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Praise | Joyce Meyer | 9/13/18

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  • - MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON
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  • "PRAISE," FROM PALM BEACH,
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  • FLORIDA, "NEW YORK TIMES"
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  • BEST-SELLING AUTHOR AND BIBLE
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - ANNOUNCER: AND NOW MATT AND
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  • - MATT CROUCH: WE ARE IN
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  • BEAUTIFUL SOUTH FLORIDA.
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  • JOYCE MEYER, WE HAVE A VERY
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  • IMPORTANT SUBJECT: "HEALING THE
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  • SOUL OF A WOMAN."
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  • I'M MARRIED TO ONE.
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  • I'VE BEEN MARRIED TO HER FOR 33
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  • IT'S AN IMPORTANT SUBJECT TO ME.
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  • HOW ARE WE GONNA UNPACK THIS,
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  • AND WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE TALKIN'
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  • ABOUT?
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  • - JOYCE MEYER: WELL, I'LL
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  • PROBABLY TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
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  • MY STORY, BUT I THINK, SO, FIRST
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  • OF ALL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW
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  • MANY PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEIR SOUL
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  • IS.
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  • YOUR SOUL IS YOUR-- IT'S YOUR
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  • MIND, YOUR WILL, AND YOUR
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  • AND SO IT'S ALL ABOUT THE WAY
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  • YOU THINK, THE WAY YOU FEEL, AND
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  • THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE, AND
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  • SO MANY PEOPLE LOOK GREAT ON THE
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  • OUTSIDE, BUT THEY'RE CARRYING
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  • AROUND A LOT OF WOUNDS ON THE
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  • INSIDE, AND THEY ALWAYS SHOW UP
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  • THE MOST IN RELATIONSHIPS.
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  • A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN
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  • HURT BY SOMEONE OR ABUSED OR
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  • REJECTED OR MISTREATED, THEY END
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  • UP NOT LIKING THEMSELVES, AND IF
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  • YOU DON'T LIKE YOURSELF, YOU
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  • CAN'T GET ALONG WITH OTHER
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  • PEOPLE, SO YOU'RE ALWAYS TRYING
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  • TO GET THEM TO FIX YOU.
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  • YOU WANT THEM TO MAKE YOU FEEL
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  • GOOD, AND, REALLY, THE BOTTOM
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  • LINE IS NOBODY CAN DO THAT
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  • EXCEPT GOD, AND HE WILL, BUT YOU
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  • HAVE TO LET HIM.
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  • YOU HAVE TO GET INTO AGREEMENT
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  • WITH HIM.
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  • YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY
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  • COMPONENTS TO THIS, AND, TO BE
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  • HONEST, IF SOMEBODY IS WOUNDED
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  • REAL DEEPLY IN THEIR SOUL, IT'S
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  • NOT SOMETHIN' THEY'RE GONNA GET
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  • OVER, OVERNIGHT.
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  • THERE'S GONNA BE STUDYING THE
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  • WORD AND OBEYING GOD, AND, YOU
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  • KNOW, SOME PEOPLE NEED SOME
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  • COUNSELING, BUT THERE'S NOTHING
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  • BETTER THAN BEING HEALTHY ON THE
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  • INSIDE, AND THE BEST GIFT,
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  • REALLY, THAT YOU CAN GIVE
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  • ANYBODY IS A HEALTHY YOU BECAUSE
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  • TO BE MARRIED TO SOMEONE THAT'S
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  • ALL BROKEN INSIDE THAT YOU FEEL
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  • LIKE YOU HAVE TO CONSTANTLY BE
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  • CAREFUL AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE
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  • YOU'RE WALKIN' ON EGGSHELLS AND
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  • YOU CAN'T HURT THEIR FEELINGS
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  • AND YOU CAN'T CONFRONT 'EM ABOUT
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  • ANYTHING, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE
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  • MOODY-- I REMEMBER MY HUSBAND
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  • SAYIN', "I USED TO DRIVE DOWN
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  • THE ROAD AT NIGHT THINKIN', 'I
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  • WONDER WHAT SHE'LL BE LIKE
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  • TONIGHT?'"
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  • - MATT: OH, WOW.
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  • - JOYCE: AND THAT'S SAD, YOU
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  • KNOW.
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  • AND-- BUT I'M EVIDENCE, AS WELL
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  • AS LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE, THAT
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  • YOU CERTAINLY CAN BE HEALED.
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  • IT REQUIRES FACING SOME TRUTH.
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  • IT REQUIRES NOT BLAMING YOUR
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  • BEHAVIOR ON WHAT HAPPENED TO
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  • YOU.
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  • IT REQUIRES NOT FEELING SORRY
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  • FOR YOURSELF.
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  • THERE'S ONE CHAPTER IN THE BOOK
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  • THAT I WROTE THAT SAYS, "NO
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  • PARKING AT ANY TIME," AND ONE OF
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  • THE THINGS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
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  • DO IS THEY PARK AT THE POINT OF
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  • THEIR PAIN, AND THEY NEVER GO
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  • PAST THAT.
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  • EVERYTHING IN THEIR LIFE, FROM
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  • THAT POINT ON, IS COLORED BY
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  • WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM AND THE
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  • PAIN THAT THEY HAD, AND WE DON'T
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  • - MATT: OKAY, LET'S JUST--
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  • - LAURIE CROUCH: IT'S AN
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  • IMPORTANT ISSUE.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - MATT: YEAH, LET'S JUST START
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  • BY SAYING, WHEN JOYCE MEYER, THE
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  • AUTHOR OF 121 BOOKS, WANTS TO
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  • TELL YOU SOMETHING FOR FREE, YOU
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  • OUGHT TO LISTEN TO IT.
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  • SO WE WELCOME YOU TO THIS
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  • BEAUTIFUL SETTING, AND BEHIND
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  • I'M DISTRACTED BY THE BEAUTY OF
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  • THE WAVES AND THE WATER, AND
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  • THIS IS REALLY THE OCEAN.
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  • THIS IS NOT A SET.
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  • THIS WOULD BE THE ATLANTIC
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  • OCEAN.
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  • I LIVE NEAR THE PACIFIC OCEAN,
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  • SO THIS IS THE ATLANTIC, AND WE
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  • ARE TALKING ABOUT "HEALING THE
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  • SOUL OF A WOMAN," AND THE FIRST
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  • COMMENT I GOT ABOUT THE BOOK,
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  • FROM JOYCE, "I JUST THINK IT'S
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  • MY PRETTIEST BOOK I'VE EVER
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  • - LAURIE: THAT'S TRUE.
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  • - MATT: YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST
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  • PRETTY.
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  • - JOYCE: I WOULD THINK PEOPLE
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  • WOULD WANT IT JUST TO--
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  • - LAURIE: I KNOW-- TO SIT ON
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  • THE SHELF.
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  • - MATT: PUT UP ON THE SHELF?
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  • - JOYCE: -- JUST TO LOOK AT IT.
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  • - LAURIE: THAT'S RIGHT, BUT THE
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  • INSIDE--
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  • - MATT: READ IT.
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  • OKAY, SO A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU
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  • WROTE "BEAUTY FOR ASHES," OKAY?
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  • AND HOW IS THIS THE DEEPER DIG?
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  • BECAUSE IT'S A SIMILAR SUBJECT
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  • MATTER,
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  • IF NOT THE EXACT SUBJECT MATTER,
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  • BUT IT'S DEEPER.
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  • HOW IS THIS BOOK DIFFERENT THAN
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  • "BEAUTY FOR ASHES"?
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  • - JOYCE: WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
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  • I'VE 25 MORE YEARS' EXPERIENCE--
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • -- THAN I HAD WHEN I WROTE
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  • "BEAUTY FOR ASHES," AND I'VE
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  • DEALT WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT
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  • PEOPLE AND DEALT WITH MYSELF
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  • OVER THE YEARS, AND SO IT-- YOU
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  • SAID IT.
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  • IT'S A DEEPER DIG.
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  • IT GOES DEEPER AND SHARES MORE
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  • OF WHAT I'VE LEARNED OVER THE
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  • YEARS, WHICH HAS BEEN A GREAT
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  • DEAL.
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  • - YOU KNOW, THE GOOD THING
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  • ABOUT GOD IS WE NEVER STOP
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  • LEARNING, AND I STILL
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  • OCCASIONALLY WILL SEE THINGS
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  • CROP UP IN ME THAT I KNOW ARE A
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  • RESULT OF THE ABUSE I HAD IN MY
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  • CHILDHOOD, BUT THE THING THAT I
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  • SAY NOW IS I CAN-- I DON'T HAVE
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  • TO JUST REACT.
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  • I CAN ACT ON WHAT I KNOW GOD HAS
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  • TOLD ME.
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  • - LAURIE: HAD YOU LEARNED A
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  • LOT?
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  • WERE YOU SURPRISED BY-- I MEAN,
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  • DID YOU READ "BEAUTY FOR ASHES"
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  • AGAIN?
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  • BECAUSE THAT TOLD YOUR
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  • PERSONALLY STORY, A LOT OF YOUR
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  • PERSONAL STORY.
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  • SO HOW MANY YEARS HAS IT BEEN
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  • THAT?
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  • - JOYCE: PROBABLY ABOUT 25.
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  • - LAURIE: TWENTY-FIVE.
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  • WERE YOU SURPRISED AT HOW FAR
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  • YOU'D COME, EVEN FROM THAT BOOK?
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  • - JOYCE: WELL, WHEN I THINK
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  • BACK THE WAY I WAS, I MEAN,
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  • THERE'S NO TELLINGS, HONESTLY,
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  • HOW MANY TIMES I WOULD'VE BEEN
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  • MARRIED AND DIVORCED IF I
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  • WOULDN'T HAVE LET GOD WORK IN MY
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  • LIFE AND HEAL ME, AND THAT'S
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  • WHAT HAPPENS TO SO MANY PEOPLE.
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  • THEY JUST GO THROUGH ONE
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  • RELATIONSHIP AFTER ANOTHER AFTER
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  • ANOTHER.
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  • OF COURSE, THE FIRST TIME I GOT
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  • MARRIED, I MARRIED THE FIRST GUY
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  • THAT CAME ALONG 'CAUSE I REALLY
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  • THOUGHT NOBODY WOULD EVER WANT
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  • ME, AND I KNEW, DOWN DEEP
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  • INSIDE, IT WAS A MISTAKE BECAUSE
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  • HE HAD EVEN MORE PROBLEMS THAN
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  • ME, AND, SADLY, THAT'S WHAT, A
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  • LOT OF TIMES, HURTING, WOUNDED,
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  • TROUBLED PEOPLE MARRY OTHER
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  • HURTING, TROUBLED PEOPLE.
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  • AND I SAY JOKINGLY, BUT IT'S
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  • TRUE.
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  • THEY GIVE EACH OTHER TROUBLE,
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  • AND THEN THEY HAVE KIDS AND DUMP
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  • ALL THEIR TROUBLES ON THEM, AND
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  • THEN IT JUST GOES FROM
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  • GENERATION TO GENERATION, BUT
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  • YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE AFFECTED
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  • BY YOUR PAST.
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  • GOD SAYS WE CAN LET GO OF THE
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  • PAST.
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  • AND, OF COURSE, THE FIRST
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  • THING-- AND IT'S PROBABLY THE
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  • HARDEST THING-- IS YOU CANNOT GO
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  • FORWARD UNTIL YOU FORGIVE.
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  • - MATT: WOW.
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  • - JOYCE: AND THAT'S-- THERE'S
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  • SO MANY PEOPLE, SO MANY
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  • CHRISTIANS THAT ARE STILL MAD,
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  • AND, I MEAN, I CAN GO JUST ABOUT
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  • ANYWHERE AND DO A SERMON ON
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  • FORGIVENESS AND ASK HOW MANY
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  • PEOPLE STILL NEEDED TO FORGIVE
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  • SOMEBODY, AND THERE'S GONNA BE
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  • 80% OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIFT
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  • THEIR HAND.
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  • AND I READ SOMETHIN' YESTERDAY--
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  • I HEARD THIS ACTUALLY.
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  • IT WAS IN A SHOW I WAS WATCHIN'
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  • ON TV, BUT I THOUGHT, "THAT IS A
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  • GREAT STATEMENT."
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  • HE SAID,
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  • "YOU'RE NEVER ANY WEAKER THAN
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  • WHEN YOU'RE ANGRY," OR "WHEN
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  • YOU'RE ANGRY, YOU'RE WEAKER THAN
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  • AT ANY OTHER TIME IN YOUR LIFE."
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  • AND I THINK SATAN JUST USES
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  • ANGER AND STRIFE AND BITTERNESS
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  • AND RESENTMENT AND UNFORGIVENESS
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  • TO JUST KEEP PEOPLE IN PRISON,
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  • AND I ALWAYS SAY, "WHAT'S THE
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  • POINT IN BEIN' MAD AT SOMEBODY
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  • THAT'S OUT HAVIN' A GOOD TIME
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  • AND DON'T EVEN CARE THAT YOU'RE
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  • UPSET?"
  • 00:07:12.200 --> 00:07:13.240
  • SO YOU'RE REALLY JUST HURTING
  • 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:14.170
  • YOURSELF, SO EVERYTHING GOD SAYS
  • 00:07:14.170 --> 00:07:16.280
  • ABOUT FORGIVING PEOPLE, IT'S
  • 00:07:16.280 --> 00:07:18.200
  • REALLY LIKE YOU'RE NOT DOING
  • 00:07:18.200 --> 00:07:20.010
  • THEM A FAVOR.
  • 00:07:20.010 --> 00:07:21.050
  • YOU'RE DOING YOURSELF A FAVOR
  • 00:07:21.050 --> 00:07:23.240
  • WHEN YOU FORGIVE, AND THEN, WHEN
  • 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:25.260
  • YOU DO THAT, YOU RELEASE GOD TO
  • 00:07:25.260 --> 00:07:28.030
  • DEAL WITH THOSE PEOPLE, AND IT
  • 00:07:28.030 --> 00:07:29.260
  • IS A FEARSOME THING TO FALL INTO
  • 00:07:29.260 --> 00:07:32.070
  • THE HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD, AND
  • 00:07:32.070 --> 00:07:33.230
  • IT'S NOT SOMETHIN' YOU FEEL.
  • 00:07:33.230 --> 00:07:36.070
  • IT'S A DECISION THAT YOU MAKE,
  • 00:07:36.140 --> 00:07:39.140
  • AND GOD SAYS PLAINLY, "YOU PRAY
  • 00:07:39.140 --> 00:07:41.010
  • FOR THEM, YOU BLESS, AND DO NOT
  • 00:07:41.010 --> 00:07:43.190
  • CURSE THEM."
  • 00:07:43.190 --> 00:07:45.120
  • AND SO MOST PEOPLE JUST TRY
  • 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.140
  • TO NOT FEEL BAD ABOUT A PERSON
  • 00:07:47.220 --> 00:07:50.220
  • THAT'S HURT 'EM, ANYMORE.
  • 00:07:50.220 --> 00:07:52.110
  • AND THAT'S NOT EVEN THE POINT.
  • 00:07:52.110 --> 00:07:53.240
  • THE POINT IS TO MAKE THE
  • 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.150
  • DECISION TO FORGIVE WITH GOD'S
  • 00:07:55.150 --> 00:07:58.010
  • HELP, AND THEN, WHEN YOU START
  • 00:07:58.010 --> 00:07:59.190
  • PRAYIN' FOR SOMEBODY, YOU WON'T
  • 00:07:59.190 --> 00:08:01.160
  • HAVE BAD FEELINGS TOWARD THEM
  • 00:08:02.010 --> 00:08:05.010
  • FOR VERY LONG IF YOU REALLY PRAY
  • 00:08:05.010 --> 00:08:07.090
  • FOR THEM, AND I THINK THAT'S
  • 00:08:07.090 --> 00:08:08.160
  • WHAT PEOPLE DON'T DO.
  • 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:09.190
  • THEY DON'T PRAY, AND WE THINK,
  • 00:08:09.210 --> 00:08:12.210
  • "WELL, I DON'T WANNA PRAY FOR
  • 00:08:12.210 --> 00:08:13.120
  • THEM TO BE BLESSED.
  • 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:13.280
  • I DON'T WANT 'EM TO BE BLESSED."
  • 00:08:13.280 --> 00:08:14.210
  • BUT THE FIRST THING GOD WILL
  • 00:08:14.210 --> 00:08:15.180
  • START BLESSIN' 'EM WITH IS
  • 00:08:15.180 --> 00:08:16.250
  • TRUTH.
  • 00:08:16.250 --> 00:08:17.100
  • - MATT: THERE IT IS.
  • 00:08:17.100 --> 00:08:18.040
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:18.250
  • - JOYCE: AND SO WE GET ALL
  • 00:08:18.250 --> 00:08:19.260
  • MIXED UP: "WELL, I DON'T WANT
  • 00:08:19.260 --> 00:08:20.190
  • 'EM TO BE BLESSED."
  • 00:08:20.190 --> 00:08:21.160
  • WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
  • 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:22.160
  • I DIDN'T WANT MY ENEMIES TO BE
  • 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.140
  • BLESSED EITHER, BUT THEN GOD
  • 00:08:24.140 --> 00:08:25.190
  • SHOWED ME THE FIRST THING I CAN
  • 00:08:25.190 --> 00:08:27.040
  • BLESS 'EM WITH IS TRUTH, IF YOU
  • 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.050
  • PRAY FOR THEM.
  • 00:08:29.050 --> 00:08:30.280
  • AND GOD'S OUR VINDICATOR.
  • 00:08:30.280 --> 00:08:32.170
  • WE CAN'T VINDICATE OURSELVES.
  • 00:08:32.170 --> 00:08:34.050
  • - MATT: I HEARD A DEFINITION OF
  • 00:08:34.050 --> 00:08:35.100
  • FORGIVENESS, AND I WANT YOU TO
  • 00:08:35.100 --> 00:08:37.280
  • CORRECT IT OR ADD TO IT, THAT
  • 00:08:37.280 --> 00:08:40.080
  • YOU DON'T CARE ANYMORE WHETHER
  • 00:08:42.060 --> 00:08:45.060
  • OR NOT THE PERSON OR PEOPLE FACE
  • 00:08:45.260 --> 00:08:48.260
  • CONSEQUENCES FOR WHAT THEY DID.
  • 00:08:48.260 --> 00:08:49.180
  • - JOYCE: I DO THINK, WHEN YOU
  • 00:08:49.180 --> 00:08:51.140
  • TOTALLY FORGIVE-- AND I MIGHT
  • 00:08:51.140 --> 00:08:53.120
  • EVEN SAY, I THINK, MAYBE THE
  • 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.120
  • TOTAL FORGIVENESS COMES IN
  • 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:56.060
  • DEGREES.
  • 00:08:56.060 --> 00:08:56.280
  • YOU KNOW, I SAID THE OFFICIAL "I
  • 00:08:58.020 --> 00:09:01.040
  • FORGIVE YOU" PRAYER, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:09:01.040 --> 00:09:03.040
  • BECAUSE I KNEW THAT GOD WANTED
  • 00:09:03.040 --> 00:09:04.070
  • ME TO, BUT I STILL DID NOT WANT
  • 00:09:04.070 --> 00:09:06.020
  • TO-- THE "BLESS YOUR ENEMIES"
  • 00:09:06.170 --> 00:09:09.170
  • PART WAS NOT SOMETHIN' THAT I
  • 00:09:09.170 --> 00:09:11.210
  • WAS TOO INTERESTED IN, AND I
  • 00:09:11.210 --> 00:09:13.160
  • ONLY SAW MY MOM AND DAD WHEN I
  • 00:09:13.160 --> 00:09:15.110
  • ABSOLUTELY HAD TO, FOR THE
  • 00:09:15.110 --> 00:09:16.180
  • SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME THAT I
  • 00:09:16.180 --> 00:09:19.120
  • COULD SEE THEM, BUT AS THEY
  • 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:20.210
  • STARTED GETTING OLDER AND LESS
  • 00:09:20.210 --> 00:09:22.160
  • ABLE TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES, YOU
  • 00:09:22.160 --> 00:09:24.060
  • KNOW, GOD WANTED ME TO DO WHAT
  • 00:09:24.060 --> 00:09:27.060
  • THE BIBLE SAYS TO DO, WHICH WAS
  • 00:09:27.060 --> 00:09:29.070
  • TAKE CARE OF THEM.
