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March 11, 2019
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Praise | Ken Ham | 3/11/19

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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - [Announcer] Tonight on Praise from Los Angeles,
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  • creationist, apologist,
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  • and the founder of answers in Genesis, Ken Ham.
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  • And now Matt Crouch.
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  • - We welcome you to Praise. (audience cheers and applauds)
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  • Today my wife has turned into my youngest son
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  • and Dr. Ham, we're gonna be talking all program.
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  • What are we unpacking for our audience tonight all night?
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  • - Well, the very first verse
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  • of the Bible says in the beginning God created the heavens
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  • and the Earth, do you realize if
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  • that verse is not true then neither is the rest
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  • of the Bible?
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - In fact, not only that, the first 11 chapters
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  • of the Bible in Genesis are foundational
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  • to the whole of the rest of the Bible, the Gospel all
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  • of our doctrines, the doctrine of marriage and so on.
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  • And we live in a culture where we're told
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  • that science has disproved Genesis, that science has shown
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  • that we evolve from ape-like creatures
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  • that evolution is true that God did not create us.
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  • You know what's interesting
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  • is I've traveled around the world,
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  • it doesn't matter what country I go to,
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  • could be a third world country,
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  • people ask the same basic questions when they hear
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  • that you're on about the Bible, you're Christian,
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  • you're on about the Gospel
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  • they ask the same basic questions.
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  • Questions like, "Well, how do you know the Bibles true?"
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  • Or, "Where'd the Bible come from?"
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  • "Well hasn't science disproved the Bible?"
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  • We live in a scientific age now, "Wait a minute,
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  • "how do you know there's a God?
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  • "Well, where did God come from?
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  • "Do you believe in Adam and Eve?
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  • "What about all the Ape men?
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  • "Or, where did Cain get his wife?
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  • "Or how do you explain the races of people
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  • "if we all go back to Adam and Eve?
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  • "And what about dinosaurs, didn't they live millions
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  • "of years ago?
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  • "And Noah's Ark he couldn't
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  • "of fit all the animals on board anyway
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  • "and besides, which Carbon-14 has disproved the Bible."
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  • Actually it's interesting, when I'm talking
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  • to any audience I would even say the studio audience tonight
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  • put your hand up if you've heard those sorts
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  • of questions today.
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  • You see all the hands that go up?
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  • - [Matt] Yeah.
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  • - Because we've all heard those questions
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  • but, I'll ask another question and don't put your hands up
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  • but think about it, how many
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  • of us could really answer those questions?
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  • (laughing)
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  • Because most people can't and that's a reason why I find
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  • that a lot of people aren't prepared to go out
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  • and witness the Lord Jesus Christ
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  • because they're gonna be intimidated by questions
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  • that are asked and most people have never been taught how
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  • to answer those questions
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  • and what a difference it makes when we have answers
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  • that we can go out there
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  • and tell people when they ask those questions.
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  • "Where did Cain get his wife?"
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  • Oh, I gotta answer for you!
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  • Or, "Hasn't science disproved the Bible?"
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  • Oh, I can answer that!
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  • "What about Carbon dating?"
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  • Oh, let me answer that for you!
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  • That's where I am, Ministry by the way,
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  • it's called, "Answers In Genesis."
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  • - [Matt] Right.
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  • - You know, 1 Peter 3:15 says
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  • always be prepared to give an answer
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  • or a defense and the word answer
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  • or defense comes from the Greek word Apologia
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  • from which we get our word apologetics.
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  • - [Matt] Got it.
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  • - And so, there's been a lack of teaching
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  • of apologetics in our Churches and because
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  • of that think about it, 18% of millennials go to Church.
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  • - [Matt] Hmm.
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  • - Now Cody's a millennial.
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  • - [Cody] Sure.
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  • - 18% of your generation go to Church.
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  • - [Cody] That's crazy.
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  • - Do you know with the older generations, when you go back
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  • to say the greatest generation, those born before 1928,
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  • it was 56% or more that went to Church.
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  • - [Cody] Wow.
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  • - But now we're down to 18%, Generation Z,
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  • well they'd say, Generation Zed in Australia,
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  • (laughing)
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  • Generation Z, basically the teenagers today, they're twice
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  • as likely to be Atheists as any previous generation and less
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  • of them go to Church as well
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  • and so, we gotta ask ourselves what is happening
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  • to our culture?
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  • We're losing the culture from a Christian perspective.
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  • Well, I believe it's
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  • because generations have been indoctrinated to believe
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  • that you can't trust this book because of science
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  • and I wanna give those answers, I wanna go through
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  • that in this program and help give those answers
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  • to show people you can trust this book,
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  • you can trust it's history in Genesis.
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  • That's why you can trust the Gospel
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  • that's based in that history and the answers are there.
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  • We've had scientists
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  • for many years researching all these questions
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  • and the answers are readily available
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  • and what a difference it makes.
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  • We've also done research 'cause we found
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  • that 2/3 of young people are leaving the Church
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  • by the time they reach college age and very few return
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  • and when we used America's research group
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  • and did the research "Why did you leave the Church?"
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  • Came down to doubts about the Bible
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  • because of what they were taught at school,
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  • about science, about evolution, about millions of years.
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  • That's why it's so important to deal with these issues
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  • and why it's so important that we have answers
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  • and so that's what I want to do in this program.
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  • I wanna go through many of those topics
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  • and give those answers because it excites people.
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  • It makes them bold for the faith, sets them on fire
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  • for the Lord and
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  • what a difference it makes when we can go out there
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  • and boldly stand because we know we can defend the faith.
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  • - [Cody] Awesome. (audience clapping)
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  • - [Matt] Beautiful, beautiful.
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  • Dr. Ken Ham
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  • If we're introducing him to you, if Cody
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  • and I are introducing him to you, watch this bio piece.
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  • It'll tell you a lot more
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  • about what we're gonna unpack
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  • right here, right now, watch this.
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  • - [Announcer] Ken Ham, CEO and founder
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  • of the highly-acclaimed Creation Museum,
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  • Answers In Genesis U.S.
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  • Also the visionary behind this popular
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  • full size Noah's Ark in Kentucky.
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  • Ken, a highly sought after Christian conference speaker
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  • and talk show guest, has appeared on several TV shows.
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  • He became internationally known
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  • for his 2014 creation evolution debate with Bill Nye,
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  • watched by an estimated 25 million people.
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  • As an author and biblical apologist
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  • Ken focuses on the authority of the Bible and it's relevance
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  • to everyday living.
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  • Addressing issues like creation and evolution, death
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  • and suffering, abortion and the undermining
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  • of religious freedoms.
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  • When it comes to tackling life's most difficult questions,
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  • many agree Ken Ham's the man.
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  • (audience clapping)
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  • - [Matt] I like that.
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  • - [Cody] Awesome.
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  • - Ken Ham is the man and he's here all night.
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  • Let's get right into it, question number one.
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  • - So what's the number one question asked
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  • to you about creationism or evolution?
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  • - The number one question, actually I would say there were
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  • two that sort of tie for the top.
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  • - [Cody] Got it.
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  • - In 1975, I became a science teacher
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  • in the public schools in Australia and one
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  • of the first lessons I taught the students
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  • said "Sir, how can we believe the Bible when we know
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  • "it's not true because our science textbooks
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  • "teach evolution?"
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  • And so on and one of the students piped up and he said,
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  • "And sir, Noah couldn't have fit
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  • "all those animals on the Ark."
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  • And that's one of the top questions, how could Noah get all
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  • the animals on the Ark, how can you believe in Noah's Ark?
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  • After all, in gift stores all around the world
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  • you see Noah's Ark as an overloaded bathtub
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  • with giraffes sticking out the chimney--
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  • - [Cody] Right.
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  • - And could sink at any moment.
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  • - [Cody] Right.
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  • - You know, when I see them on Kindergarten walls
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  • and churches I get this urge to commit a crime,
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  • and paint over them or something like that.
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  • But the other question that I've been asked over and over
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  • and over again is well where did Cain get his wife?
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  • You believe in Adam and Eve, I had Cain and Abel and Seth,
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  • where did Cain get his wife?
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  • It's really been disturbing
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  • to me that people aren't worried about where I get my wife.
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  • It's always Cain's wife they're interested in
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  • they're not interested in my wife
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  • so I could talk about my wife.
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  • - [Matt] Okay, answer those top two.
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  • - Answer those top two, okay, where did Cain get his wife?
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  • We'll do that one first,
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  • see the Bible makes it clear there was one man Adam.
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  • 1 Corinthians 15:45 Adam was the first man and we're told
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  • that God in Genesis three reveals
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  • to us Adam named his wife, or in Genesis two, I should say,
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  • Eve, because she was the mother of all the living
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  • and so there's Genesis one through three has the account
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  • of one man, one women and Genesis 5:4 says Adam had sons
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  • and daughters, sons and daughters not just sons.
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  • So, originally if you get rid of all outside influences,
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  • the Bible says there's Adam and Eve, this is very important
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  • 'cause we're all descendants of Adam and only descendants
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  • of Adam can be saved.
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  • So, you see if there are different races
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  • because some people think there had to be different races
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  • to get all the different types of people you have today
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  • but only Adam's race can be saved
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  • because God's son stepped into history to be a descendant
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  • of Adam and to save Adam's race.
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  • We're all one race, we all go back to Adam
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  • and Eve so Cain's wife had
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  • to be a close relative, his sister.
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  • Now, if we say that today, for instance I had an Atheist
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  • to call me up on a radio program, he said,
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  • "You believe that, that's immoral."
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  • I said, "Well, you're an Atheist,
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  • "you can't accuse me of being immoral anyway
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  • "'cause you have no basis for your standards, right?"
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  • And then he said-- - [Matt] That's funny
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  • - "Well it's incest."
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  • Well, the word incest is a fairly modern word
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  • or wasn't invented till about the 14th century or so
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  • and we put a whole range of things under incest, some
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  • of which have always been immoral but not brother
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  • and sister marriage in the context of biblical history.
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  • Think about this, Cody if you get married,
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  • you're not married yet?
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  • - [Cody] Not yet.
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  • - [Ken] Okay. - Workin' on it
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  • - [Ken] Workin' on it?
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  • - Workin' on it with that one sittin' right over there.
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  • (audience clapping)
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  • (laughing)
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  • - [Ken] You need me to advertise for someone?
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  • - [Cody] (laughing) I'm good.
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  • - So, when you get married,
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  • are you gonna marry your relative?
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  • And you better say yes!
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  • Because if you don't, you don't marry a human.
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  • - [Cody] (chuckles) Okay, yeah.
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  • - [Ken] Think about that.
  • 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:46.130
  • - [Cody] Okay.
  • 00:09:46.130 --> 00:09:47.260
  • - All right, when you get married you marry your relative.
  • 00:09:47.260 --> 00:09:49.160
  • - [Matt] You go back far enough, we're all related--
  • 00:09:49.160 --> 00:09:51.130
  • - The point is we're all related
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  • to each other, we're just having a family get together
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  • here tonight, by the way.
  • 00:09:55.140 --> 00:09:56.210
  • - [Cody] Alright, got it, nice! Uncle Ham!
  • 00:09:56.210 --> 00:09:57.160
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:09:57.160 --> 00:09:59.050
  • - The thing today is if you marry a close relative
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  • there can be problems with children, deformities
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  • and so on and the reason is because when God made Adam
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  • and Eve, their genes were perfect but because
  • 00:10:08.030 --> 00:10:09.270
  • of sin they are now copying mistakes from one generation
  • 00:10:09.270 --> 00:10:12.290
  • to the next and they add up and now we've got a lot
  • 00:10:12.290 --> 00:10:15.260
  • of mistakes in our genes, I mean if you look at your father
  • 00:10:15.260 --> 00:10:19.000
  • we now have a lot of, that's a joke.
  • 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:23.200
  • - [Matt] Yeah, got it. (laughing)
  • 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.240
  • - We now have a lot of mistakes.
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  • (audience clapping)
  • 00:10:27.270 --> 00:10:29.030
  • And so, today if close relatives marry,
  • 00:10:29.030 --> 00:10:33.170
  • those mistakes can get together
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  • and express deformities in the offspring.
  • 00:10:35.180 --> 00:10:37.040
  • That's why God at the time
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  • of Moses brought in a law in Leviticus, you read it
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  • that no longer for close relations to marry
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  • for the Israelites and we abide by
  • 00:10:45.010 --> 00:10:46.170
  • that principal today, countries all around the world do it
  • 00:10:46.170 --> 00:10:48.280
  • but it's because of sin
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  • and the genetic mistakes we have, the further back they go
  • 00:10:50.130 --> 00:10:52.230
  • in history the less of a problem that is.
