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  • - female announcer: Tonight
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  • from Los Angeles, California,
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  • bestselling author and leader
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  • of Hope of the World Ministries
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  • and the Jerusalem Center,
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  • Jonathan Cahn.
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  • And New York Times bestselling
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  • author, filmmaker,
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  • and teacher Joel Richardson.
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  • With the host, president,
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  • and founder of Voice of
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  • Evangelism, Perry Stone.
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  • [music]
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  • [music]
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  • - Perry Stone: Greetings,
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  • everyone, I'm Perry Stone, host
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  • of "Manifest," which is aired
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  • right here on the Trinity
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  • Broadcasting Network.
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  • And I want to welcome the
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  • worldwide audience of TBN.
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  • Today's program deals
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  • One of my guests will show you
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  • prophecy as it relates
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  • to the United States.
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  • And my second guest will be
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  • sharing with you the prophetic
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  • implications of what
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  • is happening in the Middle
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  • East nations such as Turkey,
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  • and what is happening globally.
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  • Without any further delay,
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  • let me introduce Jonathan Cahn.
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  • Jonathan Cahn is a New York
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  • Times bestseller.
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  • He has actually three books,
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  • his newest book being
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  • "The Book of Mysteries."
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  • We'll be talking about that,
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  • probably sharing
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  • from that in just a moment.
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  • So Jonathan, before we introduce
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  • Joel, let me just say
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  • it's good to have you.
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  • I think I can get my hand out
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  • there.
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  • And just real brief, we're going
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  • to do a little roll-in
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  • introducing your ministry
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  • better, but tell us a little bit
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  • about past--recently, what's
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  • prophetically.
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  • - Jonathan Cahn: We are at
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  • a major point.
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  • I mean, this has been a major
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  • shift.
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  • I mean, what's happened in
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  • America and really in the world.
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  • What happens here affects
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  • the whole world.
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  • But it's such a shift that
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  • people can't even make sense of
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  • it right now.
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  • Whether people are against it or
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  • they're for it, cannot make
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  • sense.
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  • But there's been a major shift.
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  • I know we're going to get into
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  • are--we are seeing--we have
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  • a window here.
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  • We're going to get into that,
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  • but it has been an incredible--a
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  • year that defied everybody's
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  • expectations.
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  • And usually when you see that
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  • there, God is in that.
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  • God is in that.
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  • And so, what is he doing?
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  • What is God saying?
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  • You know, we're still in
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  • the--we're still in the template
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  • of "The Harbinger," but that
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  • even includes this, and very
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  • important about where we're
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  • going.
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  • - Perry: Right.
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  • Well, Jonathan, we're going to
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  • do a roll-in right now and show
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  • you very briefly a little bit
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  • about his ministry.
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  • If you're not familiar with
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  • the ministry of Jonathan Cahn,
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  • trust me, you will be when this
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  • program ends today.
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  • Let's watch just a very brief
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  • clip that will introduce to you
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  • the ministry of Rabbi
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  • Jonathan Cahn.
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  • - announcer: Jonathan Cahn
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  • caused a national stir with the
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  • release of his New York Times
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  • bestseller "The Harbinger"
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  • and then "The Mystery of
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  • the Shemitah."
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  • His latest book, "The Book
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  • of Mysteries," has already
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  • become a New York Times
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  • bestseller.
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  • He's known as a prophetic voice
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  • opening up the deep mysteries of
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  • God.
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  • His messages has been heard from
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  • Congress to the United Nations.
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  • Jonathan leads the Jerusalem
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  • Center and Hope of the World
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  • Ministries in Wayne, New Jersey,
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  • where he brings God's Word
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  • to the nations and helps
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  • the world's most needy.
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  • Here today to share a poignant
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  • message for our generation,
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  • Jonathan Cahn.
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  • - Perry: Well, that's a little
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  • bit about our guest
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  • Jonathan Cahn.
