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Praise | March 11, 2017

Watch Praise | March 11, 2017
March 31, 2017
57:01

Chad Veach hosts Chris Durso, Jimi Cravity and music by Jimi Cravity.

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  • - female announcer: From Los
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  • Angeles, California, pastor of
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  • Misfit NYC from Christ
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  • Tabernacle Church, Chris Durso;
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  • and host, pastor of Zoe Church
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  • in Los Angeles, Chad Veach.
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  • With special music from
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  • singer/songwriter, Jimi Cravity.
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  • - Chad Veach: Ha, ha, ha.
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  • Welcome to the "Praise" program.
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  • We have a fantastic show lined
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  • up for you today.
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  • I don't know where you're
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  • joining us from, but it's an
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  • honor to have you with us and
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  • we've got amazing guests,
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  • wanna say first and foremost
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  • that we serve a good God.
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  • God is for you, he's not against
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  • you.
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  • He's not mad at you.
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  • In fact, we believe that God
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  • loves you so much that he sent
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  • his one and his only Son to die
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  • for your sins.
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  • Hey, it's gonna be a great
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  • program.
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  • My name is Chad Veach.
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  • I'm a married man.
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  • My wife and I, we just
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  • [audience applauding]
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  • Isn't that fantastic?
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  • She is blessed, huh?
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  • I'm kidding.
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  • We have three children.
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  • I have a 5-year-old daughter
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  • named Georgia, I have a
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  • 3-year-old son named Winston,
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  • and my newest addition, the
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  • 1-year-old son, listen to his
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  • name.
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  • His name is Maverick Montgomery
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  • Veach.
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  • Ha, ha.
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  • And I don't know what we were
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  • thinking on the third, but we
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  • are--we're blessed.
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  • We pastor a church in Los
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  • Angeles, California.
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  • It's called Zoe Church.
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  • And people have often asked me,
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  • they say, you know, "What--zo,
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  • zoey, zoay, what--why would you
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  • name your church Zoe Church?"
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  • Well, you know, by definition,
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  • zoe is a Greek word.
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  • And it literally means abundant
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  • life.
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  • You know, the Bible says in John
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  • chapter 10, verse 10, it says:
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  • "The evil one, the devil, he
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  • comes to steal, kill, and to
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  • destroy, but I have come that
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  • you might have life, and life
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  • more abundantly."
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  • C'mon, anybody believe today
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  • that in Jesus we've got the
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  • abundant life?
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  • You know, that abundant life,
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  • you know, I can't wait for
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  • heaven.
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  • The Bible says when we get to
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  • heaven, we're gonna walk streets
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  • of gold and sit at a banqueting
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  • table and, oh, I cannot wait for
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  • heaven.
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  • Heaven, the Bible says, there'll
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  • be no more weeping, there'll be
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  • no more tears, there'll be no
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  • more suffering through DMV
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  • lines, thank you, Jesus.
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  • But, you know, God's not gonna
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  • make us wait to get to heaven
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  • for the abundant life.
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  • But I believe here on earth we
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  • can have the abundant life.
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  • It's all in Jesus.
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  • I wanna talk to you today about
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  • your faith.
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  • You might be saying, "You know,
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  • I'm not really a faith person,"
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  • or "I don't have great faith."
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  • You know, I believe that faith,
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  • God gives each of us a measure
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  • of faith.
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  • I wanna talk to you about your
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  • life, about having faith to move
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  • forward into your future.
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  • You know, faith, by definition,
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  • it just means to trust God, to
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  • believe God, to have confidence
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  • in God.
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  • By the way, we don't just have
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  • faith in ourself.
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  • There's some confidence in what
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  • God's given me the ability to
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  • do, but I believe all of our
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  • faith is about Jesus.
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  • It's about believing who he is,
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  • what he's done on the cross,
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  • that who I am in Christ, I have
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  • faith--don't ever make your
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  • faith about you.
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  • Faith is not about yourself.
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  • Faith is about believing in
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  • Jesus, saying, "I believe that
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  • Jesus died and rose again."
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  • C'mon, anybody today.
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  • We've got faith in a good God,
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  • in a live God, a God that's for
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  • us and loves us.
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  • I love this so much about Jesus,
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  • because I know that I can make
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  • it if I make my faith not only
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  • about him, but I make my faith
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  • in him.
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  • I am in Jesus, I am now the
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  • righteousness of God in Christ
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  • Jesus.
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  • When I put my faith in Jesus, I
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  • believe that I am a chosen
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  • generation, I'm a royal
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  • priesthood, I am been called by
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  • God to declare his marvelous
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  • light.
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  • When I start getting excited,
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  • it's not about faith or
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  • confidence in myself as much as
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  • it is having faith in Jesus.
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  • I wanna believe today that
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  • wherever you're at, you're
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  • starting to believe that Jesus
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  • is awesome, Jesus is amazing,
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  • Jesus is not just a prophet,
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  • Jesus is the Messiah.
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  • He is the Son of the living God.
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  • You've gotta have faith.
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  • And I believe this.
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  • I believe this with all my
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  • heart, in fact.
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  • I believe that when you have
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  • faith in Jesus, you start to
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  • move forward.
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  • Oh, I wanna just pause here for
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  • a moment because I believe so
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  • many people out there, you're
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  • holding on to your history at
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  • the expense of your destiny.
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  • And when you let go of the past,
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  • it's only by saying, "I've got
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  • faith that Jesus forgives me,
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  • Jesus heals me, Jesus actually
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  • has a future for my life, and so
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  • I'm letting go of the past."
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  • Watch what the apostle Paul
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  • said.
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  • He said, "Forgetting those
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  • things which are behind me, I
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  • press forward to take hold of
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  • all that God has for me."
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  • I don't know who I'm preaching
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  • to tonight, but I'm just
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  • believing for somebody.
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  • You're gonna have faith to move
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  • forward.
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  • You might be going, "Well, I try
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  • to move forward, but, you know,
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  • I just--I couldn't get over my
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  • forgiveness issue, my substance
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  • abuse issue," you know, whatever
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  • it is for you.
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  • Let me just say this.
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  • You may not be where you wanna
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  • be, but thank God you're not
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  • where you used to be.
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  • C'mon, Jesus has come in, done a
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  • mighty work in your life.
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  • You can have faith to move
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  • forward into your future.
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  • You know, when I say the word
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  • "future," the immediate thought
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  • that I have around the word
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  • "future" is God-given potential.
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  • There is a God-given potential
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  • over your life.
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  • I believe in your future.
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  • God is already in your future.
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  • He's standing there, wooing you,
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  • beckoning you, calling you by
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  • name, saying, "I've got more
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  • planned for you than you ever
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  • thought.
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  • I've got more planned for you
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  • than you ever imagined.
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  • I've got more planned for you
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  • than you could ever dream of or
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  • earn."
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  • Anybody thankful today that we
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  • can have faith in Jesus to move
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  • forward into the future that God
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  • has for--let me just say this to
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  • you.
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  • The future is not up for you to
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  • plan because God already has a
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  • plan for your life.
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  • C'mon, anybody thankful today
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  • that God has a plan for your
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  • life?
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  • I'm telling you, it's gonna be
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  • an awesome, awesome show today.
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  • And before we go any further, I
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  • wanna show you something I'm so
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  • excited about.
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  • This video that I'm about to
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  • show you, I've got faith for.
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  • It's in the future.
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  • And I'm hoping that you can come
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  • join us at this awesome
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  • conference.
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  • Why don't you check this
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  • - Rich Wilkerson Jr.: It is
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  • God's body language from heaven
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  • to say that you are so loved.
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  • The cross is not a symbol.
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  • The cross is a statement from
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  • heaven thrown.
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  • It's a shout with no words to
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  • say how much are you loved?
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  • You are so loved!
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  • - John Gray: I need a church
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  • that will be a bridge to
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  • unbelievers.
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  • I need a church that will extend
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  • beyond the comfort zone of their
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  • own culture.
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  • I need a church that makes Jesus
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  • look as big as he was when he
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  • walked the earth.
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  • - Chad: When God shows up, he
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  • brings life.
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  • He brings compassion.
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  • He brings hope.
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  • He brings new waters.
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  • He brings new rivers.
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  • He brings possibility.
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  • C'mon, anybody thankful that
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  • this is who he is?
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  • He is the author and the
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  • finisher of our faith.
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  • He is a new life.
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  • He is beginning.
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  • - Chad: So, hey, I don't know
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  • what you're doing in this August
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  • but I think you should join us
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  • an awesome conference.
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  • I got my good friend Pastor Rich
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  • Wilkerson Junior's coming.
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  • I got Pastor John Gray from
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  • Lakewood Church.
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  • And it just wouldn't be the same
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  • without you.
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  • But I wanna get back just very
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  • quickly, wrapping up the thought
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  • that we were talking about
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  • before that video.
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  • Again, welcome to the program.
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  • We're talking about today,
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  • into our future.
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  • You know, sometimes we get
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  • intimidated because we think
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  • faith is this huge idea of
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  • something we have to do or have
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  • to be.
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  • You know, the Bible does tell us
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  • in Hebrews 11:6: "Without faith,
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  • it is impossible to please him,
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  • for he who comes to God must
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  • first believe that he is God,
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  • and he is the rewarder of those
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  • who diligently seek him."
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  • You know what?
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  • I once heard someone say this:
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  • "Faith is what honors God the
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  • most, and it's what God mostly
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  • honors."
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  • The way that we can honor God
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  • with our life is just by
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  • trusting him, believing in him,
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  • making our life all about Jesus.
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  • You know, when I think about
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  • your faith, here's what I think
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  • you should do with your faith.
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  • I think you should stir it up, I
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  • think you should grow it up, and
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  • I think you should fan it into
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  • flame.
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  • Stir up your faith, grow up your
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  • faith, fan that thing into
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  • flame.
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  • I remember growing up, as a kid,
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  • my dad used to take us to Old
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  • Country Town Buffet.
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  • We'd go and eat up all we wanted
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  • and I used to go up to, you
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  • know, one of those dishes that
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  • had been sitting under that
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  • light for a long time and it
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  • looks like nobody's eaten there
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  • in a couple of days and just had
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  • that film layer of, you know,
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  • just--I don't even know what
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  • that is.
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  • Maybe it's sin.
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  • And I used to walk up to that
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  • dish and look at it and go,
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  • "That doesn't look that good."
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  • But I would take that spoon and
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  • give me about 30, 45 seconds
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  • with that thing, I can make that
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  • dish look brand new.
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  • You know, I think about your
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  • faith.
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  • I think you ought to stir up
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  • your faith.
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  • I think you ought to get excited
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  • that God is for you, God has in
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  • your future, God has a plan for
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  • your life.
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  • C'mon, stir up that thing.
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  • Grow up your faith.
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  • I'm telling you, when you start
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  • to increase your faith.
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  • You know, don't ever live your
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  • life with a defeated mentality.
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  • Don't ever live your life
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  • thinking that "I am a mistake."
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  • You might have made a mistake,
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  • but you're not a mistake.
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  • You are what God says you are.
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  • You are what the Bible declares
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  • you are.
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  • You are forgiven, you are
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  • called, you're anointed for a
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  • task, and I'm believing today
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  • that you, in your life, maybe
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  • you're a parent, maybe you're
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  • single and believing for a
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  • significant other.
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  • You know, the Bible says: "He
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  • who finds a wife finds a good
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  • thing."
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  • Somebody say, "Amen."
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  • No matter where you are, I'm
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  • believing that today, your faith
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  • will increase, you can take one
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  • step forward.
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  • You don't need to take 100
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  • steps, but how about just 1
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  • step?
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  • You can take one step forward
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  • into the future that God has
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  • already laid out for you.
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  • I'm telling you that the best
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  • life is the zoe life.
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  • The best life is the life that
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  • God has planned.
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  • You might have concoct some
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  • incredible plan for your life,
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  • but it pales in comparison to
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  • the plan that heaven has already
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  • made for your life.
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  • I'm thankful today.
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  • So glad you've joined us.
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  • So glad.
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  • Hey, I've got one of my best
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  • friends in the whole world on
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  • the program today.
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  • I'm gonna introduce you to him
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  • in just a moment, but I want you
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  • to check out this video that's
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  • gonna tell you a little bit
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  • about who he is,
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  • and then I'll tell you exactly
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  • - announcer: With a charge to
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  • pour into the lives of the next
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  • generation, Chris Durso, senior
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  • associate pastor of Christ
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  • Tabernacle in Queens, New York,
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  • is known for taking an
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  • out-of-the-box approach to
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  • [music]
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  • - announcer: Also, the creative
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  • architect of the Misfit Movement
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  • for local youth, he's skillfully
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  • incorporated hip hop, poetry,
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  • and the arts into the ministry.
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  • Today, he encourages young
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  • people to take the initiative,
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  • to reach their peers by using
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  • their artistic talents.
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  • His creativity and
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  • unconventional approach to reach
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  • an unchurched youth has become a
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  • life-giving force for the next
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  • generation.
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  • Here now, on "Praise," Pastor
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  • - Chad: C'mon, put your hands
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  • together and welcome with me my
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  • good friend, Pastor Chris Durso
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  • is on today.
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  • Hey, thanks so much for taking
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  • some time and being with us
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  • today.
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  • All the way from New York City.
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  • Pastor Chris is on staff at his
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  • father's church, Christ
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  • Tabernacle in Queens, New York.
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  • Street cred.
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  • books and has a wonderful
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  • family, it's an honor to have
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  • you on.
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  • Thanks so much for taking time.
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  • - Chris: Thank you for having
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  • me.
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  • This is a honor to be here.
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  • - Chad: You look great, by the
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  • way.
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  • - Chris: Trying.
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  • - Chad: Love the outfit.
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  • - Chris: Well, when I heard
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  • that I was coming, I thought to
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  • myself, "I have to look good,"
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  • 'cause I'm gonna be sitting next
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  • to you.
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  • - Chad: Hey, might--not
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  • everyone might have heard your
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  • story.
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  • I think it's an unbelievable
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  • story.
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  • I'm always interested in
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  • are in the faith, now serving
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  • God in the ministry.
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  • Tell us how did you get here.
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  • You grew up in church.
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  • Tell us a little bit about your
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  • story.
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  • - Chris: Yeah, I am a church
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  • kid.