  • 00:09:29.070 --> 00:09:31.020
  • WELL, I DIDN'T WANNA TAKE CARE
  • 00:09:31.020 --> 00:09:31.270
  • OF THEM.
  • 00:09:31.270 --> 00:09:32.240
  • I MEAN, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK IT
  • 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:33.290
  • WAS FAIR FOR GOD TO ASK ME, AND
  • 00:09:33.290 --> 00:09:35.160
  • MY FIRST THING TO GOD WAS,
  • 00:09:35.160 --> 00:09:37.280
  • "WELL, THEY NEVER DID ANYTHING
  • 00:09:37.280 --> 00:09:39.270
  • FOR ME," AND HE SAID, "WELL, YOU
  • 00:09:39.270 --> 00:09:41.140
  • ARE BREATHING," SO, YOU KNOW, AT
  • 00:09:41.140 --> 00:09:42.160
  • LEAST THEY GAVE ME LIFE.
  • 00:09:42.160 --> 00:09:45.120
  • THEY PUT CLOTHES ON MY BACK AND
  • 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:47.000
  • AND THEN TAKING THOSE STEPS OF
  • 00:09:49.170 --> 00:09:51.260
  • OBEDIENCE TO MOVE THEM CLOSER TO
  • 00:09:51.270 --> 00:09:54.270
  • WHERE I WAS AND MADE SURE THEY
  • 00:09:54.270 --> 00:09:57.110
  • GOT TO THEIR DOCTOR'S
  • 00:09:57.110 --> 00:09:58.130
  • APPOINTMENTS AND MAKE SURE THEIR
  • 00:09:58.130 --> 00:09:59.280
  • AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO
  • 00:10:02.070 --> 00:10:03.000
  • ALL THAT BECAUSE OF BEIN' IN
  • 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:03.280
  • MINISTRY, SO IT ENDED UP COSTING
  • 00:10:03.280 --> 00:10:04.290
  • A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE DIDN'T
  • 00:10:04.290 --> 00:10:06.060
  • HAVE AT THE TIME, BUT,
  • 00:10:06.060 --> 00:10:09.000
  • ULTIMATELY, MY DAD ENDED UP
  • 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.070
  • GETTIN' SAVED THROUGH THE LOVE
  • 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.200
  • THAT WE SHOWED HIM BECAUSE HE
  • 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:16.050
  • KNEW THAT HE DID NOT DESERVE IT.
  • 00:10:16.050 --> 00:10:18.190
  • AND THE BIBLE TELLS US TO DO
  • 00:10:18.190 --> 00:10:19.160
  • THAT.
  • 00:10:19.160 --> 00:10:20.060
  • WHY?
  • 00:10:20.060 --> 00:10:20.200
  • TO SHOW THAT WE'RE LIKE OUR
  • 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:23.120
  • HEAVENLY FATHER.
  • 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.040
  • GOD NEVER ASKS US TO FORGIVE
  • 00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:29.040
  • SOMEBODY ELSE FOR MORE THAN WHAT
  • 00:10:29.040 --> 00:10:31.190
  • HE'S FORGIVEN US FOR.
  • 00:10:31.190 --> 00:10:32.170
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:10:32.170 --> 00:10:33.170
  • - MATT: OKAY, "HEALING THE
  • 00:10:36.050 --> 00:10:36.250
  • SOUL OF A WOMAN."
  • 00:10:36.250 --> 00:10:37.120
  • WE'RE GONNA DIG INTO IT HERE
  • 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:38.070
  • IN JUST A SECOND.
  • 00:10:38.070 --> 00:10:38.220
  • I JUST WANNA ASK YOU, KIND OF,
  • 00:10:38.220 --> 00:10:39.230
  • THE OVERVIEW QUESTION: IF
  • 00:10:39.230 --> 00:10:42.040
  • SOMEBODY GOES CHAPTER 1, ALL THE
  • 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.000
  • WAY THROUGH, REALLY READS IT,
  • 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:47.280
  • WHAT IS YOUR HOPE FOR THAT
  • 00:10:47.280 --> 00:10:50.010
  • PERSON THAT TAKES THE BOOK
  • 00:10:50.260 --> 00:10:53.260
  • LIVES IT?
  • 00:10:59.260 --> 00:11:00.270
  • WHAT'S THE RESULT?
  • 00:11:00.270 --> 00:11:01.210
  • WHAT JOURNEY ARE YOU TAKING
  • 00:11:01.210 --> 00:11:03.230
  • SOMEONE THROUGH IN THIS BOOK?
  • 00:11:03.230 --> 00:11:04.280
  • - JOYCE: WELL, WHAT I WOULD
  • 00:11:04.280 --> 00:11:06.120
  • HOPE IS THAT, INITIALLY, YOU
  • 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:08.020
  • KNOW, LIKE, PRETTY SOON, THEY
  • 00:11:08.270 --> 00:11:11.270
  • WOULD GET SOME REAL REVELATION
  • 00:11:11.270 --> 00:11:14.200
  • ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF
  • 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.150
  • LIFE THEY'RE LIVING, COMPARED TO
  • 00:11:17.150 --> 00:11:19.170
  • THE KIND OF LIFE THAT GOD WANTS
  • 00:11:19.170 --> 00:11:21.280
  • THEM TO LIVE.
  • 00:11:21.280 --> 00:11:24.010
  • YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I USED AN
  • 00:11:24.010 --> 00:11:24.290
  • EXAMPLE ABOUT SOME OF THE
  • 00:11:26.160 --> 00:11:29.160
  • EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TODAY
  • 00:11:29.160 --> 00:11:30.210
  • LIKE YOUR PHONE OR YOUR
  • 00:11:30.210 --> 00:11:31.190
  • COMPUTER, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:11:31.190 --> 00:11:32.200
  • THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT I
  • 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.280
  • COULD DO ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I
  • 00:11:34.280 --> 00:11:37.070
  • WON'T TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN HOW
  • 00:11:37.070 --> 00:11:38.270
  • TO DO 'EM.
  • 00:11:38.270 --> 00:11:41.020
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:11:41.020 --> 00:11:41.210
  • AND SO, YOU KNOW, I FUMBLE
  • 00:11:41.210 --> 00:11:43.100
  • THROUGH SOMETIMES AND MAKE A
  • 00:11:43.100 --> 00:11:45.080
  • PROJECT HARDER THAN IT WOULD
  • 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:46.090
  • HAVE TO BE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA
  • 00:11:46.090 --> 00:11:47.200
  • LEARN HOW TO WORK THE STUFF.
  • 00:11:48.060 --> 00:11:51.060
  • WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF A
  • 00:11:51.060 --> 00:11:53.120
  • LIFE DID JESUS DIE FOR US TO
  • 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:54.080
  • HAVE?
  • 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:55.070
  • DO YOU WANNA HAVE THE BEST LIFE
  • 00:11:55.070 --> 00:11:57.030
  • YOU CAN HAVE, OR DO YOU WANNA
  • 00:11:57.030 --> 00:11:58.290
  • JUST BE A CHRISTIAN WHO GOES TO
  • 00:11:58.290 --> 00:12:01.190
  • CHURCH EVERY WEEK AND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:12:01.190 --> 00:12:03.250
  • MAYBE DOES A FEW-- TRY TO DO A
  • 00:12:03.250 --> 00:12:06.190
  • FEW NICE THINGS, BUT YOU'RE JUST
  • 00:12:06.190 --> 00:12:08.120
  • MISERABLE ON THE INSIDE ALL THE
  • 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:09.040
  • TIME?
  • 00:12:09.040 --> 00:12:09.220
  • YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO BE A
  • 00:12:09.220 --> 00:12:10.170
  • MISERABLE SINNER; IT'S ANOTHER
  • 00:12:10.170 --> 00:12:11.280
  • THING TO BE A MISERABLE
  • 00:12:11.280 --> 00:12:12.160
  • BELIEVER.
  • 00:12:12.160 --> 00:12:14.060
  • JESUS DIDN'T DIE SO WE COULD
  • 00:12:14.060 --> 00:12:14.270
  • JUST LIMP ALONG THROUGH LIFE.
  • 00:12:14.270 --> 00:12:16.110
  • I MEAN, HE WANTS US TO HAVE A
  • 00:12:16.110 --> 00:12:17.230
  • GREAT LIFE, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF
  • 00:12:17.230 --> 00:12:19.030
  • THE CHAPTERS UP IN THE FRONT IS,
  • 00:12:19.250 --> 00:12:22.250
  • YOU KNOW, LIVING THE BEST LIFE
  • 00:12:22.250 --> 00:12:25.210
  • THAT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU.
  • 00:12:25.210 --> 00:12:27.010
  • AND SO I JUST SAID THAT, YOU
  • 00:12:27.010 --> 00:12:28.050
  • KNOW, THEY COME OUT WITH A NEW
  • 00:12:28.050 --> 00:12:30.190
  • PHONE.
  • 00:12:30.190 --> 00:12:31.190
  • I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN HARDLY
  • 00:12:31.190 --> 00:12:32.250
  • GET USED TO THE ONE YOU'VE GOT,
  • 00:12:32.250 --> 00:12:34.030
  • AND THEY'VE GOT A NEW ONE, BUT
  • 00:12:34.030 --> 00:12:34.270
  • EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET THE
  • 00:12:34.270 --> 00:12:36.000
  • NEWEST UPGRADE, AND SO WHY DON'T
  • 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:37.140
  • WE WANNA GET THE NEWEST UPGRADED
  • 00:12:37.140 --> 00:12:39.240
  • LIFE THAT WE CAN HAVE?
  • 00:12:40.160 --> 00:12:43.160
  • PEOPLE WILL STAND IN LINE ALL
  • 00:12:43.160 --> 00:12:44.070
  • NIGHT TO BE THE FIRST IN LINE
  • 00:12:44.070 --> 00:12:46.060
  • TO GET SOME KIND OF AN UPGRADE
  • 00:12:46.060 --> 00:12:48.040
  • FOR THEIR PHONE,
  • 00:12:48.040 --> 00:12:49.030
  • BUT WE DON'T WANNA PUT IN THE
  • 00:12:49.030 --> 00:12:50.000
  • TIME AND THE EFFORT TO UPGRADE
  • 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:51.200
  • OUR LIFE, AND SO I WOULD HOPE
  • 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.230
  • THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE,
  • 00:12:53.230 --> 00:12:55.220
  • "WELL, THERE'S APPARENTLY A
  • 00:12:55.220 --> 00:12:56.260
  • LOT MORE AVAILABLE TO ME THAN
  • 00:12:56.260 --> 00:12:59.100
  • WHAT I'M EXPERIENCING IN MY
  • 00:12:59.100 --> 00:13:01.130
  • LIFE," AND THEY WOULD JUST SAY
  • 00:13:01.130 --> 00:13:03.220
  • TO GOD, "I WANT WHAT YOU WANT
  • 00:13:03.220 --> 00:13:06.070
  • FOR ME," BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE
  • 00:13:06.070 --> 00:13:07.090
  • EASY.
  • 00:13:07.090 --> 00:13:09.180
  • IT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE
  • 00:13:09.180 --> 00:13:11.090
  • COMFORTABLE, AND IT'S GOING TO
  • 00:13:11.090 --> 00:13:14.040
  • TAKE TIME, SO I WOULD HOPE, BY
  • 00:13:14.040 --> 00:13:15.090
  • THE END OF IT, PEOPLE WOULD BE
  • 00:13:15.090 --> 00:13:17.000
  • READY TO START ON A JOURNEY OF
  • 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:19.110
  • HEALING THAT REQUIRES DIFFERENT
  • 00:13:19.280 --> 00:13:22.280
  • THINGS FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
  • 00:13:22.280 --> 00:13:24.160
  • LIKE, FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT MAY
  • 00:13:24.160 --> 00:13:26.100
  • INVOLVE SOME PROFESSIONAL
  • 00:13:26.100 --> 00:13:28.190
  • COUNSELING.
  • 00:13:28.190 --> 00:13:30.140
  • FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT MAY INVOLVE
  • 00:13:30.140 --> 00:13:32.280
  • BEIN' IN A RECOVERY GROUP.
  • 00:13:32.280 --> 00:13:34.060
  • YOU KNOW, FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT
  • 00:13:34.060 --> 00:13:36.010
  • MAY BE JUST TELLING SOMEBODY
  • 00:13:36.140 --> 00:13:39.140
  • WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.
  • 00:13:39.140 --> 00:13:40.190
  • SO MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN
  • 00:13:40.190 --> 00:13:42.040
  • SEXUALLY ABUSED SPEND THEIR
  • 00:13:42.040 --> 00:13:43.160
  • WHOLE LIFE AND DON'T TELL
  • 00:13:43.160 --> 00:13:44.230
  • ANYBODY, OR SOMEBODY MAYBE WHO'S
  • 00:13:44.230 --> 00:13:45.180
  • HAD AN ABORTION, AND THEY'RE
  • 00:13:45.180 --> 00:13:48.160
  • STILL HURTING FROM THAT.
  • 00:13:48.160 --> 00:13:50.040
  • THEY DON'T-- YOU KNOW, OUR
  • 00:13:50.040 --> 00:13:51.050
  • SECRETS MAKE US SICK.
  • 00:13:51.050 --> 00:13:52.120
  • THINGS THAT YOU HIDE ON THE
  • 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.030
  • INSIDE AND ARE AFRAID FOR
  • 00:13:54.030 --> 00:13:55.110
  • ANYBODY TO FIND OUT, THEY KEEP
  • 00:13:55.110 --> 00:13:56.150
  • YOU IN FEAR.
  • 00:13:56.150 --> 00:13:58.010
  • - LAURIE: YEAH, YOU THINK IT'S
  • 00:13:58.010 --> 00:13:59.100
  • MORE PAINFUL-- I THINK PEOPLE
  • 00:13:59.100 --> 00:14:01.200
  • GET STUCK BECAUSE THEY THINK,
  • 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:04.170
  • "MAN, IF I TELL ANYBODY AND IF I
  • 00:14:04.170 --> 00:14:07.160
  • START TALKIN' ABOUT THIS AND
  • 00:14:07.160 --> 00:14:08.290
  • FACING MY REALITY, MY PAST, IT'S
  • 00:14:09.010 --> 00:14:12.010
  • GONNA BE PAIN ALL OVER AGAIN FOR
  • 00:14:12.010 --> 00:14:14.210
  • ME."
  • 00:14:14.210 --> 00:14:16.200
  • HOW DO WE GET PAST THAT?
  • 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:17.230
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I SAY THERE'S
  • 00:14:17.230 --> 00:14:19.100
  • TWO KINDS OF PAIN YOU CAN
  • 00:14:19.100 --> 00:14:20.180
  • CHOOSE.
  • 00:14:20.180 --> 00:14:22.050
  • YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PAIN
  • 00:14:22.050 --> 00:14:23.020
  • EITHER WAY.
  • 00:14:23.020 --> 00:14:24.200
  • IT'S EITHER THE PAIN OF GETTING
  • 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.020
  • FREE, WHICH ULTIMATELY LEAVES
  • 00:14:26.020 --> 00:14:29.010
  • YOU WITHOUT THE PAIN, OR IT'S
  • 00:14:29.010 --> 00:14:30.240
  • THE PAIN OF STAYING THE SAME WAY
  • 00:14:30.290 --> 00:14:33.290
  • THAT YOU ARE THE REST OF YOUR
  • 00:14:33.290 --> 00:14:34.290
  • LIFE.
  • 00:14:34.290 --> 00:14:35.140
  • SO THAT'S SOMETHIN' THAT--
  • 00:14:35.140 --> 00:14:37.200
  • - LAURIE: TWO BIG FEARS.
  • 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:38.090
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, I WOULD REALLY
  • 00:14:38.090 --> 00:14:39.240
  • LIKE THE VIEWERS TO THINK ABOUT
  • 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:40.240
  • WHAT I JUST SAID: DO YOU REALLY
  • 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:41.240
  • WANT TO STAY THE SAME AS YOU ARE
  • 00:14:44.250 --> 00:14:47.250
  • THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?
  • 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:49.250
  • I MEAN, IS THAT REALLY WHAT YOU
  • 00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:51.020
  • WANT, OR DO YOU WANNA CHANGE?
  • 00:14:52.050 --> 00:14:55.050
  • YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA
  • 00:14:55.050 --> 00:14:56.050
  • SAY, "I WANNA CHANGE," BUT WHAT
  • 00:14:56.050 --> 00:14:57.030
  • THEY WANT IS THEY WANT GOD TO
  • 00:14:57.030 --> 00:14:57.240
  • CHANGE THEM.
  • 00:14:58.110 --> 00:15:01.130
  • AND SOMETHIN' THAT I'VE
  • 00:15:01.130 --> 00:15:02.260
  • DISCOVERED, MATT AND LAURIE,
  • 00:15:02.260 --> 00:15:03.260
  • JUST, REALLY, A LOT IN THE LAST
  • 00:15:03.260 --> 00:15:06.240
  • COUPLE OF YEARS-- I DON'T KNOW
  • 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.060
  • WHY IT TOOK ME THIS LONG TO KNOW
  • 00:15:08.060 --> 00:15:10.010
  • THIS, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN
  • 00:15:10.010 --> 00:15:11.020
  • PREACHING, BUT WE SAY THAT WE
  • 00:15:11.020 --> 00:15:13.150
  • WANT THINGS, BUT WE DON'T WANNA
  • 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.000
  • DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET
  • 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:18.140
  • THEM AND SO--
  • 00:15:18.140 --> 00:15:21.050
  • - MATT: WE WANT A SHORTCUT.
  • 00:15:21.050 --> 00:15:23.080
  • - JOYCE: WE WANNA SHORTCUT AND
  • 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:24.210
  • SO-- BUT THIS IS WHAT I'VE
  • 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:28.000
  • DISCOVERED: WE PRAY FOR GOD TO
  • 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:29.190
  • DO THINGS, BUT WHAT HE ALMOST
  • 00:15:31.010 --> 00:15:34.010
  • ALWAYS DOES IS HE'LL SHOW YOU
  • 00:15:34.010 --> 00:15:35.080
  • WHAT TO DO.
  • 00:15:35.190 --> 00:15:38.190
  • HE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT'S WRONG, OR
  • 00:15:38.210 --> 00:15:41.210
  • MAYBE, LIKE, YOU'LL START
  • 00:15:41.210 --> 00:15:43.260
  • PRAYIN', "WELL, YOU KNOW, HOW DO
  • 00:15:43.260 --> 00:15:46.070
  • I GET RID OF THIS?"
  • 00:15:46.070 --> 00:15:47.290
  • WELL, YOU NEED TO TELL SOMEBODY.
  • 00:15:47.290 --> 00:15:49.210
  • "WELL, NO, I DON'T WANNA DO
  • 00:15:49.210 --> 00:15:50.150
  • THAT."
  • 00:15:50.150 --> 00:15:51.120
  • SO YOU JUST STAY MESSED
  • 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:53.170
  • UP FOR ANOTHER LONG TIME.
  • 00:15:53.170 --> 00:15:55.030
  • YOU KNOW, I HAD A WOMAN AT A
  • 00:15:55.030 --> 00:15:56.210
  • CONFERENCE ONE TIME-- THIS'LL
  • 00:15:56.210 --> 00:15:58.040
  • GET THE POINT ACROSS GOOD.