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  • And I want to introduce to you,
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  • because it's very rare to have
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  • two New York Times bestsellers
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  • on the same set, the other
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  • gentlemen that we're about to
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  • introduce is Joel Richardson.
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  • Joel is very noted as a Middle
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  • East expert, especially as it
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  • related to Islam and radical
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  • Islam, and the effects of
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  • radical Islam as it's connected
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  • to the prophecies in the book
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  • of Revelation and the book
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  • of Daniel.
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  • And you've probably seen him on
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  • some of the major news networks,
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  • many Christian programs,
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  • and secular programs as well.
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  • Again, a New York Times
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  • bestseller, a filmmaker.
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  • What can we say?
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  • Five children, he's been a very
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  • busy man to say the least.
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  • So Joel, thank you for joining
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  • us today on Trinity
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  • Broadcasting Network.
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  • I know this is not your--you
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  • know, the first time that you've
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  • been exposed to worldwide media,
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  • but you're going to be dealing
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  • in a moment with what?
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  • In specially, specifically?
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  • - Joel Richardson: Yeah, just
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  • to help believers to understand
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  • what's unfolding in the earth
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  • testimony of the biblical
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  • prophets.
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  • We need to be, even as Jonathan
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  • touched on, we need to be about
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  • We need to be watchful.
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  • We need to be in tune with what
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  • the Lord's doing because
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  • the days ahead are only going to
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  • get increasingly tumultuous
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  • and chaotic.
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  • - Perry: Okay, what I'd like to
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  • do for those of you that are not
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  • familiar with Joel's ministry,
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  • let's do a brief roll-in about
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  • him and where you can get
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  • a little bit familiar with
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  • who he is and what he does.
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  • So, watch this.
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  • It'll be brief, and we're coming
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  • right back and beginning our
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  • discussions on prophecy in
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  • America, and prophecies
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  • that are being fulfilled
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  • in the Middle East.
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  • Watch this and don't
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  • go anywhere.
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  • - announcer: New York Times
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  • bestselling author, filmmaker,
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  • and teacher Joel Richardson
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  • travels around the world
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  • spreading the gospel.
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  • He's an internationally
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  • recognized expert on biblical
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  • prophecy, the Middle East, and
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  • Islam.
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  • With a special love for all
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  • people in the Middle East,
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  • Joel is a human rights activist,
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  • a commentator for
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  • worldnetdaily.com, an
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  • independent online news
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  • platform, and has authored
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  • several books such as "The
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  • Islamic Antichrist" and "Mystery
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  • Babylon," unlocking the Bible's
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  • greatest prophetic mystery.
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  • Joel also produces and directs
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  • documentaries such as "End Times
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  • Eyewitness" that has been
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  • featured on various news
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  • and television outlets
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  • across the world.
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  • Here on the program with us,
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  • Joel Richardson.
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  • - Perry: Well, I know you want
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  • us to get started, so Jonathan,
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  • let's begin with you.
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  • Now, let's--before we talk about
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  • America, you wrote a book
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  • called, "The Book of Mysteries."
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  • I'm curious, what is that book
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  • about?
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  • - Jonathan: Yeah, the book
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  • of--if "The Harbinger" is
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  • the revealing of a mystery--
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  • - Perry: That's the previous
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  • book.
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  • - Jonathan: Yeah, and the
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  • Shemitah.
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  • "The Book of Mysteries" is the
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  • revealing of hundreds of
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  • mysteries, and really what I
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  • believe are some of the greatest
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  • mysteries.
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  • God is never finished with
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  • mysteries.
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  • You know that, Perry.
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  • And so, it is--it's kind of like
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  • a treasure chest that you're
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  • opening up, and what it is, like
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  • "The Harbinger," you have a--you
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  • have a man going into the
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  • desert.
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  • There's a story.
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  • And he meets a teacher, man
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  • called the teacher.
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  • And every day, the teacher takes
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  • him to a mountaintop, or to a
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  • cavern, or to a secret chamber.
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  • And every day, he opens up
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  • another mystery of God.