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  • I mean, I've--born and raised,
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  • Queens, New York, my entire
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  • life.
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  • My dad started our church 32
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  • years ago.
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  • I'm 33 years old.
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  • So I was in church every day of
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  • the week, a part of whatever was
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  • going on.
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  • Didn't matter if it was youth
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  • ministry, single ministry,
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  • benevolents, I mean, I was
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  • there.
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  • I was a part of all of it.
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  • So, growing up in church, I
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  • mean, you just get--you kind of
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  • get used to it, kind of get
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  • jaded.
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  • But at the same time, I always
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  • had this heart for wanting to do
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  • the will of God, but it's a
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  • pretty difficult balance when
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  • you're growing up in New York
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  • and you're surrounded by all
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  • this culture and all these other
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  • options and, man, I remember
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  • being around 19 years old and I
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  • finally committed my life to
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  • Jesus Christ.
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  • Best decision I ever made in my
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  • life.
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  • Never looked back since.
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  • - Chad: C'mon.
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  • Now, it's amazing that you say
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  • that.
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  • You were 19.
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  • I was 16.
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  • I'm a pastor's kid as well.
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  • Was 16 when I really, you know,
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  • got serious about my faith so I
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  • beat you by 3 years.
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  • But let's not get into
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  • competition.
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  • It's not about me, it's all
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  • about him today.
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  • But 19 years old, what was it?
  • 00:15:04.230 --> 00:15:07.050
  • You've grown up in church,
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  • you've been around church your
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  • whole life.
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  • Why at 19?
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  • - Chris: Yeah, I think I got
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  • tired of running.
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  • You know, at 7 years old, our
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  • overseeing pastor.
  • 00:15:15.030 --> 00:15:16.080
  • So, our church is the first
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  • church to come out of the
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  • Brooklyn Tabernacle, so Christ
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  • Tabernacle comes out of Brooklyn
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  • Tabernacle.
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  • Pastor Jim Cymbala who started
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  • the Brooklyn Tabernacle is our
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  • overseeing pastor, and when I
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  • was 7 years old, Pastor Cymbala
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  • prophesied over me.
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  • And he told my parents not to
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  • worry about me because they were
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  • dealing with some learning
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  • disabilities that I was going
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  • through and they said, "Hey."
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  • He said, "Don't worry about this
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  • one.
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  • God's gonna use him.
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  • God's called him to be a
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  • pastor."
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  • And I remember being 7 years old
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  • in my kitchen, knowing that he
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  • was right and, if we're being
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  • honest, I hated that he was
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  • right.
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  • I did not wanna be a pastor.
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  • I did not want to build the
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  • church.
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  • I watched everything that my
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  • parents had to deal with week in
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  • and week out.
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  • I mean, just the sacrifice, the
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  • giving up of the family
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  • vacations, the giving away the
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  • money to other people.
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  • I just thought to myself, "This
  • 00:15:59.260 --> 00:16:00.210
  • is too hard.
  • 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:01.230
  • It's too difficult.
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  • It's too much pressure."
  • 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.050
  • Now, at the same time, I had a
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  • stutter.
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  • So I thought to myself, "How
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  • could I get up?"
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  • I watched my dad every week, one
  • 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:09.210
  • of the greatest pastors alive,
  • 00:16:09.210 --> 00:16:10.290
  • get up and preach the gospel,
  • 00:16:10.290 --> 00:16:12.200
  • three, four messages on a
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  • Sunday.
  • 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:14.200
  • And I would think to myself,
  • 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:16.000
  • "There is no way that I could do
  • 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:17.100
  • that.
  • 00:16:17.100 --> 00:16:18.000
  • I got a learning disability, I
  • 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:18.240
  • got a stutter."
  • 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:20.010
  • So I ran most of my life, trying
  • 00:16:20.010 --> 00:16:22.030
  • to sabotage my calling.
  • 00:16:22.030 --> 00:16:23.250
  • Almost as if to say, "God, look,
  • 00:16:23.250 --> 00:16:25.000
  • you can't use me.
  • 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:26.060
  • Look, I'm not committed, I'm not
  • 00:16:26.060 --> 00:16:27.240
  • going to Bible school, I'm gonna
  • 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.130
  • involve myself in some things
  • 00:16:29.130 --> 00:16:30.140
  • that I shouldn't involve myself
  • 00:16:30.140 --> 00:16:31.120
  • in just to prove."
  • 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.200
  • But that's the great thing about
  • 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:34.160
  • the grace of God, isn't it?
  • 00:16:34.160 --> 00:16:35.240
  • Doesn't matter how far you go.
  • 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:37.040
  • It doesn't matter what you do.
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  • It doesn't matter what you say.
  • 00:16:38.190 --> 00:16:40.150
  • You can never sabotage the
  • 00:16:40.150 --> 00:16:41.130
  • calling of God on your life.
  • 00:16:41.130 --> 00:16:43.000
  • So if he is for you, he's for
  • 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:44.100
  • you.
  • 00:16:44.100 --> 00:16:45.030
  • And no matter what you go
  • 00:16:45.030 --> 00:16:45.240
  • through, he knew in advance.
  • 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.030
  • I love what you were saying
  • 00:16:48.030 --> 00:16:48.250
  • before about plans.
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  • I don't have to--I don't have to
  • 00:16:50.130 --> 00:16:51.250
  • make up my plans because God
  • 00:16:51.250 --> 00:16:53.040
  • already has a plan.
  • 00:16:53.040 --> 00:16:54.230
  • And even when I try to sabotage
  • 00:16:54.230 --> 00:16:56.020
  • it, because of his sovereignty,
  • 00:16:56.020 --> 00:16:57.280
  • he works it all around for his
  • 00:16:57.280 --> 00:16:58.280
  • glory.
  • 00:16:58.280 --> 00:17:00.030
  • And I don't know about you, but
  • 00:17:00.030 --> 00:17:01.000
  • I'm pretty grateful for the
  • 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:02.070
  • sovereignty of God.
  • 00:17:02.070 --> 00:17:03.150
  • Because even when I bang it up,
  • 00:17:03.150 --> 00:17:05.030
  • even when I mess it up, he says,
  • 00:17:05.030 --> 00:17:07.000
  • "Hey, you can still have it.
  • 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:08.190
  • So, I still wanna use you."
  • 00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:10.070
  • - Chad: So great.
  • 00:17:10.070 --> 00:17:11.080
  • Amazing.
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  • Hey, also, I just wanna remind
  • 00:17:12.010 --> 00:17:12.230
  • anybody that's just jumped in
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  • and joined us.
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  • We're on the "Praise" program
  • 00:17:15.080 --> 00:17:16.070
  • today.
  • 00:17:16.070 --> 00:17:16.270
  • I've got my dear friend,
  • 00:17:16.270 --> 00:17:18.040
  • Pastor Chris Durso,
  • 00:17:18.040 --> 00:17:19.060
  • from Queens, New York--
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  • - Chris: Queens!
  • 00:17:20.150 --> 00:17:21.070
  • - Chad: He's telling
  • 00:17:21.070 --> 00:17:21.280
  • us--Queens, I like that
  • 00:17:21.280 --> 00:17:22.220
  • shout-out.
  • 00:17:22.220 --> 00:17:23.120
  • You know, not everybody can
  • 00:17:23.120 --> 00:17:24.020
  • shout out, like, a cool city.
  • 00:17:24.020 --> 00:17:25.040
  • You actually get to do it.
  • 00:17:25.040 --> 00:17:26.070
  • - Chris: 'Cause Queens is the
  • 00:17:26.070 --> 00:17:26.280
  • greatest.
  • 00:17:26.280 --> 00:17:27.240
  • - Chad: It's amazing.
  • 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:28.190
  • - Chris: It's a fact.
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  • - Chad: I'm gonna throw out
  • 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.000
  • Brooklyn but I'm not even from
  • 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:33.010
  • there.
  • 00:17:33.010 --> 00:17:33.210
  • Anyways, I wanna get to the
  • 00:17:35.140 --> 00:17:38.140
  • subject of your next book.
  • 00:17:38.140 --> 00:17:41.100
  • I love the title.
  • 00:17:41.100 --> 00:17:42.190
  • - Chris: Man, I'm excited about
  • 00:17:42.190 --> 00:17:43.130
  • it.
  • 00:17:43.130 --> 00:17:44.110
  • - Chad: And right when I see
  • 00:17:44.110 --> 00:17:45.040
  • the title, I go, "Okay, what are
  • 00:17:45.040 --> 00:17:47.140
  • you trying to say here?"
  • 00:17:47.140 --> 00:17:48.290
  • Tell us the title and what is
  • 00:17:48.290 --> 00:17:50.010
  • the premise of this book?
  • 00:17:50.010 --> 00:17:51.110
  • - Chris: Yeah, so the title of
  • 00:17:51.110 --> 00:17:52.030
  • my next book is "The Heist: How
  • 00:17:52.030 --> 00:17:53.240
  • Grace Robs Us of Our Shame."
  • 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.060
  • You know, the story that I want
  • 00:17:56.060 --> 00:17:58.060
  • to tell is essentially the story
  • 00:17:58.060 --> 00:17:59.240
  • that we hear each and every
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  • week.
  • 00:18:00.230 --> 00:18:01.140
  • I mean, I think about we have,
  • 00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:02.140
  • in a few weeks, we have Easter
  • 00:18:02.140 --> 00:18:04.040
  • coming up and Good Friday.
  • 00:18:04.040 --> 00:18:05.100
  • We're gonna tell the story about
  • 00:18:05.100 --> 00:18:06.140
  • how Jesus died on the cross.
  • 00:18:06.140 --> 00:18:08.220
  • And although it is the greatest
  • 00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:09.260
  • often we soften the story.
  • 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.070
  • We don't really approach it with
  • 00:18:14.070 --> 00:18:15.240
  • the intensity and as violent as
  • 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.220
  • it was.
  • 00:18:17.220 --> 00:18:18.140
  • It wasn't a nice story.
  • 00:18:18.140 --> 00:18:20.060
  • The outcome was nice, but what
  • 00:18:20.060 --> 00:18:21.290
  • Jesus had to go through was
  • 00:18:21.290 --> 00:18:23.110
  • pretty tough.
  • 00:18:23.110 --> 00:18:24.200
  • It was pretty difficult.
  • 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:25.250
  • And he had a endgame in mind.
  • 00:18:25.250 --> 00:18:27.170
  • Jesus didn't just come to this
  • 00:18:27.170 --> 00:18:28.260
  • so that he could rise again.
  • 00:18:31.130 --> 00:18:32.210
  • The reason why he rose again is
  • 00:18:32.210 --> 00:18:34.210
  • so that he could rob death of
  • 00:18:34.210 --> 00:18:36.030
  • its sting.
  • 00:18:36.030 --> 00:18:37.060
  • He literally stole from death
  • 00:18:37.060 --> 00:18:39.130
  • the power it had over us.
  • 00:18:39.130 --> 00:18:41.140
  • And you know--
  • 00:18:41.140 --> 00:18:43.110
  • - Chad: That's amazing.
  • 00:18:43.110 --> 00:18:44.150
  • - Chris: And people will try to
  • 00:18:44.150 --> 00:18:45.240
  • argue this idea that he didn't
  • 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.000
  • rob it.
  • 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:49.020
  • But the fact is, what's a
  • 00:18:49.020 --> 00:18:50.010
  • robbery?
  • 00:18:50.010 --> 00:18:50.290
  • A robbery is when you take
  • 00:18:50.290 --> 00:18:52.010
  • something from somebody that
  • 00:18:52.010 --> 00:18:53.110
  • they didn't intentionally give
  • 00:18:53.110 --> 00:18:54.090
  • up.
  • 00:18:54.090 --> 00:18:55.050
  • Death didn't say, "Here you go."
  • 00:18:55.050 --> 00:18:57.150
  • Jesus said, "Give me that.
  • 00:18:57.150 --> 00:18:58.290
  • Those are my people.
  • 00:18:58.290 --> 00:19:00.020
  • I love them.
  • 00:19:00.020 --> 00:19:01.000
  • I created them, and I want them
  • 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.110
  • to live for me.
  • 00:19:02.110 --> 00:19:03.180
  • I want them to worship me."
  • 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:05.040
  • And he knew--he knew that
  • 00:19:05.040 --> 00:19:07.170
  • without his sacrifice, there
  • 00:19:07.170 --> 00:19:09.230
  • would be this divide.
  • 00:19:09.230 --> 00:19:12.070
  • But he said, "I wanna break the
  • 00:19:12.070 --> 00:19:13.140
  • divide.
  • 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:14.090
  • I wanna get them to me."
  • 00:19:14.090 --> 00:19:16.050
  • You ever hear the story of
  • 00:19:16.050 --> 00:19:17.050
  • Zacchaeus?
  • 00:19:17.050 --> 00:19:18.080
  • I love this story of Zacchaeus.
  • 00:19:18.080 --> 00:19:19.130
  • I don't know why I love it so
  • 00:19:19.130 --> 00:19:20.120
  • much.
  • 00:19:20.120 --> 00:19:21.010
  • Maybe it's because the Bible
  • 00:19:21.010 --> 00:19:21.280
  • says that Zacchaeus was short
  • 00:19:21.280 --> 00:19:23.080
  • and I identify with him because
  • 00:19:23.080 --> 00:19:24.060
  • I'm short.
  • 00:19:24.060 --> 00:19:25.140
  • - Chad: I wasn't gonna say it
  • 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:26.060
  • but you can say it.
  • 00:19:26.060 --> 00:19:27.020
  • - Chris: Well, that's not
  • 00:19:27.020 --> 00:19:27.220
  • really fair.
  • 00:19:27.220 --> 00:19:28.100
  • Everyone's short to you.
  • 00:19:28.100 --> 00:19:29.020
  • You're, like, 9 foot 9.
  • 00:19:29.020 --> 00:19:30.010
  • However, I think about this
  • 00:19:30.010 --> 00:19:32.110
  • story, and the story starts off
  • 00:19:32.110 --> 00:19:33.200
  • letting us know that Zacchaeus
  • 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:35.070
  • is a tax collector.
  • 00:19:35.070 --> 00:19:36.120
  • And if you know anything about
  • 00:19:36.120 --> 00:19:37.080
  • tax collectors, they were okayed
  • 00:19:37.080 --> 00:19:39.180
  • by the government to rob people.