  • 00:10:52.230 --> 00:10:55.030
  • Adam and Eve had no mistakes, their children had very few
  • 00:10:55.030 --> 00:10:57.150
  • and so, there would've been no problem with Adam
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  • and Eve marrying, sorry, well Adam
  • 00:11:01.010 --> 00:11:03.290
  • and Eve were the first married couple, with Adam
  • 00:11:03.290 --> 00:11:06.010
  • and Eve's children marrying each other
  • 00:11:06.010 --> 00:11:07.290
  • there would've been no problem with
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  • that as long as it's one man
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  • and one women which is what the doctrine
  • 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:13.070
  • of marriage is all about.
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  • As Jesus explains in the New Testament in Matthew 19,
  • 00:11:15.050 --> 00:11:17.270
  • haven't you read, at the beginning made them male
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  • and female, and so you see that's very easy--
  • 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.280
  • - [Cody] Right. (audience clapping)
  • 00:11:22.280 --> 00:11:23.290
  • - To understand. - True.
  • 00:11:23.290 --> 00:11:25.130
  • - And then the other one that you wanted an answer to,
  • 00:11:25.130 --> 00:11:28.270
  • how did Noah fit the animals on the Ark, the Bible says
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  • that God sent the animals to Noah to take on the Ark
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  • and there was gonna be two of each kind, seven pairs
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  • of some but two of each kind
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  • of land dwelling, air breathing animal.
  • 00:11:41.110 --> 00:11:43.170
  • This is where Bill Nye, when I debated him in 2014
  • 00:11:43.170 --> 00:11:46.240
  • got it all wrong 'cause he mocked at me
  • 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.110
  • for believing in Noah's Ark
  • 00:11:49.110 --> 00:11:50.150
  • and said, "You couldn't fit the millions
  • 00:11:50.150 --> 00:11:53.000
  • "of species onboard,"
  • 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:54.230
  • well we have a classification system today
  • 00:11:54.230 --> 00:11:56.280
  • an arbitrary classification system,
  • 00:11:56.280 --> 00:11:59.080
  • manners embedded file class order, family, genus, species
  • 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:02.280
  • and what we would say is this,
  • 00:12:02.280 --> 00:12:06.050
  • that the kind, the Hebrew word
  • 00:12:06.050 --> 00:12:08.000
  • for kind is the Hebrew word min, in Genesis,
  • 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:11.180
  • when God made kinds of animals after their kind
  • 00:12:11.180 --> 00:12:15.000
  • and two of each kind to go on Noah's Ark,
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  • kind would be more at the family level of classification.
  • 00:12:18.150 --> 00:12:22.000
  • Not species, not genus.
  • 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:23.270
  • For instance if you take dogs, lots of species of dogs
  • 00:12:23.270 --> 00:12:26.260
  • but they're all one kind, there's one family of dogs
  • 00:12:26.260 --> 00:12:30.200
  • so you only needed two dogs on the Ark.
  • 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:33.120
  • Now we can talk later about, wait a minute
  • 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.270
  • then those two dogs came off
  • 00:12:35.270 --> 00:12:37.130
  • and formed all the different species we have today, isn't
  • 00:12:37.130 --> 00:12:39.180
  • that evolution?
  • 00:12:39.180 --> 00:12:40.240
  • I would say no and I can explain that to you.
  • 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.130
  • But if only two of each kind, in the most instances
  • 00:12:42.130 --> 00:12:45.210
  • a kind is a family level, we did all the research
  • 00:12:45.210 --> 00:12:48.120
  • for the life size Ark that we built in Kentucky.
  • 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:51.040
  • Had scientists research for years.
  • 00:12:51.040 --> 00:12:52.290
  • They documented how, for instance, with cats you can show
  • 00:12:52.290 --> 00:12:56.190
  • how they're all interconnected there's only one cat kind,
  • 00:12:56.190 --> 00:12:59.020
  • there's only one cat family.
  • 00:12:59.020 --> 00:13:00.270
  • Dog's, they're all interconnected, this one breed's with
  • 00:13:00.270 --> 00:13:03.020
  • that one, that one with this one, this one with that one,
  • 00:13:03.020 --> 00:13:04.100
  • that one with this one, this one with
  • 00:13:04.100 --> 00:13:05.260
  • that one, this one never bred with that one,
  • 00:13:05.260 --> 00:13:08.160
  • but it bred with that one that bred with that one
  • 00:13:08.160 --> 00:13:10.060
  • that bred with that one.
  • 00:13:10.060 --> 00:13:11.200
  • So they're all the one kind and so what it really comes down
  • 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.170
  • to is we would say just over a thousand kinds at the most,
  • 00:13:14.170 --> 00:13:19.170
  • about 1300 kinds at the most on Noah's Ark,
  • 00:13:20.210 --> 00:13:22.280
  • fact we think it was probably less then a thousand kinds.
  • 00:13:22.280 --> 00:13:25.270
  • Most animals are pretty small, there was tons of room
  • 00:13:25.270 --> 00:13:29.020
  • on the Ark.
  • 00:13:29.020 --> 00:13:30.170
  • See it's exciting when you can give those answers.
  • 00:13:30.170 --> 00:13:32.130
  • - And when you kinda are the guy
  • 00:13:32.130 --> 00:13:36.090
  • that not just wrote the book on this subject
  • 00:13:36.090 --> 00:13:39.150
  • but you built the full scale model on this subject, okay?
  • 00:13:39.150 --> 00:13:43.090
  • You're not just an author in regard to this.
  • 00:13:43.090 --> 00:13:46.030
  • - Yeah, you don't have to go to Mount Ararat
  • 00:13:46.030 --> 00:13:47.130
  • to find the Ark, it's in Kentucky.
  • 00:13:47.130 --> 00:13:48.290
  • - [Matt] It's in Kentucky, right outside of Cincinnati.
  • 00:13:48.290 --> 00:13:51.150
  • So one of the things that happened
  • 00:13:51.150 --> 00:13:54.080
  • and we're gonna step through this on this broadcast
  • 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:57.160
  • is Bill Nye, known
  • 00:13:57.160 --> 00:14:00.250
  • to this generation as Bill Nye the Science Guy
  • 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:03.180
  • and he came to the Ark Encounter, you had a series
  • 00:14:03.180 --> 00:14:08.150
  • of kinda walking debates with him, this is our first clip,
  • 00:14:08.150 --> 00:14:12.280
  • we'll get into this, Are Humans Animals?
  • 00:14:12.280 --> 00:14:15.190
  • Watch this.
  • 00:14:15.190 --> 00:14:16.210
  • - And my biggest concern,
  • 00:14:16.210 --> 00:14:18.030
  • that your teaching generations
  • 00:14:18.030 --> 00:14:19.110
  • of these young people they are just animals,
  • 00:14:19.110 --> 00:14:21.220
  • that they come about by natural processes?
  • 00:14:21.220 --> 00:14:24.150
  • Aren't you teaching that humans are animals?
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  • Are we animals?
  • 00:14:26.180 --> 00:14:28.060
  • - Yeah, we're mammals.
  • 00:14:28.060 --> 00:14:29.270
  • - We're just animals, okay.
  • 00:14:29.270 --> 00:14:30.270
  • - Isn't that good?
  • 00:14:30.270 --> 00:14:32.090
  • - So, all life is related, right?
  • 00:14:32.090 --> 00:14:33.240
  • - Of course there's a few of us seem like lizards.
  • 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:36.000
  • - From your perspective, all life is related?
  • 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.130
  • - Certainly.
  • 00:14:39.090 --> 00:14:40.160
  • - Even plants, we're related to plants?
  • 00:14:40.160 --> 00:14:42.010
  • - It's one of the fundamental discoveries in all of life.
  • 00:14:42.010 --> 00:14:43.190
  • - Okay, so we're related to plants?
  • 00:14:43.190 --> 00:14:45.200
  • - Yes!
  • 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:47.220
  • - So we're related to a banana?
  • 00:14:47.220 --> 00:14:49.050
  • - Yes!
  • 00:14:49.050 --> 00:14:50.000
  • - Okay.
  • 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:51.070
  • - [Matt] What were you alluding to?
  • 00:14:51.070 --> 00:14:53.000
  • What was your line of questioning leading
  • 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:54.230
  • to there in that clip?
  • 00:14:54.230 --> 00:14:56.090
  • - Well I mentioned earlier that only 18% of millennials go
  • 00:14:56.090 --> 00:15:00.260
  • to church and Generation Z is even less then that
  • 00:15:00.260 --> 00:15:03.290
  • and there's a sense of purposeless
  • 00:15:03.290 --> 00:15:06.170
  • and meaninglessness amongst our younger generation,
  • 00:15:06.170 --> 00:15:09.100
  • suicide rate is extremely high.
  • 00:15:09.100 --> 00:15:11.170
  • You think about this, you take generations
  • 00:15:11.170 --> 00:15:14.210
  • of kids through an education system
  • 00:15:14.210 --> 00:15:16.060
  • and tell them there's no God, all life is related,
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  • we're related to plants, we're related
  • 00:15:19.030 --> 00:15:20.220
  • to the animals, humans are no different then animals
  • 00:15:20.220 --> 00:15:23.100
  • and there's no ultimate purpose and meaning in life.
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  • What's life all about then?
  • 00:15:27.160 --> 00:15:28.270
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:15:28.270 --> 00:15:30.040
  • - And if there is no God and we're just result
  • 00:15:30.040 --> 00:15:32.030
  • of natural processes, who determines what's right
  • 00:15:32.030 --> 00:15:34.090
  • and what's wrong?
  • 00:15:34.090 --> 00:15:35.160
  • Who determines what's good and what's bad?
  • 00:15:35.160 --> 00:15:37.060
  • Later on during that walkthrough debate, through the Ark,
  • 00:15:37.060 --> 00:15:41.070
  • I said to Bill Nye, "How do you determine what's right
  • 00:15:41.070 --> 00:15:44.170
  • "and what's wrong then, if we're all just animals?"
  • 00:15:44.170 --> 00:15:46.110
  • And he said, "By a consensus of the tribe."
  • 00:15:46.110 --> 00:15:48.060
  • So then I said, "So then it's all subjective,
  • 00:15:48.060 --> 00:15:50.050
  • "it's just your opinion."
  • 00:15:50.050 --> 00:15:51.040
  • "That's right."
  • 00:15:51.040 --> 00:15:52.120
  • "Well your opinion could be different
  • 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:53.100
  • "to somebody else's opinion."
  • 00:15:53.100 --> 00:15:54.090
  • "That's right."
  • 00:15:54.090 --> 00:15:55.240
  • And that's where we are in our culture, think about it,
  • 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.060
  • in the Book of Judges when there was no King
  • 00:15:58.060 --> 00:16:00.180
  • to tell em' what to do, they all did
  • 00:16:00.180 --> 00:16:02.080
  • what was right in their own eyes.
  • 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:05.010
  • That really sums up where our culture is at
  • 00:16:05.010 --> 00:16:07.050
  • and you take generations through an education system
  • 00:16:07.050 --> 00:16:10.080
  • and teach them we're no different to the animals
  • 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:12.000
  • and we're just like plants, we're all related,
  • 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:13.200
  • then everyone does what is right in his own eyes.
  • 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:17.010
  • Moral relativism will permeate the culture,
  • 00:16:17.010 --> 00:16:19.150
  • that's what we're seeing.
  • 00:16:19.150 --> 00:16:20.280
  • - Got it, I've heard it said
  • 00:16:20.280 --> 00:16:22.080
  • that basically you tell a generation
  • 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.180
  • that they're no different then the animals
  • 00:16:24.180 --> 00:16:27.100
  • then you're surprised when they act like them.
  • 00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:29.070
  • - [Ken] Exactly.
  • 00:16:29.070 --> 00:16:30.130
  • - So ultimately that's what we're doing.
  • 00:16:30.130 --> 00:16:31.210
  • Okay, let me just kinda reset, first
  • 00:16:31.210 --> 00:16:35.110
  • of all this is Cody, he belongs to me.
  • 00:16:35.110 --> 00:16:38.190
  • - Hi.
  • 00:16:38.190 --> 00:16:39.250
  • - There's a process that happens when a man
  • 00:16:39.250 --> 00:16:41.130
  • and a woman come together, I'll explain that later to you.
  • 00:16:41.130 --> 00:16:44.220
  • (audience laughing)
  • 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:46.080
  • - That's a joke.