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  • And so, every day, you're taken
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  • on this journey, so there's 365
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  • mysteries because it's a year in
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  • the--it's a year in the desert.
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  • And so, it's also devotional,
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  • but unlike--you know, it's a
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  • mystery every day.
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  • mysteries of prophecy, end
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  • times, mysteries of the rabbis,
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  • the hidden writings of the
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  • rabbis, mysteries of heaven,
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  • mysteries of your life.
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  • So, it's all those things.
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  • - Perry: Can I ask you
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  • something?
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  • And I want to ask Joel
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  • a question here about a book
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  • Give me one of the mysteries
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  • that's in the book.
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  • - Jonathan: Okay, there's so
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  • many, it's hard, but I'll just
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  • give you--some of them get into
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  • what you would never--when you
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  • read the Bible and you would
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  • never see it in English, and
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  • I'll give you an example.
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  • In the book, the teacher takes
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  • the disciple into something
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  • called the Chamber of Scrolls,
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  • and opens up a scroll to
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  • Isaiah 53.
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  • - Perry: Sounds like Cumron.
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  • - Jonathan: Yeah.
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  • It is a little like Cumron.
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  • And so, and here is Isaiah 53,
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  • which is a famous--the prophecy
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  • of Messiah coming.
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  • And you read in your--and he
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  • shows him something.
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  • You read in your English Bibles,
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  • it says, "With a rich man
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  • in his death."
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  • Okay, but in Hebrew, it never
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  • says that, never says that
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  • at all.
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  • What it says is, and it's
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  • a crazy thing, the rabbis still
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  • can't even make sense with it,
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  • it says, "With a rich man,"
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  • it says, "in his deaths,"
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  • the word is plural.
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  • In other words--now,
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  • when that happens in Hebrew,
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  • it's like almost like a code.
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  • It's telling you that the word
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  • behind it is so big that it
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  • cannot--the reality, the word
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  • "death" cannot contain
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  • what Jesus did on the cross.
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  • It is so big that it have--they
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  • write it in plural to say you
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  • cannot even imagine what he did.
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  • But also, it means he didn't die
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  • one death, he died many deaths.
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  • He died our death.
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  • Our death is in that word.
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  • Our death is in there.
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  • And another thing just like
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  • that, goes along with that
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  • thing, you know, we talk about
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  • God having mercy.
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  • We want mercy, of course,
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  • want his love.
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  • In Hebrew, God doesn't have
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  • mercy, and I'll explain it.
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  • The Bible--doesn't have mercy
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  • in Hebrew.
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  • What he has is rachamim.
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  • And rachamim is not mercy,
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  • it again is mercies plural.
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  • And what it means is--what it
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  • means is that God--it's saying
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  • that, number one, the love that
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  • God has for you is so big that
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  • the word cannot contain it,
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  • so they got to do this string,
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  • this code thing with it.
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  • And number two, it also means
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  • that the word for our sins is
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  • singular, but the word of his
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  • mercy is plural, meaning no
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  • matter how many sins you have,
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  • you can--there's always
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  • more mercy for God.
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  • You can never exhaust the mercy
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  • of God.
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  • That's why it says the mercies
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  • are new.
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  • There's always a new mercy every
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  • day.
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  • His love is never ending.
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  • And that, you'd never see that
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  • in English.
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  • That's just an idea.
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  • There's so many mysteries in
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  • the Bible, and God is so great,
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  • he's greater than we think
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  • he is.
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  • - Perry: Absolutely.
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  • Okay, Joel, I want to go to you.
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  • And you've written a book that
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  • deals with "Mystery of Babylon"
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  • Revelation chapters 17, 18.
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  • Your thesis is very different
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  • than what we would say
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  • the traditional theologians
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  • have taught for centuries
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  • about mystery of Babylon.
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  • And some say it's Rome, some say
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  • it's New York, and there's all
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  • these theories.
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  • Give us a few things that you
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  • discovered in your research
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  • about the possibilities of what
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  • - Joel: Well, essentially what
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  • I do in the book is I work
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  • through all of the different
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  • theories.