  • 00:19:39.180 --> 00:19:41.130
  • They would overtax people on the
  • 00:19:41.130 --> 00:19:43.030
  • land that they were living with
  • 00:19:43.030 --> 00:19:44.060
  • and yet, they really didn't deal
  • 00:19:44.060 --> 00:19:47.020
  • with any of the repercussions.
  • 00:19:47.020 --> 00:19:48.120
  • Zacchaeus hears that Jesus is
  • 00:19:48.120 --> 00:19:49.190
  • coming into town.
  • 00:19:49.190 --> 00:19:50.190
  • He thinks to himself, "Man, this
  • 00:19:50.190 --> 00:19:51.180
  • guy has way more Twitter
  • 00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:52.290
  • followers than I have.
  • 00:19:52.290 --> 00:19:54.080
  • I wanna go into the town where
  • 00:19:54.080 --> 00:19:55.130
  • he's teaching and hear what he's
  • 00:19:55.130 --> 00:19:56.270
  • all about."
  • 00:19:56.270 --> 00:19:57.280
  • So what does Zacchaeus do?
  • 00:19:57.280 --> 00:19:59.100
  • He climbs a tree, because he's
  • 00:19:59.100 --> 00:20:00.210
  • not really looking to connect
  • 00:20:00.210 --> 00:20:01.220
  • with Jesus.
  • 00:20:01.220 --> 00:20:02.180
  • He just wants to learn about
  • 00:20:02.180 --> 00:20:03.180
  • Jesus.
  • 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:04.110
  • But before Jesus goes to teach,
  • 00:20:04.110 --> 00:20:06.170
  • he starts to teach.
  • 00:20:06.170 --> 00:20:07.130
  • I love it, right?
  • 00:20:07.130 --> 00:20:08.050
  • He walks straight up to the
  • 00:20:08.050 --> 00:20:09.040
  • tree, and he goes, "Zacchaeus."
  • 00:20:09.040 --> 00:20:11.070
  • And can you imagine, like,
  • 00:20:11.070 --> 00:20:12.020
  • what's running through the mind
  • 00:20:12.020 --> 00:20:12.260
  • of Zacchaeus in that moment?
  • 00:20:12.260 --> 00:20:14.190
  • Like, here he is in a tree,
  • 00:20:14.190 --> 00:20:15.290
  • like, think of, like, junior
  • 00:20:15.290 --> 00:20:17.040
  • high school all over again.
  • 00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:18.100
  • You ever had one of those
  • 00:20:18.100 --> 00:20:19.050
  • moments where you think
  • 00:20:19.050 --> 00:20:19.270
  • someone's saying "Hi" to you,
  • 00:20:19.270 --> 00:20:20.290
  • but they're not?
  • 00:20:20.290 --> 00:20:22.120
  • You know what I mean?
  • 00:20:22.120 --> 00:20:23.080
  • Like, he didn't say my name, he
  • 00:20:23.080 --> 00:20:24.150
  • probably said another name, like
  • 00:20:24.150 --> 00:20:25.140
  • Zina or Zeus or Ziniqua.
  • 00:20:26.080 --> 00:20:29.080
  • Like, he didn't say,
  • 00:20:29.080 --> 00:20:30.080
  • "Zacchaeus."
  • 00:20:30.080 --> 00:20:31.030
  • But he goes, "Zacchaeus, come
  • 00:20:31.030 --> 00:20:32.180
  • down from the tree.
  • 00:20:32.180 --> 00:20:33.250
  • I'm coming over to your house
  • 00:20:33.250 --> 00:20:34.240
  • for dinner," which, on a side
  • 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:36.050
  • note, you ever had one of those
  • 00:20:36.050 --> 00:20:37.130
  • friends that invited themselves
  • 00:20:37.130 --> 00:20:38.150
  • over for dinner, right?
  • 00:20:38.150 --> 00:20:40.150
  • Well, if that was you, you're,
  • 00:20:40.150 --> 00:20:42.040
  • like, "Jesus!"
  • 00:20:42.040 --> 00:20:42.270
  • However, Jesus invites himself
  • 00:20:42.270 --> 00:20:44.150
  • over.
  • 00:20:44.150 --> 00:20:45.120
  • Can you imagine, now, the Bible
  • 00:20:45.120 --> 00:20:46.180
  • doesn't tell us what happened,
  • 00:20:46.180 --> 00:20:48.070
  • so we can use our creative
  • 00:20:48.070 --> 00:20:49.060
  • license here, but can you
  • 00:20:49.060 --> 00:20:50.060
  • imagine what's going through the
  • 00:20:50.060 --> 00:20:51.120
  • mind of Zacchaeus and the rest
  • 00:20:51.120 --> 00:20:53.020
  • of his guests as they're sitting
  • 00:20:53.020 --> 00:20:54.170
  • around this table with Jesus?
  • 00:20:54.170 --> 00:20:57.050
  • I wonder what he's thinking.
  • 00:20:57.050 --> 00:20:58.190
  • I wonder what's going through
  • 00:20:58.190 --> 00:20:59.160
  • his mind, all the insecurities,
  • 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:00.280
  • like, "Why would this man come
  • 00:21:00.280 --> 00:21:01.250
  • over my house?
  • 00:21:01.250 --> 00:21:03.190
  • Why would he wanna hang out with
  • 00:21:03.190 --> 00:21:04.130
  • me?
  • 00:21:04.130 --> 00:21:05.050
  • Doesn't he know who I am?
  • 00:21:05.050 --> 00:21:06.230
  • Does he know what I've done?
  • 00:21:06.230 --> 00:21:08.180
  • Does he know that I'm a tax
  • 00:21:08.180 --> 00:21:09.190
  • collector?
  • 00:21:09.190 --> 00:21:10.240
  • Does he know that I'm a thief?
  • 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:11.190
  • Does he know that I rob people?"
  • 00:21:11.190 --> 00:21:13.260
  • But at the same time, I can
  • 00:21:13.260 --> 00:21:14.190
  • imagine what Jesus was doing.
  • 00:21:14.190 --> 00:21:16.040
  • I can imagine that Jesus is
  • 00:21:16.040 --> 00:21:17.030
  • listening in on the thoughts of
  • 00:21:17.030 --> 00:21:18.140
  • Zacchaeus, 'cause he could do
  • 00:21:18.140 --> 00:21:19.200
  • that, you know.
  • 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:20.220
  • And I can imagine what he's
  • 00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:21.190
  • thinking, like, "Zacchaeus, you
  • 00:21:21.190 --> 00:21:23.020
  • don't think I know who you are?
  • 00:21:23.020 --> 00:21:24.220
  • I know exactly who you are.
  • 00:21:24.220 --> 00:21:26.080
  • I know exactly what you were
  • 00:21:26.080 --> 00:21:27.080
  • doing.
  • 00:21:27.080 --> 00:21:27.290
  • I didn't make a mistake.
  • 00:21:27.290 --> 00:21:29.020
  • I needed to come over in this
  • 00:21:29.020 --> 00:21:30.230
  • house and I'm aware of what you
  • 00:21:30.230 --> 00:21:32.140
  • do.
  • 00:21:32.140 --> 00:21:33.120
  • However, I know that you rob
  • 00:21:33.120 --> 00:21:36.110
  • people, I know that you take
  • 00:21:36.110 --> 00:21:38.210
  • from people, but the truth is
  • 00:21:38.210 --> 00:21:40.200
  • you're a small-time robber and
  • 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:42.050
  • you're a petty crook.
  • 00:21:42.050 --> 00:21:43.180
  • Because if you really wanna
  • 00:21:43.180 --> 00:21:44.180
  • learn how to rob somebody, you
  • 00:21:44.180 --> 00:21:46.000
  • shall watch me.
  • 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:47.130
  • I'm about to pull off one of the
  • 00:21:47.130 --> 00:21:48.120
  • greatest heists in history.
  • 00:21:48.120 --> 00:21:50.160
  • I'm about to rob death of its
  • 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:51.250
  • sting.
  • 00:21:51.250 --> 00:21:52.220
  • I'm about to rob the grave of
  • 00:21:52.220 --> 00:21:54.030
  • me.
  • 00:21:54.030 --> 00:21:54.250
  • I'm about to rob all of humanity
  • 00:21:54.250 --> 00:21:56.100
  • of their sin, past, present, and
  • 00:21:56.100 --> 00:21:59.040
  • future."
  • 00:21:59.040 --> 00:22:00.210
  • I can imagine him saying,
  • 00:22:00.210 --> 00:22:02.000
  • "Zacchaeus, you don't need to
  • 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:02.270
  • climb a tree to watch me at a
  • 00:22:02.270 --> 00:22:04.120
  • distance because I'm about to
  • 00:22:04.120 --> 00:22:05.270
  • climb a tree myself that's gonna
  • 00:22:05.270 --> 00:22:07.190
  • destroy this divide."
  • 00:22:07.190 --> 00:22:09.040
  • For this is exactly what "The
  • 00:22:09.040 --> 00:22:11.000
  • Heist" is all about.
  • 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:12.100
  • Everything it is that Jesus went
  • 00:22:12.100 --> 00:22:13.280
  • through so that we could get to
  • 00:22:13.280 --> 00:22:16.110
  • him.
  • 00:22:16.110 --> 00:22:17.080
  • Because if it were up to us, we
  • 00:22:17.080 --> 00:22:19.010
  • would stay stuck on the other
  • 00:22:19.010 --> 00:22:20.050
  • side.
  • 00:22:20.050 --> 00:22:21.010
  • But he said, "Let me take from
  • 00:22:21.010 --> 00:22:22.050
  • you what you can't handle on
  • 00:22:22.050 --> 00:22:23.170
  • your own."
  • 00:22:23.170 --> 00:22:24.120
  • I don't know about you but is
  • 00:22:24.120 --> 00:22:25.080
  • anyone else in this room
  • 00:22:25.080 --> 00:22:26.050
  • grateful for the grace of God?
  • 00:22:27.280 --> 00:22:30.280
  • - Chad: I wanna tell you, you
  • 00:22:30.280 --> 00:22:31.230
  • are.
  • 00:22:31.230 --> 00:22:33.010
  • That was unbelievable.
  • 00:22:33.010 --> 00:22:34.290
  • It's beautiful.
  • 00:22:34.290 --> 00:22:35.270
  • - Chris: I'm so excited about
  • 00:22:35.270 --> 00:22:36.180
  • this topic.
  • 00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:37.120
  • I'm excited about the book and,
  • 00:22:37.120 --> 00:22:39.050
  • you know, the book is really
  • 00:22:39.050 --> 00:22:40.110
  • covering this idea of shame.
  • 00:22:40.110 --> 00:22:42.170
  • And you know that psychiatrists
  • 00:22:42.170 --> 00:22:44.260
  • are telling us that, right now,
  • 00:22:44.260 --> 00:22:45.290
  • they're actually blaming shame
  • 00:22:45.290 --> 00:22:48.210
  • for most of people's problems in
  • 00:22:48.210 --> 00:22:49.170
  • the world.
  • 00:22:49.170 --> 00:22:50.070
  • So, first time ever.
  • 00:22:50.070 --> 00:22:51.270
  • In the past, they've never
  • 00:22:51.270 --> 00:22:52.220
  • blamed divorce on shame or they
  • 00:22:52.220 --> 00:22:54.060
  • never blamed depression on
  • 00:22:54.060 --> 00:22:56.150
  • shame.
  • 00:22:56.150 --> 00:22:57.090
  • But now, they're actually
  • 00:22:57.090 --> 00:22:57.280
  • saying, shame is the main result
  • 00:22:57.280 --> 00:22:59.270
  • for depression, for suicide, for
  • 00:22:59.270 --> 00:23:02.150
  • divorce.
  • 00:23:02.150 --> 00:23:03.180
  • And I wanna get to this root
  • 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:05.060
  • because people are actually
  • 00:23:05.060 --> 00:23:06.150
  • saying they're not good enough
  • 00:23:06.150 --> 00:23:08.000
  • to be married, they're not good
  • 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:09.060
  • enough to have what they have.
  • 00:23:09.060 --> 00:23:10.250
  • They feel guilty of their past
  • 00:23:10.250 --> 00:23:12.130
  • mistakes.
  • 00:23:12.130 --> 00:23:13.090
  • And, although we are guilty of
  • 00:23:13.090 --> 00:23:14.160
  • our past mistakes, we serve a
  • 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:15.240
  • God that doesn't treat us as our
  • 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:17.070
  • sins deserve.
  • 00:23:17.070 --> 00:23:18.210
  • So, although you have the shame,
  • 00:23:18.210 --> 00:23:20.040
  • he says, "Give me that shame."
  • 00:23:20.040 --> 00:23:22.150
  • - Chad: Wow, I think what
  • 00:23:22.150 --> 00:23:24.040
  • you're talking about is so
  • 00:23:24.040 --> 00:23:25.200
  • powerful and I think it
  • 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:26.200
  • resonates not just with a few
  • 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:28.010
  • people, but I think all of us.
  • 00:23:28.010 --> 00:23:30.040
  • Because shame is a bully.
  • 00:23:30.040 --> 00:23:32.090
  • Shame points its finger in your
  • 00:23:32.090 --> 00:23:33.190
  • face and says, "You know what
  • 00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:35.190
  • you did.
  • 00:23:35.190 --> 00:23:37.060
  • I can expose you.
  • 00:23:37.060 --> 00:23:39.000
  • Shame--" I just--I love that
  • 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:40.210
  • you're writing about this.
  • 00:23:40.210 --> 00:23:42.020
  • I can't wait to read it.
  • 00:23:42.020 --> 00:23:43.200
  • And I just--I think the whole
  • 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:45.240
  • idea of what you're talking
  • 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:46.230
  • about, the grace of God, having
  • 00:23:46.230 --> 00:23:48.120
  • faith.