  • 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.030
  • - [Ken] Ah, okay.
  • 00:16:47.030 --> 00:16:48.110
  • - Yeah got it, okay - I'll laugh, okay.
  • 00:16:48.110 --> 00:16:49.250
  • - Ken doesn't understand my humor, not many people do but--
  • 00:16:49.250 --> 00:16:53.260
  • - Well the Bible did say be fruitful and multiply.
  • 00:16:53.260 --> 00:16:56.010
  • (Cody laughing)
  • 00:16:56.010 --> 00:16:57.170
  • - Okay, so when my wife and I got fruitful, this is one
  • 00:16:57.170 --> 00:17:00.280
  • of the results of it right here.
  • 00:17:00.280 --> 00:17:03.010
  • I'll explain that later, Cody.
  • 00:17:03.010 --> 00:17:04.160
  • - Thanks, yeah, thanks.
  • 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.070
  • - And then my other son is behind the monitor there
  • 00:17:06.070 --> 00:17:09.050
  • with the headset on and is really glad
  • 00:17:09.050 --> 00:17:12.270
  • that he's not sitting on the set at this point.
  • 00:17:12.270 --> 00:17:14.270
  • - Yeah, he'd be pretty red.
  • 00:17:14.270 --> 00:17:16.100
  • - So, what I wanna do is, I basically,
  • 00:17:16.100 --> 00:17:21.000
  • I wanna just start from the beginning.
  • 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.060
  • First of all, congratulations on everything
  • 00:17:24.060 --> 00:17:28.160
  • that you have done, not only the Creation Museum
  • 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:31.210
  • but the Ark Encounter.
  • 00:17:31.210 --> 00:17:33.060
  • You've built an entire full scale model of Noah's Ark
  • 00:17:33.060 --> 00:17:37.250
  • and it is in Kentucky right here just outside of Cincinnati.
  • 00:17:37.250 --> 00:17:41.070
  • You also basically are helping us with our ability
  • 00:17:41.070 --> 00:17:46.070
  • to understand to have reason or to have answers to some
  • 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:51.110
  • of the questions that keep people from pursuing their faith.
  • 00:17:51.110 --> 00:17:55.150
  • Alright, so what we're gonna step through,
  • 00:17:55.150 --> 00:17:57.210
  • by the way the set looks amazing,
  • 00:17:57.210 --> 00:17:59.220
  • you've never actually been in this studio?
  • 00:17:59.220 --> 00:18:02.040
  • I don't think. - No, I don't believe so.
  • 00:18:02.040 --> 00:18:03.190
  • - So this studio has been here since the 80's
  • 00:18:03.190 --> 00:18:06.290
  • and the last time we were together
  • 00:18:06.290 --> 00:18:10.210
  • we were in another studio across town, welcome
  • 00:18:10.210 --> 00:18:14.100
  • to this studio here in Southern California.
  • 00:18:14.100 --> 00:18:17.030
  • - It's what trans-random processes actually produces.
  • 00:18:17.030 --> 00:18:20.170
  • - Yeah, that's a joke right?
  • 00:18:20.170 --> 00:18:22.120
  • - [Ken] That's a joke.
  • 00:18:22.120 --> 00:18:23.160
  • - Yeah, got it, alright I'm catchin' on.
  • 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:25.160
  • So, I'm gonna go to another clip and I wanna make sure
  • 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:30.160
  • that when I set this up that we're not kidding.
  • 00:18:31.210 --> 00:18:36.080
  • Bill Nye The Science Guy was at the Ark Encounter,
  • 00:18:37.210 --> 00:18:42.160
  • you're talking with him and, I mean I kinda
  • 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:46.070
  • of want the editors to put these words on the screen,
  • 00:18:46.070 --> 00:18:49.170
  • but he says the words, "We are descendants of martians."
  • 00:18:49.170 --> 00:18:54.170
  • He says that word right, martians.
  • 00:18:58.120 --> 00:19:00.130
  • - He does, he says that there might have been something
  • 00:19:00.130 --> 00:19:03.030
  • that happened on Mars, life evolved on Mars and then
  • 00:19:03.030 --> 00:19:06.180
  • that brought life to Earth and so in
  • 00:19:06.180 --> 00:19:08.230
  • that sense we're all descendants of martians.
  • 00:19:08.230 --> 00:19:11.060
  • That's what he says. - Okay well, alright,
  • 00:19:11.060 --> 00:19:13.150
  • so, it's not super clear
  • 00:19:13.150 --> 00:19:16.260
  • but he's saying the word martians, like from Mars.
  • 00:19:16.260 --> 00:19:21.090
  • Watch this.
  • 00:19:21.090 --> 00:19:22.030
  • - Okay and that's not--
  • 00:19:25.010 --> 00:19:26.050
  • - That is not crazy.
  • 00:19:26.050 --> 00:19:27.050
  • - And that's not crazy?
  • 00:19:27.050 --> 00:19:28.140
  • Is it crazier that you and I are descendants
  • 00:19:28.140 --> 00:19:29.070
  • of Adam and Eve?
  • 00:19:29.070 --> 00:19:30.160
  • - I don't know that they go by those names.
  • 00:19:33.190 --> 00:19:35.030
  • - Is it crazy that God made the first man and woman
  • 00:19:35.030 --> 00:19:36.240
  • and we're descendants of them?
  • 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.000
  • - For me there's no evidence of that.
  • 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:38.240
  • - So is that crazy?
  • 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:40.060
  • - [Woman With Pink Headband] But?
  • 00:19:40.060 --> 00:19:41.040
  • - I wouldn't use that word.
  • 00:19:41.040 --> 00:19:42.050
  • - What would you say?
  • 00:19:42.050 --> 00:19:43.160
  • - I'd say you're betraying your intellect.
  • 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.110
  • You're not using your head,
  • 00:19:45.110 --> 00:19:47.030
  • that's what I would say.
  • 00:19:47.030 --> 00:19:48.010
  • - So, you're saying it is crazy?
  • 00:19:48.010 --> 00:19:49.200
  • - It's frustrating.
  • 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:51.050
  • - Okay, follow that line of questioning,
  • 00:19:51.050 --> 00:19:53.100
  • where was all that headed?
  • 00:19:53.100 --> 00:19:54.250
  • - You know, Richard Dawkins, that famous Atheist.
  • 00:19:54.250 --> 00:19:57.150
  • When he was asked could it be possible
  • 00:19:57.150 --> 00:19:59.260
  • that intelligent design produced life on Earth
  • 00:19:59.260 --> 00:20:04.260
  • and some sort of intelligence
  • 00:20:06.060 --> 00:20:08.010
  • and his answer was well yes there could've been aliens
  • 00:20:08.010 --> 00:20:11.100
  • from another planet that seeded life on Earth, right
  • 00:20:11.100 --> 00:20:14.150
  • and other words he's prepared to believe in aliens.
  • 00:20:14.150 --> 00:20:18.090
  • In fact, if you asked him where those aliens come from
  • 00:20:18.090 --> 00:20:20.090
  • I guess it'd be aliens from another planet that seeded
  • 00:20:20.090 --> 00:20:22.230
  • that planet with life so those aliens could come to Earth
  • 00:20:22.230 --> 00:20:25.140
  • - Right.
  • 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:26.290
  • - And if you asked him where those aliens comes from
  • 00:20:26.290 --> 00:20:28.130
  • it probably had to be another planet with aliens.
  • 00:20:28.130 --> 00:20:29.230
  • - Got it.
  • 00:20:29.230 --> 00:20:31.080
  • - So he'd believe in eternal aliens but he doesn't want
  • 00:20:31.080 --> 00:20:32.150
  • to believe in eternal God
  • 00:20:32.150 --> 00:20:33.240
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:34.220
  • - And the point is you find
  • 00:20:34.220 --> 00:20:36.060
  • that with people like Richard Dawkins, Bill Nye,
  • 00:20:36.060 --> 00:20:38.130
  • life evolved elsewhere and came to Earth, it came from Mars.
  • 00:20:38.130 --> 00:20:42.160
  • He'll believe in martians
  • 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:43.290
  • but just say no I believe what the Bible says,
  • 00:20:43.290 --> 00:20:45.280
  • that God created Adam and Eve
  • 00:20:45.280 --> 00:20:47.190
  • and he'll say that's absolutely crazy.
  • 00:20:47.190 --> 00:20:49.110
  • But they'll call it science and intelligence to believe
  • 00:20:49.110 --> 00:20:53.050
  • that life came from another planet.
  • 00:20:53.050 --> 00:20:55.270
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:20:55.270 --> 00:20:57.040
  • - But all they're doing is pushing the problem
  • 00:20:57.040 --> 00:20:59.070
  • to another planet
  • 00:20:59.070 --> 00:21:00.120
  • - Got it.
  • 00:21:00.120 --> 00:21:01.100
  • - And you keep pushing it back.
  • 00:21:01.100 --> 00:21:02.260
  • I mean how do you explain where matter came from.
  • 00:21:02.260 --> 00:21:06.020
  • How did matter actually form life by natural processes,
  • 00:21:06.020 --> 00:21:09.290
  • they have no answers to that
  • 00:21:09.290 --> 00:21:11.120
  • but they'll believe anything
  • 00:21:11.120 --> 00:21:13.100
  • but to believe that God created
  • 00:21:13.100 --> 00:21:15.230
  • and the reason I believe is this because if Bill Nye was
  • 00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:20.150
  • to believe that God created him it means God owns him.
  • 00:21:20.150 --> 00:21:23.250
  • - [Matt] Mmm.
  • 00:21:23.250 --> 00:21:25.110
  • - And it means God has a right to set the rules and we need
  • 00:21:25.110 --> 00:21:28.130
  • to be submissive to the one who created us and owns us.
  • 00:21:28.130 --> 00:21:32.090
  • (audience clapping)
  • 00:21:32.090 --> 00:21:33.140
  • - [Matt] Wow, beautiful.
  • 00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:34.110
  • Okay, we're with Dr. Ken Ham
  • 00:21:36.070 --> 00:21:40.120
  • and we're gonna be with him
  • 00:21:40.120 --> 00:21:42.140
  • all night we're walking through this.
  • 00:21:42.140 --> 00:21:44.030
  • I got to see this amazing kind of,
  • 00:21:44.030 --> 00:21:47.200
  • it's a very long thing that you did.
  • 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:50.050
  • We're taking little tiny little clips out of it.
  • 00:21:50.050 --> 00:21:52.210
  • - [Ken] It was two hours actually.
  • 00:21:52.210 --> 00:21:53.280
  • - Yeah it was a couple hours and so I wanna get
  • 00:21:53.280 --> 00:21:56.220
  • to another clip and we're calling this
  • 00:21:56.220 --> 00:22:00.110
  • What Happens When We Die?
  • 00:22:00.110 --> 00:22:02.240
  • I wanna get where that discussion is heading
  • 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:05.060
  • but watch this clip with Ken Ham, Bill Nye, watch.
  • 00:22:05.060 --> 00:22:09.100
  • - I still wanna know when we're all done,
  • 00:22:10.280 --> 00:22:13.080
  • everyone's done here why will our conversation even matter?
  • 00:22:13.080 --> 00:22:17.210
  • - If we can empower a generation of young people
  • 00:22:19.150 --> 00:22:23.250
  • - Uh huh.
  • 00:22:23.250 --> 00:22:24.290
  • - To make scientific discoveries,
  • 00:22:24.290 --> 00:22:26.200
  • to provide clean water, reliable electricity and access
  • 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:29.200
  • to world wide information to everyone in the world,
  • 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.230
  • that would be a very good thing.
  • 00:22:31.230 --> 00:22:33.210
  • - But then they die and they're all done
  • 00:22:33.210 --> 00:22:35.060
  • so why did it matter for them?
  • 00:22:35.060 --> 00:22:36.200
  • - Because they will pass their genes on,
  • 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:38.190
  • it becomes some new thing.
  • 00:22:38.190 --> 00:22:40.030
  • - But if when you die you don't even remember you were here
  • 00:22:40.030 --> 00:22:42.200
  • because you know nothing.
  • 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:44.200
  • What's the purpose of living now anyway?
  • 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.220
  • - See, so this is the difference between him
  • 00:22:46.220 --> 00:22:48.200
  • and me, I find it extraordinary and amazing that I get
  • 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:53.150
  • to live right now at this time in the cosmos and be part
  • 00:22:53.150 --> 00:22:56.260
  • of this amazing system we call the universe.
  • 00:22:56.260 --> 00:23:01.110
  • - Guess what, I do too.
