus name I pray that the hope,
  • 00:55:34.060 --> 00:55:37.110
  • that there be clarity of thought of mind,
  • 00:55:37.110 --> 00:55:39.290
  • that there be a sense of purpose that is discovered
  • 00:55:39.290 --> 00:55:43.230
  • in employment, in unemployment, in everything,
  • 00:55:43.230 --> 00:55:47.020
  • every place that we're at in life, that you would
  • 00:55:47.020 --> 00:55:49.190
  • capture the purpose of those moments and that we
  • 00:55:49.190 --> 00:55:52.120
  • can give them as offerings to you.
  • 00:55:52.120 --> 00:55:54.050
  • We look for you to come and for the fire of your presence
  • 00:55:54.050 --> 00:55:57.200
  • to fall upon the offering that we give you so that every
  • 00:55:57.200 --> 00:56:00.290
  • place of employment becomes a place of habitation,
  • 00:56:00.290 --> 00:56:04.020
  • a place where your presence, your power, your glory
  • 00:56:04.020 --> 00:56:07.190
  • is actually manifest in the earth.
  • 00:56:07.190 --> 00:56:09.270
  • God, we look to you for this.
  • 00:56:09.270 --> 00:56:11.070
  • We long for this, we hunger for this.
  • 00:56:11.070 --> 00:56:13.290
  • Let the reality of the Old Testament promised land
  • 00:56:13.290 --> 00:56:16.270
  • shape how we think and how we approach abundance,
  • 00:56:16.270 --> 00:56:19.280
  • how we approach the purpose for which we are alive
  • 00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:23.060
  • and for all of this we say, Jesus be exalted,
  • 00:56:23.060 --> 00:56:26.270
  • be glorified in everything we are, everything we do.
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  • I pray this in Jesus name, amen.
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  • Amen, amen.
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  • Whew.
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  • - Grandma, grandpa, those grandkids that you think
  • 00:56:37.100 --> 00:56:41.270
  • think different and there's somethin' wrong with 'em,
  • 00:56:43.100 --> 00:56:45.260
  • maybe this is their manifesto.
  • 00:56:45.260 --> 00:56:47.240
  • Maybe this is the way they're supposed to think.
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  • Get this book, get it for someone.
  • 00:56:50.220 --> 00:56:53.000
  • We want this message out to the world.
  • 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:56.230
  • That's why Laurie and I are sitting here
  • 00:56:56.230 --> 00:56:58.140
  • with Bill Johnson this afternoon,
  • 00:56:58.140 --> 00:56:59.290
  • beautiful day in Redding, California.
  • 00:56:59.290 --> 00:57:01.220
  • We're talking about The Way of Life.
  • 00:57:01.220 --> 00:57:03.090
  • The 800 number's on the screen.
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  • We'll see you next time.
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  • Love you Pastor Bill.
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  • Bye bye.
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