  • 00:23:48.120 --> 00:23:49.090
  • Again, you know, I talked about
  • 00:23:49.090 --> 00:23:50.260
  • it a little bit ago, but having
  • 00:23:50.260 --> 00:23:52.170
  • faith in Jesus--I love you
  • 00:23:52.170 --> 00:23:55.090
  • because you strike me as such a
  • 00:23:55.090 --> 00:23:56.160
  • person of faith, and when I
  • 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:59.130
  • think about your faith, I always
  • 00:23:59.130 --> 00:24:00.290
  • go back to that story with your
  • 00:24:00.290 --> 00:24:02.260
  • son, and I want you to tell that
  • 00:24:02.260 --> 00:24:05.000
  • story again because I
  • 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:06.050
  • always--every time I hear you
  • 00:24:06.050 --> 00:24:07.170
  • tell it, I get more faith of
  • 00:24:07.170 --> 00:24:09.170
  • what God can do, just by
  • 00:24:09.170 --> 00:24:11.120
  • believing in him.
  • 00:24:11.120 --> 00:24:12.180
  • - Chris: You're gonna make me
  • 00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:13.090
  • cry.
  • 00:24:13.090 --> 00:24:14.150
  • I think about, yes, it was about
  • 00:24:14.150 --> 00:24:16.090
  • 5 years ago, my son Dylan.
  • 00:24:16.100 --> 00:24:19.100
  • It was a regular Saturday night
  • 00:24:19.100 --> 00:24:20.160
  • in our home.
  • 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:21.070
  • I fell asleep with my son,
  • 00:24:21.070 --> 00:24:22.190
  • watching "SpongeBob, like we
  • 00:24:22.190 --> 00:24:23.240
  • normally did on Saturday nights,
  • 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:25.250
  • and I woke up a few hours later
  • 00:24:25.250 --> 00:24:27.220
  • to the sound of my wife
  • 00:24:27.220 --> 00:24:29.080
  • hysterical, crying.
  • 00:24:29.080 --> 00:24:30.260
  • And as I woke up, I was strucken
  • 00:24:30.260 --> 00:24:32.070
  • by her cries, I noticed that my
  • 00:24:32.070 --> 00:24:34.040
  • son Dylan, he has these bruises
  • 00:24:34.040 --> 00:24:36.140
  • all over his body.
  • 00:24:36.140 --> 00:24:37.220
  • I mean, his hands, his arms, his
  • 00:24:37.220 --> 00:24:39.130
  • eyes.
  • 00:24:39.130 --> 00:24:40.190
  • In this moment, it looked like
  • 00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:41.190
  • Dylan had been run over by a car
  • 00:24:41.190 --> 00:24:43.160
  • and it didn't make sense because
  • 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:44.220
  • only a few minutes ago, he was
  • 00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:46.020
  • completely fine.
  • 00:24:46.020 --> 00:24:47.150
  • So we rush him to the hospital,
  • 00:24:47.150 --> 00:24:49.090
  • only to find out that Dylan has
  • 00:24:49.090 --> 00:24:50.170
  • a rare blood disease called ITP.
  • 00:24:50.170 --> 00:24:53.170
  • Now, ITP is a disease that can
  • 00:24:53.170 --> 00:24:56.090
  • spur out of nowhere and what it
  • 00:24:56.090 --> 00:24:57.260
  • really means is that Dylan's
  • 00:24:57.260 --> 00:24:59.200
  • blood platelets were extremely
  • 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:00.290
  • low and they were dropping by
  • 00:25:00.290 --> 00:25:02.130
  • the second.
  • 00:25:02.130 --> 00:25:03.240
  • See, a normal healthy human
  • 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.050
  • being would have a blood
  • 00:25:05.050 --> 00:25:06.060
  • platelet count of 250.000.
  • 00:25:06.060 --> 00:25:08.200
  • Well, in this moment, Chad,
  • 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:09.170
  • Dylan's blood platelets were at
  • 00:25:09.170 --> 00:25:10.270
  • 18.000.
  • 00:25:10.270 --> 00:25:13.000
  • They say, "You know what, Mr.
  • 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:13.250
  • Durso and Mrs. Durso, I want you
  • 00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:15.140
  • to stay overnight in the
  • 00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:16.130
  • hospital.
  • 00:25:16.130 --> 00:25:17.080
  • We're gonna give him some
  • 00:25:17.080 --> 00:25:18.090
  • medicine.
  • 00:25:18.090 --> 00:25:19.050
  • We're gonna try something out on
  • 00:25:19.050 --> 00:25:19.290
  • him.
  • 00:25:19.290 --> 00:25:20.180
  • He should be fine by the
  • 00:25:20.180 --> 00:25:21.080
  • morning."
  • 00:25:21.080 --> 00:25:22.050
  • Morning comes, they come back,
  • 00:25:22.050 --> 00:25:23.220
  • and they say, "Man, that didn't
  • 00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:24.270
  • work.
  • 00:25:24.270 --> 00:25:25.240
  • We're gonna try something else.
  • 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.120
  • His blood platelets are now at
  • 00:25:27.120 --> 00:25:28.100
  • 11.000.
  • 00:25:28.100 --> 00:25:29.240
  • They dropped overnight but we
  • 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:31.010
  • know what, I think if we give
  • 00:25:31.010 --> 00:25:32.090
  • him this treatment, he'll be
  • 00:25:32.090 --> 00:25:33.150
  • fine by the morning."
  • 00:25:33.150 --> 00:25:35.060
  • Morning comes.
  • 00:25:35.060 --> 00:25:36.100
  • They're now down to 7000 and
  • 00:25:36.100 --> 00:25:38.160
  • they're saying, "You know, we're
  • 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:39.120
  • gonna give him something this
  • 00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:40.080
  • time, and this one almost always
  • 00:25:40.080 --> 00:25:41.130
  • works.
  • 00:25:41.130 --> 00:25:42.290
  • We're gonna do it now."
  • 00:25:42.290 --> 00:25:43.190
  • Well, later that evening, the
  • 00:25:43.190 --> 00:25:46.080
  • doctor walks in and says, "Well,
  • 00:25:46.080 --> 00:25:47.080
  • you better get used to being
  • 00:25:47.080 --> 00:25:48.070
  • here.
  • 00:25:48.070 --> 00:25:49.080
  • Dylan's blood platelets are now
  • 00:25:49.080 --> 00:25:50.070
  • at 3000."
  • 00:25:50.070 --> 00:25:52.080
  • Three thousand, which meant
  • 00:25:52.080 --> 00:25:53.260
  • anything lower than that would
  • 00:25:53.260 --> 00:25:54.280
  • be considered leukemia.
  • 00:25:54.280 --> 00:25:56.190
  • So they say to us, "You know
  • 00:25:56.190 --> 00:25:57.140
  • what, we're gonna have to
  • 00:25:57.140 --> 00:25:58.120
  • schedule a spinal tap, and we're
  • 00:25:58.120 --> 00:26:00.100
  • gonna have to possibly remove
  • 00:26:00.100 --> 00:26:01.130
  • his spleen."
  • 00:26:01.130 --> 00:26:03.280
  • It was in that moment where I
  • 00:26:03.280 --> 00:26:04.250
  • got completely overwhelmed and I
  • 00:26:04.250 --> 00:26:07.100
  • walked out of the hospital room
  • 00:26:07.100 --> 00:26:09.060
  • and I had a conversation with
  • 00:26:09.060 --> 00:26:10.010
  • God and I started to say to God,
  • 00:26:10.010 --> 00:26:12.160
  • "This is why I didn't wanna be a
  • 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:13.130
  • pastor."
  • 00:26:13.130 --> 00:26:14.120
  • You know, originally what I just
  • 00:26:14.120 --> 00:26:15.100
  • shared a few moments ago about
  • 00:26:15.100 --> 00:26:16.130
  • my story, I ran from my calling
  • 00:26:16.130 --> 00:26:19.110
  • because I knew all the weight
  • 00:26:19.110 --> 00:26:20.250
  • and the responsibility and how
  • 00:26:20.250 --> 00:26:21.280
  • the enemy does not play fair.
  • 00:26:21.280 --> 00:26:23.140
  • I didn't wanna deal with that.
  • 00:26:23.140 --> 00:26:24.220
  • And I remember saying to God,
  • 00:26:24.220 --> 00:26:25.190
  • "Why me?
  • 00:26:25.190 --> 00:26:26.220
  • Why my son?"
  • 00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:28.020
  • Well, it was in that moment
  • 00:26:28.020 --> 00:26:29.170
  • where I got a phone call from
  • 00:26:29.170 --> 00:26:31.050
  • you.
  • 00:26:31.050 --> 00:26:32.220
  • And, to be honest with you, I
  • 00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:33.270
  • was trying to deny the call
  • 00:26:33.270 --> 00:26:35.230
  • because there was someone else I
  • 00:26:35.230 --> 00:26:36.150
  • needed to call.
  • 00:26:36.150 --> 00:26:37.060
  • I love you and I love hearing
  • 00:26:37.060 --> 00:26:38.060
  • your voice but in that moment I
  • 00:26:38.060 --> 00:26:39.200
  • needed to hear someone else.
  • 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:40.170
  • But the funny thing is I
  • 00:26:40.170 --> 00:26:41.200
  • couldn't--it wouldn't go away.
  • 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:43.200
  • It was like my phone broke, so I
  • 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.140
  • thought.
  • 00:26:45.140 --> 00:26:46.150
  • So I go to pick up and I go to
  • 00:26:46.150 --> 00:26:47.290
  • tell you, "Hey, I'm gonna call
  • 00:26:47.290 --> 00:26:49.090
  • you back in a few moments," but
  • 00:26:49.090 --> 00:26:50.250
  • you're such a quick talker that
  • 00:26:50.250 --> 00:26:52.060
  • you got to me first.
  • 00:26:52.060 --> 00:26:53.240
  • And you say, "Hey, Chris, I'm
  • 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.000
  • here with a good friend of mine
  • 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.090
  • named Pastor Jude.
  • 00:26:56.090 --> 00:26:57.180
  • Pastor Jude wants to talk to
  • 00:26:57.180 --> 00:26:58.270
  • you."
  • 00:26:58.270 --> 00:26:59.190
  • Pastor Jude jumps on the phone,
  • 00:26:59.190 --> 00:27:00.230
  • and you remember this moment.
  • 00:27:00.230 --> 00:27:01.270
  • He gets on the phone, he says,
  • 00:27:01.270 --> 00:27:02.230
  • "Chris, I heard about your
  • 00:27:02.230 --> 00:27:03.230
  • situation.
  • 00:27:03.230 --> 00:27:04.290
  • I want you to know that last
  • 00:27:04.290 --> 00:27:06.080
  • month I was with a pastor in a
  • 00:27:06.080 --> 00:27:08.000
  • similar situation.
  • 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:09.120
  • I prayed over his son and his
  • 00:27:09.120 --> 00:27:11.070
  • son was healed the very next
  • 00:27:11.070 --> 00:27:12.160
  • day."
  • 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:13.150
  • And he said, "Here's what's
  • 00:27:13.150 --> 00:27:14.130
  • gonna happen.
  • 00:27:14.130 --> 00:27:15.220
  • I'm gonna pray over your son and
  • 00:27:15.220 --> 00:27:17.210
  • by 10 a.m. tomorrow morning,
  • 00:27:17.210 --> 00:27:19.160
  • Dylan will be healed."
  • 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:21.120
  • In that moment, we prayed, we
  • 00:27:21.120 --> 00:27:23.020
  • cried, we said, "Amen."
  • 00:27:23.020 --> 00:27:25.130
  • I went to bed, only to wake up
  • 00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:27.050
  • the next morning to the doctors
  • 00:27:27.050 --> 00:27:28.200
  • and the nurses screaming.
  • 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.100
  • At 9 a.m., Dylan's blood
  • 00:27:30.100 --> 00:27:31.190
  • platelets went up overnight.
  • 00:27:31.190 --> 00:27:33.280
  • Right back up to 250.000.
  • 00:27:34.280 --> 00:27:37.280
  • Man, I--when I hear that story,
  • 00:27:39.070 --> 00:27:42.070
  • it spurs up faith in me.
  • 00:27:42.070 --> 00:27:44.000
  • Because for so long I would
  • 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.160
  • believe for someone else's
  • 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:46.170
  • miracle but it was hard for me
  • 00:27:46.170 --> 00:27:48.090
  • to believe it for myself.
  • 00:27:48.090 --> 00:27:49.260
  • It was easy for me to talk about
  • 00:27:49.260 --> 00:27:50.270
  • grace and forgiveness for
  • 00:27:50.270 --> 00:27:52.140
  • somebody else, but it was
  • 00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:53.180
  • difficult for me to believe it
  • 00:27:53.180 --> 00:27:55.000
  • for myself.
  • 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:56.020
  • It was easy for me to say, "Man,
  • 00:27:56.020 --> 00:27:57.100
  • your child's gonna be healed,"
  • 00:27:57.100 --> 00:27:58.250
  • or "Your marriage is gonna be
  • 00:27:58.250 --> 00:27:59.250
  • healed," but when I was going
  • 00:27:59.250 --> 00:28:01.030
  • through that moment, when I was
  • 00:28:01.030 --> 00:28:02.140
  • going through that, so, man,
  • 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:03.240
  • thank God for your faith.
  • 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.050
  • Because your faith encouraged
  • 00:28:05.050 --> 00:28:06.030
  • me.
  • 00:28:06.030 --> 00:28:07.050
  • It was because of your faith and
  • 00:28:07.050 --> 00:28:08.000
  • your willingness to step out
  • 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:09.180
  • that I thought to myself, "You
  • 00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:10.230
  • And just because I'm going
  • 00:28:12.290 --> 00:28:14.070
  • through it doesn't mean that it
  • 00:28:14.070 --> 00:28:15.120
  • has to end here."
  • 00:28:15.120 --> 00:28:17.030
  • Remember the story of Lazarus?
  • 00:28:17.030 --> 00:28:18.280
  • will not end in death."
  • 00:28:21.100 --> 00:28:22.160
  • Death was a part of the process,
  • 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:24.060
  • but it doesn't always have to
  • 00:28:24.060 --> 00:28:25.040
  • end in death.
  • 00:28:25.040 --> 00:28:26.150
  • And the fact of the matter is we
  • 00:28:26.150 --> 00:28:27.190
  • serve a God that conquers death.
  • 00:28:27.190 --> 00:28:30.160
  • So even when you feel like it's
  • 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:31.140
  • the most deadliest situation, if
  • 00:28:31.190 --> 00:28:34.190
  • you just put your hope in Jesus,
  • 00:28:34.190 --> 00:28:36.020
  • you can deal with death, you can
  • 00:28:36.020 --> 00:28:37.160
  • walk through the valleys of the
  • 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:38.190
  • shadows of death.