  • 00:15:58.040 --> 00:15:59.170
  • IT WAS A CONFERENCE WHERE WE'RE
  • 00:15:59.180 --> 00:16:02.200
  • SERVIN' MEALS AND SO EVERYBODY
  • 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:04.210
  • WAS AT TABLES, AND I THINK THEY
  • 00:16:04.210 --> 00:16:05.260
  • WERE, LIKE, TABLES OF EIGHT, AND
  • 00:16:05.260 --> 00:16:07.140
  • WE WERE TEACHIN' ON THIS TYPE OF
  • 00:16:07.140 --> 00:16:09.080
  • HEALING-TYPE THING, AND A GIRL
  • 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:12.060
  • CAME TO ME AT THE END, AND SHE
  • 00:16:12.060 --> 00:16:13.110
  • SAID, "WELL, I FOUND OUT WHAT MY
  • 00:16:13.110 --> 00:16:14.220
  • PROBLEM IS," AND I SAID, "WELL,
  • 00:16:14.220 --> 00:16:16.270
  • GOOD, WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT?"
  • 00:16:16.270 --> 00:16:18.010
  • SHE SAID, "I SAT AT A TABLE WITH
  • 00:16:18.010 --> 00:16:20.020
  • EIGHT WOMEN.
  • 00:16:20.020 --> 00:16:21.120
  • ALL OF THEM HAD SIMILAR STORIES
  • 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.120
  • TO MINE."
  • 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:25.180
  • AND SHE SAID, "EVERY ONE OF
  • 00:16:25.180 --> 00:16:26.200
  • THEM ARE HEALED NOW, AND I'M
  • 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:29.020
  • STILL JUST AS BIG A MESS AS
  • 00:16:29.020 --> 00:16:29.270
  • I WAS IN THE BEGINNING."
  • 00:16:29.270 --> 00:16:31.200
  • AND SHE SAID,
  • 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:32.130
  • "HERE'S WHAT I DISCOVERED:
  • 00:16:32.130 --> 00:16:33.230
  • GOD HAS TOLD ME TO DO THE SAME
  • 00:16:34.270 --> 00:16:37.270
  • THINGS THAT HE TOLD ALL THEM TO
  • 00:16:37.270 --> 00:16:39.230
  • DO.
  • 00:16:39.230 --> 00:16:40.050
  • THEY ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY DID
  • 00:16:40.050 --> 00:16:40.270
  • IT, AND I DIDN'T."
  • 00:16:40.270 --> 00:16:42.210
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:43.070
  • - LAURIE: WOW.
  • 00:16:43.070 --> 00:16:43.210
  • - MATT: WOW, WOW, WOW.
  • 00:16:43.210 --> 00:16:44.160
  • "HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN."
  • 00:16:44.160 --> 00:16:46.290
  • JOYCE, I HAVE JUST A SIMPLE
  • 00:16:46.290 --> 00:16:48.020
  • QUESTION: ON A SCALE OF ONE TO
  • 00:16:48.020 --> 00:16:50.140
  • TEN, AT YOUR EARLY YEARS, HOW
  • 00:16:50.140 --> 00:16:53.010
  • SCREWED UP WERE YOU, ON A SCALE
  • 00:16:53.010 --> 00:16:53.230
  • OF ONE TO TEN?
  • 00:16:53.250 --> 00:16:56.250
  • - JOYCE: OH, WELL, 12.
  • 00:16:56.250 --> 00:16:57.140
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:16:57.140 --> 00:16:58.110
  • - MATT: OKAY, SO, AND THE FACT
  • 00:16:58.110 --> 00:17:00.100
  • THAT YOU'RE NOW, YOU KNOW-- HOW
  • 00:17:00.100 --> 00:17:03.070
  • MANY YEARS IN MINISTRY NOW?
  • 00:17:03.070 --> 00:17:05.280
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, 42.
  • 00:17:05.280 --> 00:17:06.270
  • - MATT: FORTY-TWO YEARS IN
  • 00:17:06.270 --> 00:17:07.170
  • MINISTRY.
  • 00:17:07.170 --> 00:17:08.190
  • "HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN."
  • 00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:10.110
  • GUESS WHAT?
  • 00:17:10.110 --> 00:17:11.170
  • WE'VE TIMED THE AIRING OF THIS
  • 00:17:11.170 --> 00:17:13.260
  • BROADCAST, AND THIS BOOK IS
  • 00:17:13.260 --> 00:17:15.010
  • AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:17:15.010 --> 00:17:17.140
  • GO TO AMAZON OR WHEREVER --
  • 00:17:17.140 --> 00:17:18.270
  • HOWEVER YOU BUY BOOKS.
  • 00:17:18.270 --> 00:17:20.060
  • GO TO THE BOOKSTORES THAT YOU
  • 00:17:20.060 --> 00:17:21.290
  • BUY BOOKS IN.
  • 00:17:21.290 --> 00:17:23.230
  • "HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN,"
  • 00:17:24.110 --> 00:17:27.110
  • IT IS OUT NOW.
  • 00:17:27.110 --> 00:17:28.150
  • WE'RE DISCUSSING IT NOW.
  • 00:17:28.150 --> 00:17:30.260
  • IT IS AVAILABLE NOW.
  • 00:17:30.260 --> 00:17:33.010
  • "HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN,"
  • 00:17:33.010 --> 00:17:34.190
  • BY JOYCE MEYER, AND, LIKE I SAID
  • 00:17:34.190 --> 00:17:37.040
  • EARLIER, WHEN SOMEBODY THAT
  • 00:17:37.040 --> 00:17:38.190
  • BASICALLY HAS WRITTEN 121 BOOKS,
  • 00:17:38.190 --> 00:17:41.170
  • DIGS IN THIS DEEP-- THIS IS
  • 00:17:41.170 --> 00:17:43.160
  • REALLY YOUR JOURNEY IN A LOT OF
  • 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:45.020
  • WAYS, SO WHERE DO YOU WANT TO,
  • 00:17:45.260 --> 00:17:48.260
  • KIND OF, DIG IN HERE, AND WHAT
  • 00:17:48.260 --> 00:17:50.230
  • NUGGETS CAN WE PULL OUT RIGHT
  • 00:17:50.230 --> 00:17:53.110
  • HERE ON THIS BROADCAST THAT CAN
  • 00:17:53.110 --> 00:17:54.170
  • HELP PEOPLE?
  • 00:17:54.170 --> 00:17:56.140
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I'M JUST LOOKIN'
  • 00:17:56.140 --> 00:17:57.120
  • AT ONE OF THE CHAPTERS.
  • 00:17:57.120 --> 00:17:58.190
  • IT SAYS, "HELP ME!
  • 00:17:58.190 --> 00:17:59.140
  • I DON'T UNDERSTAND MYSELF."
  • 00:17:59.140 --> 00:18:00.190
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:18:00.190 --> 00:18:02.000
  • EVEN MOST PEOPLE WITH A HEALTHY
  • 00:18:03.130 --> 00:18:06.130
  • SOUL DON'T UNDERSTAND
  • 00:18:06.130 --> 00:18:07.290
  • THEMSELVES, LET ALONE SOMEBODY
  • 00:18:07.290 --> 00:18:09.150
  • THAT'S ALL MESSED UP BECAUSE YOU
  • 00:18:09.150 --> 00:18:11.230
  • DON'T-- I MEAN, I THOUGHT ALL
  • 00:18:11.230 --> 00:18:13.020
  • THE TIME, "WHAT IS WRONG WITH
  • 00:18:13.020 --> 00:18:14.170
  • ME?"
  • 00:18:14.170 --> 00:18:15.250
  • BECAUSE I WOULD DO THINGS I
  • 00:18:16.030 --> 00:18:19.030
  • DIDN'T WANNA DO, SAY THINGS I
  • 00:18:19.030 --> 00:18:20.100
  • DIDN'T WANNA SAY, REACT IN WAYS
  • 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.160
  • THAT I DIDN'T WANNA REACT, AND
  • 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:25.010
  • SO MUCH OF IT WAS COMING OUT OF
  • 00:18:25.010 --> 00:18:26.180
  • MY PAST PAIN, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW
  • 00:18:28.250 --> 00:18:31.250
  • THAT, SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN
  • 00:18:31.250 --> 00:18:32.140
  • EXAMPLE.
  • 00:18:32.140 --> 00:18:33.080
  • I REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY JESUS
  • 00:18:33.080 --> 00:18:34.250
  • USED PARABLES.
  • 00:18:34.250 --> 00:18:36.050
  • I CAN'T HARDLY PREACH WITHOUT
  • 00:18:36.050 --> 00:18:37.100
  • GIVING EXAMPLES AND TELLIN'
  • 00:18:37.100 --> 00:18:38.100
  • STORIES.
  • 00:18:38.100 --> 00:18:39.230
  • THE WORD IS VERY-- IT'S SO
  • 00:18:39.230 --> 00:18:41.240
  • PRACTICAL.
  • 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.110
  • IT'S NOT OVER OUR HEADS.
  • 00:18:43.110 --> 00:18:45.160
  • I MEAN, JESUS MADE IT APPLICABLE
  • 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.060
  • TO EVERYDAY LIFE.
  • 00:18:48.060 --> 00:18:49.130
  • SO, IN THE EARLIER YEARS OF MINE
  • 00:18:49.130 --> 00:18:50.230
  • AND DAVE'S MARRIAGE, LIKE A LOT
  • 00:18:50.230 --> 00:18:52.140
  • OF YOUNG COUPLES, IT JUST SEEMED
  • 00:18:52.140 --> 00:18:55.130
  • TO ME THAT WE COULDN'T TALK
  • 00:18:55.130 --> 00:18:57.160
  • ABOUT ANYTHING IF THERE WAS ANY
  • 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.090
  • KIND OF A CONFLICT.
  • 00:18:59.090 --> 00:19:02.010
  • IF HE DIDN'T AGREE WITH ME
  • 00:19:02.010 --> 00:19:03.250
  • - LAURIE: THEN YOU'D BOTH BE
  • 00:19:07.280 --> 00:19:08.190
  • WRONG.
  • 00:19:08.190 --> 00:19:09.030
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I DIDN'T EVEN
  • 00:19:09.030 --> 00:19:10.100
  • BUT I COULDN'T SEPARATE ME FROM
  • 00:19:12.090 --> 00:19:13.240
  • MY OPINION.
  • 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:16.110
  • I DIDN'T KNOW WHO I WAS, SO IF I
  • 00:19:16.110 --> 00:19:17.240
  • HAD AN OPINION AND HE DIDN'T
  • 00:19:17.270 --> 00:19:20.270
  • AGREE WITH IT, THEN I WOULD FEEL
  • 00:19:20.270 --> 00:19:22.170
  • REJECTED, SO THEN I WOULD GO
  • 00:19:22.170 --> 00:19:24.240
  • INTO THIS MODE OF TRYING TO
  • 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:27.040
  • CONVINCE HIM THAT I WAS RIGHT,
  • 00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:30.180
  • SO THEN HE FELT MANIPULATED AND
  • 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:32.150
  • CONTROLLED, AND, LIKE, THE ONLY
  • 00:19:32.150 --> 00:19:35.030
  • WAY THAT HE'D GET ALONG WITH ME
  • 00:19:35.030 --> 00:19:36.180
  • WAS IF HE ALWAYS AGREED WITH ME,
  • 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:39.090
  • WHICH THEN-- SO MY DYSFUNCTION
  • 00:19:39.090 --> 00:19:40.250
  • TOOK AWAY HIS FREEDOM, AND, I
  • 00:19:40.250 --> 00:19:43.170
  • MEAN, WHEN GOD FINALLY SHOWED ME
  • 00:19:43.170 --> 00:19:45.100
  • YOU KNOW, I JUST-- IT WAS
  • 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.220
  • REJECTION.
  • 00:19:52.220 --> 00:19:53.270
  • IT WAS THAT ROOT OF REJECTION
  • 00:19:53.270 --> 00:19:55.180
  • THAT I HAD IN MY LIFE FROM MY
  • 00:19:55.180 --> 00:19:57.040
  • PAST, AND SO IF I COOKED A MEAL
  • 00:19:59.020 --> 00:20:02.020
  • AND IT WASN'T HIS FAVORITE,
  • 00:20:02.020 --> 00:20:03.230
  • I FELT REJECTED.
  • 00:20:03.230 --> 00:20:05.140
  • IF HE DIDN'T AGREE WITH MY
  • 00:20:05.140 --> 00:20:06.040
  • OPINION, I FELT REJECTED.
  • 00:20:06.040 --> 00:20:07.220
  • IF HE DIDN'T LIKE AN OUTFIT I
  • 00:20:07.220 --> 00:20:09.090
  • PUT ON, I FELT REJECTED BECAUSE
  • 00:20:09.090 --> 00:20:10.190
  • I DIDN'T KNOW WHO I WAS.
  • 00:20:10.190 --> 00:20:13.190
  • I WAS ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
  • 00:20:13.190 --> 00:20:16.090
  • I WAS THE WAY I LOOKED, OR I
  • 00:20:16.090 --> 00:20:17.180
  • WAS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY I COOKED,
  • 00:20:18.050 --> 00:20:21.050
  • OR, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAD TO
  • 00:20:21.270 --> 00:20:24.270
  • BE COMPLIMENTS, AND "I AGREE
  • 00:20:24.270 --> 00:20:26.060
  • WITH YOU," AND "YOU'RE RIGHT."
  • 00:20:26.060 --> 00:20:27.070
  • YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU FEEL SO
  • 00:20:27.070 --> 00:20:28.200
  • WRONG, YOU WANT SOMEBODY ELSE TO
  • 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:31.170
  • CONSTANTLY BE TELLING YOU THAT
  • 00:20:33.030 --> 00:20:36.030
  • YOU'RE RIGHT, AND SOONER OR
  • 00:20:36.030 --> 00:20:37.280
  • LATER, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET
  • 00:20:37.280 --> 00:20:39.090
  • TIRED OF KEEPING YOU FIXED
  • 00:20:39.090 --> 00:20:40.200
  • BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THEY CAN DO
  • 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:41.270
  • ALL DAY LONG IS MAKE YOU FEEL
  • 00:20:41.270 --> 00:20:42.240
  • GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF.
  • 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:44.190
  • - MATT: CAN I USE YOU AS A
  • 00:20:44.190 --> 00:20:46.070
  • REFEREE, JUST FOR A SECOND, AND
  • 00:20:46.070 --> 00:20:48.160
  • JUST-- I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT
  • 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:50.030
  • THERE'S CAMERAS HERE AND THAT
  • 00:20:50.030 --> 00:20:52.070
  • WE'RE RECORDING--
  • 00:20:52.070 --> 00:20:53.060
  • - LAURIE: HERE WE GO.
  • 00:20:53.060 --> 00:20:54.130
  • - MATT: I JUST WANNA--
  • 00:20:54.130 --> 00:20:55.230
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:20:55.230 --> 00:20:56.080
  • LET ME TELL YA KIND OF THE
  • 00:20:56.080 --> 00:20:57.080
  • OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID
  • 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.180
  • THAT MIGHT HAPPEN ONCE IN A
  • 00:21:00.180 --> 00:21:01.280
  • WHILE IS--
  • 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.000
  • - LAURIE: I LOVE WHEN WE PLAY
  • 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:06.290
  • THIS GAME WITH YOU, DON'T YOU?
  • 00:21:06.290 --> 00:21:08.050
  • - JOYCE: AND YOU HAVE TO BE
  • 00:21:08.050 --> 00:21:08.260
  • NICE 'CAUSE--
  • 00:21:08.260 --> 00:21:09.190
  • - LAURIE: YOU DO.
  • 00:21:09.190 --> 00:21:10.100
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:21:10.100 --> 00:21:10.250
  • - MATT: BUT REFEREE THIS
  • 00:21:10.250 --> 00:21:11.140
  • BECAUSE LAURIE WOULD NEVER TRY
  • 00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:13.130
  • TO CONVINCE ME SHE WAS RIGHT.
  • 00:21:13.130 --> 00:21:15.270
  • SHE WOULD CLAM UP AND PROBABLY
  • 00:21:15.270 --> 00:21:17.070
  • FEEL A LEVEL OF REJECTION THAT I
  • 00:21:17.070 --> 00:21:19.270
  • DIDN'T SEE IT THE WAY SHE DID OR
  • 00:21:19.270 --> 00:21:22.110
  • WHATEVER, BUT SHE WOULD NEVER
  • 00:21:22.110 --> 00:21:24.110
  • TRY TO OUT-VERBAL-SKILL ME.
  • 00:21:24.270 --> 00:21:27.270
  • - LAURIE: FIGHT WITH IT.
  • 00:21:27.270 --> 00:21:29.020
  • - MATT: YEAH, SHE WOULD JUST
  • 00:21:29.020 --> 00:21:30.020
  • CLAM UP AND KIND OF GO-- SO YOU
  • 00:21:30.020 --> 00:21:30.260
  • ARE A VERBAL COMMUNICATOR, SO
  • 00:21:31.090 --> 00:21:34.090
  • YOU WERE TRYING-- SHE WOULD BE
  • 00:21:34.090 --> 00:21:35.050
  • THE OPPOSITE OF THAT, BUT IT'S A
  • 00:21:35.050 --> 00:21:37.020
  • VERY SIMILAR THING.
  • 00:21:37.020 --> 00:21:39.070
  • IF WE EVER GET IN ANY KIND OF A
  • 00:21:39.070 --> 00:21:40.140
  • DISAGREEMENT OVER, FOR GOODNESS'
  • 00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:41.190
  • SAKES, THE COLOR OF A CANDLE--
  • 00:21:41.190 --> 00:21:44.160
  • IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS--
  • 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:46.000
  • THEN SHE WOULD PROBABLY JUST
  • 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:48.020
  • CLAM UP, SO THAT'D BE THE--
  • 00:21:48.020 --> 00:21:49.220
  • - JOYCE: WELL, SEE, I EXPLODE,
  • 00:21:49.220 --> 00:21:50.200
  • AND SHE IMPLODES.
  • 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:52.270
  • - MATT: THERE YOU GO, YEAH.
  • 00:21:52.270 --> 00:21:53.260
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:21:53.260 --> 00:21:55.080
  • - JOYCE: BUT BOTH ARE EQUALLY
  • 00:21:55.080 --> 00:21:56.000
  • DESTRUCTIVE.
  • 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:57.130
  • - MATT: BUT I'M RIGHT, RIGHT?
  • 00:21:57.130 --> 00:21:58.150
  • - LAURIE: HE'S ALWAYS RIGHT.
  • 00:21:58.150 --> 00:22:00.230
  • THAT'S THE PROBLEM, JOYCE.
  • 00:22:00.230 --> 00:22:01.130
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:22:01.130 --> 00:22:02.110
  • - MATT: I'M JUST TRYIN' TO GET
  • 00:22:02.110 --> 00:22:03.030
  • YOU TO SAY I'M RIGHT IS ALL I--
  • 00:22:03.030 --> 00:22:04.020
  • - JOYCE: ALL MEN ARE ALWAYS
  • 00:22:04.020 --> 00:22:04.230
  • RIGHT.
  • 00:22:04.230 --> 00:22:06.090
  • - MATT: THERE YOU GO.
  • 00:22:06.090 --> 00:22:07.080
  • OH, THERE'S THE INSTAGRAM QUOTE.
  • 00:22:07.080 --> 00:22:09.210
  • THERE IT IS, RIGHT THERE.
  • 00:22:09.210 --> 00:22:10.260
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, IT'S LIKE AT
  • 00:22:10.260 --> 00:22:11.250
  • LEAST THEY THINK THEY ARE.
  • 00:22:11.250 --> 00:22:12.230
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:22:12.230 --> 00:22:14.040
  • THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE REVELATION
  • 00:22:14.040 --> 00:22:14.290
  • WHEN THEY GET TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:22:14.290 --> 00:22:16.250
  • - LAURIE: GO AHEAD AND BRING
  • 00:22:16.250 --> 00:22:17.200
  • THAT.
  • 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:18.100
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:22:18.100 --> 00:22:18.250
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:22:18.250 --> 00:22:19.180
  • I TOLD DAVE THE OTHER DAY, I
  • 00:22:19.180 --> 00:22:20.090
  • SAID, "YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET TO
  • 00:22:20.090 --> 00:22:21.020
  • HEAVEN, YOU'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE
  • 00:22:21.020 --> 00:22:23.170
  • BIT BORED BECAUSE THE REST OF US
  • 00:22:23.170 --> 00:22:25.060
  • ARE GONNA KNOW EVERYTHING WE'VE
  • 00:22:25.060 --> 00:22:27.230
  • NEVER KNOWN."