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  • And I say, "Here are
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  • the strengths and here are
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  • the weaknesses."
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  • And I work from
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  • the premise that if you go to
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  • a store and you buy a pair of
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  • gloves, you buy a pair of gloves
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  • where all ten fingers fit.
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  • And with each of these theories,
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  • whether we're dealing with Rome,
  • 00:09:59.140 --> 00:10:00.170
  • a lot of people believe it's the
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  • United States or New York City,
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  • some people believe it's
  • 00:10:03.070 --> 00:10:04.190
  • Jerusalem, with any of these,
  • 00:10:04.190 --> 00:10:05.190
  • there are a handful of
  • 00:10:05.190 --> 00:10:07.020
  • that seem to align quite well
  • 00:10:09.050 --> 00:10:10.260
  • with this whatever theory we're
  • 00:10:10.260 --> 00:10:12.140
  • dealing with.
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  • But three of the fingers
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  • might fit great,
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  • but two of the fingers don't.
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  • You know, and you don't buy
  • 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:18.020
  • a pair of gloves if three of
  • 00:10:18.020 --> 00:10:19.230
  • the fingers fit.
  • 00:10:19.230 --> 00:10:20.230
  • And so, each of these have
  • 00:10:20.230 --> 00:10:22.280
  • different problems.
  • 00:10:22.280 --> 00:10:23.230
  • Now, with regard to the theory
  • 00:10:23.230 --> 00:10:25.000
  • that I lay out, the idea that
  • 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:26.120
  • perhaps it is the city of Mecca
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  • and the kingdom of Saudi Arabia,
  • 00:10:28.150 --> 00:10:30.140
  • when we look at this, it sounds
  • 00:10:30.140 --> 00:10:32.050
  • like a very novel interpretation
  • 00:10:32.050 --> 00:10:33.170
  • initially.
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  • But when you really work through
  • 00:10:34.260 --> 00:10:36.070
  • all of the criteria and weigh it
  • 00:10:36.070 --> 00:10:37.160
  • against the prophecy, I would
  • 00:10:37.160 --> 00:10:39.170
  • argue that it seems to be the
  • 00:10:39.170 --> 00:10:41.060
  • best interpretation that aligns
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  • with the text.
  • 00:10:43.230 --> 00:10:44.240
  • Now, if this is not the
  • 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:46.140
  • fulfillment of the prophecy,
  • 00:10:46.140 --> 00:10:47.200
  • then clearly Mecca today is a
  • 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:48.280
  • great Babylon.
  • 00:10:48.280 --> 00:10:50.270
  • But essentially, it's the
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  • culmination of all of these
  • 00:10:52.110 --> 00:10:54.080
  • previous entities because it
  • 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.020
  • used to be Babylon.
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  • This was the great persecuting,
  • 00:10:57.110 --> 00:10:58.240
  • pagan stronghold of Satan
  • 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.140
  • in the earth.
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  • In the first century,
  • 00:11:01.020 --> 00:11:02.010
  • the new Babylon was Rome.
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  • Rome was Babylon, but no longer.
  • 00:11:03.290 --> 00:11:06.090
  • It's not the great persecuting,
  • 00:11:06.090 --> 00:11:07.290
  • demonic stronghold in the earth.
  • 00:11:07.290 --> 00:11:09.170
  • There's still a lot of idolatry
  • 00:11:09.170 --> 00:11:11.050
  • there, but we do have a city
  • 00:11:11.050 --> 00:11:13.050
  • which is the single greatest
  • 00:11:13.050 --> 00:11:14.240
  • city of idolatry that mankind
  • 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:15.280
  • has ever produced.
  • 00:11:15.280 --> 00:11:17.220
  • And that's exactly what the
  • 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:18.290
  • prophecy says to be looking for
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  • which is the great harlot.
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  • It is the greatest, the biggest.