  • 00:28:38.190 --> 00:28:39.260
  • But remember, you're walking
  • 00:28:39.260 --> 00:28:40.230
  • through; you can make it out.
  • 00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:42.170
  • - Chad: Wow, you know, one of
  • 00:28:42.170 --> 00:28:44.130
  • the things that stood out to me
  • 00:28:44.130 --> 00:28:45.210
  • from that phone call.
  • 00:28:45.210 --> 00:28:47.200
  • I don't know if you remember
  • 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:48.150
  • this phrase.
  • 00:28:48.150 --> 00:28:49.240
  • And I wanna pause here in just a
  • 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.210
  • moment.
  • 00:28:51.210 --> 00:28:52.140
  • I wanna ask you to pray for
  • 00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:53.080
  • people.
  • 00:28:53.080 --> 00:28:54.120
  • 'Cause I believe what Pastor
  • 00:28:54.120 --> 00:28:56.090
  • Jude said on the phone that day
  • 00:28:56.090 --> 00:28:57.110
  • is true today.
  • 00:28:57.110 --> 00:28:59.090
  • And he said, "The presence of
  • 00:28:59.150 --> 00:29:02.170
  • God abides in the ark of the
  • 00:29:02.170 --> 00:29:04.230
  • testimony."
  • 00:29:04.230 --> 00:29:05.260
  • When he said it on the phone, I
  • 00:29:05.260 --> 00:29:07.170
  • didn't understand.
  • 00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:08.170
  • When we hung up with you, I had
  • 00:29:08.170 --> 00:29:09.200
  • to ask him, "Can you explain
  • 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:10.230
  • that to me?
  • 00:29:10.230 --> 00:29:12.210
  • That's--it's too big for me to
  • 00:29:12.210 --> 00:29:13.290
  • understand."
  • 00:29:13.290 --> 00:29:14.200
  • He said, "Well, it's easy.
  • 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:15.200
  • The presence of God, when God's
  • 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.060
  • presence comes, it always
  • 00:29:17.060 --> 00:29:19.060
  • abides, it's waiting to fall
  • 00:29:19.060 --> 00:29:20.160
  • over, on the ark of the
  • 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.160
  • testimony."
  • 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:23.130
  • Translation: when someone tells
  • 00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:25.030
  • their story about how good God
  • 00:29:25.030 --> 00:29:27.100
  • has been to them, the presence
  • 00:29:27.100 --> 00:29:29.270
  • of God has to fall.
  • 00:29:29.270 --> 00:29:31.280
  • And right now, I can sense
  • 00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:33.000
  • faith.
  • 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.000
  • And I wanna--I want you to look
  • 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:35.000
  • in the camera.
  • 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:35.230
  • I want you to pray for anybody
  • 00:29:35.230 --> 00:29:37.010
  • right now that's maybe facing a
  • 00:29:37.010 --> 00:29:38.010
  • similar situation.
  • 00:29:38.010 --> 00:29:39.220
  • Maybe someone that's watching on
  • 00:29:39.220 --> 00:29:40.260
  • TV, going, "I'm going through
  • 00:29:40.260 --> 00:29:42.130
  • the worst time I've ever gone
  • 00:29:42.130 --> 00:29:43.250
  • through."
  • 00:29:43.250 --> 00:29:44.190
  • And you just told your story of
  • 00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:45.190
  • what God can do for you.
  • 00:29:45.190 --> 00:29:47.110
  • Would you take a moment and pray
  • 00:29:47.110 --> 00:29:48.200
  • and let's believe that God will
  • 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.100
  • do--what he did for you, he'll
  • 00:29:50.100 --> 00:29:51.260
  • do it for them.
  • 00:29:51.260 --> 00:29:52.210
  • - Chris: Absolutely.
  • 00:29:52.210 --> 00:29:53.170
  • - Chad: C'mon, let's pray.
  • 00:29:53.170 --> 00:29:54.110
  • - Chris: I don't know who I'm
  • 00:29:54.110 --> 00:29:55.020
  • talking to.
  • 00:29:55.020 --> 00:29:55.210
  • I don't know what you're dealing
  • 00:29:55.210 --> 00:29:56.200
  • with, but here's what I know.
  • 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.020
  • Regardless of your problem,
  • 00:29:58.020 --> 00:29:59.120
  • regardless of your dilemma,
  • 00:29:59.120 --> 00:30:00.290
  • regardless of the season you're
  • 00:30:00.290 --> 00:30:02.070
  • in, our God is always the
  • 00:30:02.070 --> 00:30:04.010
  • answer, and the answer is Jesus.
  • 00:30:04.010 --> 00:30:06.270
  • So, right now, if you're
  • 00:30:06.270 --> 00:30:07.260
  • watching at home, I want you to
  • 00:30:07.260 --> 00:30:09.100
  • stretch out your hands towards
  • 00:30:09.100 --> 00:30:10.190
  • the screen because although
  • 00:30:10.190 --> 00:30:11.260
  • we're not in the room, here's
  • 00:30:11.260 --> 00:30:13.010
  • what I believe.
  • 00:30:13.010 --> 00:30:13.270
  • That Jesus is close at the
  • 00:30:13.270 --> 00:30:15.010
  • mention of his name.
  • 00:30:15.010 --> 00:30:16.180
  • He could fall in your living
  • 00:30:16.180 --> 00:30:17.210
  • room.
  • 00:30:17.210 --> 00:30:18.100
  • He could fall wherever you're at
  • 00:30:18.100 --> 00:30:19.090
  • right now.
  • 00:30:19.090 --> 00:30:20.010
  • And he could help you through
  • 00:30:20.010 --> 00:30:21.030
  • your situation.
  • 00:30:21.030 --> 00:30:22.060
  • Father God, we come before you
  • 00:30:22.060 --> 00:30:23.040
  • right now, and we tell you that
  • 00:30:23.040 --> 00:30:25.070
  • we love you.
  • 00:30:25.070 --> 00:30:26.290
  • We've heard stories tonight, O
  • 00:30:26.290 --> 00:30:28.140
  • God, of your miraculous working
  • 00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:30.070
  • power and here's what we know.
  • 00:30:30.070 --> 00:30:32.010
  • If it was true for somebody
  • 00:30:32.010 --> 00:30:33.080
  • else, it can be true for us.
  • 00:30:33.080 --> 00:30:35.170
  • You don't just--you don't
  • 00:30:35.170 --> 00:30:36.190
  • disqualify somebody.
  • 00:30:36.190 --> 00:30:37.290
  • You say, "I could heal all my
  • 00:30:37.290 --> 00:30:38.250
  • people.
  • 00:30:38.250 --> 00:30:39.160
  • If all my people were to come to
  • 00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:40.290
  • me, if they were to call out my
  • 00:30:40.290 --> 00:30:42.010
  • name," you would do only what
  • 00:30:42.010 --> 00:30:43.290
  • you could do.
  • 00:30:43.290 --> 00:30:45.000
  • So, God, we say in the power of
  • 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.060
  • the name of Jesus Christ,
  • 00:30:46.060 --> 00:30:48.000
  • wherever there needs to be
  • 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:49.000
  • healing, I pray that you heal.
  • 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:50.240
  • Wherever there needs to be
  • 00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:51.230
  • restoration, I pray that you
  • 00:30:51.230 --> 00:30:53.050
  • restore.
  • 00:30:53.050 --> 00:30:54.060
  • Whatever was broken, I pray you
  • 00:30:54.060 --> 00:30:55.200
  • make it whole right now.
  • 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.080
  • For the marriage that was about
  • 00:30:57.080 --> 00:30:58.070
  • to break up, in the name of
  • 00:30:58.070 --> 00:30:59.240
  • Jesus, would you bring them
  • 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:01.230
  • together.
  • 00:31:01.230 --> 00:31:03.180
  • For the backslidden son, for the
  • 00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:04.230
  • backslidden daughter, for the
  • 00:31:04.230 --> 00:31:05.270
  • one that ran away and is maybe
  • 00:31:05.270 --> 00:31:07.230
  • watching this at a friend's
  • 00:31:07.230 --> 00:31:09.000
  • house right now, God, I pray
  • 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:10.240
  • that you give them that peace
  • 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.000
  • that surpasses all
  • 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:12.180
  • understanding.
  • 00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:14.120
  • No matter their situation, no
  • 00:31:14.120 --> 00:31:15.190
  • matter what they're doing, God,
  • 00:31:15.190 --> 00:31:17.060
  • I pray, O God, that you would
  • 00:31:17.060 --> 00:31:18.240
  • meet them, overwhelm them in
  • 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.060
  • your grace, and give them a
  • 00:31:21.060 --> 00:31:23.000
  • miracle right now in the
  • 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:24.220
  • precious and powerful name of
  • 00:31:24.220 --> 00:31:26.280
  • Jesus Christ.
  • 00:31:26.280 --> 00:31:28.060
  • - Chad: Amen, unbelievable.
  • 00:31:28.060 --> 00:31:30.160
  • Thank you so much.
  • 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.140
  • You know, what I love about you
  • 00:31:33.140 --> 00:31:36.140
  • so much is you're a New Yorker
  • 00:31:36.140 --> 00:31:38.060
  • through and through.
  • 00:31:38.060 --> 00:31:39.120
  • And New Yorkers play no games.
  • 00:31:39.120 --> 00:31:41.200
  • And I love that you're a New
  • 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.100
  • Yorker that's pretty passionate
  • 00:31:43.100 --> 00:31:45.100
  • about your faith in Jesus, and I
  • 00:31:45.100 --> 00:31:47.070
  • just--I wanna say thank you.
  • 00:31:47.070 --> 00:31:48.240
  • Thank you for being who you are,
  • 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:50.240
  • writing these messages, and
  • 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.230
  • preaching, and living a life
  • 00:31:52.230 --> 00:31:54.290
  • that people like me can look and
  • 00:31:54.290 --> 00:31:56.050
  • go, "If God can do it through
  • 00:31:56.050 --> 00:31:58.020
  • him, I can relate with that guy,
  • 00:31:58.020 --> 00:31:59.290
  • and so God could do something
  • 00:31:59.290 --> 00:32:01.100
  • for me."
  • 00:32:01.100 --> 00:32:02.110
  • And so, thank you so much for
  • 00:32:02.110 --> 00:32:04.060
  • coming on and being on with us
  • 00:32:04.060 --> 00:32:05.120
  • today.
  • 00:32:05.120 --> 00:32:06.050
  • Hey, I've got--yeah, we can put
  • 00:32:06.050 --> 00:32:07.080
  • our hands together for Pastor
  • 00:32:07.080 --> 00:32:09.200
  • Chris one more time.
  • 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.210
  • I think it's appropriate.
  • 00:32:12.040 --> 00:32:15.040
  • Hey, we've got one more guest
  • 00:32:15.040 --> 00:32:16.140
  • coming on and I hope you'll
  • 00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:17.200
  • stick around because my friend
  • 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:18.260
  • Jimi Cravity's coming on.
  • 00:32:18.260 --> 00:32:20.160
  • I want you to check out this
  • 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:21.110
  • video and then we'll bring him
  • 00:32:21.110 --> 00:32:22.090
  • on.
  • 00:32:22.090 --> 00:32:23.020
  • Check out this video of Jimi
  • 00:32:23.020 --> 00:32:23.220
  • [music]
  • 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:27.180
  • You are, you are,
  • 00:32:27.180 --> 00:32:28.220
  • you are, you are
  • 00:32:28.220 --> 00:32:31.030
  • the beacon of heaven.
  • 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.160
  • You are, you are,
  • 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:36.220
  • you are, you are
  • 00:32:36.220 --> 00:32:39.090
  • the beacon of heaven,
  • 00:32:40.210 --> 00:32:43.210
  • of heaven.
  • 00:32:44.180 --> 00:32:47.180
  • You are, you are,
  • 00:32:47.180 --> 00:32:48.220
  • the beacon of heaven,
  • 00:32:52.210 --> 00:32:55.210
  • of heaven.
  • 00:32:55.210 --> 00:32:58.120
  • every knee will bow.
  • 00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:10.140
  • Every knee,
  • 00:33:13.100 --> 00:33:16.100
  • - Chad: Unbelievable,
  • 00:33:32.110 --> 00:33:33.130
  • unbelievable.
  • 00:33:33.130 --> 00:33:35.260
  • That--I mean, that's, like, the
  • 00:33:35.260 --> 00:33:37.000
  • coolest video I've ever seen.
  • 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:38.220
  • - Jimi Cravity: Thank you.
  • 00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:39.220
  • Thank you so much.
  • 00:33:39.220 --> 00:33:40.210
  • - Chad: And you're--I wanna go
  • 00:33:40.210 --> 00:33:41.170
  • and, you know, just come out and
  • 00:33:41.170 --> 00:33:42.280
  • say, "I think you're making
  • 00:33:42.280 --> 00:33:44.060
  • Christianity cool," like, what
  • 00:33:44.060 --> 00:33:45.290
  • was that?
  • 00:33:45.290 --> 00:33:46.230
  • That was amazing.
  • 00:33:46.230 --> 00:33:47.240
  • Hey, thanks so much for coming
  • 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:49.180
  • on and all the way from
  • 00:33:49.180 --> 00:33:51.240
  • Hot-lanta.
  • 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.010
  • And I know that you're a part of
  • 00:33:53.010 --> 00:33:54.010
  • Pastor Louie and Shelley
  • 00:33:54.010 --> 00:33:55.240
  • Giglio's church down there,
  • 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.000
  • Passion City Church.
  • 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.150
  • Congratulations on the success
  • 00:33:58.150 --> 00:33:59.210
  • of the release of your album.
  • 00:33:59.210 --> 00:34:01.120
  • - Jimi: Thank you so much.
  • 00:34:01.120 --> 00:34:02.110
  • - Chad: I love the name 'cause
  • 00:34:02.110 --> 00:34:03.180
  • we--I think we're going there.
  • 00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:04.260
  • - Jimi: Yeah, we are.
  • 00:34:04.260 --> 00:34:05.220
  • - Chad: Tell everybody what you
  • 00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:06.140
  • named your album.
  • 00:34:06.140 --> 00:34:07.030
  • - Jimi: Yeah, I named it
  • 00:34:07.030 --> 00:34:07.220
  • "Heaven."