  • 00:23:01.110 --> 00:23:02.240
  • I find it extraordinary and I know
  • 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:05.080
  • that the reason I'm here is because God created people.
  • 00:23:05.080 --> 00:23:08.190
  • - I have another fun little question for you.
  • 00:23:08.190 --> 00:23:10.190
  • - No, no, no.
  • 00:23:10.190 --> 00:23:12.050
  • - Hang on, let's just relate, Noah's Ark was old testament.
  • 00:23:12.050 --> 00:23:14.170
  • - Listen to me and tell me why is so extraordinary?
  • 00:23:14.170 --> 00:23:17.110
  • Because as the Bible says it's so evident that there's God.
  • 00:23:17.110 --> 00:23:22.100
  • I mean you look at DNA, a language system,
  • 00:23:22.100 --> 00:23:24.110
  • an information system, we never see evidence
  • 00:23:24.110 --> 00:23:26.240
  • that came about by natural processes.
  • 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.190
  • - Well, I claim we do, so we disagree.
  • 00:23:28.190 --> 00:23:30.080
  • - Can you give me an example?
  • 00:23:30.080 --> 00:23:31.040
  • - Example of what?
  • 00:23:31.040 --> 00:23:32.190
  • - Matter producing information, there's billions
  • 00:23:32.190 --> 00:23:34.130
  • of bits, zillions of bits of information on this Earth.
  • 00:23:34.130 --> 00:23:36.180
  • Can you give me an example of--
  • 00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:39.050
  • - Well her, she's a good example.
  • 00:23:39.050 --> 00:23:40.200
  • - She's here but how did the information arise from matter?
  • 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:44.100
  • - We don't know.
  • 00:23:44.100 --> 00:23:45.230
  • - So where does that conversation end up then?
  • 00:23:45.230 --> 00:23:48.140
  • That line of questioning.
  • 00:23:48.140 --> 00:23:50.110
  • - Well, there are a couple of things.
  • 00:23:50.110 --> 00:23:52.280
  • He started off by actually saying when you die you're done
  • 00:23:52.280 --> 00:23:56.070
  • 'cause I said to him what happens when you die.
  • 00:23:56.070 --> 00:23:57.260
  • He says you're done.
  • 00:23:57.260 --> 00:23:59.050
  • And so I then kept pursuing this, well
  • 00:23:59.050 --> 00:24:00.290
  • if when you die you're done,
  • 00:24:00.290 --> 00:24:02.120
  • then why do you even bother fighting with us
  • 00:24:02.120 --> 00:24:06.170
  • or what is life all about, has no other meaning
  • 00:24:06.170 --> 00:24:09.090
  • or purpose and what he was saying is
  • 00:24:09.090 --> 00:24:10.230
  • it has this great purpose for me while I'm here
  • 00:24:10.230 --> 00:24:13.240
  • but you die and you're done
  • 00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:15.080
  • you won't even remember you were here from your perspective.
  • 00:24:15.080 --> 00:24:17.170
  • What's the point of it all anyway?
  • 00:24:17.170 --> 00:24:18.230
  • - [Matt] Right.
  • 00:24:18.230 --> 00:24:20.070
  • - And he had no argument, answer to that, my point there was
  • 00:24:20.070 --> 00:24:22.230
  • too, when you look at all the young people
  • 00:24:22.230 --> 00:24:24.080
  • that were following us around was I want you to understand
  • 00:24:24.080 --> 00:24:26.240
  • that people like Bill Nye, Richard Dawkins,
  • 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.210
  • these Atheistic evolutionists,
  • 00:24:29.210 --> 00:24:31.060
  • they have no ultimate purpose, meaning in life.
  • 00:24:31.060 --> 00:24:33.210
  • Life is meaningless, life is purposeless,
  • 00:24:33.210 --> 00:24:35.100
  • when you die you won't even know you were ever here
  • 00:24:35.100 --> 00:24:37.130
  • and that's really one of the main reasons
  • 00:24:37.130 --> 00:24:41.100
  • that were seeing such a sense
  • 00:24:41.100 --> 00:24:43.080
  • of purposelessness through the younger generations
  • 00:24:43.080 --> 00:24:46.080
  • and saying well why you wanna turn to drugs and sex
  • 00:24:46.080 --> 00:24:49.270
  • and suicide and let's get it over
  • 00:24:49.270 --> 00:24:52.210
  • and done with now we won't even remember we were here
  • 00:24:52.210 --> 00:24:54.210
  • so why not and then the other point that I was saying
  • 00:24:54.210 --> 00:24:58.060
  • to him was, look if you believe
  • 00:24:58.060 --> 00:25:00.220
  • that life arose by natural processes, show me,
  • 00:25:00.220 --> 00:25:04.070
  • what's the evidence?
  • 00:25:04.070 --> 00:25:05.190
  • And he finally admitted, well we don't know.
  • 00:25:05.190 --> 00:25:09.020
  • How did inanimate matter become life,
  • 00:25:09.020 --> 00:25:14.010
  • how did matter become live because it's not just a matter
  • 00:25:15.130 --> 00:25:17.150
  • of saying, 'cause the textbooks in the public schools
  • 00:25:17.150 --> 00:25:19.280
  • will say millions
  • 00:25:19.280 --> 00:25:21.050
  • of years ago matter formed the first life,
  • 00:25:21.050 --> 00:25:23.260
  • wait a minute stop for a moment, life is built on DNA.
  • 00:25:23.260 --> 00:25:27.210
  • DNA is a complex information system and a language system.
  • 00:25:27.210 --> 00:25:31.150
  • Information only comes from information,
  • 00:25:31.150 --> 00:25:33.240
  • languages only comes from intelligence.
  • 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.050
  • How did matter produce information,
  • 00:25:36.050 --> 00:25:38.070
  • how did matter produce a language system?
  • 00:25:38.070 --> 00:25:41.030
  • They have no idea, it couldn't happen.
  • 00:25:41.030 --> 00:25:43.030
  • It's the first verse of the Bible
  • 00:25:43.030 --> 00:25:45.010
  • that explains it in the beginning God created.
  • 00:25:45.010 --> 00:25:47.220
  • That's why Romans one says if you don't believe in God
  • 00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:51.050
  • as creator you are without excuse 'cause it is
  • 00:25:51.050 --> 00:25:54.110
  • so obvious God has made it evident to all.
  • 00:25:54.110 --> 00:25:57.060
  • He's made it evident to Bill Nye
  • 00:25:57.060 --> 00:25:58.290
  • and what Bill Nye was really doing
  • 00:25:58.290 --> 00:26:00.210
  • was saying I know I got no evidence for it
  • 00:26:00.210 --> 00:26:02.290
  • and I know I have no purpose and meaning ultimately in life.
  • 00:26:02.290 --> 00:26:07.040
  • But hey kids believe me, believe in evolution,
  • 00:26:07.040 --> 00:26:10.220
  • don't believe in God.
  • 00:26:10.220 --> 00:26:12.000
  • - Is there one specific death nail,
  • 00:26:13.060 --> 00:26:18.060
  • maybe besides the one you just said
  • 00:26:19.110 --> 00:26:20.190
  • that DNA is the building block of everything
  • 00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:25.190
  • and how did we get a complex system first, I guess is.
  • 00:26:25.190 --> 00:26:28.040
  • Is there another stake in the heart of evolution
  • 00:26:28.040 --> 00:26:33.020
  • that you like to go to, since we're on that right now?
  • 00:26:34.190 --> 00:26:38.120
  • - Well it's really what we're talking about before,
  • 00:26:38.120 --> 00:26:40.070
  • in regards to the kinds
  • 00:26:40.070 --> 00:26:42.020
  • because you see the Bible says God created kinds
  • 00:26:42.020 --> 00:26:46.110
  • after their kinds the implication is
  • 00:26:46.110 --> 00:26:48.240
  • each kind produces it's own kind.
  • 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:50.190
  • For instance dogs would produce dogs,
  • 00:26:50.190 --> 00:26:53.040
  • let me do a little test here, okay.
  • 00:26:53.040 --> 00:26:54.210
  • - [Matt] Okay.
  • 00:26:54.210 --> 00:26:56.040
  • - Elephants would produce-- - I don't like tests.
  • 00:26:56.040 --> 00:26:57.180
  • - You said there would be no tests.
  • 00:26:57.180 --> 00:26:58.290
  • (audience laughing)
  • 00:26:58.290 --> 00:27:00.180
  • - Elephants would produce?
  • 00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:02.070
  • - [Matt] Elephants.
  • 00:27:02.070 --> 00:27:03.130
  • - You passed, cats would produce?
  • 00:27:03.130 --> 00:27:05.080
  • - Cats.
  • 00:27:05.080 --> 00:27:06.120
  • - See that's amazing, it really is,
  • 00:27:06.120 --> 00:27:08.170
  • we've only been together a little while
  • 00:27:08.170 --> 00:27:11.090
  • and your getting this.
  • 00:27:11.090 --> 00:27:12.190
  • - [Cody] Yeah, I got it.
  • 00:27:12.190 --> 00:27:13.250
  • - But see, you look around the world today.
  • 00:27:13.250 --> 00:27:15.260
  • We can go and say these are part
  • 00:27:15.260 --> 00:27:18.100
  • of the giraffe group, these are part
  • 00:27:18.100 --> 00:27:21.120
  • of the elephants, you got mastodons
  • 00:27:21.120 --> 00:27:22.260
  • and you've had mammoths and you got Indian elephants
  • 00:27:22.260 --> 00:27:26.010
  • and Africa elephants, they're all part
  • 00:27:26.010 --> 00:27:27.090
  • of the elephant group and so on.
  • 00:27:27.090 --> 00:27:28.240
  • You can look at the kinds, you can see them,
  • 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.070
  • where's the evidence for evolution
  • 00:27:30.070 --> 00:27:32.010
  • but in the public school textbooks
  • 00:27:32.010 --> 00:27:34.000
  • and university secular textbooks
  • 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.150
  • they'll say we see different species forming.
  • 00:27:36.150 --> 00:27:40.100
  • Speciation is evolution but what I'm saying is no it is not
  • 00:27:40.100 --> 00:27:45.100
  • and never can be.
  • 00:27:47.030 --> 00:27:48.040
  • - [Matt] Got it.
  • 00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:48.290
  • - Wait, is it possible
  • 00:27:48.290 --> 00:27:50.140
  • that there was an evolutionary process from the animals
  • 00:27:50.140 --> 00:27:54.280
  • that came off the Ark?
  • 00:27:54.280 --> 00:27:56.120
  • After the flood.
  • 00:27:56.120 --> 00:27:57.090
  • - Not in the molecule to man's sense.
  • 00:27:58.120 --> 00:28:01.110
  • See people will have heard the terms macro evolution
  • 00:28:01.110 --> 00:28:04.190
  • and micro evolution, I don't personally like to use them
  • 00:28:04.190 --> 00:28:08.010
  • because when most people hear the word evolution
  • 00:28:08.010 --> 00:28:12.200
  • they're thinking in terms of molecules
  • 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.250
  • to man, ape like creatures to people
  • 00:28:14.250 --> 00:28:16.170
  • but people have used the term macro evolution
  • 00:28:16.170 --> 00:28:20.150
  • to mean reptiles turn into birds.
  • 00:28:20.150 --> 00:28:23.160
  • Is there any evidence of macro evolution, absolutely not.
  • 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:28.060
  • Then there's the term that I'll use called micro evolution.
  • 00:28:28.060 --> 00:28:31.080
  • When they look at speciation, well
  • 00:28:31.080 --> 00:28:34.130
  • that is not evolution in the molecules to man sense.
  • 00:28:34.130 --> 00:28:38.130
  • See when two dogs come off the Ark
  • 00:28:38.130 --> 00:28:40.080
  • and then produce more dogs and they produce more dogs
  • 00:28:40.080 --> 00:28:44.110
  • and you end up with lots
  • 00:28:44.110 --> 00:28:45.160
  • of dogs, okay it's pretty scientific stuff.
  • 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.260
  • So we get lots of dogs but as they move away from each other
  • 00:28:47.260 --> 00:28:51.240
  • because of all the genetic information
  • 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.040
  • already in their genes that God created there.
  • 00:28:54.040 --> 00:28:56.210
  • See think about it this way, when God created all the kinds
  • 00:28:56.210 --> 00:28:59.150
  • of animals and plants he created pools
  • 00:28:59.150 --> 00:29:01.270
  • of genetic information for each kind and then
  • 00:29:01.270 --> 00:29:05.150
  • when that pool goes on the Ark, two dogs go on the Ark
  • 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.010
  • and that pool of genetic information comes off the Ark
  • 00:29:10.010 --> 00:29:12.210
  • that enables them to reproduce and have the offspring
  • 00:29:14.020 --> 00:29:19.000
  • that looks a little different to them.