  • 00:11:22.210 --> 00:11:24.020
  • We see mother of all harlots,
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  • and we think she gives birth
  • 00:11:25.140 --> 00:11:27.000
  • to a bunch of little harlots.
  • 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:28.110
  • But it's actually a classic
  • 00:11:28.110 --> 00:11:29.120
  • eastern expression.
  • 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:30.220
  • It's very similar to when Saddam
  • 00:11:30.220 --> 00:11:31.260
  • Hussein said it's going to be
  • 00:11:31.260 --> 00:11:33.050
  • the mother of all battles.
  • 00:11:33.050 --> 00:11:34.080
  • This is the mother of all
  • 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:35.270
  • systems of idolatry.
  • 00:11:35.270 --> 00:11:38.040
  • It's the mother, the greatest
  • 00:11:38.040 --> 00:11:39.150
  • of all false religions.
  • 00:11:39.150 --> 00:11:41.150
  • - Perry: And another thing, if
  • 00:11:41.150 --> 00:11:42.210
  • we read in Revelation, a harlot
  • 00:11:42.210 --> 00:11:45.140
  • in the Old Testament especially
  • 00:11:45.140 --> 00:11:47.140
  • was apostate religion or a
  • 00:11:47.140 --> 00:11:50.120
  • backsliding against God.
  • 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.220
  • It was a negative connotation.
  • 00:11:52.220 --> 00:11:54.220
  • - Joel: Spiritual--
  • 00:11:54.220 --> 00:11:55.120
  • - Perry: Spiritual idolatry.
  • 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:56.280
  • So actually, that fits in the
  • 00:11:56.280 --> 00:11:58.200
  • idea that that entire nation is
  • 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.270
  • founded on a system, a religious
  • 00:12:00.270 --> 00:12:02.100
  • system.
  • 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:03.090
  • And also, what do you do, for
  • 00:12:03.090 --> 00:12:04.190
  • example, about--it says there's
  • 00:12:04.190 --> 00:12:06.120
  • the mountains up on which the
  • 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:08.110
  • woman sits.
  • 00:12:08.110 --> 00:12:09.200
  • But how would you explain that,
  • 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.080
  • for example, in the book?
  • 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:12.120
  • - Joel: So, essentially it says
  • 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:13.040
  • that the dragon has seven heads,
  • 00:12:13.270 --> 00:12:16.270
  • and then it says the seven heads
  • 00:12:16.270 --> 00:12:18.040
  • are also seven mountains and
  • 00:12:18.040 --> 00:12:20.020
  • seven kings.
  • 00:12:20.020 --> 00:12:21.250
  • Now, mountain is a very common
  • 00:12:21.250 --> 00:12:23.080
  • biblical motif or symbol for
  • 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:25.050
  • empire.
  • 00:12:25.050 --> 00:12:26.180
  • And so, of the various
  • 00:12:26.180 --> 00:12:28.000
  • interpretations, I think the
  • 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:29.060
  • best interpretation is that the
  • 00:12:29.060 --> 00:12:30.220
  • seven heads represents seven
  • 00:12:30.220 --> 00:12:31.270
  • historical, pagan, demonic
  • 00:12:31.270 --> 00:12:34.010
  • empires.
  • 00:12:34.010 --> 00:12:35.060
  • So, it's Egypt, Assyria,
  • 00:12:35.060 --> 00:12:37.100
  • Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece,
  • 00:12:37.100 --> 00:12:38.250
  • and then Rome was the sixth.
  • 00:12:38.250 --> 00:12:40.230
  • These are the great persecuting,
  • 00:12:40.230 --> 00:12:42.030
  • anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist
  • 00:12:42.030 --> 00:12:44.200
  • empires down through history.
  • 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.190
  • But then after the sixth, it
  • 00:12:46.190 --> 00:12:47.200
  • says there's another one coming,
  • 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:49.000
  • and then that seventh also
  • 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:51.010
  • suffers a fatal head wound.