  • 00:34:07.220 --> 00:34:08.180
  • - Chad: Yeah, and I'm excited.
  • 00:34:08.180 --> 00:34:11.130
  • I think we're gonna go.
  • 00:34:11.130 --> 00:34:12.240
  • - Jimi: We are.
  • 00:34:12.240 --> 00:34:13.210
  • - Chad: I think it's gonna be
  • 00:34:13.210 --> 00:34:14.120
  • better than here.
  • 00:34:14.120 --> 00:34:15.060
  • - Jimi: Absolutely.
  • 00:34:15.060 --> 00:34:16.010
  • It's gonna be way better than
  • 00:34:16.010 --> 00:34:16.240
  • here.
  • 00:34:16.240 --> 00:34:17.130
  • - Chad: Do you think we're
  • 00:34:17.130 --> 00:34:18.030
  • gonna wear fedoras in heaven?
  • 00:34:18.030 --> 00:34:19.030
  • - Jimi: You know what?
  • 00:34:19.030 --> 00:34:19.270
  • I think our fashion in heaven is
  • 00:34:19.270 --> 00:34:21.060
  • gonna be so other-worldly that
  • 00:34:21.060 --> 00:34:23.250
  • we just won't even know what
  • 00:34:23.250 --> 00:34:25.020
  • we're gonna expect.
  • 00:34:25.020 --> 00:34:26.020
  • - Chad: I'm personally excited
  • 00:34:26.020 --> 00:34:26.280
  • for the glorious body.
  • 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:27.260
  • Anyway--
  • 00:34:27.260 --> 00:34:29.200
  • - Jimi: You're pretty close
  • 00:34:29.200 --> 00:34:30.100
  • now, man.
  • 00:34:30.100 --> 00:34:31.170
  • - Chad: Ha, I appreciate it.
  • 00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:32.140
  • those of, you know, people tuned
  • 00:34:34.220 --> 00:34:36.070
  • in that might not know you.
  • 00:34:36.070 --> 00:34:37.290
  • Tell everybody your story a
  • 00:34:37.290 --> 00:34:38.190
  • little bit.
  • 00:34:38.190 --> 00:34:39.100
  • - Jimi: Sure, sure.
  • 00:34:39.100 --> 00:34:40.080
  • Jimi Cravity, Atlanta native,
  • 00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:42.150
  • I'm a musician, songwriter.
  • 00:34:42.150 --> 00:34:45.110
  • Love music.
  • 00:34:45.110 --> 00:34:46.180
  • Started playing when I was in
  • 00:34:46.180 --> 00:34:47.090
  • middle school.
  • 00:34:47.090 --> 00:34:48.220
  • Heard the sound of a guitar and
  • 00:34:48.220 --> 00:34:50.000
  • fell in love with it.
  • 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:51.100
  • And decided, "Hey, I want to
  • 00:34:51.100 --> 00:34:52.060
  • make this my career.
  • 00:34:52.060 --> 00:34:54.110
  • And I wanna make songs that are
  • 00:34:54.110 --> 00:34:56.180
  • for the world, that are for the
  • 00:34:56.180 --> 00:34:58.060
  • globe."
  • 00:34:58.060 --> 00:34:59.100
  • So, even going back to heaven,
  • 00:34:59.100 --> 00:35:00.200
  • when I think of heaven, I think
  • 00:35:00.200 --> 00:35:01.230
  • of thunder and lightning and I
  • 00:35:01.230 --> 00:35:03.080
  • think of might and I think of
  • 00:35:03.080 --> 00:35:04.210
  • pure worship.
  • 00:35:04.210 --> 00:35:06.020
  • And I think of rock 'n' roll.
  • 00:35:06.020 --> 00:35:07.210
  • And I feel like all of these
  • 00:35:07.210 --> 00:35:08.210
  • things together is what we'll
  • 00:35:08.210 --> 00:35:10.140
  • experience there, but--so I grew
  • 00:35:10.140 --> 00:35:12.050
  • up as a musician.
  • 00:35:12.050 --> 00:35:13.120
  • Around the time that I picked up
  • 00:35:13.120 --> 00:35:14.110
  • the guitar was around the time
  • 00:35:14.110 --> 00:35:16.130
  • that the gospel landed on me in
  • 00:35:16.130 --> 00:35:18.100
  • a powerful way.
  • 00:35:18.100 --> 00:35:19.270
  • As a teenager, I can remember
  • 00:35:19.270 --> 00:35:21.010
  • going to a church camp and
  • 00:35:21.010 --> 00:35:23.110
  • feeling--seeing Christ as
  • 00:35:23.140 --> 00:35:26.140
  • treasure.
  • 00:35:26.140 --> 00:35:27.290
  • Seeing Christ as someone that I
  • 00:35:27.290 --> 00:35:30.120
  • needed as a friend.
  • 00:35:30.120 --> 00:35:31.240
  • And I accepted him into my life.
  • 00:35:31.240 --> 00:35:33.260
  • Been walking with him ever
  • 00:35:33.260 --> 00:35:34.230
  • since.
  • 00:35:34.230 --> 00:35:35.250
  • - Chad: That's amazing.
  • 00:35:35.250 --> 00:35:36.230
  • So cool.
  • 00:35:37.100 --> 00:35:40.100
  • That's so great.
  • 00:35:40.100 --> 00:35:42.200
  • How old were you?
  • 00:35:42.200 --> 00:35:44.010
  • - Jimi: I was 12 years old.
  • 00:35:44.010 --> 00:35:45.050
  • - Chad: Twelve?
  • 00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:45.290
  • So, you beat me.
  • 00:35:45.290 --> 00:35:46.220
  • I was 16 and Chris, he was a
  • 00:35:46.220 --> 00:35:49.110
  • late guy.
  • 00:35:49.110 --> 00:35:50.110
  • I mean, 19 years old.
  • 00:35:50.110 --> 00:35:52.050
  • So, I feel, like, you know,
  • 00:35:52.050 --> 00:35:53.260
  • we're getting extra in heaven,
  • 00:35:53.260 --> 00:35:55.140
  • okay.
  • 00:35:55.140 --> 00:35:56.080
  • - Chris: You're closer to me
  • 00:35:56.080 --> 00:35:57.000
  • than him.
  • 00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:57.290
  • - Chad: Hey, so--right,
  • 00:35:57.290 --> 00:35:59.080
  • actually.
  • 00:35:59.080 --> 00:36:00.100
  • So, Jimi, tell me, you're 12
  • 00:36:00.100 --> 00:36:02.220
  • years old, you have this
  • 00:36:02.220 --> 00:36:04.030
  • understanding that Jesus is
  • 00:36:04.030 --> 00:36:06.110
  • real, he's treasure.
  • 00:36:06.110 --> 00:36:08.150
  • How does your faith play out
  • 00:36:08.150 --> 00:36:10.010
  • after that, 12 years old?
  • 00:36:10.010 --> 00:36:11.220
  • - Jimi: Sure, as I'm, you know,
  • 00:36:11.220 --> 00:36:13.190
  • go through high school, go
  • 00:36:13.190 --> 00:36:15.040
  • through college and around that
  • 00:36:15.040 --> 00:36:17.050
  • time is where I intersected with
  • 00:36:17.050 --> 00:36:19.150
  • the Passion Movement, 268
  • 00:36:19.150 --> 00:36:21.240
  • Generation.
  • 00:36:21.240 --> 00:36:22.260
  • And I heard, you know, yes,
  • 00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:24.090
  • Lord, walking in the way of your
  • 00:36:24.090 --> 00:36:25.150
  • truth, we wait eagerly for you
  • 00:36:25.150 --> 00:36:27.260
  • because your name and your
  • 00:36:27.260 --> 00:36:28.240
  • renown, the desire of our souls.
  • 00:36:29.030 --> 00:36:32.030
  • And I thought, "Man, that's a
  • 00:36:32.030 --> 00:36:33.080
  • vision for my life.
  • 00:36:33.080 --> 00:36:34.220
  • I want that to be true about my
  • 00:36:34.220 --> 00:36:35.220
  • life."
  • 00:36:35.220 --> 00:36:36.190
  • And so I, you know, went to
  • 00:36:36.190 --> 00:36:38.070
  • college, and then I decided, you
  • 00:36:38.070 --> 00:36:40.070
  • know, I wanna be a musician.
  • 00:36:40.070 --> 00:36:41.200
  • I wanna be an artist.
  • 00:36:41.200 --> 00:36:42.260
  • - Chad: That's so cool.
  • 00:36:42.260 --> 00:36:43.210
  • - Jimi: I want to make art that
  • 00:36:43.210 --> 00:36:44.160
  • lifts humanity.
  • 00:36:44.160 --> 00:36:46.000
  • So I started on that, started
  • 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:46.250
  • writing songs.
  • 00:36:46.250 --> 00:36:48.120
  • And some of the songs got picked
  • 00:36:48.120 --> 00:36:49.180
  • up on different artists, you
  • 00:36:49.180 --> 00:36:50.260
  • know.
  • 00:36:50.260 --> 00:36:51.190
  • Had a chance to collaborate with
  • 00:36:51.190 --> 00:36:52.250
  • Ludacris and Usher.
  • 00:36:52.250 --> 00:36:54.220
  • I had the chance to collaborate
  • 00:36:54.220 --> 00:36:55.280
  • with Alien Ant Farm.
  • 00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.170
  • And so, just started writing
  • 00:36:57.170 --> 00:36:58.170
  • songs and then, you know, what
  • 00:36:58.170 --> 00:37:01.000
  • came about is I got connected
  • 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.120
  • with sixstepsrecords and Capitol
  • 00:37:03.120 --> 00:37:05.060
  • Records and they heard the
  • 00:37:05.060 --> 00:37:06.160
  • "Heaven" EP and was just in awe
  • 00:37:06.160 --> 00:37:09.080
  • of it.
  • 00:37:09.080 --> 00:37:10.040
  • And they said, "We wanna
  • 00:37:10.040 --> 00:37:11.010
  • champion this music because we
  • 00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:12.070
  • feel like this is the future."
  • 00:37:12.070 --> 00:37:13.290
  • - Chad: That's so great.
  • 00:37:13.290 --> 00:37:14.220
  • So great.
  • 00:37:14.220 --> 00:37:15.160
  • Well, I love it.
  • 00:37:15.160 --> 00:37:16.220
  • I absolutely love it.
  • 00:37:16.220 --> 00:37:18.230
  • I love the whole thing.
  • 00:37:18.230 --> 00:37:21.070
  • I love the sound, I love who you
  • 00:37:21.070 --> 00:37:23.030
  • are.
  • 00:37:23.030 --> 00:37:23.240
  • I've got to know you a little
  • 00:37:23.240 --> 00:37:24.210
  • bit, being in L.A.
  • 00:37:24.210 --> 00:37:26.050
  • I'll never forget the first time
  • 00:37:26.050 --> 00:37:27.030
  • I met you and you told me about
  • 00:37:27.030 --> 00:37:28.060
  • your music.
  • 00:37:28.060 --> 00:37:29.200
  • I asked you--I don't know if you
  • 00:37:29.200 --> 00:37:30.230
  • remember this.
  • 00:37:30.230 --> 00:37:31.150
  • I said, "What does your music
  • 00:37:31.150 --> 00:37:32.100
  • sound like?"
  • 00:37:32.100 --> 00:37:33.100
  • And I'll never forget this, you
  • 00:37:33.100 --> 00:37:34.200
  • go, "It's like the Kanye of
  • 00:37:34.200 --> 00:37:37.040
  • Christian music."
  • 00:37:37.040 --> 00:37:38.090
  • I say, "Okay, I'll take that.
  • 00:37:38.090 --> 00:37:39.280
  • I like that."
  • 00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:40.270
  • So tell me, you know, because,
  • 00:37:40.270 --> 00:37:43.200
  • you know, you hear of a young
  • 00:37:43.200 --> 00:37:45.010
  • man, 12 years old, getting
  • 00:37:45.010 --> 00:37:47.010
  • saved, finding this amazing
  • 00:37:47.010 --> 00:37:49.100
  • ministry in college, deciding to
  • 00:37:49.100 --> 00:37:51.100
  • serve God, but you have a even
  • 00:37:51.100 --> 00:37:53.100
  • greater testimony.
  • 00:37:53.100 --> 00:37:55.010
  • Tell people about--'cause I
  • 00:37:55.010 --> 00:37:56.160
  • watch you and I go, "This guy's
  • 00:37:56.160 --> 00:37:58.010
  • unbelievable.
  • 00:37:58.010 --> 00:37:59.020
  • He looks like life's perfect,"
  • 00:37:59.180 --> 00:38:02.200
  • but you've gone through some
  • 00:38:02.200 --> 00:38:03.110
  • things.
  • 00:38:03.110 --> 00:38:04.070
  • - Jimi: Sure, you know, life is
  • 00:38:04.070 --> 00:38:05.100
  • mountains and valleys.
  • 00:38:05.100 --> 00:38:07.110
  • Sometimes, people can come in on
  • 00:38:07.110 --> 00:38:09.290
  • the highest of heights and
  • 00:38:09.290 --> 00:38:11.250
  • sometimes people are rolling in
  • 00:38:11.250 --> 00:38:13.090
  • on the lowest of lows.
  • 00:38:13.090 --> 00:38:15.070
  • And I can remember a really
  • 00:38:15.070 --> 00:38:16.170
  • tough time in my life, you know,
  • 00:38:16.170 --> 00:38:18.090
  • which really has, in retrospect,
  • 00:38:18.090 --> 00:38:20.230
  • inspired the music that I made.
  • 00:38:20.230 --> 00:38:23.150
  • Had a son, similar to Chris's
  • 00:38:23.150 --> 00:38:25.240
  • story, 2-1/2 years old.
  • 00:38:27.150 --> 00:38:30.150
  • A month before this happened, I
  • 00:38:30.150 --> 00:38:33.140
  • decided I'm gonna make the
  • 00:38:33.140 --> 00:38:34.130
  • "Heaven" album.
  • 00:38:34.130 --> 00:38:35.220
  • We're gonna make it--I'm
  • 00:38:35.220 --> 00:38:36.180
  • gonna--we're gonna make the
  • 00:38:36.180 --> 00:38:37.150
  • sound of heaven.
  • 00:38:37.150 --> 00:38:38.120
  • I wanted to capture it.