  • 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:31.200
  • YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS,
  • 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:32.250
  • "YOU'LL KNOW EVEN AS YOU'RE
  • 00:22:32.250 --> 00:22:33.290
  • KNOWN," BUT I SAID, "YOU
  • 00:22:33.290 --> 00:22:35.020
  • ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING."
  • 00:22:35.020 --> 00:22:35.280
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:22:35.280 --> 00:22:37.140
  • SO THERE'S GONNA BE NOTHING
  • 00:22:37.140 --> 00:22:38.090
  • FOR--
  • 00:22:38.090 --> 00:22:39.180
  • - LAURIE: NO SURPRISES FOR YOU.
  • 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:40.160
  • - JOYCE: THERE'S GONNA BE NO
  • 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:41.200
  • SURPRISES AT ALL FOR YOU.
  • 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:42.210
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:22:42.210 --> 00:22:44.140
  • - MATT: WHAT'S FUNNY?
  • 00:22:44.140 --> 00:22:47.120
  • - LAURIE: YOU AND DAVE ARE JUST
  • 00:22:47.120 --> 00:22:48.180
  • SUCH GOOD FRIENDS.
  • 00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:49.170
  • - MATT: YEAH, I GOTCHA, ALL
  • 00:22:49.170 --> 00:22:50.110
  • RIGHT.
  • 00:22:50.110 --> 00:22:51.000
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:51.200
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT
  • 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:52.160
  • WE RESPOND TO THINGS ARE
  • 00:22:52.220 --> 00:22:55.220
  • PARTIALLY DEPENDENT, LARGE PART
  • 00:22:55.220 --> 00:22:58.010
  • DEPENDENT ON OUR TEMPERAMENT.
  • 00:22:58.010 --> 00:23:00.130
  • LIKE, I KNOW A WOMAN IN MINISTRY
  • 00:23:01.170 --> 00:23:04.170
  • WHO WAS ALSO ABUSED SEXUALLY BY
  • 00:23:04.170 --> 00:23:07.000
  • A FAMILY MEMBER LIKE I WAS, AND
  • 00:23:07.090 --> 00:23:10.090
  • I CAME OUT OF IT LIKE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:23:10.090 --> 00:23:12.240
  • A BULL IN A CHINA CABINET, AND
  • 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.120
  • SHE SHRUNK BACK WITHIN HERSELF
  • 00:23:14.120 --> 00:23:17.110
  • AND WOULD NEVER CONFRONT
  • 00:23:17.110 --> 00:23:18.060
  • ANYTHING.
  • 00:23:18.060 --> 00:23:20.020
  • AND THEY'RE BOTH EQUALLY
  • 00:23:20.020 --> 00:23:22.050
  • DESTRUCTIVE, AND THEY'RE BOTH
  • 00:23:22.050 --> 00:23:23.290
  • EQUALLY WRONG BECAUSE IF YOU DO
  • 00:23:24.030 --> 00:23:27.030
  • WHAT YOU'VE DONE, YOU END UP
  • 00:23:27.030 --> 00:23:28.290
  • LETTING PEOPLE WALK ALL OVER YOU
  • 00:23:28.290 --> 00:23:30.220
  • ALL THE TIME BECAUSE YOU WON'T
  • 00:23:30.220 --> 00:23:32.020
  • SPEAK UP FOR YOURSELF.
  • 00:23:32.020 --> 00:23:34.290
  • YOU WON'T TAKE UP FOR YOURSELF,
  • 00:23:34.290 --> 00:23:36.250
  • AND YOU NEED TO DO THAT.
  • 00:23:36.250 --> 00:23:38.020
  • I WAS ON THE OTHER END OF THE
  • 00:23:38.020 --> 00:23:39.190
  • EXTREME WHERE-- I MEAN, I
  • 00:23:39.190 --> 00:23:41.130
  • CONFRONTED EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:23:41.130 --> 00:23:43.090
  • NO RIGHT TIMING, NO RIGHT PLACE,
  • 00:23:43.090 --> 00:23:45.130
  • YOU KNOW, NO DOIN' IT QUIETLY OR
  • 00:23:45.130 --> 00:23:47.160
  • PRIVATELY.
  • 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.070
  • I WAS JUST, LIKE, IF I FELT IT,
  • 00:23:49.070 --> 00:23:50.080
  • "BWAAHH," OUT IT CAME.
  • 00:23:50.080 --> 00:23:51.270
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:23:51.270 --> 00:23:53.160
  • - LAURIE: YEAH, SEE, I LOVE TO
  • 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:54.110
  • WATCH THAT.
  • 00:23:54.110 --> 00:23:54.250
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:23:54.250 --> 00:23:55.160
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:56.220
  • AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:23:56.220 --> 00:23:58.070
  • WE HAVE TO LEARN TO UNDERSTAND
  • 00:23:58.150 --> 00:24:01.170
  • WHERE SOME OF THIS BEHAVIOR'S
  • 00:24:01.170 --> 00:24:02.250
  • COMING FROM.
  • 00:24:02.250 --> 00:24:04.130
  • AND SOMETHING THAT IS AMAZING TO
  • 00:24:04.130 --> 00:24:05.260
  • ME, IT'S AMAZING WHAT GOD'LL
  • 00:24:05.290 --> 00:24:08.290
  • TELL YA IF YOU JUST ASK HIM.
  • 00:24:08.290 --> 00:24:09.200
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:10.280
  • - JOYCE: WHY DID I DO THAT?
  • 00:24:11.070 --> 00:24:14.070
  • ONE NIGHT, I WAS TOSSIN' AND
  • 00:24:14.070 --> 00:24:15.200
  • TURNIN'.
  • 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:16.040
  • I COULDN'T SLEEP, AND I USUALLY
  • 00:24:16.040 --> 00:24:16.260
  • SLEEP PRETTY GOOD, AND I DON'T
  • 00:24:16.260 --> 00:24:17.220
  • KNOW WHY IT TOOK ME TILL 5 A.M.,
  • 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:20.030
  • BUT FINALLY AT 5 A.M., I SAID,
  • 00:24:20.030 --> 00:24:21.050
  • "GOD, WHAT IS WRONG?"
  • 00:24:21.050 --> 00:24:23.100
  • AND IMMEDIATELY, HE SHOWED ME
  • 00:24:23.100 --> 00:24:24.230
  • THAT I HAD REALLY HURT
  • 00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:27.090
  • SOMEBODY'S FEELINGS THE DAY
  • 00:24:27.090 --> 00:24:28.110
  • BEFORE AND NEVER BOTHERED TO
  • 00:24:28.110 --> 00:24:31.110
  • TELL THEM I WAS SORRY, NEVER
  • 00:24:31.110 --> 00:24:33.180
  • REPENTED FOR IT, AND AS SOON AS
  • 00:24:34.010 --> 00:24:37.010
  • I DID, I WENT TO SLEEP, BUT I
  • 00:24:37.010 --> 00:24:39.010
  • DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER UNTIL I
  • 00:24:39.010 --> 00:24:40.160
  • ASKED.
  • 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:41.250
  • "YOU HAVE NOT BECAUSE YOU ASK
  • 00:24:41.250 --> 00:24:42.160
  • NOT."
  • 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.120
  • SO INSTEAD OF ASKING GOD
  • 00:24:44.120 --> 00:24:45.260
  • WHAT'S WRONG WITH EVERYBODY
  • 00:24:45.260 --> 00:24:46.290
  • ELSE, WE NEED TO START ASKIN'
  • 00:24:48.070 --> 00:24:51.070
  • HIM, WE NEED TO START OWNING OUR
  • 00:24:51.070 --> 00:24:52.020
  • REACTIONS TO THINGS, NOT JUST
  • 00:24:53.110 --> 00:24:56.110
  • BLAMING, BUT OWNING OUR REACTION
  • 00:24:56.110 --> 00:24:57.220
  • TO THINGS.
  • 00:24:57.220 --> 00:24:58.280
  • WHEN YOU STOP MAKIN' EXCUSES FOR
  • 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:02.260
  • ALL YOUR WRONG BEHAVIOR, I MEAN,
  • 00:25:02.260 --> 00:25:05.250
  • THINGS START TO CHANGE PRETTY
  • 00:25:05.250 --> 00:25:08.090
  • RAPIDLY,
  • 00:25:08.090 --> 00:25:09.180
  • JESUS SAID, "THE TRUTH WILL MAKE
  • 00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:12.050
  • YOU FREE,"
  • 00:25:12.050 --> 00:25:12.270
  • BUT IT'S NOT THE TRUTH ABOUT
  • 00:25:12.270 --> 00:25:14.050
  • SOMEBODY ELSE THAT MAKES
  • 00:25:14.050 --> 00:25:14.280
  • ME FREE.
  • 00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:15.260
  • IT'S THE TRUTH ABOUT ME
  • 00:25:15.260 --> 00:25:17.120
  • THAT MAKES ME FREE.
  • 00:25:17.120 --> 00:25:19.240
  • - MATT: WHERE ELSE DO YOU WANT
  • 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:20.220
  • TO GO HERE?
  • 00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:22.030
  • WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANNA UNPACK?
  • 00:25:22.030 --> 00:25:23.030
  • - LAURIE: I LOVE WHAT YOU SAY.
  • 00:25:23.030 --> 00:25:23.290
  • YOU SAID, "TRUE FREEDOM IS
  • 00:25:23.290 --> 00:25:24.280
  • INSIDE OF US, NOT AROUND US."
  • 00:25:24.280 --> 00:25:26.060
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT, YUP.
  • 00:25:26.060 --> 00:25:27.080
  • - LAURIE: I LOVE THAT PART.
  • 00:25:27.080 --> 00:25:28.070
  • THERE'S SO MANY AMAZING--
  • 00:25:28.070 --> 00:25:30.010
  • - JOYCE: THERE'S SO MANY GOOD
  • 00:25:30.010 --> 00:25:30.230
  • THINGS.
  • 00:25:30.230 --> 00:25:31.110
  • ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS
  • 00:25:31.110 --> 00:25:32.070
  • EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO ME AS FAR
  • 00:25:32.070 --> 00:25:33.290
  • AS FORGIVING IS GOD TOLD ME,
  • 00:25:33.290 --> 00:25:36.270
  • "HURTING PEOPLE HURT PEOPLE."
  • 00:25:36.270 --> 00:25:38.230
  • AND SO MOST OF THE PEOPLE--
  • 00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:41.020
  • IF YOU'RE WATCHING AND
  • 00:25:41.020 --> 00:25:43.250
  • YOU'VE BEEN REALLY HURT BY
  • 00:25:43.250 --> 00:25:45.030
  • SOMEBODY, THEY HURT YOU OUT OF
  • 00:25:45.170 --> 00:25:48.170
  • THEIR HURT, AND IF YOU REALIZE
  • 00:25:48.170 --> 00:25:50.170
  • THAT, THEN IT DOES MAKE IT A
  • 00:25:50.170 --> 00:25:52.110
  • LITTLE BIT EASIER TO FORGIVE
  • 00:25:52.110 --> 00:25:53.090
  • THEM.
  • 00:25:53.090 --> 00:25:56.000
  • MY FATHER HAD NOT BEEN RAISED
  • 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:57.270
  • RIGHT, AND THERE WAS INCEST IN
  • 00:25:57.270 --> 00:25:59.130
  • HIS HOME, WHICH I FOUND OUT
  • 00:25:59.130 --> 00:26:01.100
  • LATER, AND HE WASN'T TREATED
  • 00:26:01.100 --> 00:26:04.080
  • RIGHT BY HIS DAD, AND HIS DAD
  • 00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:07.140
  • WAS A CHRISTIAN, AND, YET HE WAS
  • 00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:08.210
  • A MEAN CHRISTIAN, AND THAT
  • 00:26:08.210 --> 00:26:10.110
  • DOESN'T ALWAYS SET WELL WITH THE
  • 00:26:10.110 --> 00:26:13.070
  • PEOPLE AROUND YOU, AND SO HE
  • 00:26:13.120 --> 00:26:16.120
  • WAS-- ALREADY HAD TWO STRIKES
  • 00:26:18.230 --> 00:26:21.230
  • AGAINST HIM WHEN HE STARTED--
  • 00:26:21.230 --> 00:26:23.140
  • AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE WHAT HE
  • 00:26:23.140 --> 00:26:24.280
  • DID OKAY, BUT IT DOES MAKE IT
  • 00:26:24.280 --> 00:26:26.120
  • EASIER TO FORGIVE IF YOU REALIZE
  • 00:26:26.130 --> 00:26:29.130
  • THAT PEOPLE ARE HURTING YOU OUT
  • 00:26:30.100 --> 00:26:33.100
  • OF THEIR OWN PAIN.
  • 00:26:33.130 --> 00:26:36.130
  • AND THEN ANOTHER CHAPTER IN HERE
  • 00:26:36.130 --> 00:26:38.040
  • THAT I REALLY ENJOYED PREACHING
  • 00:26:38.040 --> 00:26:40.020
  • THIS MESSAGE WAS
  • 00:26:40.020 --> 00:26:40.260
  • "NO PARKING AT ANY TIME."
  • 00:26:40.260 --> 00:26:42.060
  • ONE DAY, I WAS DRIVING DOWN
  • 00:26:42.060 --> 00:26:43.180
  • THE STREET, AND I JUST SAW
  • 00:26:43.180 --> 00:26:44.130
  • THIS SIGN,
  • 00:26:44.130 --> 00:26:45.030
  • "NO PARKING AT ANY TIME,"
  • 00:26:45.030 --> 00:26:46.210
  • AND IT, JUST, LIKE,
  • 00:26:46.210 --> 00:26:47.120
  • EXPLODED INTO ME.
  • 00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:48.230
  • I THOUGHT, "THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE
  • 00:26:48.230 --> 00:26:49.230
  • DO WITH THEIR LIFE."
  • 00:26:49.230 --> 00:26:50.260
  • THEY PARK AT THE POINT OF
  • 00:26:50.260 --> 00:26:51.230
  • THEIR PAIN, AND THEY DON'T
  • 00:26:51.230 --> 00:26:53.000
  • GO ANYWHERE ELSE.
  • 00:26:53.260 --> 00:26:56.260
  • AND I HAPPENED TO SEE A MOVIE--
  • 00:26:56.260 --> 00:26:59.210
  • I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER SAW
  • 00:26:59.210 --> 00:27:00.240
  • IT-- IT'S ABOUT-- I THINK IT'S
  • 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.060
  • CALLED "THE YELLOW VAN," OR
  • 00:27:03.060 --> 00:27:04.230
  • SOMETHIN', AND THIS IS ACTUALLY
  • 00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:05.180
  • A TRUE STORY.
  • 00:27:05.180 --> 00:27:07.140
  • IT WAS ABOUT A WOMAN WHO WAS
  • 00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:09.150
  • HOMELESS, AND SHE LIVED IN THIS
  • 00:27:09.150 --> 00:27:11.170
  • YELLOW VAN THAT SHE HAD PAINTED
  • 00:27:11.170 --> 00:27:12.220
  • YELLOW.
  • 00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:16.180
  • THEY KEPT RUNNING HER OFF
  • 00:27:16.180 --> 00:27:17.070
  • THE STREET.
  • 00:27:17.070 --> 00:27:18.160
  • SHE'D PARK ON THE STREET, AND
  • 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:19.170
  • THEY'D LET HER STAY THERE SO
  • 00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:20.230
  • LONG, SO, FINALLY, SHE WENT TO
  • 00:27:20.230 --> 00:27:22.100
  • THIS PERSON'S HOUSE AND ASKED IF
  • 00:27:22.100 --> 00:27:23.200
  • SHE COULD PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY
  • 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.180
  • FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME
  • 00:27:26.180 --> 00:27:28.130
  • BECAUSE SHE FOUND OUT SHE COULD
  • 00:27:28.130 --> 00:27:30.010
  • GET SOME MONEY FROM THE
  • 00:27:30.010 --> 00:27:31.160
  • GOVERNMENT MONTHLY IF SHE HAD AN
  • 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.100
  • ADDRESS.
  • 00:27:33.100 --> 00:27:35.250
  • BUT SHE DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
  • 00:27:35.250 --> 00:27:37.230
  • SO HE DIDN'T REALLY WANNA DO
  • 00:27:37.230 --> 00:27:38.180
  • IT--
  • 00:27:38.180 --> 00:27:39.220
  • THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED OVER
  • 00:27:39.220 --> 00:27:40.120
  • IN ENGLAND--
  • 00:27:40.120 --> 00:27:41.160
  • BUT HE LET HER PARK THERE.
  • 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:42.110
  • WELL, SHE ENDED UP STAYIN' THERE
  • 00:27:42.110 --> 00:27:43.180
  • FOR, LIKE, YEARS AND YEARS, AND
  • 00:27:43.180 --> 00:27:45.160
  • YEARS, BUT THE ULTIMATE-- I
  • 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.040
  • MEAN, IT'S A LONG STORY, BUT TO
  • 00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:50.100
  • GET TO THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF
  • 00:27:50.100 --> 00:27:52.180
  • IT, SHE WAS A CONCERT PIANIST.
  • 00:27:52.180 --> 00:27:55.050
  • SHE'D PRAYED-- I MEAN, PLAYED
  • 00:27:55.050 --> 00:27:57.190
  • BEFORE KINGS AND QUEENS AND WAS
  • 00:27:57.190 --> 00:27:58.260
  • JUST PHENOMENAL.
  • 00:27:59.050 --> 00:28:02.070
  • SHE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY LOVED
  • 00:28:02.070 --> 00:28:03.250
  • GOD, SO SHE BECAME A NUN, AND
  • 00:28:03.250 --> 00:28:06.020
  • SHE HAPPENED TO HAVE A MOTHER
  • 00:28:06.110 --> 00:28:09.110
  • SUPERIOR THAT WAS NOT VERY KIND
  • 00:28:10.130 --> 00:28:13.130
  • AND WAS REALLY JEALOUS OF HER
  • 00:28:13.130 --> 00:28:15.160
  • PIANO GIFT, AND SO SHE TOLD HER
  • 00:28:16.030 --> 00:28:19.030
  • THAT GOD WANTED HER TO GIVE IT
  • 00:28:19.030 --> 00:28:21.270
  • UP BECAUSE IT WAS PRIDEFUL, AND
  • 00:28:21.270 --> 00:28:24.190
  • SO THAT HURT HER SO BAD, AND THE
  • 00:28:24.190 --> 00:28:26.240
  • WAY THEY TREATED HER HURT HER SO
  • 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.220
  • BAD, THAT SHE ENDED UP LEAVING
  • 00:28:28.220 --> 00:28:31.130
  • AND HAVING SOME KIND OF, LIKE, A
  • 00:28:31.130 --> 00:28:33.070
  • MENTAL BREAKDOWN, AND THEN, AT
  • 00:28:33.070 --> 00:28:34.290
  • ONE POINT IN HER LIFE, SHE HAD
  • 00:28:34.290 --> 00:28:36.120
  • HIT A YOUNG MAN IN THE STREET
  • 00:28:36.120 --> 00:28:38.120
  • AND KILLED HIM, AND SO BETWEEN
  • 00:28:38.120 --> 00:28:40.240
  • CARRYING THE GUILT OF THAT AND
  • 00:28:41.260 --> 00:28:44.260
  • WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HER, SHE
  • 00:28:44.260 --> 00:28:46.190
  • ENDED UP BEIN' HOMELESS AND
  • 00:28:46.190 --> 00:28:48.230
  • LIVING IN HER VAN, AND, OF
  • 00:28:48.230 --> 00:28:51.070
  • COURSE, THIS PART OF THE STORY
  • 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.200
  • WAS FICTIONAL, BUT WHEN SHE GOT
  • 00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:56.140
  • TO HEAVEN, THE FIRST PERSON--
  • 00:28:56.140 --> 00:28:57.240
  • SHE DIED IN HER VAN, BY THE WAY.
  • 00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:58.190
  • WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU DIE WHERE
  • 00:28:58.190 --> 00:29:00.080
  • YOU PARK.