  • 00:29:20.060 --> 00:29:21.190
  • You look a little different to your father.
  • 00:29:21.190 --> 00:29:22.120
  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:29:22.120 --> 00:29:23.200
  • - You might think that's a good thing
  • 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:25.060
  • but you do look a little different to your father.
  • 00:29:25.060 --> 00:29:26.170
  • - That's a joke, obviously. - That's a joke.
  • 00:29:26.170 --> 00:29:28.000
  • - Yeah that was funny.
  • 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.170
  • - But the information
  • 00:29:29.170 --> 00:29:32.050
  • that built you Cody came from your mum and your dad
  • 00:29:32.050 --> 00:29:34.210
  • and so you can see similarities
  • 00:29:34.210 --> 00:29:37.050
  • but you are different,
  • 00:29:37.050 --> 00:29:38.170
  • you have the unique combination of information,
  • 00:29:38.170 --> 00:29:40.260
  • which by the way you have right at fertilization.
  • 00:29:40.260 --> 00:29:43.230
  • - [Matt] Right.
  • 00:29:43.230 --> 00:29:44.290
  • - Which means you're 100% human being
  • 00:29:44.290 --> 00:29:47.080
  • right from fertilization,
  • 00:29:47.080 --> 00:29:48.220
  • which actually talks about the abortion issue.
  • 00:29:48.220 --> 00:29:51.150
  • (audience clapping)
  • 00:29:51.150 --> 00:29:52.130
  • - [Matt] Yeah, right.
  • 00:29:52.130 --> 00:29:53.160
  • - We're talking about speciation
  • 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:54.240
  • and I get we're talking about abortion issue,
  • 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.220
  • so abortion is killing a human being.
  • 00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:58.150
  • So there's so much information
  • 00:29:58.150 --> 00:30:00.280
  • in our genes, so much information.
  • 00:30:00.280 --> 00:30:03.070
  • I mean you can have zillions and zillions and zillions
  • 00:30:03.070 --> 00:30:06.010
  • of combinations, literally zillions, from just two dogs
  • 00:30:06.010 --> 00:30:09.190
  • but over time as they move away from each other
  • 00:30:09.190 --> 00:30:11.280
  • some combinations survive better then others
  • 00:30:11.280 --> 00:30:14.250
  • and eventually you'll get a certain combination
  • 00:30:14.250 --> 00:30:18.190
  • of information over here and over here and it all goes back
  • 00:30:18.190 --> 00:30:21.160
  • to the original dog kind but you have different species
  • 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.220
  • but they're all related, they're all the one kind.
  • 00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:27.220
  • - Can I jump in and just ask, let me make sure I get
  • 00:30:27.220 --> 00:30:31.010
  • what you're saying.
  • 00:30:31.010 --> 00:30:31.260
  • - Okay.
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  • - What I think you're saying is
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  • that when the Bible talks about kinds
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  • of animals there can be an evolutionary process inside
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  • of a kind of animals.
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  • A bird's feathers could take a different shape eventually
  • 00:30:45.280 --> 00:30:50.280
  • but a bird's never gonna be a dog
  • 00:30:53.130 --> 00:30:55.150
  • and a cat never gonna be some other kind
  • 00:30:55.150 --> 00:30:59.000
  • but there can be variations or evolutionary processes
  • 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.280
  • in a kind of animals, is that what you're saying?
  • 00:31:01.280 --> 00:31:04.050
  • - Well there certainly great variation within a kind.
  • 00:31:04.050 --> 00:31:07.080
  • You can get lots of different species within a kind
  • 00:31:07.080 --> 00:31:09.230
  • like turkey and hen, your galliformes
  • 00:31:09.230 --> 00:31:14.070
  • including your pheasants they're all the same kind actually.
  • 00:31:14.070 --> 00:31:17.050
  • Sheep and goats are the same kind.
  • 00:31:17.050 --> 00:31:19.220
  • - [Matt] Okay.
  • 00:31:19.220 --> 00:31:21.090
  • - Okay alpacas, llamas, one hump camels, two hump camels
  • 00:31:21.090 --> 00:31:24.080
  • are the same kind, you get the idea?
  • 00:31:24.080 --> 00:31:26.040
  • So you can have great variation within a kind
  • 00:31:26.040 --> 00:31:28.150
  • but then there are limits and the changes
  • 00:31:28.150 --> 00:31:31.240
  • that you can see happening are all based
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  • on the genetic information that's already there.
  • 00:31:34.040 --> 00:31:36.190
  • - [Matt] That's already there.
  • 00:31:36.190 --> 00:31:37.260
  • - You see, what students don't understand
  • 00:31:37.260 --> 00:31:40.170
  • in many of our public school classes
  • 00:31:40.170 --> 00:31:42.180
  • is the fact that the teachers will often say,
  • 00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:46.070
  • "Oh, we have the species that has something new."
  • 00:31:46.070 --> 00:31:49.130
  • It might be long hair or short hair,
  • 00:31:49.130 --> 00:31:51.100
  • something new sounds like evolution.
  • 00:31:51.100 --> 00:31:53.260
  • But what's new is the combination of information
  • 00:31:53.260 --> 00:31:57.040
  • that was already there, the combination
  • 00:31:57.040 --> 00:31:58.260
  • to give short hair or long hair,
  • 00:31:58.260 --> 00:32:00.100
  • the information that was already there.
  • 00:32:00.100 --> 00:32:02.020
  • No new information is produced.
  • 00:32:02.020 --> 00:32:04.060
  • By the way, something similar
  • 00:32:04.060 --> 00:32:05.180
  • really occurred in the humankind.
  • 00:32:05.180 --> 00:32:08.010
  • You think about it, you got the Australian aborigines
  • 00:32:08.010 --> 00:32:10.110
  • and the American Indians and you got
  • 00:32:10.110 --> 00:32:12.110
  • the Ageans and the Winans.
  • 00:32:12.110 --> 00:32:13.160
  • You could look around and say,
  • 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.040
  • "That particular group of people
  • 00:32:15.040 --> 00:32:17.020
  • "belong to the Australian aborigines."
  • 00:32:17.020 --> 00:32:18.220
  • And yet we're all human beings.
  • 00:32:18.220 --> 00:32:21.210
  • How could that be?
  • 00:32:21.210 --> 00:32:23.060
  • Think about the event in the Bible, the Tower of Babel,
  • 00:32:23.060 --> 00:32:25.100
  • Babel, I don't know what you say.
  • 00:32:25.100 --> 00:32:27.200
  • - [Matt] Babel.
  • 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.030
  • - Babel, yeah, Tower of Babel is the correct English.
  • 00:32:29.030 --> 00:32:31.060
  • God gave different languages because
  • 00:32:31.060 --> 00:32:35.010
  • they were rebelling against him.
  • 00:32:35.010 --> 00:32:37.060
  • And in Genesis 10 we have the table of nations
  • 00:32:37.060 --> 00:32:40.010
  • and it says families moved away from each other then
  • 00:32:40.010 --> 00:32:42.170
  • according to their languages.
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  • What's gonna happen, you're gonna split up
  • 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.060
  • the human gene pool
  • 00:32:45.060 --> 00:32:47.010
  • and you're gonna end up with, depending on who marries who,
  • 00:32:47.010 --> 00:32:50.070
  • who dies, whatever, you're gonna end up
  • 00:32:50.070 --> 00:32:52.220
  • with distinguishing characteristics
  • 00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:54.130
  • from these isolated groups.
  • 00:32:54.130 --> 00:32:55.230
  • - [Matt] Sure.
  • 00:32:55.230 --> 00:32:57.010
  • - And Darwin called them races.
  • 00:32:57.010 --> 00:32:59.080
  • But they're not races, we all go back to Adam and Eve.
  • 00:32:59.080 --> 00:33:02.160
  • There's only one race, and by the way,
  • 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.190
  • the Bible has the answer to the issue of racism.
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  • We're all one race, actually, did you know
  • 00:33:07.050 --> 00:33:09.060
  • we're all the same skin color?
  • 00:33:09.060 --> 00:33:10.110
  • See, there's a pigment called melanin.
  • 00:33:10.110 --> 00:33:13.010
  • Melanin is a brown pigment, it's the main pigment
  • 00:33:13.010 --> 00:33:16.160
  • we have in our skin, it's produced
  • 00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:18.050
  • in your epidermis here in the top layer of your skin.
  • 00:33:18.050 --> 00:33:23.050
  • And there's these little cells that have, like,
  • 00:33:25.170 --> 00:33:28.220
  • little tentacles, it's like an upside-down umbrella.
  • 00:33:28.220 --> 00:33:30.230
  • And they're called melanin sites.
  • 00:33:30.230 --> 00:33:33.170
  • And they have little organelles in them called melanosomes
  • 00:33:33.170 --> 00:33:35.280
  • that produce packages of melanin.
  • 00:33:35.280 --> 00:33:37.270
  • And that migrates to the surface of your skin.
  • 00:33:37.270 --> 00:33:39.220
  • So if you have genes for a lot of melanin
  • 00:33:39.220 --> 00:33:42.180
  • you'll have very dark skin.
  • 00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:43.260
  • If you have genes for a little bit of melanin
  • 00:33:43.260 --> 00:33:46.060
  • you'll have very light skin.
  • 00:33:46.060 --> 00:33:47.260
  • Actually there's no black, there's no white.
  • 00:33:47.260 --> 00:33:49.210
  • Think about it, see that white sheet of paper?
  • 00:33:49.210 --> 00:33:51.270
  • Could I have that for a moment?
  • 00:33:51.270 --> 00:33:53.220
  • See this white sheet of paper here?
  • 00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:55.030
  • See, people say I'm white.
  • 00:33:55.030 --> 00:33:56.190
  • Well here's my experiment to show you I'm not white.
  • 00:33:56.190 --> 00:33:59.130
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:33:59.130 --> 00:34:00.100
  • - Okay, if I was white
  • 00:34:00.100 --> 00:34:01.050
  • you'd be calling 911.
  • 00:34:02.040 --> 00:34:04.070
  • - Yeah, exactly.
  • 00:34:06.070 --> 00:34:07.200
  • - So but, we could do the same
  • 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.180
  • with someone you say is black.
  • 00:34:09.180 --> 00:34:11.020
  • If we brought them up on stage and said,
  • 00:34:11.020 --> 00:34:12.240
  • "You're a black person," no, when you put black beside them
  • 00:34:12.240 --> 00:34:15.130
  • you realize you're just very dark brown.
  • 00:34:15.130 --> 00:34:17.190
  • And that's just a variation
  • 00:34:17.190 --> 00:34:20.060
  • because of our genes as to how much of the pigment you have.
  • 00:34:20.060 --> 00:34:24.180
  • So it's not what color you are,
  • 00:34:24.180 --> 00:34:25.160
  • it's what skin shade you are.
  • 00:34:25.160 --> 00:34:27.110
  • But the point I'm saying is those sorts of differences
  • 00:34:27.110 --> 00:34:30.020
  • are because of the genetic information
  • 00:34:30.020 --> 00:34:33.050
  • that God put in the original humankind,
  • 00:34:33.050 --> 00:34:35.080
  • Noah and his family carried on the ark,
  • 00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:37.250
  • and then as they had children, they had children,
  • 00:34:37.250 --> 00:34:39.200
  • then the Tower of Babel,
  • 00:34:39.200 --> 00:34:40.290
  • you get different people groups
  • 00:34:40.290 --> 00:34:42.110
  • developing different cultures.
  • 00:34:42.110 --> 00:34:44.010
  • Well with animals, you end up
  • 00:34:44.010 --> 00:34:46.010
  • with actually different species,
  • 00:34:46.010 --> 00:34:47.140
  • they call them different species,
  • 00:34:47.140 --> 00:34:49.100
  • but different species of dogs are still all dogs.
  • 00:34:49.100 --> 00:34:51.070
  • Everything the one kind of dog.
  • 00:34:51.070 --> 00:34:53.190
  • With humans, we're even classed as all one species.
  • 00:34:53.190 --> 00:34:55.290
  • There's not any different species.
  • 00:34:55.290 --> 00:34:57.190
  • - So a few minutes ago when I made that statement
  • 00:34:57.190 --> 00:34:59.250
  • was I technically right or wrong?