  • 00:38:38.120 --> 00:38:40.090
  • You know, we were out here in
  • 00:38:40.090 --> 00:38:41.030
  • L.A., making the record.
  • 00:38:41.030 --> 00:38:42.250
  • A month later, my son is
  • 00:38:42.250 --> 00:38:43.250
  • diagnosed with liver cancer and
  • 00:38:43.250 --> 00:38:46.250
  • I was thinking, "Oh, I didn't
  • 00:38:47.070 --> 00:38:50.070
  • see that coming."
  • 00:38:50.070 --> 00:38:52.260
  • And I felt that, you know, when
  • 00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:55.160
  • you think of heaven, think of
  • 00:38:55.160 --> 00:38:57.040
  • all of the beauty, the majesty
  • 00:38:57.040 --> 00:38:59.180
  • of it, you know.
  • 00:38:59.180 --> 00:39:00.240
  • There's a phrase that says,
  • 00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:01.180
  • "Everyone wants to go to heaven,
  • 00:39:01.180 --> 00:39:02.280
  • but no one wants to die," which
  • 00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.180
  • is pretty striking but, you
  • 00:39:05.180 --> 00:39:07.170
  • know, I experienced a really
  • 00:39:07.170 --> 00:39:10.010
  • struggle, a tough time in my
  • 00:39:10.010 --> 00:39:12.150
  • life during that time when my
  • 00:39:12.150 --> 00:39:14.290
  • son was diagnosed with cancer
  • 00:39:14.290 --> 00:39:16.150
  • and went through the ups and
  • 00:39:16.150 --> 00:39:18.050
  • downs of what it's like to be in
  • 00:39:18.050 --> 00:39:19.140
  • a hospital, camping out, you
  • 00:39:19.250 --> 00:39:22.250
  • know, chemotherapy, up and down.
  • 00:39:22.250 --> 00:39:25.210
  • The ups and downs of what it
  • 00:39:25.210 --> 00:39:26.240
  • means to be a father and to be
  • 00:39:26.240 --> 00:39:29.200
  • loving and to be there for your
  • 00:39:29.200 --> 00:39:31.030
  • son.
  • 00:39:31.030 --> 00:39:32.140
  • I stopped making music.
  • 00:39:32.140 --> 00:39:34.100
  • I came off the road.
  • 00:39:34.100 --> 00:39:35.180
  • I was praying, urgently praying,
  • 00:39:36.060 --> 00:39:39.060
  • you know, ardently that Christ
  • 00:39:39.060 --> 00:39:41.090
  • would heal him.
  • 00:39:41.090 --> 00:39:43.090
  • And there were a lot of
  • 00:39:43.230 --> 00:39:46.230
  • beautiful moments that were
  • 00:39:46.290 --> 00:39:49.290
  • undeniable moments of healing.
  • 00:39:49.290 --> 00:39:52.070
  • I can remember a specific one.
  • 00:39:52.070 --> 00:39:54.040
  • We're talking about faith.
  • 00:39:54.040 --> 00:39:56.180
  • Britain had experienced a side
  • 00:39:56.180 --> 00:39:58.250
  • effect of chemotherapy where his
  • 00:39:58.250 --> 00:40:00.110
  • heart had failed and he was
  • 00:40:00.110 --> 00:40:02.270
  • sedated and intubated.
  • 00:40:02.270 --> 00:40:04.280
  • And we were in a room and I
  • 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.080
  • prayed that night.
  • 00:40:06.080 --> 00:40:07.070
  • I said, "Lord, please give him a
  • 00:40:07.070 --> 00:40:09.140
  • new heart.
  • 00:40:09.140 --> 00:40:10.280
  • We need a new heart."
  • 00:40:11.010 --> 00:40:14.010
  • We came back.
  • 00:40:14.010 --> 00:40:16.070
  • The next morning, the doctor
  • 00:40:16.070 --> 00:40:17.120
  • said, "Hey, his heart is back up
  • 00:40:17.120 --> 00:40:19.270
  • to where it's supposed to be."
  • 00:40:23.150 --> 00:40:26.150
  • I thought to myself, "Wow, this
  • 00:40:26.150 --> 00:40:27.280
  • is incredible."
  • 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.180
  • Fast forward, we go through more
  • 00:40:30.180 --> 00:40:32.100
  • treatments and, you know, I was
  • 00:40:33.290 --> 00:40:36.290
  • praying for healing on this side
  • 00:40:36.290 --> 00:40:38.190
  • of heaven, but that wasn't
  • 00:40:38.190 --> 00:40:41.010
  • Christ--that wasn't what
  • 00:40:41.010 --> 00:40:43.110
  • happened.
  • 00:40:43.110 --> 00:40:44.190
  • My son went to heaven on March
  • 00:40:44.190 --> 00:40:46.130
  • 28 of 2014 and I think the
  • 00:40:47.030 --> 00:40:50.030
  • beauty of that experience for me
  • 00:40:50.030 --> 00:40:52.280
  • is that the Bible says:
  • 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.030
  • "Consider it pure joy when you
  • 00:40:55.030 --> 00:40:57.140
  • face various trials of many
  • 00:40:57.140 --> 00:40:59.220
  • kinds, because you know that the
  • 00:40:59.220 --> 00:41:02.080
  • testing of your faith produces
  • 00:41:02.080 --> 00:41:03.250
  • character and perseverance."
  • 00:41:03.270 --> 00:41:06.270
  • And I've even been inspired by
  • 00:41:06.270 --> 00:41:07.250
  • your story, your own personal
  • 00:41:07.250 --> 00:41:09.220
  • story.
  • 00:41:09.220 --> 00:41:11.070
  • can say I learned through that
  • 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.180
  • experience and what I gained in
  • 00:41:15.180 --> 00:41:17.110
  • my faith was that in the Bible
  • 00:41:17.160 --> 00:41:20.160
  • it says, you know, "Don't be
  • 00:41:20.160 --> 00:41:23.060
  • sad.
  • 00:41:23.060 --> 00:41:24.200
  • has told you, 'I will never
  • 00:41:28.030 --> 00:41:29.210
  • leave you or forsake you.'"
  • 00:41:29.210 --> 00:41:32.030
  • - Chad: It's amazing,
  • 00:41:32.030 --> 00:41:33.000
  • beautiful.
  • 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:33.290
  • So beautiful.
  • 00:41:33.290 --> 00:41:35.140
  • - Jimi: To me, I can feel like
  • 00:41:35.140 --> 00:41:36.170
  • even in the midst of--even in
  • 00:41:36.170 --> 00:41:39.000
  • the midst of searing loss, I
  • 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.230
  • never felt like Christ was a
  • 00:41:41.230 --> 00:41:43.010
  • mile away.
  • 00:41:43.010 --> 00:41:44.160
  • Felt like Christ was right here
  • 00:41:44.160 --> 00:41:45.210
  • with me.
  • 00:41:45.210 --> 00:41:47.000
  • - Chad: And I just wanna say,
  • 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:48.210
  • first of all, thank you for
  • 00:41:48.210 --> 00:41:49.220
  • sharing your story.
  • 00:41:49.220 --> 00:41:51.070
  • It's, if I can use the word
  • 00:41:51.090 --> 00:41:54.090
  • "beautiful," and the reason why
  • 00:41:54.090 --> 00:41:55.130
  • I say that is because of I can
  • 00:41:55.130 --> 00:41:57.240
  • sense the healing that's taken
  • 00:41:57.240 --> 00:41:59.280
  • place.
  • 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.010
  • I can sense your faith is still
  • 00:42:01.010 --> 00:42:02.030
  • strong.
  • 00:42:02.030 --> 00:42:03.130
  • And I think that this is a great
  • 00:42:03.130 --> 00:42:04.280
  • show tonight for us to say,
  • 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.160
  • "Sometimes, God could come
  • 00:42:07.160 --> 00:42:08.210
  • through and heal your kid and we
  • 00:42:08.210 --> 00:42:11.030
  • got faith for that, but even if
  • 00:42:11.030 --> 00:42:12.070
  • he doesn't, we can still find
  • 00:42:12.230 --> 00:42:15.230
  • peace, strength."
  • 00:42:15.230 --> 00:42:17.280
  • You know, you mentioned my
  • 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:18.250
  • story.
  • 00:42:18.250 --> 00:42:19.170
  • My daughter's not healed yet,
  • 00:42:19.170 --> 00:42:21.100
  • but we--our house is filled with
  • 00:42:21.100 --> 00:42:23.130
  • joy, we've got hope, and I wanna
  • 00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:25.160
  • say, "Thank you for being who
  • 00:42:25.160 --> 00:42:26.160
  • you are."
  • 00:42:26.160 --> 00:42:27.230
  • I know I said this to you, but
  • 00:42:27.230 --> 00:42:28.250
  • you're remarkable.
  • 00:42:28.250 --> 00:42:30.050
  • And people are gonna get to
  • 00:42:30.050 --> 00:42:31.150
  • listen to you in just a moment
  • 00:42:31.150 --> 00:42:32.260
  • sing, but I think it's a weapon
  • 00:42:32.260 --> 00:42:35.090
  • that they're watching you sing
  • 00:42:35.090 --> 00:42:36.240
  • after you've gone through all
  • 00:42:36.240 --> 00:42:38.020
  • that you've gone through, you're
  • 00:42:38.020 --> 00:42:39.180
  • still smiling and still singing
  • 00:42:39.180 --> 00:42:41.080
  • and still praising God.
  • 00:42:41.080 --> 00:42:43.140
  • You're unbelievable.
  • 00:42:43.140 --> 00:42:45.210
  • You're incredible.
  • 00:42:45.210 --> 00:42:46.270
  • - Jimi: Thank you.
  • 00:42:46.270 --> 00:42:47.290
  • - Chad: And all the respect to
  • 00:42:47.290 --> 00:42:48.270
  • you, and I pray that God will
  • 00:42:48.270 --> 00:42:51.240
  • bless your life, your ministry,
  • 00:42:52.070 --> 00:42:55.070
  • your story, and use you beyond
  • 00:42:55.070 --> 00:42:56.220
  • your wildest dreams.
  • 00:42:56.220 --> 00:42:57.270
  • I think you're just getting
  • 00:42:57.270 --> 00:42:58.280
  • started.
  • 00:42:58.280 --> 00:42:59.200
  • - Jimi: Yeah, I thank you so
  • 00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:00.140
  • much for having me on.
  • 00:43:00.140 --> 00:43:01.150
  • - Chad: Absolutely.
  • 00:43:01.150 --> 00:43:02.090
  • Hey, in just a minute, we're
  • 00:43:02.090 --> 00:43:03.140
  • gonna be able to listen to this
  • 00:43:03.140 --> 00:43:04.290
  • guy sing a song or two, but
  • 00:43:04.290 --> 00:43:07.100
  • sure and, by the way, if you're
  • 00:43:09.200 --> 00:43:11.060
  • just joining us, this is the
  • 00:43:11.060 --> 00:43:12.190
  • "Praise" program.
  • 00:43:12.190 --> 00:43:13.210
  • My name's Chad Veach and it's a
  • 00:43:13.210 --> 00:43:15.150
  • honor to have you on.
  • 00:43:15.150 --> 00:43:17.000
  • We're gonna go to someone's
  • 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:18.040
  • story in just a moment.
  • 00:43:18.040 --> 00:43:19.000
  • You're gonna watch a video,
  • 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:19.270
  • powerful story, and then when
  • 00:43:19.270 --> 00:43:21.100
  • you get back, Jimi's gonna sing
  • 00:43:21.100 --> 00:43:22.200
  • a song or two about how good God
  • 00:43:22.200 --> 00:43:25.020
  • is.
  • 00:43:25.020 --> 00:43:26.010
  • - Matthew Bismark: When I got
  • 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:29.250
  • to the age of 17, 18 years old,
  • 00:43:29.250 --> 00:43:31.250
  • you know, I didn't wanna hear
  • 00:43:31.250 --> 00:43:32.230
  • about church.
  • 00:43:32.230 --> 00:43:33.140
  • I didn't wanna hear about Jesus,
  • 00:43:33.140 --> 00:43:34.160
  • I didn't wanna hear anything
  • 00:43:34.160 --> 00:43:35.170
  • about that.
  • 00:43:35.170 --> 00:43:36.230
  • And I knew it was time for me to
  • 00:43:36.230 --> 00:43:37.230
  • leave.
  • 00:43:37.230 --> 00:43:39.290
  • When I got to Miami, I was hurt.
  • 00:43:39.290 --> 00:43:42.050
  • I was hurt, not only from the
  • 00:43:42.050 --> 00:43:44.210
  • Christian walk that I was
  • 00:43:44.210 --> 00:43:46.030
  • walking, the religious walk
  • 00:43:46.030 --> 00:43:47.080
  • that I was walking.
  • 00:43:47.260 --> 00:43:50.260
  • And so when I got there, I just
  • 00:43:50.260 --> 00:43:52.080
  • resorted straight to the
  • 00:43:52.080 --> 00:43:53.140
  • streets.
  • 00:43:53.140 --> 00:43:55.200
  • And I got addicted to marijuana,
  • 00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:57.010
  • so addicted, it was
  • 00:43:57.010 --> 00:43:57.280
  • unbelievable.
  • 00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.190
  • I was just totally hooked on
  • 00:43:59.190 --> 00:44:01.290
  • alcohol, drugs, and that stuff
  • 00:44:04.010 --> 00:44:07.010
  • was right in front of me because
  • 00:44:07.010 --> 00:44:07.280
  • the friends that I hang around
  • 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:08.290
  • And I remember it was a Sunday
  • 00:44:13.080 --> 00:44:14.200
  • night and I had rolled this, you
  • 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.280
  • know, if I can say, fat joint.
  • 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:20.280
  • It was so fat, I said, "I'm
  • 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.060
  • gonna get so messed up tonight."
  • 00:44:22.120 --> 00:44:25.120
  • And I took that and I started
  • 00:44:25.120 --> 00:44:26.250
  • smoking it.
  • 00:44:26.250 --> 00:44:29.170
  • And as I was smoking this, the
  • 00:44:29.170 --> 00:44:30.170
  • moon literally came.
  • 00:44:30.170 --> 00:44:32.020
  • It was literally facing right in
  • 00:44:32.020 --> 00:44:33.020
  • my face.