  • 00:29:00.080 --> 00:29:01.000
  • FIRST PERSON SHE SAW WHEN SHE
  • 00:29:02.230 --> 00:29:05.230
  • GOT TO HEAVEN WAS THIS YOUNG
  • 00:29:05.230 --> 00:29:07.030
  • MAN THAT SHE HAD BLAMED HERSELF
  • 00:29:07.060 --> 00:29:10.060
  • FOR KILLING, ALL THESE YEARS,
  • 00:29:10.060 --> 00:29:11.080
  • AND HE SAID, "YOU DIDN'T
  • 00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:12.060
  • KILL ME.
  • 00:29:12.060 --> 00:29:12.260
  • I STEPPED OUT IN FRONT OF YOUR
  • 00:29:12.260 --> 00:29:13.180
  • CAR ON PURPOSE."
  • 00:29:13.180 --> 00:29:15.170
  • - MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:29:15.170 --> 00:29:16.060
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, ME BEING
  • 00:29:16.060 --> 00:29:17.100
  • ABUSED, I CARRIED THE GUILT OF
  • 00:29:17.100 --> 00:29:18.020
  • THAT.
  • 00:29:18.020 --> 00:29:19.080
  • I THOUGHT, "WELL, WHAT'S WRONG
  • 00:29:19.080 --> 00:29:20.040
  • WITH ME THAT MY FATHER WANTS TO
  • 00:29:20.040 --> 00:29:20.260
  • DO THAT TO ME?"
  • 00:29:20.260 --> 00:29:22.250
  • AND HOW MANY PEOPLE-- SOMEBODY
  • 00:29:22.250 --> 00:29:24.200
  • ELSE IS DYSFUNCTIONAL AND
  • 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.200
  • THEY'RE HURTING YOU-- BUT, I
  • 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.210
  • MEAN, HOW MANY WOMEN WHOSE
  • 00:29:29.210 --> 00:29:31.050
  • HUSBANDS CHEAT ON THEM, THINK,
  • 00:29:31.050 --> 00:29:32.230
  • "WELL, IT MUST'VE BEEN MY
  • 00:29:32.230 --> 00:29:34.170
  • FAULT"?
  • 00:29:34.170 --> 00:29:36.150
  • YOU KNOW, "I WASN'T PRETTY
  • 00:29:36.150 --> 00:29:37.160
  • ENOUGH" OR "I WASN'T 'THIS'
  • 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:38.110
  • ENOUGH," OR-- YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:29:38.110 --> 00:29:39.170
  • DEVIL ALWAYS WANTS US TO THINK
  • 00:29:39.170 --> 00:29:40.190
  • WE'RE NOT ENOUGH, AND THAT'S WHY
  • 00:29:40.190 --> 00:29:41.230
  • PEOPLE MISTREAT US, AND I JUST
  • 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.000
  • DON'T WANNA SEE PEOPLE JUST PARK
  • 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.160
  • THEIR LIFE AT THE POINT OF THEIR
  • 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.140
  • PAIN AND STAY THERE THE REST OF
  • 00:29:51.140 --> 00:29:54.080
  • YOUR LIFE, LIVING SOME KIND OF A
  • 00:29:54.080 --> 00:29:56.020
  • HALF-LIFE, WHEN JESUS DIED FOR
  • 00:29:56.020 --> 00:29:58.130
  • YOU TO BE MADE COMPLETELY WHOLE,
  • 00:29:59.020 --> 00:30:02.020
  • AND THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT THE
  • 00:30:02.020 --> 00:30:03.280
  • SOUL BEIN' HEALTHY, I MEAN, THE
  • 00:30:03.280 --> 00:30:05.180
  • THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO ME AND
  • 00:30:05.180 --> 00:30:07.210
  • THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO
  • 00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:09.010
  • OTHER PEOPLE, IT AFFECTS HOW YOU
  • 00:30:09.010 --> 00:30:09.240
  • THAT'S WHY THE BIBLE SAYS
  • 00:30:13.010 --> 00:30:13.270
  • CLEARLY THAT ONE OF THE FIRST
  • 00:30:13.270 --> 00:30:15.270
  • THINGS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS YOU
  • 00:30:15.270 --> 00:30:17.290
  • HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR
  • 00:30:17.290 --> 00:30:19.040
  • MIND RENEWED THROUGH THE WORD OF
  • 00:30:19.040 --> 00:30:21.010
  • GOD.
  • 00:30:21.010 --> 00:30:23.280
  • LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE DEVIL TOLD
  • 00:30:23.280 --> 00:30:25.070
  • ME ALL MY LIFE, "WHAT'S WRONG
  • 00:30:25.070 --> 00:30:26.040
  • WITH YOU?"
  • 00:30:26.040 --> 00:30:26.270
  • WELL, THE FIRST THING I STUDY IS
  • 00:30:26.270 --> 00:30:28.030
  • SO THE ENEMY WANTS TO REMIND US
  • 00:30:31.020 --> 00:30:32.220
  • DAILY OF EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG
  • 00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:34.150
  • WITH US, BUT THE BIBLE SAYS, "HE
  • 00:30:34.150 --> 00:30:36.270
  • THAT KNEW NO SIN BECAME SIN THAT
  • 00:30:36.270 --> 00:30:39.170
  • WE MIGHT BE MADE THE
  • 00:30:39.170 --> 00:30:40.130
  • RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST,"
  • 00:30:40.130 --> 00:30:42.280
  • AND SO THE MORE YOU THINK YOU'RE
  • 00:30:42.280 --> 00:30:45.110
  • WRONG, THE MORE WRONG THINGS
  • 00:30:45.110 --> 00:30:46.220
  • YOU'LL DO, BUT THE MORE YOU
  • 00:30:46.220 --> 00:30:48.210
  • BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT WITH
  • 00:30:48.210 --> 00:30:50.160
  • GOD THROUGH JESUS' SACRIFICE,
  • 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.210
  • THE MORE RIGHT THINGS YOU'LL DO.
  • 00:30:52.210 --> 00:30:55.040
  • GOD NEVER EXPECTS US TO DO
  • 00:30:55.040 --> 00:30:56.270
  • ANYTHING WITHOUT GIVING US THE
  • 00:30:56.270 --> 00:30:58.050
  • EQUIPMENT TO DO IT, SO HE
  • 00:30:58.050 --> 00:30:59.100
  • FORGIVES US FIRST SO WE CAN
  • 00:30:59.100 --> 00:31:00.210
  • FORGIVE OTHER PEOPLE.
  • 00:31:00.210 --> 00:31:03.140
  • HE'S MERCIFUL TO US SO WE CAN BE
  • 00:31:03.140 --> 00:31:06.050
  • MERCIFUL TO OTHERS.
  • 00:31:06.050 --> 00:31:08.050
  • HE LOVES US--
  • 00:31:08.050 --> 00:31:09.080
  • - LAURIE: YEAH, HE GIVES US
  • 00:31:09.080 --> 00:31:09.290
  • THAT ABILITY.
  • 00:31:09.290 --> 00:31:10.120
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, SO WE CAN LOVE
  • 00:31:10.120 --> 00:31:11.130
  • OTHER PEOPLE, AND SO HE NEVER
  • 00:31:11.130 --> 00:31:12.040
  • ASKS US TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S
  • 00:31:12.040 --> 00:31:15.010
  • NOT GONNA BE FOR OUR BENEFIT.
  • 00:31:15.010 --> 00:31:16.270
  • SO EVEN WHEN SOMETHING IS HARD,
  • 00:31:16.270 --> 00:31:18.240
  • GOD'S TRYIN' TO SET YOU FREE
  • 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.260
  • FROM SOMETHIN' THAT'S GONNA BE
  • 00:31:20.260 --> 00:31:22.080
  • MUCH HARDER IF YOU KEEP IT.
  • 00:31:22.100 --> 00:31:25.100
  • SO THAT, TO ME, WAS A REALLY
  • 00:31:25.100 --> 00:31:27.220
  • IMPORTANT CHAPTER IN THE BOOK
  • 00:31:28.130 --> 00:31:31.130
  • 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO
  • 00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:32.100
  • MAKE A DECISION THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:31:32.100 --> 00:31:34.060
  • GONNA PUT YOUR LIFE IN "DRIVE"
  • 00:31:34.060 --> 00:31:36.050
  • AGAIN AND STOP JUST BLAMING
  • 00:31:36.050 --> 00:31:39.050
  • EVERYTHING ON WHAT PEOPLE DID TO
  • 00:31:39.050 --> 00:31:40.080
  • YOU OR WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU.
  • 00:31:40.080 --> 00:31:41.210
  • - MATT: WE'VE HEARD IT SAID
  • 00:31:41.210 --> 00:31:42.250
  • SIMILARLY THAT "THE POINT OF
  • 00:31:42.250 --> 00:31:45.150
  • YOUR PAIN WILL EITHER BE YOUR
  • 00:31:45.150 --> 00:31:47.020
  • PRISON OR YOUR PLATFORM."
  • 00:31:47.020 --> 00:31:48.140
  • - JOYCE: THAT'S VERY GOOD.
  • 00:31:48.140 --> 00:31:49.080
  • - MATT: AND WE ARE UNPACKING
  • 00:31:49.080 --> 00:31:50.240
  • "HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN,"
  • 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.180
  • WITH JOYCE MEYER.
  • 00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:54.220
  • THIS IS ABOUT HER 121ST OR -22ND
  • 00:31:54.220 --> 00:31:56.260
  • BOOK.
  • 00:31:56.260 --> 00:31:58.280
  • SHE IS A NUMBER ONE "NEW YORK
  • 00:31:58.280 --> 00:32:01.060
  • TIMES" BEST-SELLING AUTHOR, AND
  • 00:32:01.060 --> 00:32:02.160
  • WE ARE UNPACKING HER LATEST
  • 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.250
  • BOOK, OKAY.
  • 00:32:04.180 --> 00:32:07.180
  • - LAURIE: MORE IMPORTANT-- KEEP
  • 00:32:07.180 --> 00:32:09.220
  • GOIN'.
  • 00:32:09.220 --> 00:32:10.090
  • I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THINGS THAT
  • 00:32:10.090 --> 00:32:12.100
  • YOU LOVE TO PREACH OUT OF THIS
  • 00:32:12.100 --> 00:32:13.150
  • BOOK.
  • 00:32:13.150 --> 00:32:15.030
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I MEAN, I WANNA
  • 00:32:15.030 --> 00:32:15.250
  • HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY
  • 00:32:15.250 --> 00:32:16.170
  • TOO.
  • 00:32:16.170 --> 00:32:17.070
  • - LAURIE: OKAY, A PSYCHOLOGIST,
  • 00:32:17.070 --> 00:32:19.050
  • ONCE, THAT YOU INTERVIEWED ONE
  • 00:32:19.050 --> 00:32:21.060
  • TIME, SAID THAT "A WOMAN NEEDS
  • 00:32:21.060 --> 00:32:22.070
  • TO MAKE PEACE WITH THEIR
  • 00:32:22.070 --> 00:32:24.020
  • THIGHS."
  • 00:32:24.020 --> 00:32:26.030
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:32:26.030 --> 00:32:26.200
  • ARE YOU GONNA EXPLAIN THAT?
  • 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:27.150
  • - MATT: I'M GONNA LEAVE NOW.
  • 00:32:27.150 --> 00:32:28.060
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:32:28.060 --> 00:32:30.100
  • - JOYCE: WELL, BASICALLY, WHAT
  • 00:32:30.100 --> 00:32:31.110
  • SHE WAS TALKIN' ABOUT IS YOU
  • 00:32:31.110 --> 00:32:32.190
  • HAVE TO GET AROUND TO THE POINT
  • 00:32:32.190 --> 00:32:34.030
  • OF ACCEPTING YOURSELF AS YOU ARE
  • 00:32:35.090 --> 00:32:38.090
  • BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE ANY PROGRESS
  • 00:32:38.090 --> 00:32:40.040
  • - LAURIE: IS THAT LIKE NUMBER
  • 00:32:44.030 --> 00:32:44.240
  • ONE, POINT NUMBER ONE, OF WHAT
  • 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:45.220
  • WE HAVE TO CHANGE TO GO TO BE
  • 00:32:45.220 --> 00:32:46.260
  • HEALED?
  • 00:32:46.260 --> 00:32:49.080
  • PEOPLE WANT THIS.
  • 00:32:49.080 --> 00:32:51.240
  • WE WANT OUR EMOTIONS AND OUR
  • 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:52.290
  • SPIRIT AND OUR MIND TO BE
  • 00:32:52.290 --> 00:32:53.270
  • WHAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT WE
  • 00:32:57.020 --> 00:32:58.020
  • NEED TO DO, PROBABLY, BESIDES
  • 00:32:58.020 --> 00:32:59.240
  • JUST "RENEW YOUR MIND WITH THE
  • 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.080
  • WORD OF GOD"?
  • 00:33:01.080 --> 00:33:01.230
  • - JOYCE: WELL, THE FIRST THING
  • 00:33:02.020 --> 00:33:05.020
  • IS YOU NEED TO RECEIVE JESUS
  • 00:33:05.020 --> 00:33:05.240
  • CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BECAUSE
  • 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:06.220
  • YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND DO IT
  • 00:33:08.080 --> 00:33:11.080
  • RIGHT IF YOU DON'T HAVE HIM
  • 00:33:11.080 --> 00:33:13.140
  • HELPING YOU AND LIVING ON THE
  • 00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:15.130
  • INSIDE OF YOU TO BEGIN TO REVEAL
  • 00:33:15.130 --> 00:33:18.010
  • TO YOU AND SHOW THINGS TO YOU.
  • 00:33:18.010 --> 00:33:19.290
  • YOU KNOW, HAVIN' A RELATIONSHIP
  • 00:33:19.290 --> 00:33:21.260
  • WITH JESUS ISN'T JUST ABOUT "OH,
  • 00:33:21.260 --> 00:33:23.060
  • GOOD, I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO HELL
  • 00:33:23.060 --> 00:33:25.290
  • WHEN I DIE.
  • 00:33:25.290 --> 00:33:26.220
  • I GET TO GO TO HEAVEN."
  • 00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:28.290
  • HE DIED FOR YOU TO HAVE A
  • 00:33:28.290 --> 00:33:29.180
  • GREAT LIFE,
  • 00:33:29.180 --> 00:33:30.190
  • AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE NEXT
  • 00:33:30.190 --> 00:33:32.060
  • THING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN,
  • 00:33:32.060 --> 00:33:34.130
  • LAURIE, IS YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE
  • 00:33:34.130 --> 00:33:35.280
  • THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, THAT
  • 00:33:35.280 --> 00:33:38.220
  • IT'S NOT EVERYBODY ELSE THAT HAS
  • 00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:39.200
  • A PROBLEM.
  • 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:40.070
  • SEE, I THOUGHT EVERYBODY ELSE
  • 00:33:40.070 --> 00:33:41.170
  • HAD A PROBLEM.
  • 00:33:41.170 --> 00:33:42.240
  • I THOUGHT, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH
  • 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:43.150
  • DAVE?
  • 00:33:43.150 --> 00:33:44.050
  • WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY KIDS?
  • 00:33:44.050 --> 00:33:45.180
  • WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY NEIGHBOR?
  • 00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:47.190
  • WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY PARENTS?"
  • 00:33:47.190 --> 00:33:49.130
  • IT WAS ALWAYS SOMEBODY ELSE.
  • 00:33:49.130 --> 00:33:51.100
  • IT WASN'T ME, AND I REMEMBER AN
  • 00:33:51.100 --> 00:33:53.250
  • EXPERIENCE I HAD WHEN I WAS
  • 00:33:53.250 --> 00:33:55.120
  • PRAYIN' ONE DAY FOR DAVE TO
  • 00:33:55.120 --> 00:33:57.040
  • CHANGE, AND, I MEAN, I WAS GOIN'
  • 00:33:57.040 --> 00:33:58.150
  • AFTER IT.
  • 00:33:58.150 --> 00:34:00.260
  • I PRAYED LOUD AND LONG AND--
  • 00:34:00.260 --> 00:34:02.190
  • "OH, GOD, YOU GOTTA CHANGE
  • 00:34:02.190 --> 00:34:03.280
  • DAVE," YOU KNOW.
  • 00:34:03.280 --> 00:34:05.040
  • I'D LAY DOWN ON THE FLOOR ON MY
  • 00:34:05.040 --> 00:34:06.210
  • FACE AND GET REAL DRAMATIC:
  • 00:34:06.210 --> 00:34:08.140
  • "GOD, YOU GOTTA CHANGE DAVE.
  • 00:34:08.160 --> 00:34:11.160
  • I CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE."
  • 00:34:11.160 --> 00:34:12.100
  • AND I HEARD THE HOLY SPIRIT
  • 00:34:12.100 --> 00:34:13.270
  • SPEAK TO ME AND SAY,
  • 00:34:13.270 --> 00:34:15.050
  • "DAVE'S NOT THE PROBLEM."
  • 00:34:15.050 --> 00:34:17.210
  • AND I HONESTLY THOUGHT,
  • 00:34:17.210 --> 00:34:18.120
  • "WELL, WHO IS?"
  • 00:34:18.120 --> 00:34:20.140
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:34:20.140 --> 00:34:22.040
  • I MEAN--
  • 00:34:22.040 --> 00:34:22.230
  • - LAURIE: "SHOW ME, LORD."
  • 00:34:22.230 --> 00:34:24.010
  • - JOYCE: -- I COULDN'T EVEN
  • 00:34:24.010 --> 00:34:24.220
  • CONCEIVE THAT IT WAS ME.
  • 00:34:24.220 --> 00:34:26.100
  • I HAD LIVED IN DENIAL.
  • 00:34:26.100 --> 00:34:28.080
  • I HAD LIVED IN DENIAL FOR SO
  • 00:34:28.170 --> 00:34:31.170
  • LONG THAT I THOUGHT, "WELL, IF
  • 00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:33.090
  • IT'S NOT DAVE, WHO IS IT?"
  • 00:34:33.090 --> 00:34:34.270
  • AND GOD SPENT THE NEXT THREE
  • 00:34:34.270 --> 00:34:36.090
  • DAYS REVEALING TO ME WHAT IT WAS
  • 00:34:36.130 --> 00:34:39.130
  • LIKE TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE WITH
  • 00:34:39.130 --> 00:34:40.080
  • ME.
  • 00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:41.070
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:34:41.070 --> 00:34:43.000
  • - JOYCE: AND I CRIED FOR THREE
  • 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:43.220
  • DAYS BECAUSE I-- I MEAN, IT'S
  • 00:34:43.220 --> 00:34:45.100
  • HARD.
  • 00:34:45.100 --> 00:34:48.090
  • IT'S HARD WHEN YOU START HAVING
  • 00:34:48.090 --> 00:34:50.150
  • TO FACE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M
  • 00:34:50.150 --> 00:34:51.230
  • SELFISH, AND I'M JEALOUS, AND
  • 00:34:51.230 --> 00:34:53.080
  • I'M SELF-CENTERED, AND I'M MAD
  • 00:34:53.080 --> 00:34:54.190
  • IF I DON'T GET MY WAY ALL THE
  • 00:34:54.190 --> 00:34:56.170
  • TIME, BUT EACH ONE OF THOSE
  • 00:34:56.170 --> 00:34:58.170
  • TRUTHS THAT YOU FACE THEN GIVES
  • 00:34:58.170 --> 00:35:01.180
  • YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE FREEDOM.
  • 00:35:01.180 --> 00:35:04.180
  • YOU CANNOT BE HEALED FROM A
  • 00:35:04.180 --> 00:35:05.190
  • PROBLEM UNTIL YOU FIRST OWN THE
  • 00:35:05.190 --> 00:35:07.230
  • PROBLEM, AND SO HOW LONG IS THAT
  • 00:35:08.070 --> 00:35:11.070
  • GONNA TAKE PEOPLE?
  • 00:35:11.070 --> 00:35:12.090
  • I DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:35:12.090 --> 00:35:12.280
  • - MATT: SO THE FIRST THING IS
  • 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:13.290
  • DON'T DO IT ALONE.