  • 00:34:59.250 --> 00:35:01.280
  • You can have evolution inside of a kind.
  • 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:06.100
  • - Well if you define evolution as meaning just change.
  • 00:35:06.100 --> 00:35:10.030
  • - [Matt] Okay.
  • 00:35:10.030 --> 00:35:11.040
  • - Or an unfolding.
  • 00:35:11.040 --> 00:35:12.120
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:35:12.120 --> 00:35:13.270
  • - The problem that I would say with saying it that way
  • 00:35:13.270 --> 00:35:16.050
  • is that when most people hear evolution,
  • 00:35:16.050 --> 00:35:19.060
  • they're thinking of Darwin.
  • 00:35:19.060 --> 00:35:20.140
  • - They're thinking of something else.
  • 00:35:20.140 --> 00:35:21.280
  • - Yeah, so that's why I don't like to use that term.
  • 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.200
  • I mean, if you look up the definition of the word evolution,
  • 00:35:23.200 --> 00:35:25.120
  • it means an unfolding, in other words, a change.
  • 00:35:25.120 --> 00:35:28.090
  • And in a sense there's an unfolding if you like
  • 00:35:28.090 --> 00:35:30.130
  • of the genetic information that's already there.
  • 00:35:30.130 --> 00:35:32.160
  • But it's not evolution in the Darwinian sense at all.
  • 00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:35.250
  • That's why I prefer not to use the term evolution.
  • 00:35:35.250 --> 00:35:38.060
  • But I understand what you're saying.
  • 00:35:38.060 --> 00:35:39.100
  • - Okay, I'll never use it again.
  • 00:35:39.100 --> 00:35:41.020
  • Here we go.
  • 00:35:41.020 --> 00:35:43.010
  • We have Bill Nye at the Ark Encounter, okay?
  • 00:35:43.010 --> 00:35:48.000
  • So can, we labeled this Humans Versus Apes.
  • 00:35:49.040 --> 00:35:53.050
  • And we're gonna watch this clip and have you comment on it.
  • 00:35:54.170 --> 00:35:56.240
  • Watch this.
  • 00:35:56.240 --> 00:35:57.180
  • - So how in history did an ape-like ancestor
  • 00:35:58.220 --> 00:36:01.170
  • give rise to humans?
  • 00:36:01.170 --> 00:36:02.280
  • Where did we become humans?
  • 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.160
  • - Welcome to our world, we struggle
  • 00:36:04.160 --> 00:36:06.080
  • with the question all the time.
  • 00:36:06.080 --> 00:36:07.220
  • 100.000 years ago, 150.000 years ago, a million years ago.
  • 00:36:07.220 --> 00:36:12.200
  • A million and a half, 75.000 years.
  • 00:36:12.200 --> 00:36:14.270
  • - So if we become human,
  • 00:36:14.270 --> 00:36:16.080
  • are we different to the animals?
  • 00:36:16.080 --> 00:36:17.290
  • - Yes, you can run this test, too.
  • 00:36:17.290 --> 00:36:20.030
  • - Yeah, so we're different?
  • 00:36:20.030 --> 00:36:22.010
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:36:22.010 --> 00:36:23.070
  • - So is it possible that humans were created
  • 00:36:23.070 --> 00:36:24.240
  • separately by God and we didn't evolve from--
  • 00:36:24.240 --> 00:36:27.020
  • - I see no evidence for it.
  • 00:36:27.020 --> 00:36:28.110
  • There's no evidence for it.
  • 00:36:28.110 --> 00:36:30.210
  • - So you don't know when we evolved from--
  • 00:36:30.210 --> 00:36:33.020
  • - We've worked very hard to try to figure it out.
  • 00:36:33.020 --> 00:36:35.050
  • - Okay, so you're assuming we did evolve
  • 00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:36.270
  • from some ape-like ancestor?
  • 00:36:36.270 --> 00:36:38.090
  • - Absolutely, the evidence is overwhelming.
  • 00:36:38.090 --> 00:36:40.080
  • - What evidence?
  • 00:36:40.080 --> 00:36:41.140
  • - The evidence that there's so many animals,
  • 00:36:41.140 --> 00:36:44.070
  • remains of animals that are almost human, not quite.
  • 00:36:44.070 --> 00:36:49.020
  • So many remains of animals that are almost primates.
  • 00:36:49.020 --> 00:36:53.290
  • It's a spectrum, a transition.
  • 00:36:53.290 --> 00:36:56.020
  • It's fantastic.
  • 00:36:56.020 --> 00:36:57.250
  • - Dr. Ham, your comment on that line of questioning.
  • 00:36:57.250 --> 00:37:01.010
  • - What I was attempting to get across to Bill Nye
  • 00:37:01.010 --> 00:37:04.130
  • was that humans are unique,
  • 00:37:04.130 --> 00:37:07.000
  • we're different than the animals.
  • 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.240
  • In fact, the Bible says that God made man in his own image.
  • 00:37:08.240 --> 00:37:13.000
  • It doesn't say that of the animals.
  • 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.240
  • - [Matt] Right.
  • 00:37:14.240 --> 00:37:16.020
  • - It says let the earth bring forth the animals.
  • 00:37:16.020 --> 00:37:17.170
  • But of man he said, "Let us make man in our image."
  • 00:37:17.170 --> 00:37:21.050
  • I had an atheist once, and Bill Nye is basically an atheist,
  • 00:37:21.050 --> 00:37:23.230
  • I had an atheist once who said to me,
  • 00:37:23.230 --> 00:37:25.270
  • "Well, what does it mean that man is made in God's image?"
  • 00:37:25.270 --> 00:37:29.000
  • And I quickly had to answer him
  • 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.110
  • because I was on a radio program.
  • 00:37:31.110 --> 00:37:32.180
  • You got about 30 seconds to answer.
  • 00:37:32.180 --> 00:37:34.000
  • And I said, "Go down to the local zoo
  • 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:35.080
  • "and have a chat to the apes down there.
  • 00:37:35.080 --> 00:37:37.170
  • "And have a conversation with them
  • 00:37:37.170 --> 00:37:39.240
  • "and you will see what it means
  • 00:37:39.240 --> 00:37:41.240
  • "that man is made in God's image."
  • 00:37:41.240 --> 00:37:43.040
  • Because we're different than the animals.
  • 00:37:43.040 --> 00:37:44.100
  • So I wanted Bill Nye to acknowledge,
  • 00:37:44.100 --> 00:37:46.160
  • we are very different.
  • 00:37:46.160 --> 00:37:47.230
  • We are conscious beings, we know that we exist,
  • 00:37:47.230 --> 00:37:52.010
  • we can think abstractly, we have a complex language.
  • 00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:54.240
  • No animals have the ability
  • 00:37:54.240 --> 00:37:56.140
  • to have a language like humans do.
  • 00:37:56.140 --> 00:37:58.160
  • And the other thing that we're talking about
  • 00:37:58.160 --> 00:38:02.010
  • is where's the evidence that man evolved from animals?
  • 00:38:02.010 --> 00:38:04.090
  • Where's the evidence that man evolved
  • 00:38:04.090 --> 00:38:06.030
  • from ape-like creatures?
  • 00:38:06.030 --> 00:38:07.100
  • Well, he couldn't point to any today.
  • 00:38:07.100 --> 00:38:08.160
  • - [Matt] Right.
  • 00:38:08.160 --> 00:38:10.000
  • - Nothing because humans are humans and animals are animals.
  • 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.040
  • He couldn't point to anything today
  • 00:38:12.040 --> 00:38:13.190
  • to say, that's a transitional form or anything like that.
  • 00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:15.170
  • And so he said, "Oh, we've got these bones."
  • 00:38:15.170 --> 00:38:17.250
  • Well, we've done a lot of research on all these bones.
  • 00:38:17.250 --> 00:38:21.040
  • And basically the bottom line is
  • 00:38:21.040 --> 00:38:23.020
  • you'll find they're either apes or they're humans.
  • 00:38:23.020 --> 00:38:26.220
  • And here's what you'll find the evolutionists often do.
  • 00:38:26.220 --> 00:38:29.230
  • They'll take bones in a human
  • 00:38:29.230 --> 00:38:31.240
  • and they'll put flesh and hair on them
  • 00:38:31.240 --> 00:38:34.100
  • to make them sort of look ape-like.
  • 00:38:34.100 --> 00:38:36.010
  • And they'll take bones that are apes
  • 00:38:36.010 --> 00:38:38.070
  • and they'll put flesh and hair on them
  • 00:38:38.070 --> 00:38:40.110
  • and eyes in a particular way
  • 00:38:40.110 --> 00:38:42.190
  • to make them look human-like.
  • 00:38:42.190 --> 00:38:44.110
  • But you can tell an ape skull from a human skull.
  • 00:38:44.110 --> 00:38:47.020
  • It's very simple to do, it's very easy.
  • 00:38:47.020 --> 00:38:49.000
  • If we had them here before us
  • 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:50.020
  • you would see the difference.
  • 00:38:50.020 --> 00:38:51.030
  • It's very easy to tell.
  • 00:38:51.030 --> 00:38:52.220
  • And so we would say that, hey, when they're talking about
  • 00:38:52.220 --> 00:38:56.000
  • evidence that man evolved from ape-like creatures,
  • 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.040
  • we would say no, it's because Bill Nye already has a belief.
  • 00:38:59.040 --> 00:39:02.230
  • And he admitted that, his belief is man evolved.
  • 00:39:02.230 --> 00:39:05.130
  • Therefore he takes that belief
  • 00:39:05.130 --> 00:39:06.290
  • and he's imposing it on the evidence to try to say,
  • 00:39:06.290 --> 00:39:09.220
  • "Well, I believe these bones were you know,
  • 00:39:09.220 --> 00:39:13.070
  • "some ape-like creature becoming human."
  • 00:39:13.070 --> 00:39:15.240
  • Or something like that.
  • 00:39:15.240 --> 00:39:17.020
  • They used to in the past point to Neanderthals.
  • 00:39:17.020 --> 00:39:19.080
  • You probably heard of Neanderthal Man.
  • 00:39:19.080 --> 00:39:21.110
  • But Neanderthal Man was 100% human.
  • 00:39:21.110 --> 00:39:23.210
  • When they looked at Neanderthal DNA,
  • 00:39:23.210 --> 00:39:25.160
  • it's in the human range
  • 00:39:25.160 --> 00:39:27.080
  • for human variability in the genetic code.
  • 00:39:27.080 --> 00:39:29.290
  • And then Lucy, well, we have a model of Lucy
  • 00:39:29.290 --> 00:39:33.260
  • at the Creation Museum.
  • 00:39:33.260 --> 00:39:35.040
  • And Lucy is an ape, that's what Lucy is.
  • 00:39:35.040 --> 00:39:38.170
  • Lucy is not a human being.
  • 00:39:38.170 --> 00:39:41.260
  • So we would say there is no evidence
  • 00:39:41.260 --> 00:39:44.020
  • that man evolved from ape-like creatures.
  • 00:39:44.020 --> 00:39:46.050
  • - Okay, you and Bill Nye
  • 00:39:46.050 --> 00:39:47.260
  • have sparred on a number of occasions.
  • 00:39:47.260 --> 00:39:51.060
  • We have a clip from a debate that you accomplished
  • 00:39:51.060 --> 00:39:56.060
  • with him that was seen by tens of millions of people.
  • 00:39:57.190 --> 00:40:01.200
  • We have a clip from that.
  • 00:40:02.160 --> 00:40:03.240
  • And we kind of named this, Do You Believe
  • 00:40:03.240 --> 00:40:07.080
  • That Evolution Was Accomplished
  • 00:40:07.080 --> 00:40:09.070
  • Through Way of a Higher Power?
  • 00:40:09.070 --> 00:40:10.200
  • That's kind of the question that's being asked.
  • 00:40:10.200 --> 00:40:12.050
  • Watch this and I'm gonna get your comments.
  • 00:40:12.050 --> 00:40:13.180
  • This is from a different debate, watch this.
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  • - Have you ever believed
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  • that evolution was accomplished through way of,
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  • of a higher power?
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  • I think that's what they're trying to ask here.
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  • This is the intelligent design question I think.
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  • If so, why or why not?
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  • Why could not the evolutionary process
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  • be accomplished in this way?
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  • - The idea that there's a higher power
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  • that has drive the course of the events in the universe
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  • and our own existence is one
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  • that you cannot prove or disprove.
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  • And this gets into this expression agnostic,
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  • you can't know.
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  • I'll grant you that.