  • 00:44:33.040 --> 00:44:36.040
  • And I prayed a prayer.
  • 00:44:36.040 --> 00:44:38.070
  • I said, "God, if you the God of
  • 00:44:38.070 --> 00:44:40.000
  • my mom and dad, where are you?
  • 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.120
  • Look at my life."
  • 00:44:42.120 --> 00:44:44.250
  • And I picked the remote control
  • 00:44:44.250 --> 00:44:46.040
  • up and, as I pushed the button
  • 00:44:47.130 --> 00:44:50.130
  • like this, all of a sudden, TBN
  • 00:44:50.230 --> 00:44:53.230
  • came on and, as soon as I saw
  • 00:44:53.230 --> 00:44:56.220
  • that, something rose up into me
  • 00:44:56.220 --> 00:44:58.100
  • and said, "Absolutely not.
  • 00:44:59.080 --> 00:45:02.100
  • You are not watching Christian
  • 00:45:02.100 --> 00:45:03.180
  • television."
  • 00:45:03.180 --> 00:45:05.090
  • And as I tried to change, the
  • 00:45:05.090 --> 00:45:06.160
  • batteries dropped out.
  • 00:45:06.160 --> 00:45:08.100
  • [baby crying]
  • 00:45:08.100 --> 00:45:09.110
  • - Matthew: My daughter started
  • 00:45:09.110 --> 00:45:10.080
  • screaming so I grabbed her back
  • 00:45:10.080 --> 00:45:12.250
  • and I said, "Okay," and then she
  • 00:45:12.250 --> 00:45:13.230
  • was quiet.
  • 00:45:14.160 --> 00:45:17.160
  • Something happened that night.
  • 00:45:17.160 --> 00:45:18.250
  • It was a PTL, a "Praise the
  • 00:45:18.250 --> 00:45:20.140
  • Lord" program.
  • 00:45:20.140 --> 00:45:21.100
  • It was live.
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  • And Pastor Phil Munsey was on
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  • that night and he says, "I have
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  • a prophetic word for somebody, I
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  • dunno who's this for."
  • 00:45:27.290 --> 00:45:30.050
  • - Phil Munsey: There's
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  • somebody, you're watching right
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  • now, you're from South Africa
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  • and you've been running from
  • 00:45:34.230 --> 00:45:35.180
  • God.
  • 00:45:35.180 --> 00:45:36.270
  • You even prayed, "God, where are
  • 00:45:36.270 --> 00:45:38.290
  • you?"
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  • and I'm here to tell you that
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  • God has heard your prayer and he
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  • wants to touch your life because
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  • he has a destiny for you, like
  • 00:45:46.060 --> 00:45:48.070
  • never before.
  • 00:45:48.070 --> 00:45:50.270
  • - Matthew: He says, "We're
  • 00:45:50.270 --> 00:45:51.210
  • supposed to go and interview
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  • somebody but the Lord is telling
  • 00:45:52.210 --> 00:45:54.150
  • me to say this to somebody, I
  • 00:45:54.150 --> 00:45:56.070
  • don't know who I'm talking."
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  • I was standing in front of the
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  • TV and he said, "Come, put your
  • 00:46:00.240 --> 00:46:02.010
  • hands on the television."
  • 00:46:02.010 --> 00:46:05.000
  • I remember me getting up and
  • 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:06.000
  • walking up to the television and
  • 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.010
  • putting my hands on that screen
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  • and, as I put my hands on that
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  • screen, the power of God hit me.
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  • I didn't know it was the power
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  • of God.
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  • Six hours later, I found myself
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  • sitting underneath the
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  • television set and, as soon as I
  • 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.280
  • woke up, something said to me,
  • 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.000
  • "I touched you today, Matthew,
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  • and I heard your cry."
  • 00:46:32.270 --> 00:46:35.270
  • And the first thing I looked was
  • 00:46:35.270 --> 00:46:37.080
  • for my daughter because I knew
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  • that it was late and I looked,
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  • and my daughter was sleeping
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  • right on the couch, right in the
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  • corner.
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  • When you got grace attached to
  • 00:46:50.150 --> 00:46:51.130
  • your life, and you have a
  • 00:46:51.130 --> 00:46:52.250
  • destiny, I tell you, and you
  • 00:46:52.250 --> 00:46:55.040
  • have a momma praying, I tell
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  • you, nothing, nothing, I don't
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  • care what the devil will say,
  • 00:47:00.170 --> 00:47:02.060
  • nothing can touch you because
  • 00:47:02.070 --> 00:47:05.070
  • God has his hand on your life.
  • 00:47:07.100 --> 00:47:10.100
  • And that day, because of the
  • 00:47:12.170 --> 00:47:15.170
  • number-one Christian network in
  • 00:47:15.170 --> 00:47:18.060
  • the world, I sit here today,
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  • [audience applauding]
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  • - Chad: Ladies and gentlemen,
  • 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.240
  • please put your hands together
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  • [music]
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  • You are, you are, you are,
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  • heaven.
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  • You are, you are, you are,
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  • heaven.
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  • [music]
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  • Every knee, every knee will
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  • bow.
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  • Sickness will bow.
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  • Darkness will bow.
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  • Death will bow to Jesus.
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  • Every knee, yes, every knee
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  • will bow.
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  • Oh, every knee, every knee
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  • will bow.
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  • Angels will bow, elders will
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  • bow, heaven will bow to
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  • Jesus.
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  • Oh, every knee, every knee
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  • will bow.
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  • Yes, every knee, yeah.
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  • Every knee will bow.
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  • Angels will bow, elders will
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  • bow, heaven will bow to
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  • Jesus.
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  • 'Cause you are, you are, you
  • 00:50:07.080 --> 00:50:09.020
  • are, you are the beacon of
  • 00:50:09.150 --> 00:50:12.150
  • heaven, of heaven.
  • 00:50:16.130 --> 00:50:19.130
  • You are, you are, you are,
  • 00:50:19.130 --> 00:50:21.110
  • you are the beacon of
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  • heaven, of heaven, oh.
  • 00:50:28.210 --> 00:50:31.210
  • He is, he is, he is, he is
  • 00:50:32.200 --> 00:50:35.200
  • the beacon of heaven, of
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  • heaven.
  • 00:50:40.010 --> 00:50:42.190
  • And you are Jesus, light of
  • 00:50:43.110 --> 00:50:46.110
  • the world.
  • 00:50:46.110 --> 00:50:48.290
  • Living in me, as you're
  • 00:50:48.290 --> 00:50:51.270
  • setting me free.
  • 00:50:51.270 --> 00:50:54.090
  • You are Jesus, light of the
  • 00:50:55.220 --> 00:50:58.220
  • world.
  • 00:50:58.220 --> 00:51:00.280
  • Living in me, yes, you're
  • 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:03.270
  • setting me free.
  • 00:51:03.270 --> 00:51:06.100
  • You are Jesus.
  • 00:51:06.260 --> 00:51:09.260
  • You're the light of the
  • 00:51:09.260 --> 00:51:11.020
  • world.
  • 00:51:11.020 --> 00:51:13.020
  • Living in me, as you're
  • 00:51:13.020 --> 00:51:15.260
  • setting me free.
  • 00:51:16.160 --> 00:51:19.160
  • You are, you are, you are,
  • 00:51:19.160 --> 00:51:21.160
  • you are the beacon of
  • 00:51:21.160 --> 00:51:24.070
  • heaven, of heaven.
  • 00:51:28.150 --> 00:51:31.150
  • You are, you are, you are,
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  • you are the beacon of
  • 00:51:33.150 --> 00:51:36.050
  • heaven, of heaven, oh.
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  • You are, you are, you are,
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  • you are the beacon of
  • 00:51:45.160 --> 00:51:48.050
  • heaven, of heaven.
  • 00:51:52.150 --> 00:51:55.150
  • He is, he is, he is, he is
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  • the beacon of heaven, of
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  • - Chad: C'mon.
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  • C'mon, amazing, amazing,
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  • amazing, amazing.
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  • - Jimi: Thank you.
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  • - Chad: Such a great job.
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  • Such a wonderful job.
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  • I love that song.
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  • I'm never gonna regret writing
  • 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.290
  • that song with you.
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  • I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm
  • 00:52:27.130 --> 00:52:28.100
  • kidding, I'm kidding, I'm
  • 00:52:28.100 --> 00:52:29.070
  • kidding.
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  • - male: Great collaboration.
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  • - Chad: Hey, we're gonna hear
  • 00:52:31.080 --> 00:52:31.290
  • from Jimi in just a moment.
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  • He's gonna do one more song
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  • before we end, but we wanted to
  • 00:52:34.050 --> 00:52:35.280
  • end the program tonight just by
  • 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:38.050
  • saying, "Thanks so much for
  • 00:52:38.050 --> 00:52:39.110
  • joining us," first of all.
  • 00:52:39.110 --> 00:52:41.030
  • And you know, we've really
  • 00:52:41.030 --> 00:52:42.240
  • themed all of tonight about the
  • 00:52:42.240 --> 00:52:45.090
  • subject of faith.
  • 00:52:45.090 --> 00:52:46.280
  • And I wanna end tonight by
  • 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.120
  • praying over your faith.
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  • That God would give you the gift
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  • of faith, he'd increase your
  • 00:52:53.040 --> 00:52:55.070
  • faith, and he'd do more for you
  • 00:52:55.150 --> 00:52:58.150
  • than you could ever dream or
  • 00:52:58.150 --> 00:52:59.170
  • imagine.
  • 00:52:59.170 --> 00:53:00.110
  • Let's pray.
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  • Father, I pray in Jesus' name,
  • 00:53:01.020 --> 00:53:02.270
  • touch every person right now.
  • 00:53:02.270 --> 00:53:04.220
  • Give us a greater belief in you,
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  • in Jesus' name, and we all said
  • 00:53:06.010 --> 00:53:07.290
  • together, "Amen," and amen.
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  • C'mon, let's applaud and thank
  • 00:53:10.230 --> 00:53:11.260
  • the Lord.
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  • Jimi, give us one more song on
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  • [music]
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  • You see right through my
  • 00:53:30.170 --> 00:53:31.120
  • heart, I can't pretend.
  • 00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:34.200
  • And when I finally meet you,
  • 00:53:34.200 --> 00:53:35.270
  • time won't have an end.
  • 00:53:36.030 --> 00:53:39.030
  • And I see you happy smiling
  • 00:53:39.030 --> 00:53:40.220
  • over dreams 'cause when you
  • 00:53:40.220 --> 00:53:43.190
  • close your eyes, I know you
  • 00:53:43.190 --> 00:53:44.290
  • think of me.
  • 00:53:45.020 --> 00:53:48.020
  • So maybe I need the eyes of
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  • a child to keep my mind free
  • 00:53:50.130 --> 00:53:53.130
  • and my heart running wild on
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  • a mountaintop for all the
  • 00:53:56.260 --> 00:53:58.130
  • world to see and all I hope
  • 00:53:58.250 --> 00:54:01.270
  • is they see you inside of
  • 00:54:01.270 --> 00:54:03.140
  • me.
  • 00:54:03.140 --> 00:54:05.060
  • Oh, I believe love is free.
  • 00:54:10.200 --> 00:54:13.200
  • With every part of me, oh, I
  • 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:16.280
  • know you are everything.
  • 00:54:19.190 --> 00:54:22.190
  • You are everything.
  • 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:27.000
  • You are everything.
  • 00:54:29.200 --> 00:54:32.200
  • Is it crazy that I'm dancing
  • 00:54:32.200 --> 00:54:34.100
  • in the rain and I'm smiling
  • 00:54:34.120 --> 00:54:37.120
  • 'cause there's no more days
  • 00:54:37.120 --> 00:54:38.250
  • There's a fire inside of me
  • 00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:45.090
  • and it burns so bright with
  • 00:54:45.090 --> 00:54:47.010
  • I know it's real 'cause
  • 00:54:50.140 --> 00:54:51.120
  • we're not trying.
  • 00:54:51.120 --> 00:54:52.210
  • It's our love cause there's
  • 00:54:52.210 --> 00:54:53.290
  • no fighting.
  • 00:54:53.290 --> 00:54:54.240
  • Don't know much about much I
  • 00:54:54.240 --> 00:54:55.280
  • know, but I tell you, I
  • 00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:58.150
  • believe love is free with
  • 00:55:04.010 --> 00:55:07.010
  • every part of me, oh, I know
  • 00:55:08.160 --> 00:55:11.160
  • you are everything.
  • 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:15.280
  • You are everything.
  • 00:55:17.080 --> 00:55:20.080
  • You are everything.
  • 00:55:26.080 --> 00:55:29.080
  • You are everything.
  • 00:55:31.170 --> 00:55:34.170
  • Yeah, you've seen me at my
  • 00:55:34.170 --> 00:55:35.200
  • highs and in my lows.
  • 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:39.000
  • You're the key to life,
  • 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:39.290
  • there's no place else to go.
  • 00:55:40.100 --> 00:55:43.100
  • And when the leaves fall
  • 00:55:43.100 --> 00:55:44.060
  • down and the world knows
  • 00:55:44.060 --> 00:55:45.120
  • seasons change, you're the
  • 00:55:45.120 --> 00:55:47.260
  • only thing that's always
  • 00:55:47.260 --> 00:55:49.110
  • stayed the same.
  • 00:55:49.110 --> 00:55:51.020
  • All right.
  • 00:55:51.020 --> 00:55:52.060
  • Yeah, you did for me what I
  • 00:55:52.060 --> 00:55:53.090
  • couldn't do for myself.
  • 00:55:53.200 --> 00:55:56.200
  • Yeah, you gave me a name and
  • 00:55:56.200 --> 00:55:57.230
  • a story I could tell.
  • 00:55:58.050 --> 00:56:01.070
  • Since you came into my life
  • 00:56:01.070 --> 00:56:02.210
  • I ain't been the same 'cause
  • 00:56:02.210 --> 00:56:05.200
  • I can see you in the stars
  • 00:56:05.200 --> 00:56:07.110
  • and in the rain.
  • 00:56:07.110 --> 00:56:09.210
  • Oh, I believe love is free
  • 00:56:15.050 --> 00:56:18.050
  • with every part of me, oh, I
  • 00:56:18.070 --> 00:56:21.070
  • know you are everything.
  • 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.280
  • You are everything.
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