  • 00:35:13.290 --> 00:35:14.230
  • DO IT WITH JESUS.
  • 00:35:14.230 --> 00:35:15.210
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:35:15.210 --> 00:35:16.060
  • - MATT: SECOND THING IS ADMIT
  • 00:35:16.060 --> 00:35:17.230
  • THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
  • 00:35:17.230 --> 00:35:19.140
  • WHAT'S THE THIRD THING?
  • 00:35:19.140 --> 00:35:21.200
  • I WANNA GET THIS OUT BECAUSE,
  • 00:35:21.200 --> 00:35:22.110
  • YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL--
  • 00:35:22.110 --> 00:35:23.090
  • - LAURIE: I THINK YOU HAVE A
  • 00:35:23.090 --> 00:35:24.000
  • PROBLEM.
  • 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.080
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:35:25.080 --> 00:35:25.200
  • OKAY, THEN THERE'S DAVE.
  • 00:35:25.200 --> 00:35:26.130
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:35:26.130 --> 00:35:27.070
  • - MATT: THEN THERE'S NUMBER
  • 00:35:27.070 --> 00:35:27.280
  • THREE.
  • 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:28.070
  • SO WHAT'S NUMBER THREE?
  • 00:35:28.070 --> 00:35:28.250
  • WHAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT
  • 00:35:28.250 --> 00:35:29.180
  • PROGRESSION?
  • 00:35:29.180 --> 00:35:30.120
  • - JOYCE: WELL, THERE'S ONE
  • 00:35:30.120 --> 00:35:31.120
  • CHAPTER IN HERE ABOUT FINDING
  • 00:35:31.120 --> 00:35:33.040
  • YOUR PATH, AND THE THING IS THE
  • 00:35:33.040 --> 00:35:35.230
  • HOLY SPIRIT WILL TAKE OVER YOUR
  • 00:35:35.230 --> 00:35:38.080
  • HEALING IF YOU ASK HIM "I NEED
  • 00:35:38.130 --> 00:35:41.130
  • YOU TO HEAL ME."
  • 00:35:41.130 --> 00:35:44.060
  • THE GREAT THING ABOUT PUTTIN'
  • 00:35:44.060 --> 00:35:46.110
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT ON YOUR CASE
  • 00:35:46.110 --> 00:35:47.200
  • IS HE ALREADY KNOWS MORE ABOUT
  • 00:35:47.200 --> 00:35:49.080
  • YOU THAN YOU'LL EVER FIND OUT,
  • 00:35:49.080 --> 00:35:50.230
  • AND HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IT
  • 00:35:50.230 --> 00:35:53.000
  • TAKES FOR EACH PERSON AND
  • 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.260
  • EXACTLY WHEN THE RIGHT TIME IS.
  • 00:35:55.290 --> 00:35:58.290
  • YOU KNOW, LIKE, I MIGHT CONFRONT
  • 00:35:59.090 --> 00:36:02.110
  • SOMEBODY ABOUT SOMETHIN' TOO
  • 00:36:02.110 --> 00:36:05.100
  • SOON.
  • 00:36:05.100 --> 00:36:06.230
  • I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
  • 00:36:06.230 --> 00:36:07.120
  • I WAS COUNSELING A WOMAN ONE
  • 00:36:07.120 --> 00:36:08.250
  • TIME, AND SHE HAD JUST RECEIVED
  • 00:36:08.250 --> 00:36:11.090
  • JESUS, BUT SHE WAS LIVING WITH
  • 00:36:11.130 --> 00:36:14.130
  • HER BOYFRIEND AND HAD BEEN FOR A
  • 00:36:14.130 --> 00:36:15.060
  • LONG TIME.
  • 00:36:15.060 --> 00:36:17.100
  • WELL, SHE WAS IN MY OFFICE
  • 00:36:17.100 --> 00:36:18.140
  • FOR COUNSELING, AND I WAS
  • 00:36:18.140 --> 00:36:20.010
  • ALREADY PLANNING WHAT I WAS
  • 00:36:20.010 --> 00:36:21.060
  • GONNA SAY TO HER WHILE SHE WAS
  • 00:36:21.060 --> 00:36:21.280
  • TALKIN', AND I THOUGHT, "WELL,
  • 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:22.210
  • I'M GONNA TELL HER THAT SHE'S
  • 00:36:22.210 --> 00:36:23.190
  • GOTTA-- YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOTTA
  • 00:36:23.190 --> 00:36:25.030
  • PUT AN END TO THIS RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:36:25.030 --> 00:36:26.070
  • SHE CAN'T BE LIVIN' IN THAT KIND
  • 00:36:26.070 --> 00:36:27.080
  • OF SIN AND EXPECT GOD TO HELP
  • 00:36:27.080 --> 00:36:28.250
  • HER.
  • 00:36:28.250 --> 00:36:29.290
  • AND THE HOLY SPIRIT CLEARLY SAID
  • 00:36:29.290 --> 00:36:31.010
  • TO ME, "YOU'RE NOT GONNA TELL
  • 00:36:31.010 --> 00:36:32.070
  • HER THAT."
  • 00:36:32.070 --> 00:36:32.210
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:36:32.210 --> 00:36:33.280
  • - JOYCE: "SHE'S NOT READY FOR
  • 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:34.190
  • THAT.
  • 00:36:34.190 --> 00:36:36.140
  • WHEN THE TIME'S RIGHT, I'LL TELL
  • 00:36:36.140 --> 00:36:37.070
  • HER THAT."
  • 00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:38.240
  • AND, SEE, I THINK EVEN IN
  • 00:36:38.240 --> 00:36:39.130
  • DEALING WITH PEOPLE, WE WANT
  • 00:36:39.130 --> 00:36:42.020
  • SOMEBODY TO GET SAVED LAST
  • 00:36:42.020 --> 00:36:42.280
  • NIGHT, AND WE WANNA SIT 'EM DOWN
  • 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.280
  • TODAY AND TELL 'EM ALL THE
  • 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.160
  • THINGS NOW THEY HAVE TO CHANGE,
  • 00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:48.190
  • BUT MAYBE THEY NEED TO BE LOVED
  • 00:36:49.060 --> 00:36:52.060
  • ON BY GOD FOR SIX MONTHS BEFORE
  • 00:36:52.060 --> 00:36:54.140
  • THEY CAN DO ANY OF THAT, SO THE
  • 00:36:54.180 --> 00:36:57.180
  • HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS EXACTLY WHEN
  • 00:36:57.180 --> 00:36:59.260
  • AND EXACTLY HOW.
  • 00:37:00.090 --> 00:37:03.090
  • AND SO I WAS MARRIED TO DAVE FOR
  • 00:37:03.090 --> 00:37:04.220
  • SEVERAL YEARS, PROBABLY FIVE OR
  • 00:37:04.220 --> 00:37:06.050
  • SIX YEARS, AND WE WENT TO A
  • 00:37:06.050 --> 00:37:08.070
  • CHURCH SERVICE WHERE THERE WAS A
  • 00:37:08.070 --> 00:37:09.290
  • WOMAN GIVING HER TESTIMONY THAT
  • 00:37:09.290 --> 00:37:11.110
  • NIGHT THAT HAD BEEN SEXUALLY
  • 00:37:11.110 --> 00:37:14.110
  • ABUSED BY HER FATHER LIKE I HAD,
  • 00:37:14.110 --> 00:37:16.010
  • AND SHE HAD WRITTEN A BOOK, AND,
  • 00:37:16.010 --> 00:37:17.220
  • YOU KNOW, I WASN'T GONNA BUY THE
  • 00:37:18.070 --> 00:37:21.070
  • BOOK.
  • 00:37:21.070 --> 00:37:23.290
  • I MEAN, THAT WASN'T MY PROBLEM
  • 00:37:23.290 --> 00:37:26.180
  • BECAUSE I THOUGHT, WHEN I GOT
  • 00:37:26.180 --> 00:37:28.050
  • AWAY FROM MY FATHER, THAT I GOT
  • 00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:30.200
  • AWAY FROM MY PROBLEM, BUT, SEE,
  • 00:37:30.200 --> 00:37:31.260
  • I DIDN'T REALIZE I TOOK IT WITH
  • 00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:33.290
  • ME IN MY SOUL, AND THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:37:33.290 --> 00:37:36.080
  • SO MANY PEOPLE THINK.
  • 00:37:36.080 --> 00:37:37.270
  • THEY THINK, YOU KNOW, "I'M OUT
  • 00:37:37.270 --> 00:37:39.130
  • OF HERE."
  • 00:37:39.130 --> 00:37:41.240
  • I MEAN, I HAD MY PLAN:
  • 00:37:41.240 --> 00:37:43.230
  • "I'M OUT OF HERE.
  • 00:37:43.230 --> 00:37:44.140
  • NOBODY'S EVER GONNA TELL ME WHAT
  • 00:37:44.140 --> 00:37:45.190
  • TO DO AGAIN.
  • 00:37:45.190 --> 00:37:47.010
  • I'LL NEVER TRUST ANYBODY AGAIN.
  • 00:37:47.010 --> 00:37:48.100
  • NOBODY'S EVER GONNA HURT ME
  • 00:37:48.100 --> 00:37:49.190
  • AGAIN."
  • 00:37:49.190 --> 00:37:50.080
  • AND SO I HAD ALL THESE INNER
  • 00:37:50.080 --> 00:37:51.250
  • VOWS, ALL THESE PROMISES
  • 00:37:51.250 --> 00:37:53.150
  • THAT I HAD MADE TO MYSELF TO
  • 00:37:53.150 --> 00:37:55.070
  • TAKE CARE OF MYSELF, AND I
  • 00:37:55.070 --> 00:37:56.140
  • WOULDN'T REALLY LET ANYBODY EVEN
  • 00:37:56.140 --> 00:37:58.120
  • IN.
  • 00:37:58.120 --> 00:38:00.050
  • I WOULDN'T LET ANYBODY GET CLOSE
  • 00:38:00.050 --> 00:38:01.060
  • ENOUGH TO EVEN TAKE A CHANCE ON
  • 00:38:01.060 --> 00:38:03.260
  • HURTING ME, AND SO I DIDN'T
  • 00:38:06.110 --> 00:38:09.110
  • REALLY REALIZE HOW MANY PROBLEMS
  • 00:38:09.110 --> 00:38:11.180
  • I HAD.
  • 00:38:11.180 --> 00:38:13.130
  • WELL, DAVE BOUGHT ME THE BOOK,
  • 00:38:13.130 --> 00:38:15.220
  • AND HE GAVE IT TO ME, AND I-- SO
  • 00:38:15.220 --> 00:38:17.290
  • THE NEXT-- I MEAN, I REMEMBER I
  • 00:38:17.290 --> 00:38:20.000
  • WAS SITTING, AND I OPENED UP THE
  • 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.090
  • BOOK, AND CHAPTER ONE, PAGE ONE,
  • 00:38:22.190 --> 00:38:25.190
  • THIS GIRL'S DESCRIBING THE ABUSE
  • 00:38:25.190 --> 00:38:28.040
  • IN DETAIL AND SOME OF THE THINGS
  • 00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:30.110
  • HER FATHER DID TO HER.
  • 00:38:30.110 --> 00:38:31.220
  • I MEAN, THE PAIN THAT CAME
  • 00:38:31.220 --> 00:38:34.000
  • ROARING UP OUT OF MY SOUL, I
  • 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:35.130
  • TOOK THAT BOOK AND I THREW IT
  • 00:38:35.130 --> 00:38:38.040
  • ACROSS THE ROOM, AND I SAID OUT
  • 00:38:38.040 --> 00:38:39.290
  • LOUD, HOME BY MYSELF, "I WILL
  • 00:38:39.290 --> 00:38:40.290
  • NOT READ THIS," AND THE HOLY
  • 00:38:40.290 --> 00:38:43.030
  • SPIRIT, SO SWEETLY, SAID, "IT'S
  • 00:38:43.030 --> 00:38:44.140
  • TIME."
  • 00:38:44.140 --> 00:38:46.180
  • SO HE KNOWS THE RIGHT TIME
  • 00:38:47.250 --> 00:38:50.250
  • AND THE RIGHT WAY, AND SO
  • 00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:54.010
  • WHEN YOU DECIDE YOU DO WANNA GET
  • 00:38:54.010 --> 00:38:55.180
  • WELL, YOU NEED TO FIRST ASK THE
  • 00:38:55.180 --> 00:38:57.240
  • HOLY SPIRIT TO BEGIN TO GUIDE
  • 00:38:57.240 --> 00:38:59.110
  • YOU DOWN THE PATH THAT HE HAS
  • 00:38:59.110 --> 00:39:01.270
  • FOR YOU.
  • 00:39:01.270 --> 00:39:03.100
  • LIKE I SAID, MAYBE FOR SOME
  • 00:39:03.100 --> 00:39:04.180
  • PEOPLE, THAT'S GOIN' AND TALKIN'
  • 00:39:04.180 --> 00:39:06.100
  • TO YOUR PASTOR.
  • 00:39:06.100 --> 00:39:07.060
  • MAYBE FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT'S
  • 00:39:07.060 --> 00:39:08.200
  • JOINING A GROUP AT YOUR CHURCH
  • 00:39:09.180 --> 00:39:12.180
  • THAT DEALS WITH THESE KINDS OF
  • 00:39:12.180 --> 00:39:14.040
  • ISSUES.
  • 00:39:14.040 --> 00:39:15.020
  • MAYBE IT'S GOING FOR SOME
  • 00:39:15.020 --> 00:39:16.120
  • PROFESSIONAL COUNSELING.
  • 00:39:16.120 --> 00:39:18.040
  • FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T HAVE
  • 00:39:18.040 --> 00:39:20.060
  • THE MONEY FOR PROFESSIONAL
  • 00:39:20.060 --> 00:39:21.130
  • COUNSELING, BUT, I MEAN,
  • 00:39:21.130 --> 00:39:23.140
  • I RECEIVED MY HEALING FROM
  • 00:39:23.140 --> 00:39:24.230
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:39:24.230 --> 00:39:27.050
  • THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I'M
  • 00:39:27.050 --> 00:39:28.050
  • AGAINST PSYCHOLOGY.
  • 00:39:28.050 --> 00:39:29.140
  • I THINK IT CAN BE VERY GOOD, BUT
  • 00:39:29.140 --> 00:39:31.030
  • THAT'S NOT THE ONLY WAY.
  • 00:39:31.090 --> 00:39:34.090
  • YOU DON'T HAVE TO ALWAYS HAVE
  • 00:39:34.090 --> 00:39:35.140
  • THAT TO GET IT BECAUSE WHAT IS
  • 00:39:35.140 --> 00:39:37.210
  • ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THE
  • 00:39:37.210 --> 00:39:38.210
  • HOLY SPIRIT?
  • 00:39:38.210 --> 00:39:39.110
  • HE IS THE COUNSELOR.
  • 00:39:39.110 --> 00:39:41.210
  • SO HE CAN SHOW US WHAT TO DO,
  • 00:39:41.210 --> 00:39:44.190
  • AND I CAN LITERALLY SAY THAT,
  • 00:39:44.190 --> 00:39:45.270
  • WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT TOOK OVER
  • 00:39:48.170 --> 00:39:49.090
  • MY CASE, HE JUST BEGAN TO SHOW
  • 00:39:49.090 --> 00:39:50.220
  • ME, STEP-BY-STEP.
  • 00:39:51.100 --> 00:39:54.100
  • YOU KNOW, AND THE MIND WAS A BIG
  • 00:39:55.020 --> 00:39:58.020
  • THUS I WROTE "BATTLEFIELD OF
  • 00:40:00.070 --> 00:40:00.270
  • THE MIND," WHICH IS STILL
  • 00:40:00.270 --> 00:40:01.250
  • PROBABLY OUR NUMBER ONE BOOK,
  • 00:40:01.250 --> 00:40:02.210
  • AND MY THINKING WAS SO MESSED
  • 00:40:02.210 --> 00:40:05.040
  • UP.
  • 00:40:05.040 --> 00:40:06.270
  • I MEAN, IT WAS JUST-- I LET THE
  • 00:40:07.140 --> 00:40:10.140
  • DEVIL LIE TO ME FOR YEARS AND
  • 00:40:10.140 --> 00:40:12.110
  • DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HE WAS DOING
  • 00:40:12.110 --> 00:40:13.110
  • IT, SO I LEARNED THAT I HAD TO
  • 00:40:13.110 --> 00:40:15.260
  • COMPARE MY THINKING TO WHAT
  • 00:40:15.260 --> 00:40:17.210
  • GOD'S WORD SAID.
  • 00:40:17.210 --> 00:40:18.270
  • YOU KNOW, SO WHEN I HEAD "NOBODY
  • 00:40:18.270 --> 00:40:20.020
  • LOVES YOU AND NOBODY EVER WILL,"
  • 00:40:20.020 --> 00:40:22.120
  • I HAD TO SAY, "NO, THAT'S NOT
  • 00:40:22.170 --> 00:40:25.170
  • TRUE BECAUSE GOD LOVES ME, AND
  • 00:40:25.170 --> 00:40:26.210
  • HE ALWAYS WILL."
  • 00:40:26.210 --> 00:40:28.070
  • AND SO I CAN'T GIVE,
  • 00:40:28.130 --> 00:40:31.130
  • I CAN'T SAY JUST LIKE
  • 00:40:31.130 --> 00:40:32.250
  • "STEP 1 THROUGH 20" FOR
  • 00:40:32.250 --> 00:40:35.060
  • EVERYBODY BECAUSE GOD'S GONNA DO
  • 00:40:35.080 --> 00:40:38.080
  • IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT IN
  • 00:40:38.080 --> 00:40:39.230
  • READING A BOOK LIKE THIS, I
  • 00:40:39.230 --> 00:40:41.210
  • THINK THIS IS LIKE A MANUAL FOR
  • 00:40:41.210 --> 00:40:43.240
  • THE HEALING OF THE SOUL.
  • 00:40:46.190 --> 00:40:49.190
  • ONE CHAPTER IN HERE IS THE
  • 00:40:49.190 --> 00:40:50.220
  • WOUNDS OF SIN.
  • 00:40:50.220 --> 00:40:52.180
  • SEE, SOME PEOPLE ARE WATCHING
  • 00:40:52.180 --> 00:40:54.000
  • TODAY, AND YOU'RE NOT HURTING.
  • 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.270
  • YOU DON'T HAVE A WOUNDED SOUL
  • 00:40:55.270 --> 00:40:57.100
  • BECAUSE SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING
  • 00:40:57.100 --> 00:40:58.070
  • TO YOU.
  • 00:40:58.070 --> 00:40:59.020
  • YOU HAVE A WOUNDED SOUL BECAUSE
  • 00:40:59.020 --> 00:41:01.290
  • OF SOMETHING YOU DID, AND SO
  • 00:41:03.020 --> 00:41:06.020
  • THAT PERSON THEN NEEDS TO
  • 00:41:06.170 --> 00:41:09.170
  • REALIZE THAT THERE'S NO SIN
  • 00:41:09.170 --> 00:41:11.000
  • THEY'VE COMMITTED THAT CANNOT BE
  • 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:11.260
  • FORGIVEN.
  • 00:41:11.260 --> 00:41:14.230
  • THERE'S NOTHING IN THEIR PAST
  • 00:41:14.230 --> 00:41:16.070
  • THAT GOD CANNOT HEAL AND
  • 00:41:16.070 --> 00:41:17.250
  • REDEEM-- AND REDEEM.
  • 00:41:19.130 --> 00:41:22.130
  • THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE
  • 00:41:22.130 --> 00:41:23.200
  • GOD WILL TAKE THE MOST AWFUL
  • 00:41:23.240 --> 00:41:26.240
  • THING WE DID, AND IF WE LET HIM,
  • 00:41:26.240 --> 00:41:28.130
  • ACTUALLY, TURN IT AROUND AND
  • 00:41:28.130 --> 00:41:30.010
  • WORK IT OUT FOR OUR GOOD.