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  • When it comes to intelligent design, which is,
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  • if I understand, your interpretation of the question,
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  • intelligent design has a fundamental misunderstanding
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  • of the nature of nature.
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  • This is to say, the old expression is
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  • if you were to find a watch in the field
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  • and you pick it up, you would realize
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  • that it was created by somebody who was thinking ahead,
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  • somebody with an organization chart
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  • with somebody at the top and he'd order screws
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  • from screw manufacturers and springs
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  • from spring manufacturers
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  • and glass crystals from crystal manufacturers.
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  • But that's not how nature works.
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  • This is the fundamental insight
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  • in the explanation for living things
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  • that's provided by evolution.
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  • - What Bill Nye needs to do for me
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  • is to show me an example of something,
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  • some new function that arose
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  • that was not previously possible
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  • from the genetic information that was there.
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  • And I would claim and challenge you
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  • that there is no such example that you can give.
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  • That's why I brought up the example
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  • in my presentation of Lenski's experiments
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  • in regard to E. Coli.
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  • And there were some that seemed to develop
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  • the ability to exist on citrate.
  • 00:42:03.260 --> 00:42:05.260
  • But as Dr. Fabey just said, from looking at his research
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  • he's found that that information was already there.
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  • It's just a gene that switched on and off.
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  • There's no new function that can be added.
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  • Certainly, great variation within a kind
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  • and that's what we look at.
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  • But you'd have to show an example of brand new function
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  • that never previously was possible.
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  • There is no such example that you can give
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  • anywhere in the world.
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  • - Complete that like of questioning, complete your thought.
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  • - Well, it basically relates
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  • to what we were talking about earlier
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  • and that is that when you see speciation occurring,
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  • it's change within a kind
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  • based on the genetic information that's already there.
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  • - [Matt] Right.
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  • - What Bill Nye cannot explain, and he admitted
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  • in another quote that we had there,
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  • was that how you explain how matter produces information,
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  • how matter produces a language system.
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  • Because that's what DNA is.
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  • And if you're gonna change one kind to another
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  • you're gonna change reptiles into birds,
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  • reptiles don't have feathers and birds have feathers.
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  • And feathers are a totally different structure to a scale.
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  • They have a follicle and there's information in the genes
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  • of birds, complex information, to build a feather.
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  • How do you get matter produced brand new information
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  • to produce a structure that never was previously possible?
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  • It's impossible, it can't happen.
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  • And sort of to sum it up, I'll sum it up this way,
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  • many years ago in England,
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  • scientists were listening to outer space
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  • and they heard these little beeps from outer space.
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  • And they were ordered and regular beep, beep, beep, beep.
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  • And they facetiously named it LGM-1, you know why?
  • 00:43:45.260 --> 00:43:48.240
  • LGM stood for little green men.
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  • And the reason is, it was so ordered,
  • 00:43:51.020 --> 00:43:53.260
  • just these beeps going beep, beep, beep,
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  • that they saw that as possible evidence of intelligence.
  • 00:43:57.100 --> 00:44:00.170
  • And they found out it was actually
  • 00:44:00.170 --> 00:44:02.200
  • the first pulsar that they found, neutron star.
  • 00:44:02.200 --> 00:44:05.260
  • Now, think about this.
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  • Turn your telescopes into microscopes
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  • and you look down into the cell
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  • and you look at our DNA.
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  • DNA is the most complex information system,
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  • language system in the entire universe what we've seen.
  • 00:44:18.020 --> 00:44:22.190
  • And scientists will look at that and say,
  • 00:44:22.190 --> 00:44:25.060
  • "Chance, chance, chance."
  • 00:44:25.060 --> 00:44:27.040
  • And they hear little beeps from outer space.
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  • "There could be aliens out there, intelligence."
  • 00:44:28.250 --> 00:44:30.180
  • See, there's something very wrong with their logic.
  • 00:44:30.180 --> 00:44:33.170
  • - [Matt] Right.
  • 00:44:33.170 --> 00:44:34.240
  • - In other words, they'll do anything
  • 00:44:34.240 --> 00:44:36.120
  • but accept there's a God who created us.
  • 00:44:36.120 --> 00:44:39.110
  • And it's very obvious as people watch Bill Nye,
  • 00:44:39.110 --> 00:44:42.040
  • he didn't have the evidence matter could produce information
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  • or a language system.
  • 00:44:44.250 --> 00:44:46.080
  • He didn't have the evidence that that could happen
  • 00:44:46.080 --> 00:44:48.020
  • but he believed it by faith.
  • 00:44:48.020 --> 00:44:51.110
  • And it's a blind faith, neglects credulity.
  • 00:44:51.110 --> 00:44:55.140
  • Whereas Christians don't have a blind faith.
  • 00:44:55.140 --> 00:44:58.160
  • You see, science confirms information
  • 00:44:58.160 --> 00:45:01.140
  • and only comes from information.
  • 00:45:01.140 --> 00:45:03.110
  • Science confirms matter can never produce
  • 00:45:03.110 --> 00:45:05.170
  • information or a language system
  • 00:45:05.170 --> 00:45:07.000
  • and languages come from intelligence.
  • 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:08.200
  • I mean, you ask a computer programmer,
  • 00:45:08.200 --> 00:45:10.100
  • do they generate their programs by chance?
  • 00:45:10.100 --> 00:45:13.110
  • No, it takes a lot of intelligence.
  • 00:45:13.110 --> 00:45:14.260
  • And so you see, Christians have an objective faith,
  • 00:45:14.260 --> 00:45:17.280
  • it's a faith that makes sense of what we see
  • 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:20.000
  • and science confirms it.
  • 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.110
  • That's the exciting thing about being a Christian.
  • 00:45:22.110 --> 00:45:23.250
  • - Beautiful.
  • 00:45:23.250 --> 00:45:25.120
  • We're gonna go to a couple more clips
  • 00:45:25.120 --> 00:45:28.100
  • but I think you touched on,
  • 00:45:28.100 --> 00:45:30.220
  • you started to use the word faith.
  • 00:45:30.220 --> 00:45:33.190
  • We don't wanna sit on a program like this
  • 00:45:33.190 --> 00:45:36.170
  • and discuss the views of a secular scientist like Bill Nye
  • 00:45:36.170 --> 00:45:41.170
  • and the, you know, your views, Dr. Ham,
  • 00:45:42.220 --> 00:45:47.120
  • as a believer, without making the ultimate point
  • 00:45:48.240 --> 00:45:51.150
  • of tonight, which somebody would be able to have
  • 00:45:51.150 --> 00:45:55.140
  • a chance to know Jesus, who we're ultimately talking about
  • 00:45:55.140 --> 00:45:59.290
  • and his creation.
  • 00:45:59.290 --> 00:46:02.030
  • Look to the camera and just invite people,
  • 00:46:02.030 --> 00:46:03.260
  • which is the ultimate point of you being a guest tonight.
  • 00:46:03.260 --> 00:46:08.010
  • - Well you know, the Bible claims to be the word of God.
  • 00:46:08.010 --> 00:46:13.010
  • It claims over 3.000 times to be the word of God.
  • 00:46:14.130 --> 00:46:16.090
  • I can't as a human being, a fallible human being,
  • 00:46:16.090 --> 00:46:19.250
  • go and prove that to you.
  • 00:46:19.250 --> 00:46:21.240
  • But what I can do is this,
  • 00:46:21.240 --> 00:46:23.150
  • because to scientifically prove something
  • 00:46:23.150 --> 00:46:25.090
  • you have to have always been there
  • 00:46:25.090 --> 00:46:27.000
  • and know everything.
  • 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.170
  • The Bible tells us only the infinite creator, God,
  • 00:46:28.170 --> 00:46:31.250
  • has always been there and knows everything.
  • 00:46:31.250 --> 00:46:33.280
  • And that he had recorded for us what we need to know
  • 00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:37.000
  • about who we are, where we came from,
  • 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.290
  • what life is all about,
  • 00:46:38.290 --> 00:46:40.060
  • what our problem is and what the solution is.
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  • He tells us that we're all descendens of Adam and Eve.
  • 00:46:43.020 --> 00:46:46.100
  • And you know what?
  • 00:46:46.100 --> 00:46:47.250
  • The human genome project, when they mapped the human genome
  • 00:46:47.250 --> 00:46:50.020
  • in the year 2000 concluded there's only one race,
  • 00:46:50.020 --> 00:46:52.230
  • the human race, of course.
  • 00:46:52.230 --> 00:46:54.100
  • That's exactly what you'd expect
  • 00:46:54.100 --> 00:46:55.270
  • if the Bible was true.
  • 00:46:55.270 --> 00:46:57.170
  • The Bible tells us that man sinned
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  • and death came into the world.
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  • Why is there death in the world?
  • 00:47:01.190 --> 00:47:03.200
  • Bible says death is an enemy.
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  • Death is not the end because the Bible says
  • 00:47:05.200 --> 00:47:08.250
  • that we're made in the image of God.
  • 00:47:08.250 --> 00:47:10.050
  • No animal is made in the image of God.
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  • We have a soul that's gonna live forever.
  • 00:47:11.210 --> 00:47:13.120
  • Our bodies will die, but the Bible tells us
  • 00:47:13.120 --> 00:47:16.060
  • that the first man, Adam, rebelled against God
  • 00:47:16.060 --> 00:47:18.040
  • and sin came into the world
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  • and that we're all descendants of Adam
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  • so we're all sinners.
  • 00:47:21.080 --> 00:47:22.180
  • That's why we're all gonna die.
  • 00:47:22.180 --> 00:47:24.030
  • Every single person watching this program is gonna die.
  • 00:47:24.030 --> 00:47:27.230
  • Think about that, Bill Nye realized he was gonna die.
  • 00:47:27.230 --> 00:47:30.150
  • But the Bible says that death is not the end and it's not.
  • 00:47:30.150 --> 00:47:34.280
  • But as sinners, we can't go to live with a holy God.
  • 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:38.290
  • But you know what God did?
  • 00:47:38.290 --> 00:47:41.260
  • And he promised it back in the garden
  • 00:47:41.260 --> 00:47:43.170
  • when Adam and Eve sinned.
  • 00:47:43.170 --> 00:47:44.260
  • You know what God did?
  • 00:47:44.260 --> 00:47:46.040
  • He made coats for them out of skins,
  • 00:47:46.040 --> 00:47:47.270
  • the first blood sacrifice was a covering for their sin,
  • 00:47:47.270 --> 00:47:50.090
  • a picture of what was to come in Jesus Christ,
  • 00:47:50.090 --> 00:47:52.230
  • the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
  • 00:47:52.230 --> 00:47:54.200
  • - [Matt] Beautiful, wow.
  • 00:47:54.200 --> 00:47:56.020
  • - See, the Bible says without the shedding of blood
  • 00:47:56.020 --> 00:47:59.070
  • there's no remission of sins.
  • 00:47:59.070 --> 00:48:00.290
  • And so because we sinned,
  • 00:48:00.290 --> 00:48:03.270
  • then there had to be a payment
  • 00:48:03.270 --> 00:48:06.000
  • for the penalty of sin, death.
  • 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.020
  • And when God killed those animals and clothed Adam and Eve
  • 00:48:09.020 --> 00:48:11.290
  • it was a picture of the fact that one day
  • 00:48:11.290 --> 00:48:13.220
  • someone would come
  • 00:48:13.220 --> 00:48:15.060
  • that would pay the penalty for sin.
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  • The Israelites sacrificed animals over and over again
  • 00:48:19.140 --> 00:48:21.220
  • but the blood of bulls and goats can't take away our sin.
  • 00:48:21.220 --> 00:48:24.080
  • We're not related to the animals, we're separate.
  • 00:48:24.080 --> 00:48:26.060
  • So an animal can't take, pay the penalty for our sin.
  • 00:48:26.060 --> 00:48:29.150
  • But back there in the Garden of Eden
  • 00:48:29.150 --> 00:48:31.160
  • in Genesis 3:15, God promised a savior.
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  • "I'll put enmity between you and the woman,
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  • "your seed, her seed, he shall bruise your head,
  • 00:48:37.240 --> 00:48:39.100
  • "you shall bruise his heel,"
  • 00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:41.040
  • was the promise of a savior.
  • 00:48:41.040 --> 00:48:42.110
  • And then we read in the New Testament
  • 00:48:42.110 --> 00:48:44.170
  • that God sent that savior, he stepped into history
  • 00:48:44.170 --> 00:48:47.070
  • to become a babe in a manger
  • 00:48:47.070 --> 00:48:49.210
  • in the person of Jesus Christ, the God man.
  • 00:48:49.210 --> 00:48:52.140
  • God but man, a perfect man.
  • 00:48:52.140 --> 00:48:54.100
  • You see, a man brought sin and death in the world,
  • 00:48:54.100 --> 00:48:57.110
  • the man would need to pay the penalty for sin and death.
  • 00:48:57.110 --> 00:48:59.150
  • But it can't be anyone of us because we're all sinners.
  • 00:48:59.150 --> 00:49:03.030
  • But it has to be one of us
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  • because it has to be a descendant of Adam.
  • 00:49:04.190 --> 00:49:07.200
  • So God himself stepped into history
  • 00:49:07.200 --> 00:49:10.170
  • in the person of his son to be a descendant of Adam,
  • 00:49:10.170 --> 00:49:12.250
  • to be that perfect man
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  • to die on a cross,
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  • death because death is the penalty for sin,
  • 00:49:16.060 --> 00:49:17.270
  • rose from the dead, and offers a free gift of salvation.
  • 00:49:17.270 --> 00:49:21.100
  • The Bible says if you confess with your mouth
  • 00:49:21.100 --> 00:49:23.110
  • the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart
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  • God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
  • 00:49:24.260 --> 00:49:28.160
  • It's a free gift and it's available to all.
  • 00:49:28.160 --> 00:49:32.060
  • I told Bill Nye it was available to him
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  • to receive that free gift of salvation.
  • 00:49:34.180 --> 00:49:38.050
  • And you know what?
  • 00:49:38.050 --> 00:49:39.200
  • We could talk a lot more about this topic
  • 00:49:39.200 --> 00:49:41.270
  • but over and over again, whether it's evidence
  • 00:49:41.270 --> 00:49:45.030
  • for Noah's flood, evidence against evolution,
  • 00:49:45.030 --> 00:49:48.200
  • evidence that we're all descendants of Adam and Eve,
  • 00:49:48.200 --> 00:49:51.190
  • whatever it is, we've seen over and over again
  • 00:49:51.190 --> 00:49:55.150
  • science confirms that the Bible's history is true.
  • 00:49:55.150 --> 00:49:58.020
  • It explains who we are, where we came from,
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  • why there's different people groups,
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  • why there are fossils all over the world,
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  • because of the flood of Noah's day.
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  • Explains why there's death in the world.
  • 00:50:04.270 --> 00:50:07.080
  • But most of all, it explains that we're sinners
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  • in need of salvation.
  • 00:50:09.160 --> 00:50:11.130
  • And I would challenge each one of us
  • 00:50:11.130 --> 00:50:14.090
  • the most important thing for you to do,
  • 00:50:14.090 --> 00:50:17.070
  • most important thing in the whole universe for you
  • 00:50:17.070 --> 00:50:21.080
  • is to acknowledge that you're a sinner,
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  • to confess your sins, and to receive
  • 00:50:24.070 --> 00:50:26.250
  • that free gift of salvation
  • 00:50:26.250 --> 00:50:28.070
  • so that you know that when you die
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  • you'll be with the Lord forever.
  • 00:50:29.240 --> 00:50:33.120
  • And I know that I'm gonna be with the Lord forever
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  • because I received that free gift of salvation.
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  • That's what it's all about, the history in the Bible,
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  • it's true, that's why the gospel message
  • 00:50:41.240 --> 00:50:44.030
  • based in that history is true.
  • 00:50:44.030 --> 00:50:46.220
  • - How does somebody do that?
  • 00:50:46.220 --> 00:50:47.290
  • How, help them pray if they don't know how.
  • 00:50:47.290 --> 00:50:50.130
  • - Let's pray and do what the Bible says to do.
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  • If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus,
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  • believe in your heart God has raised him from the dead,
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  • you will be saved.
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  • Oh gracious, loving, heavenly Father,
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  • we just come before you as the creator God.
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  • We acknowledge you to be our creator, that you own us.
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  • We're just human beings made from dust
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  • and yet, Lord, we rebelled.
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  • We rebelled against you.
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  • And we don't deserve anything
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  • and yet you loved us so much,
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  • as you say in your word, for God so loved the world,
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  • he gave his only begotten son
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  • that whoever should believe in him
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  • shall not perish but have everlasting life.
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  • And so Lord, I pray for those who do not know you
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  • as Lord and Savior, have not received
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  • that free gift of salvation
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  • and they don't know when they die
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  • they're gonna going to heaven to be with you forever.
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  • That right now they would acknowledge you
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  • as their creator, confess they're a sinner
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  • in need of salvation, and ask
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  • to receive that free gift of salvation,
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  • ask you into their life,
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  • believe in their heart that you rose from the dead
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  • and receive that free gift of salvation.
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  • In Jesus's name we pray, amen.
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  • - Amen. - Amen, beautiful.
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  • (applause)
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  • Dr. Ken, this whole program led up to that moment.
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  • - That's what it's all about.
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  • - That's what it's all about and by the way,
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  • to those that are watching, whoever's watching,
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  • there's a telephone number on your screen.
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  • It's been there for 45 years, it's available to you now.
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  • Someone'll answer that phone,
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  • talk to you about it, we'd love to hear from you.
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  • And if you wanna make that decision right here,
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  • right now based upon what Dr. Ken has been talking about
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  • all program, there's somebody on the other line
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  • that'll talk to you.
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  • I wanna get to a roll in real quick
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  • as we kind of are getting near the end.
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  • I want you to get prepared
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  • to kind of make a closing statement.
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  • Creation Museum, the vision and the mission
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  • of Dr. Ken's work, watch this.
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  • (dramatic music)
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  • - [Narrator] The acclaimed Creation Museum,
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  • an outreach of Answers in Genesis,
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  • is a one-of-a-kind museum filled
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  • with animatronic characters,
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  • interactive videos, a spectacular planetarium,
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  • a special effects theater,
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  • and many other world class exhibits.
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  • Since its opening in 2007, the Creation Museum
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  • has welcomed over 1.5 million guests
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  • at its 49-acre location in the greater Cincinnati area.
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  • The state-of-the-art 70.000 square foot museum
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  • brings the pages of the Bible to life,
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  • helping answer the skeptical questions
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  • that cause people to doubt that the Bible is true.
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  • The dramatic finale of the museum
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  • is the Last Adam film where guests experience
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  • the glory of God's redemptive plan
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  • and hear a clear and powerful presentation
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  • of the gospel message.
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  • Since the museum's opening, we have heard
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  • countless testimonies from adults and young people
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  • whose lives have been changed through a museum visit.
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  • Leading us to ask ourselves, how can we make
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  • an even greater impact in this culture?
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  • Is God leading us to something more?
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  • (inspirational music)
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  • - If you are ever in the Cincinnati, Ohio area,
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  • they're in Kentucky, the Creation Museum,
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  • the Ark Encounter, all of that,
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  • all the information's on the screen.
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  • We encourage you to go.
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  • Amazing job, Ken, just congratulations
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  • on what you've done, what you've been able to accomplish.
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  • We celebrate what you're doing.
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  • We're behind you, TV and Partners, go, go
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  • and be a part of it, it's an amazing thing.
  • 00:54:58.140 --> 00:55:00.260
  • - Now, I have a question.
  • 00:55:00.260 --> 00:55:02.060
  • - Okay, okay.
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  • - I grew up loving dinosaurs and I'm sure a lot of us did
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  • and watched some Jurassic Park and all that stuff.
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  • What, where did the dinosaurs go?
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  • When did they become extinct?
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  • - Well you know, it's interesting you ask about dinosaurs
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  • because we, at the Creation Museum,
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  • we have some specific exhibits dealing with dinosaurs.
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  • And I think what happens is the evolutionists have used them
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  • to really push evolution.
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  • Now, there are people that say to me,
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  • "Well, how could God create dinosaurs
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  • "when the word dinosaur is not in the Bible?"
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  • Well, the word email's not in the Bible either.
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  • Because it's a modern word.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And the word dinosaur is a modern word.
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  • It wasn't even invented till 1841.
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - By a man called Sir Richard Owen,
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  • a famous British anatomist
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  • who had found some bones of iguanadon and megalasaurus
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  • and he said, "Let's invent a word for these."
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  • And from two Greek words, dinosaurus
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  • he invented the word dinosauria,
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  • which today we actually say, it means terrible lizard.
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  • Because they found the bones of some of these creatures
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  • and some of their bones are quite large.
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  • - [Matt] Yeah.
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  • - That's true but the majority
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  • of dinosaurs are pretty small.
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  • But God created all the kinds of land animals
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  • and then in 1841, a word was invented
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  • that said, well, these particular groups of land animals
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  • come out of that word dinosaur, right?
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  • So the two of each kind of land animal,
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  • which would have included what we call dinosaurs,
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  • went on Noah's ark, they come off Noah's ark,
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  • increased in numbers, but over time
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  • many animals have become extinct
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  • because the flood caused massive climate change.
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  • If you don't understand about the flood,
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  • you wanna understand climate change
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  • has been with us ever since the flood.
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  • And lots of animals have become extinct
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  • and the dinosaurs became extinct.
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  • It's no mystery, it's only a mystery
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  • if you believe in millions of years.
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  • - Got it.
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  • - Okay, so dinosaurs are what we think of dinosaurs,
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  • like a Trex and you know, all of that?
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  • - The average size of a dinosaur,
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  • there are two groups of them.
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  • One was the size of a buffalo
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  • and the other's the size of a sheep.
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  • And some were as small as chickens, how's that?
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  • - [Matt] Really?
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - So were there dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden?
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  • - Well, what we call dinosaurs--
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  • - Or prehistoric animals.
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  • - Well, we don't believe in prehistoric animals
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  • because history began
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  • from when it was recorded, Genesis 1:1.
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  • - [Cody] Okay.
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  • - But all the kinds of land animals,
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  • there were probably about 80 different kinds of land animals
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  • that are included in the dinosauri group
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  • that were there in the Garden of Eden, yes.
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  • - But they went extinct in the period of time
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  • from Noah's ark, which was how many years ago?
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  • - About 4.300 years ago if you add up
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  • the dates in the Bible.
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  • - [Matt] Okay.
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  • - Till now.
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  • - [Matt] All right.
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  • - It's just like the dodo bird, it became extinct, too
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  • - [Matt] Got it.
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  • - But people are not worried about the dodo bird.
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  • They're more worried about dinosaurs.
  • 00:57:40.240 --> 00:57:42.070
  • - So, the Trex existed between Noah's ark and now?
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  • - Yes, yes.
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  • That kind, the kind it belonged to.
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  • - [Cody] Yeah.
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  • - Would have existed on the ark and come off the ark, yes.
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  • - [Cody] That's awesome.
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  • - Wow, great.
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  • And wouldn't have eaten anything else on the ark
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  • while it was floating around?
  • 00:57:56.010 --> 00:57:57.120
  • - Well, God was in charge of that.
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  • - Okay, gotcha, all right.
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  • Don't leave our studio without putting kind of a
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  • conclusionary remark on tonight.
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  • We've talked about a whole bunch of stuff.
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  • We've talked, we've, you know, given people
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  • an opportunity to accept the Lord.
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  • So we've gotten all the work.
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  • What is the final kind of exclamation point,
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  • Dr. Ham, on our discussion tonight?
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  • - Well, what I want to say is this.
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  • People today have lots of doubts about the Bible
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  • because they think science has disproved the Bible.
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  • And what I'm saying is, there are incredible answers
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  • out there that show that those doubts are unfounded.
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  • The Bible's history concerning the creation of the universe,
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  • the creation of Adam and Eve,
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  • the event of Noah's flood, the event of Tower of Babel,
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  • it explains who we are, where we came from.
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  • It explains why there are fossils all over the earth.
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  • It explains the different people groups,
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  • it explains where death came from and why we die.
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  • And most of all, it tells us that our problem is sin
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  • but the solution is in Jesus Christ.
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  • We actually date our calendars from that event.
  • 00:59:02.090 --> 00:59:05.090
  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - From the babe in a manger, think about that.
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  • Because that event was so significant,
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  • was promised back in Genesis.
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  • The history in the Bible's true
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  • and the gospel message based on that history is true.
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  • That's why I do what I do.
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  • That's why we built the Creation Museum and the Ark,
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  • to tell the world the Bible's true.
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  • (applause)
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  • - Dr. Ken Ham, a modern day Noah.
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  • Thank you, Dr. Ham, thank you for being with us.
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  • We'll see you next time.
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  • Bye-bye, thanks, Cody.
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  • (applause)
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  • (upbeat music)
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