  • 00:41:30.270 --> 00:41:33.270
  • SO ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED
  • 00:41:33.270 --> 00:41:36.030
  • TO ME IN MY CHILDHOOD, I KNOW
  • 00:41:36.030 --> 00:41:37.110
  • THIS SOUNDS DUMB, BUT I CAN'T
  • 00:41:38.040 --> 00:41:41.040
  • EVEN SAY NOW THAT I'M SORRY THAT
  • 00:41:41.040 --> 00:41:42.280
  • THEY HAPPENED.
  • 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.160
  • I USED TO SAY, "WELL, IF ONLY
  • 00:41:45.160 --> 00:41:46.070
  • THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED."
  • 00:41:46.070 --> 00:41:47.110
  • IF IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED, I
  • 00:41:47.110 --> 00:41:49.110
  • WOULDN'T BE THE PERSON THAT I AM
  • 00:41:49.110 --> 00:41:51.110
  • TODAY, AND I WOULDN'T KNOW SOME
  • 00:41:51.270 --> 00:41:54.270
  • OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW.
  • 00:41:54.270 --> 00:41:56.220
  • I WENT THROUGH A VERY DIFFICULT
  • 00:41:56.220 --> 00:41:58.000
  • SITUATION AT A CHURCH THAT I
  • 00:41:58.000 --> 00:41:59.120
  • WORKED AT ONE TIME.
  • 00:41:59.120 --> 00:42:01.280
  • SO MANY PAINFUL EXPERIENCES, BUT
  • 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.210
  • I LEARNED MORE OUT OF THAT ABOUT
  • 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.000
  • LEADERSHIP THAN I COULD EVEN
  • 00:42:12.120 --> 00:42:15.120
  • BEGIN TO TELL YOU BECAUSE I
  • 00:42:15.120 --> 00:42:16.160
  • DIDN'T LEARN WHAT TO DO, BUT I
  • 00:42:16.160 --> 00:42:17.270
  • SURE LEARNED WHAT NOT TO DO.
  • 00:42:17.270 --> 00:42:19.160
  • - MATT: THERE YOU GO.
  • 00:42:19.160 --> 00:42:20.060
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:42:20.060 --> 00:42:21.230
  • YOU SAID, "I THOUGHT THAT, WHEN
  • 00:42:21.230 --> 00:42:24.070
  • I GOT AWAY FROM MY PARENTS--"
  • 00:42:24.070 --> 00:42:26.070
  • AND YOUR-- SPECIFICALLY YOUR
  • 00:42:26.070 --> 00:42:28.030
  • FATHER-- "THAT I DIDN'T NOW HAVE
  • 00:42:28.030 --> 00:42:30.110
  • ANY PROBLEM," BUT YOU HAD
  • 00:42:30.110 --> 00:42:31.250
  • CARRIED IT IN YOUR SOUL.
  • 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.280
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.030
  • - MATT: SO YOU DIDN'T EVEN
  • 00:42:37.030 --> 00:42:38.230
  • REALIZE THAT, SO THIS BOOK AND
  • 00:42:38.230 --> 00:42:40.190
  • THE HEALING OF YOUR SOUL IS
  • 00:42:40.190 --> 00:42:42.130
  • SUPER IMPORTANT BECAUSE MOST--
  • 00:42:42.130 --> 00:42:43.290
  • LET ME JUST SAY, IF YOU HAD
  • 00:42:43.290 --> 00:42:45.260
  • WRITTEN THE ONE, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:42:45.260 --> 00:42:47.150
  • "HEALING THE SOUL OF A MAN," YOU
  • 00:42:47.150 --> 00:42:49.000
  • KNOW WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE THE
  • 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:50.250
  • FIRST THING IS, LOGISTICALLY, IF
  • 00:42:50.250 --> 00:42:52.140
  • YOU'RE AWAY FROM THE PROBLEM,
  • 00:42:52.140 --> 00:42:54.100
  • IT'S OVER.
  • 00:42:54.100 --> 00:42:55.120
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:42:55.120 --> 00:42:56.270
  • - MATT: BUT, I MEAN, BECAUSE
  • 00:42:56.270 --> 00:42:58.150
  • THAT'S JUST THE WAY-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:42:58.150 --> 00:43:00.030
  • I MEAN, WE FIX IT, RIGHT?
  • 00:43:00.030 --> 00:43:00.220
  • YOU GET ON THE-- YOU MOVE ACROSS
  • 00:43:00.220 --> 00:43:01.150
  • COUNTRY IF IT WAS A BAD
  • 00:43:01.150 --> 00:43:02.220
  • RELATIONSHIP OR-- SEE, IN MY
  • 00:43:02.220 --> 00:43:04.090
  • MIND, THAT WOULD'VE FIXED IT
  • 00:43:04.090 --> 00:43:06.110
  • TOTALLY TOO, ALSO.
  • 00:43:06.110 --> 00:43:07.210
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:43:07.210 --> 00:43:09.020
  • - MATT: I MEAN, MAYBE WE THINK
  • 00:43:09.020 --> 00:43:10.090
  • SIMILARLY, BUT, ULTIMATELY, THAT
  • 00:43:10.090 --> 00:43:11.260
  • IS-- THAT'S WHY THIS BOOK EXISTS
  • 00:43:12.220 --> 00:43:15.220
  • BECAUSE YOU DRUG EVERYTHING IN
  • 00:43:15.220 --> 00:43:18.020
  • YOUR SOUL AND DIDN'T REALIZE IT.
  • 00:43:18.020 --> 00:43:19.230
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:43:19.230 --> 00:43:20.080
  • - MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:43:20.080 --> 00:43:20.210
  • GEOGRAPHICALLY, YOU DON'T GET
  • 00:43:20.210 --> 00:43:21.120
  • AWAY FROM THE THING.
  • 00:43:21.120 --> 00:43:22.100
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS TO FIX IT.
  • 00:43:22.100 --> 00:43:23.170
  • - JOYCE: YOU JUST TAKE IT WITH
  • 00:43:23.170 --> 00:43:24.090
  • YOU.
  • 00:43:24.090 --> 00:43:25.010
  • - MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:43:25.010 --> 00:43:25.150
  • - JOYCE: YOU TAKE IT WITH YOU.
  • 00:43:25.150 --> 00:43:26.240
  • - MATT: YOU CARRY IT WITH YOU
  • 00:43:26.240 --> 00:43:27.150
  • IN YOUR SOUL.
  • 00:43:27.150 --> 00:43:27.280
  • - JOYCE: BY THE WAY, I'VE TOLD
  • 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:28.200
  • MEN, "ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT
  • 00:43:28.200 --> 00:43:29.190
  • A PIECE OF TAPE OVER THE W-O,
  • 00:43:29.190 --> 00:43:30.260
  • AND I ADMIT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:43:30.260 --> 00:43:33.120
  • OF A GIRLY COVER FOR A GUY, BUT
  • 00:43:33.120 --> 00:43:35.240
  • IF YOU CAN HANDLE A BOOK WITH A
  • 00:43:35.240 --> 00:43:37.200
  • ROSE ON IT, I MEAN, THE SAME
  • 00:43:37.200 --> 00:43:39.010
  • THING WORKS FOR MEN.
  • 00:43:39.010 --> 00:43:41.140
  • - LAURIE: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:43:41.140 --> 00:43:42.010
  • - MATT: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:43:42.010 --> 00:43:45.010
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, THERE ARE
  • 00:43:45.010 --> 00:43:45.250
  • MORE WOMEN THAT ARE WOUNDED IN
  • 00:43:45.250 --> 00:43:46.170
  • THEIR SOUL THAN MEN BECAUSE--
  • 00:43:46.170 --> 00:43:47.160
  • - MATT: ABOUT LIKE THAT?
  • 00:43:47.160 --> 00:43:49.110
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:43:49.110 --> 00:43:50.020
  • SEE, "HEALING THE SOUL OF A
  • 00:43:50.020 --> 00:43:50.220
  • MAN."
  • 00:43:50.220 --> 00:43:51.070
  • - MATT: THERE YOU GO, GOT IT.
  • 00:43:51.070 --> 00:43:52.060
  • - JOYCE: AND, YOU KNOW, IF
  • 00:43:52.060 --> 00:43:52.290
  • YOU'RE REAL SECURE, YOU COULD
  • 00:43:52.290 --> 00:43:53.200
  • HAVE A BOOK WITH A PINK ROSE ON
  • 00:43:53.200 --> 00:43:54.200
  • IT, AND IT WOULDN'T BOTHER YOU.
  • 00:43:54.200 --> 00:43:56.030
  • - MATT: OR YOU COULD TAKE IT
  • 00:43:56.030 --> 00:43:56.270
  • OFF AND HAVE A PURPLE BOOK.
  • 00:43:56.270 --> 00:43:57.240
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, RIGHT, THAT'S
  • 00:43:57.240 --> 00:43:58.150
  • TRUE.
  • 00:43:58.150 --> 00:43:58.250
  • - LAURIE: I LOVE THE CHAPTER
  • 00:43:58.250 --> 00:44:01.090
  • ABOUT BEING YOUR OWN BEST ALLY
  • 00:44:01.090 --> 00:44:02.240
  • 'CAUSE SO MANY OF US--
  • 00:44:02.240 --> 00:44:04.210
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY
  • 00:44:04.210 --> 00:44:05.170
  • WHAT I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT.
  • 00:44:05.170 --> 00:44:06.120
  • - LAURIE: OKAY, LET'S DO THAT
  • 00:44:06.120 --> 00:44:07.030
  • ONE.
  • 00:44:07.030 --> 00:44:08.060
  • I LOVE THAT.
  • 00:44:08.060 --> 00:44:09.000
  • - JOYCE: YOU GOTTA BE YOUR OWN
  • 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:09.220
  • FRIEND.
  • 00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:10.020
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:44:10.020 --> 00:44:10.160
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, BE A FRIEND
  • 00:44:10.160 --> 00:44:11.160
  • TO YOURSELF, AND DO THINGS FOR
  • 00:44:11.160 --> 00:44:13.050
  • YOURSELF.
  • 00:44:13.050 --> 00:44:14.160
  • YOU KNOW, I LOVE THAT DAVID SAID
  • 00:44:14.160 --> 00:44:16.040
  • HE ENCOURAGED HIMSELF IN THE
  • 00:44:16.040 --> 00:44:17.150
  • LORD.
  • 00:44:17.150 --> 00:44:18.200
  • YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS WAITIN'
  • 00:44:18.200 --> 00:44:20.080
  • FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO TELL US
  • 00:44:20.080 --> 00:44:21.030
  • WE'RE OKAY.
  • 00:44:21.030 --> 00:44:21.250
  • WELL, YOU CAN GET THAT FROM GOD
  • 00:44:21.250 --> 00:44:24.140
  • IF YOU WILL LEARN TO BELIEVE--
  • 00:44:24.140 --> 00:44:26.140
  • IF YOU'LL JUST LEARN TO BELIEVE
  • 00:44:26.140 --> 00:44:28.100
  • WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT YOU, YOU
  • 00:44:28.100 --> 00:44:30.150
  • KNOW, LIKE, "I LIKE MYSELF," AND
  • 00:44:30.190 --> 00:44:33.190
  • I KNOW THAT, UNDER NORMAL
  • 00:44:33.190 --> 00:44:35.000
  • CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT WOULD SOUND
  • 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:36.110
  • REALLY HAUGHTY AND LIKE I WAS
  • 00:44:36.110 --> 00:44:38.040
  • JUST FULL OF MYSELF, BUT JESUS
  • 00:44:38.040 --> 00:44:39.270
  • DIED FOR US, AND, REALLY, I
  • 00:44:39.270 --> 00:44:42.210
  • THINK IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SLAP IN
  • 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.000
  • HIS FACE TO HATE YOURSELF OR BE
  • 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.110
  • AGAINST YOURSELF.
  • 00:44:48.110 --> 00:44:51.100
  • I MEAN, THE BIBLE SAYS YOU DON'T
  • 00:44:51.100 --> 00:44:52.150
  • BELONG TO YOURSELF.
  • 00:44:52.150 --> 00:44:54.110
  • YOU WERE BOUGHT WITH A PRICE,
  • 00:44:54.110 --> 00:44:55.260
  • AND THE PRICE THAT WE WERE
  • 00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:57.150
  • PURCHASED WITH WAS THE BLOOD OF
  • 00:44:57.150 --> 00:44:58.240
  • JESUS AND ALL THE PAIN AND
  • 00:44:58.240 --> 00:45:00.060
  • SUFFERING THAT HE WENT THROUGH,
  • 00:45:00.060 --> 00:45:01.110
  • AND I LIKE TO BE-- I LIKE TO
  • 00:45:01.110 --> 00:45:03.160
  • SPEND TIME ALONE.
  • 00:45:03.160 --> 00:45:04.280
  • I LIKE TO SPEND TIME WITH
  • 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.250
  • MYSELF; AND A LOT OF PEOPLE,
  • 00:45:06.250 --> 00:45:09.070
  • THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE NOISE GOIN'
  • 00:45:09.070 --> 00:45:10.180
  • ON AROUND THEM ALL THE TIME, OR
  • 00:45:10.180 --> 00:45:11.190
  • THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE A TV ON.
  • 00:45:11.190 --> 00:45:13.230
  • THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE A BUNCH OF
  • 00:45:13.230 --> 00:45:15.010
  • PEOPLE AROUND THEM ALL THE TIME,
  • 00:45:15.010 --> 00:45:15.280
  • AND SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST, YOU
  • 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.080
  • KNOW, SOCIAL BUTTERFLIES.
  • 00:45:18.080 --> 00:45:20.040
  • THAT'S PART OF THEIR
  • 00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:20.270
  • PERSONALITY, BUT A LOT OF TIMES,
  • 00:45:20.270 --> 00:45:22.220
  • PEOPLE STAY TOO BUSY TO HAVE TO
  • 00:45:22.220 --> 00:45:25.000
  • DEAL WITH THEMSELVES.
  • 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:25.210
  • - MATT: WOW.
  • 00:45:25.210 --> 00:45:26.100
  • - JOYCE: THEY JUST GO FROM
  • 00:45:26.100 --> 00:45:27.210
  • THING TO THING TO THING SO THEY
  • 00:45:27.210 --> 00:45:28.260
  • DON'T HAVE TO REALLY FACE
  • 00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:30.180
  • THEMSELVES, BUT YOU NEED TO
  • 00:45:30.180 --> 00:45:32.080
  • BECOME A FRIEND TO YOURSELF AND
  • 00:45:32.080 --> 00:45:34.150
  • DON'T ALWAYS BE WAITING FOR
  • 00:45:34.150 --> 00:45:36.130
  • SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO SOMETHING
  • 00:45:36.130 --> 00:45:37.090
  • FOR YOU.
  • 00:45:37.090 --> 00:45:38.210
  • IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S
  • 00:45:38.210 --> 00:45:40.010
  • DOING SOMETHING FOR YOU, THEN GO
  • 00:45:40.010 --> 00:45:41.130
  • DO SOMETHIN' FOR YOURSELF, YOU
  • 00:45:41.130 --> 00:45:42.100
  • KNOW?
  • 00:45:42.100 --> 00:45:44.070
  • DO SOMETHING THAT-- I JUST THINK
  • 00:45:44.070 --> 00:45:46.280
  • THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE, YOU
  • 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.190
  • KNOW, MOST PEOPLE REALLY DON'T
  • 00:45:49.190 --> 00:45:51.010
  • LIKE THEMSELVES, I MEAN, IF YOU
  • 00:45:51.010 --> 00:45:53.030
  • GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT, AND I
  • 00:45:53.030 --> 00:45:54.090
  • FOUND OUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE
  • 00:45:54.090 --> 00:45:56.080
  • THINGS THE HOLY SPIRIT SHOWED ME
  • 00:45:56.080 --> 00:45:57.200
  • IS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T-- I
  • 00:45:57.200 --> 00:45:59.060
  • COULDN'T-- I WAS A VERY
  • 00:45:59.160 --> 00:46:02.180
  • UNMERCIFUL PERSON, VERY
  • 00:46:02.180 --> 00:46:04.230
  • LEGALISTIC, AND, I MEAN, I
  • 00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:06.200
  • WOULD'VE MADE A GREAT PHARISEE.
  • 00:46:06.200 --> 00:46:08.060
  • I MEAN, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:46:08.060 --> 00:46:09.180
  • YOU HAD TO DO IT MY WAY, MY
  • 00:46:09.180 --> 00:46:11.070
  • TIME, AND I WASN'T GIVING IN,
  • 00:46:11.070 --> 00:46:13.170
  • AND WHEN I STARTED REALLY
  • 00:46:13.170 --> 00:46:15.160
  • PRAYING ABOUT "GOD, I WANNA BE
  • 00:46:15.160 --> 00:46:16.210
  • MERCIFUL TO PEOPLE, BUT I JUST
  • 00:46:16.210 --> 00:46:18.180
  • DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO," AND
  • 00:46:18.180 --> 00:46:19.260
  • WHAT HE SHOWED ME IS "WELL, YOU
  • 00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:21.120
  • DON'T KNOW HOW TO RECEIVE MERCY,
  • 00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:25.010
  • AND YOU CAN'T GIVE AWAY WHAT YOU
  • 00:46:25.010 --> 00:46:25.240
  • DON'T HAVE."
  • 00:46:25.240 --> 00:46:27.180
  • THAT'S BEEN LIKE A BIG THING
  • 00:46:27.180 --> 00:46:28.170
  • FOR ME WITH GOD IS YOU CANNOT
  • 00:46:28.170 --> 00:46:29.240
  • GIVE AWAY WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE.
  • 00:46:29.240 --> 00:46:31.010
  • AND HE WILL EQUIP US TO DO
  • 00:46:31.010 --> 00:46:33.230
  • EVERYTHING HE WANTS US TO DO,
  • 00:46:33.230 --> 00:46:36.210
  • BUT WE GET IT FROM HIM.
  • 00:46:38.020 --> 00:46:41.020
  • IT'S LIKE, IF WE RECEIVE IT FROM
  • 00:46:41.020 --> 00:46:41.250
  • HIM, THEN WE'VE GOT IT, AND WE
  • 00:46:41.250 --> 00:46:44.050
  • CAN THEN RELEASE IT, AND HE GETS
  • 00:46:44.160 --> 00:46:47.160
  • THE CREDIT; WE DON'T.
  • 00:46:47.160 --> 00:46:49.210
  • - MATT: OUR TIME TOGETHER WITH
  • 00:46:49.210 --> 00:46:50.220
  • JOYCE MEYER, "HEALING THE SOUL
  • 00:46:50.220 --> 00:46:52.230
  • OF A WOMAN," AND IF YOU DO THIS
  • 00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:55.260
  • RIGHT HERE, IT'S "HEALING THE
  • 00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:58.050
  • SOUL OF A MAN"--
  • 00:46:58.050 --> 00:46:58.240
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:46:58.240 --> 00:47:00.170
  • IS KIND OF WINDING DOWN.
  • 00:47:00.170 --> 00:47:01.220
  • WE'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES
  • 00:47:01.220 --> 00:47:03.130
  • LEFT IN THIS BROADCAST, AND WHAT
  • 00:47:03.130 --> 00:47:05.020
  • I WOULD LOVE TO DO, JOYCE, IF
  • 00:47:05.020 --> 00:47:08.000
  • YOU WOULD, JUST TWO THINGS: HOW
  • 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:09.190
  • DO WE, KIND OF, PUT A NICE
  • 00:47:10.240 --> 00:47:13.240
  • LITTLE CONCLUSION ON THIS AND
  • 00:47:13.240 --> 00:47:15.080
  • PRAY FOR THE AUDIENCE THAT THEY
  • 00:47:15.080 --> 00:47:17.170
  • WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT'S
  • 00:47:17.170 --> 00:47:20.120
  • RIGHT FOR THEM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE
  • 00:47:20.120 --> 00:47:21.190
  • OF THAT TIMING THING?
  • 00:47:21.190 --> 00:47:23.080
  • I MEAN, YOU'VE REALLY DRILLED
  • 00:47:23.160 --> 00:47:26.160
  • THAT DOWN THAT THERE IS A RHYTHM
  • 00:47:26.160 --> 00:47:28.290
  • TO WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND
  • 00:47:28.290 --> 00:47:30.110
  • THAT ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL,
  • 00:47:30.110 --> 00:47:32.210
  • AND SO JUST, KIND OF, PUT A
  • 00:47:32.210 --> 00:47:35.090
  • LITTLE BIT OF A WRAP-UP ON THIS,
  • 00:47:35.090 --> 00:47:37.150
  • SO A BIT OF A PRAYER, AND THEN,
  • 00:47:37.150 --> 00:47:40.110
  • KIND OF, GET YOUR FINAL
  • 00:47:40.110 --> 00:47:42.000
  • - JOYCE: YOU HAVE TO REALIZE
  • 00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:45.010
  • THAT WHATEVER PATH GOD TAKES YOU
  • 00:47:45.140 --> 00:47:48.140
  • DOWN-- AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT
  • 00:47:48.140 --> 00:47:50.070
  • THAT'S GONNA BE.
  • 00:47:50.070 --> 00:47:51.280
  • I CAN TELL YOU THAT HE'S
  • 00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:52.230
  • FAITHFUL, AND HE WILL NOT LET
  • 00:47:52.230 --> 00:47:53.220
  • IF YOU ASK GOD TO HELP YOU IN
  • 00:47:57.090 --> 00:47:58.150
  • THIS AND YOU'RE WILLING TO DO
  • 00:47:58.150 --> 00:48:01.010
  • WHAT HE SHOWS YOU TO DO, THEN
  • 00:48:01.010 --> 00:48:03.270
  • YOU WILL MAKE PROGRESS A LITTLE
  • 00:48:03.270 --> 00:48:04.260
  • BIT AT A TIME.
  • 00:48:05.160 --> 00:48:08.160
  • WHY "A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME"?
  • 00:48:08.160 --> 00:48:09.290
  • I DON'T KNOW, BUT GOD DOESN'T
  • 00:48:09.290 --> 00:48:11.280
  • GET IN A BIG HURRY ABOUT THINGS.
  • 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.070
  • HE TAKES HIS GOOD OLE TIME ABOUT
  • 00:48:13.070 --> 00:48:14.140
  • ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT HE DOES,
  • 00:48:14.140 --> 00:48:16.020
  • BUT WHEN HE DOES SOMETHING, HE
  • 00:48:16.020 --> 00:48:17.200
  • DOES IT RIGHT.
  • 00:48:17.200 --> 00:48:20.120
  • AND SO, GOING INTO THIS, YOU
  • 00:48:20.120 --> 00:48:22.140
  • HAVE TO MAKE YOUR MIND UP:
  • 00:48:22.180 --> 00:48:25.180
  • "THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A QUICK
  • 00:48:25.180 --> 00:48:27.160
  • FIX, OVERNIGHT, DRIVE-THROUGH
  • 00:48:27.160 --> 00:48:29.250
  • HEALING."
  • 00:48:29.250 --> 00:48:32.220
  • AND IF YOUR SOUL IS RIGHT,
  • 00:48:32.220 --> 00:48:34.180
  • IF YOUR MIND-- IF YOU CAN
  • 00:48:34.180 --> 00:48:35.230
  • THINK PROPERLY ACCORDING TO THE
  • 00:48:35.230 --> 00:48:37.010
  • WORD, IF YOU CAN OWN YOUR
  • 00:48:37.010 --> 00:48:39.230
  • EMOTIONS INSTEAD OF LETTING THEM
  • 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.000
  • ON YOU, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE
  • 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:43.230
  • FEELINGS, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS
  • 00:48:43.230 --> 00:48:45.090
  • YOU DON'T HAVE TO ALWAYS ACT ON
  • 00:48:45.090 --> 00:48:46.010
  • EVERY FEELING THAT YOU HAVE, AND
  • 00:48:46.010 --> 00:48:47.140
  • IF YOU CAN MAKE WILLFUL
  • 00:48:47.140 --> 00:48:49.110
  • DECISIONS ACCORDING TO THE WORD
  • 00:48:49.110 --> 00:48:51.250
  • OF GOD, NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING
  • 00:48:51.250 --> 00:48:52.290
  • ON OUTSIDE IN YOUR LIFE, YOU MAY
  • 00:48:52.290 --> 00:48:55.230
  • NEED MONEY, YOU MAY WANNA BE
  • 00:48:55.230 --> 00:48:57.290
  • MARRIED AND YOU'RE NOT MARRIED,
  • 00:48:57.290 --> 00:48:59.240
  • YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE YOU'RE
  • 00:48:59.240 --> 00:49:02.030
  • DEALING WITH THAT ARE DIFFICULT
  • 00:49:02.030 --> 00:49:03.210
  • TO DEAL WITH, YOU MIGHT HAVE A
  • 00:49:03.210 --> 00:49:05.100
  • TOUGH JOB, YOU COULD EVEN BE IN
  • 00:49:05.100 --> 00:49:06.270
  • PRISON, BUT IF YOU'RE RIGHT
  • 00:49:06.270 --> 00:49:08.200
  • INSIDE, THEN YOU CAN BE HAPPY NO
  • 00:49:08.200 --> 00:49:11.130
  • MATTER WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND
  • 00:49:11.130 --> 00:49:13.030
  • YOU BECAUSE YOUR REAL LIFE IS IN
  • 00:49:13.030 --> 00:49:15.110
  • YOU.
  • 00:49:15.110 --> 00:49:17.070
  • IT'S NOT YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES.
  • 00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:20.120
  • YOUR REAL LIFE IS IN YOU.
  • 00:49:20.120 --> 00:49:21.250
  • SO PLEASE, PLEASE GIVE GOD A
  • 00:49:21.250 --> 00:49:23.090
  • CHANCE.
  • 00:49:23.090 --> 00:49:24.200
  • LET'S PRAY.
  • 00:49:24.200 --> 00:49:26.240
  • FATHER, I PRAY IN JESUS' NAME
  • 00:49:26.240 --> 00:49:27.270
  • THAT EVERYBODY WATCHING WHO HAS
  • 00:49:27.270 --> 00:49:30.180
  • A WOUNDED SOUL WILL LET YOU IN,
  • 00:49:30.180 --> 00:49:32.240
  • THAT THEY WON'T HOLD ANY DOORS
  • 00:49:32.240 --> 00:49:35.170
  • CLOSED, NO SECRET PLACES
  • 00:49:35.230 --> 00:49:38.230
  • ANYMORE, THAT THEY WILL LET YOU
  • 00:49:38.230 --> 00:49:40.090
  • IN, AND THAT THOSE WHO HAVE NOT
  • 00:49:40.100 --> 00:49:43.100
  • RECEIVED YOU AS SAVIOR WILL
  • 00:49:43.100 --> 00:49:45.280
  • CALL, I'M SURE, THE NUMBER
  • 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.020
  • THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:49:48.020 --> 00:49:49.090
  • PRAY WITH SOMEBODY OR PRAY
  • 00:49:49.090 --> 00:49:52.080
  • THEMSELVES, REPENT OF THEIR SINS
  • 00:49:52.080 --> 00:49:54.080
  • AND ASK YOU INTO THEIR HEART,
  • 00:49:54.080 --> 00:49:55.250
  • AND I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BEGIN
  • 00:49:55.250 --> 00:49:57.250
  • A HEALING IN THEM THAT WOULD
  • 00:49:58.100 --> 00:50:01.100
  • JUST COMPLETELY REVOLUTIONIZE
  • 00:50:01.100 --> 00:50:03.290
  • THEIR LIFE, AND I PRAY FOR THEM
  • 00:50:03.290 --> 00:50:05.110
  • THAT THEY WON'T GIVE UP UNTIL
  • 00:50:05.110 --> 00:50:07.280
  • IT'S COMPLETELY DONE, IN JESUS'
  • 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:08.240
  • NAME, AMEN.
  • 00:50:08.240 --> 00:50:11.160
  • - MATT: AMEN.
  • 00:50:11.160 --> 00:50:12.040
  • BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:50:12.040 --> 00:50:13.000
  • "HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN" IS
  • 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:14.220
  • WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING AND
  • 00:50:14.220 --> 00:50:16.160
  • UNPACKING, AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU
  • 00:50:17.060 --> 00:50:20.060
  • A QUESTION AND ANSWER IT--
  • 00:50:20.060 --> 00:50:21.190
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:50:22.210 --> 00:50:25.210
  • -- IN CASE WE EVEN HAVE TO EDIT
  • 00:50:25.210 --> 00:50:26.130
  • SOMETHIN' ELSE 'CAUSE I WANNA
  • 00:50:26.130 --> 00:50:27.260
  • ASK IT 'CAUSE IT FEELS LIKE WHAT
  • 00:50:27.260 --> 00:50:29.180
  • THE TAKEAWAY FOR ME IS THAT THE
  • 00:50:30.170 --> 00:50:33.170
  • HOLY SPIRIT AND YOUR HEALING IS,
  • 00:50:33.170 --> 00:50:35.100
  • FIRST OF ALL, WORK.
  • 00:50:35.100 --> 00:50:38.080
  • WE ALWAYS WANT GOD TO DO
  • 00:50:38.080 --> 00:50:39.110
  • SOMETHING FOR US OR TO US, AND
  • 00:50:39.110 --> 00:50:41.170
  • WE DON'T WANNA JUST DO THE HARD
  • 00:50:41.170 --> 00:50:43.230
  • WORK AND GET FIXED.
  • 00:50:43.230 --> 00:50:45.040
  • SO I WAS WATCHING SOMETHING NOT
  • 00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:47.240
  • LONG AGO, AND I HEARD THIS TERM
  • 00:50:47.240 --> 00:50:50.240
  • "SAME-DAY SEED," WHICH SEEMED TO
  • 00:50:50.240 --> 00:50:52.260
  • BE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SHORTCUT
  • 00:50:53.180 --> 00:50:56.180
  • SOMETHING AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE
  • 00:50:56.180 --> 00:50:58.240
  • NOW, AND THERE'S THIS SAME-DAY
  • 00:50:58.240 --> 00:51:00.110
  • SEED AND-- OKAY.
  • 00:51:00.110 --> 00:51:01.190
  • SO THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE
  • 00:51:02.030 --> 00:51:05.030
  • TALKING ABOUT.
  • 00:51:05.030 --> 00:51:07.270
  • - JOYCE: AND I DON'T THINK
  • 00:51:07.270 --> 00:51:09.050
  • THAT'S REALITY.
  • 00:51:09.050 --> 00:51:10.000
  • - LAURIE: IT IS NOT.
  • 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:10.170
  • - MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:51:10.170 --> 00:51:11.080
  • - JOYCE: THOSE KIND OF
  • 00:51:11.080 --> 00:51:11.260
  • STATEMENTS ACTUALLY REALLY
  • 00:51:11.260 --> 00:51:13.060
  • AGGRAVATE ME BECAUSE IT'S LIKE
  • 00:51:13.060 --> 00:51:14.280
  • TELLING SOMEBODY, WHEN THEY
  • 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:16.230
  • RECEIVE CHRIST, THAT THAT'S THE
  • 00:51:16.230 --> 00:51:17.200
  • END OF ALL THEIR PROBLEMS.
  • 00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:18.090
  • THAT IS JUST ABSOLUTELY NOT
  • 00:51:18.090 --> 00:51:20.050
  • TRUE.
  • 00:51:20.050 --> 00:51:20.250
  • I TELL PEOPLE THERE'S NO
  • 00:51:20.250 --> 00:51:22.120
  • GUARANTEE YOU WON'T HAVE
  • 00:51:22.120 --> 00:51:23.050
  • PROBLEMS, BUT IF YOU HAVE JESUS,
  • 00:51:23.050 --> 00:51:24.080
  • YOU NEVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM
  • 00:51:24.080 --> 00:51:25.290
  • ALONE.
  • 00:51:25.290 --> 00:51:26.160
  • - MATT: THERE YOU GO.
  • 00:51:26.160 --> 00:51:27.060
  • - JOYCE: YOU ALREADY GOT
  • 00:51:27.060 --> 00:51:28.000
  • SOMEBODY TO HELP YOU, AND YOUR
  • 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:29.280
  • WORST DAY WITH HIM WILL BE
  • 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.100
  • BETTER THAN YOUR BEST DAY EVER
  • 00:51:32.100 --> 00:51:33.070
  • WAS WITHOUT HIM.
  • 00:51:33.070 --> 00:51:34.180
  • AND ONE OF THE CHAPTERS IS
  • 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.000
  • CALLED "THE PAINLESS PATH," AND
  • 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:39.100
  • WE ALL LOOK FOR THAT, BUT THERE
  • 00:51:39.100 --> 00:51:41.070
  • IS NO SUCH THING, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:51:41.070 --> 00:51:43.180
  • JESUS WALKED A PATH OF PAIN,
  • 00:51:43.180 --> 00:51:45.020
  • AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BROAD
  • 00:51:45.020 --> 00:51:46.080
  • PATH AND A NARROW PATH, AND IF
  • 00:51:46.080 --> 00:51:47.200
  • YOU WANNA LIVE ON THE BROAD PATH
  • 00:51:47.200 --> 00:51:49.120
  • WHICH ENDS IN DESTRUCTION, YOU
  • 00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:50.220
  • CAN KIND OF FIND A WAY TO NUMB
  • 00:51:50.220 --> 00:51:53.160
  • YOUR PAIN, OR YOU CAN DRUG IT
  • 00:51:53.160 --> 00:51:56.140
  • AWAY OR ALCOHOL IT AWAY OR SEX
  • 00:51:56.140 --> 00:51:58.210
  • IT AWAY OR WHATEVER YOU THINK
  • 00:51:58.210 --> 00:52:00.100
  • YOU DO TO END IT, BUT IT'S STILL
  • 00:52:00.100 --> 00:52:02.140
  • GONNA BE THERE TO HAUNT YOU WHEN
  • 00:52:02.140 --> 00:52:04.130
  • YOU'RE BY YOURSELF, AND THE
  • 00:52:04.170 --> 00:52:07.170
  • THING IS GOD WILL DO THIS IN
  • 00:52:08.010 --> 00:52:11.010
  • YOUR LIFE, BUT IT IS WORK, AND
  • 00:52:11.010 --> 00:52:12.240
  • ONE SCRIPTURE MAKES THAT VERY
  • 00:52:12.240 --> 00:52:15.070
  • CLEAR: PHILIPPIANS 2:12, "WORK
  • 00:52:15.070 --> 00:52:17.050
  • OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR
  • 00:52:17.260 --> 00:52:20.260
  • AND TREMBLING, NOT IN YOUR OWN
  • 00:52:20.260 --> 00:52:22.230
  • STRENGTH, FOR IT IS GOD WHO IS
  • 00:52:22.230 --> 00:52:24.190
  • ALL THE WHILE AT WORK IN YOU."
  • 00:52:24.190 --> 00:52:26.230
  • SO IT DOESN'T SAY, "WORK FOR
  • 00:52:26.230 --> 00:52:28.050
  • YOUR SALVATION."
  • 00:52:28.050 --> 00:52:30.080
  • THAT'S A FREE GIFT.
  • 00:52:30.080 --> 00:52:31.140
  • SO GOD DOWNLOADS AT OUR
  • 00:52:31.140 --> 00:52:32.230
  • SALVATION EVERYTHING INTO OUR
  • 00:52:32.230 --> 00:52:34.290
  • SPIRIT THAT WE NEED TO LIVE AN
  • 00:52:34.290 --> 00:52:37.270
  • AMAZING LIFE, BUT IT COMES IN
  • 00:52:37.270 --> 00:52:39.090
  • SEED FORM.
  • 00:52:39.090 --> 00:52:40.050
  • JESUS IS CALLED "THE SEED--"
  • 00:52:40.270 --> 00:52:43.270
  • CAPITAL S-- "OF GOD."
  • 00:52:44.110 --> 00:52:47.110
  • AND SO IT'S LIKE YOU BECOME
  • 00:52:47.110 --> 00:52:49.280
  • PREGNANT WITH GODLINESS WHEN
  • 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:50.290
  • YOU'RE BORN AGAIN,
  • 00:52:50.290 --> 00:52:52.090
  • BUT YOU HAVE TO CARRY THOSE
  • 00:52:53.100 --> 00:52:56.100
  • SEEDS.
  • 00:52:56.100 --> 00:52:57.100
  • YOU WATER THEM WITH THE WORD,
  • 00:52:57.100 --> 00:52:58.100
  • YOU LET GOD GET THE WEEDS OUT OF
  • 00:52:58.100 --> 00:52:59.260
  • YOUR LIFE, AND WE BECOME LIKE
  • 00:52:59.260 --> 00:53:01.190
  • HIS GARDEN, AND HE'S THE CHIEF
  • 00:53:01.190 --> 00:53:03.290
  • GARDENER, AND SO YOU LET HIM DO
  • 00:53:03.290 --> 00:53:06.210
  • THAT, AND YOU WORK THAT OUT.
  • 00:53:06.210 --> 00:53:09.210
  • YOU LET IT BE WORKED FROM IN
  • 00:53:09.210 --> 00:53:12.120
  • YOU, OUT THROUGH YOUR SOUL, AND
  • 00:53:12.120 --> 00:53:14.090
  • THEN, EVENTUALLY, THINGS LIKE
  • 00:53:14.150 --> 00:53:17.150
  • THIS LIKE WE'RE DOIN' RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:53:17.150 --> 00:53:19.280
  • NOW YOU HAVE A CHANGED LIFE, AND
  • 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:21.290
  • PEOPLE SEE THAT, AND THEY'RE
  • 00:53:21.290 --> 00:53:23.180
  • LIKE, "WELL, IT HAS TO BE GOD."
  • 00:53:23.180 --> 00:53:26.000
  • - MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:26.270
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE
  • 00:53:26.270 --> 00:53:27.200
  • GOD.
  • 00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:27.280
  • - MATT: ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.260
  • - LAURIE: IT'S GONNA HELP
  • 00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:29.150
  • EVERYBODY.
  • 00:53:29.150 --> 00:53:29.260
  • - MATT: "SAME-DAY SEED" WOULD
  • 00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:31.010
  • BE REACHIN' IN THE GROUND,
  • 00:53:31.010 --> 00:53:31.200
  • PULLIN' THE SAME SEED BACK OUT.
  • 00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:32.190
  • - JOYCE: THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY
  • 00:53:32.190 --> 00:53:33.110
  • SENSE.
  • 00:53:33.110 --> 00:53:33.220
  • - MATT: YEAH, YEAH, IT DOESN'T
  • 00:53:33.220 --> 00:53:34.160
  • MAKE ANY SENSE.
  • 00:53:34.160 --> 00:53:36.080
  • I GOT IT.
  • 00:53:36.080 --> 00:53:36.220
  • "HEALING FOR THE SOUL OF A
  • 00:53:36.220 --> 00:53:37.180
  • WOMAN," AND "HEALING THE SOUL OF
  • 00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:40.260
  • A MAN" IS THE BOOK, AND WE'VE
  • 00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:43.020
  • BEEN UNPACKING IT WITH "NEW
  • 00:53:43.020 --> 00:53:44.070
  • YORK TIMES" NUMBER ONE
  • 00:53:44.070 --> 00:53:46.240
  • BEST-SELLING AUTHOR JOYCE MEYER.
  • 00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:48.060
  • WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
  • 00:53:48.060 --> 00:53:50.140
  • THANK YOU, JOYCE.
  • 00:53:50.140 --> 00:53:51.240
  • - JOYCE: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
  • 00:53:51.240 --> 00:53:52.160
  • HAVING ME.
  • 00:53:52.160 --> 00:53:53.040
  • - MATT: AND WHAT A BEAUTIFUL
  • 00:53:53.040 --> 00:53:54.050
  • PLACE, THIS ATLANTIC OCEAN OVER
  • 00:53:54.050 --> 00:53:54.270
  • HERE.
  • 00:53:54.270 --> 00:53:55.120
  • WE'LL SEE YA NEXT TIME.
  • 00:53:55.120 --> 00:53:56.090
  • BYE-BYE.
  • 00:53:56.090 --> 00:53:56.290