  • 00:12:51.010 --> 00:12:52.270
  • I believe that applies to the
  • 00:12:52.270 --> 00:12:53.280
  • antichrist, but also the empire,
  • 00:12:53.280 --> 00:12:55.210
  • and then it comes back as an
  • 00:12:55.210 --> 00:12:56.250
  • eighth.
  • 00:12:56.250 --> 00:12:57.240
  • So, Rome's the sixth.
  • 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:59.080
  • Rome can't be the sixth, the
  • 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:00.270
  • seventh, and the eighth because
  • 00:13:00.270 --> 00:13:02.140
  • Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 tells
  • 00:13:02.140 --> 00:13:04.280
  • it's a two-phased empire,
  • 00:13:04.280 --> 00:13:06.190
  • not a three-phased empire.
  • 00:13:06.190 --> 00:13:07.280
  • And so, I believe the only
  • 00:13:07.280 --> 00:13:09.090
  • empire which falls in line with
  • 00:13:09.090 --> 00:13:11.030
  • the pattern set by the seven
  • 00:13:11.030 --> 00:13:13.090
  • previous empires is
  • 00:13:13.090 --> 00:13:14.250
  • the Islamic--historical Islamic
  • 00:13:14.250 --> 00:13:17.000
  • empire, the Islamic caliphate.
  • 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:18.180
  • And today, I believe we're
  • 00:13:18.180 --> 00:13:19.230
  • seeing the beginnings of
  • 00:13:19.230 --> 00:13:20.250
  • the revival of that empire.
  • 00:13:20.250 --> 00:13:23.000
  • - Perry: Jonathan, before I
  • 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:23.240
  • come back to you, I want to
  • 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:24.200
  • mention to the audience that one
  • 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.080
  • of the things that I love about
  • 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:27.140
  • you gentlemen and the friends we
  • 00:13:27.140 --> 00:13:28.260
  • know in ministry is the level of
  • 00:13:28.260 --> 00:13:31.050
  • understanding of the Word that
  • 00:13:31.050 --> 00:13:32.240
  • we have today that we did not
  • 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:34.080
  • have previously because Daniel
  • 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:35.290
  • said in the time of the end,
  • 00:13:35.290 --> 00:13:37.030
  • many would run to and fro,
  • 00:13:37.030 --> 00:13:38.030
  • and what?
  • 00:13:38.030 --> 00:13:39.020
  • Knowledge would be increased.
  • 00:13:39.020 --> 00:13:40.200
  • And before we go back to
  • 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:42.230
  • Jonathan, I want to mention
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  • that--you'll see it on
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  • the screen here in a moment.
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  • There it is.
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  • And it's our Hebraic Prophetic
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  • Study Bible.
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  • I mean, this is full of nuggets,
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  • notes in depth, and so on.
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  • Love to have you--get you
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  • Okay, Jonathan, let's go to
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  • America right now.
  • 00:14:17.050 --> 00:14:18.080
  • Tell me about America, brother.
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  • Tell me kind of what you've--I
  • 00:14:19.150 --> 00:14:20.230
  • know you've done research.
  • 00:14:20.230 --> 00:14:21.260
  • You've been looking, you've been
  • 00:14:21.260 --> 00:14:22.210
  • searching, you've been hearing,
  • 00:14:22.210 --> 00:14:24.180
  • all right?
  • 00:14:24.180 --> 00:14:25.100
  • So, let's talk about that.
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  • - Jonathan: Yeah, well, though
  • 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:27.120
  • in a nutshell, to set the stage
  • 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:28.140
  • for those who don't know, "The
  • 00:14:28.140 --> 00:14:29.140
  • that in the last days of Ancient
  • 00:14:31.160 --> 00:14:32.150
  • Israel, a nation that knew God,
  • 00:14:32.150 --> 00:14:33.210
  • turned away from God, God gives
  • 00:14:33.210 --> 00:14:35.220
  • warning signs to them.
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  • And it's ultimately leading to
  • 00:14:37.110 --> 00:14:38.130
  • judgment.
  • 00:14:38.130 --> 00:14:39.000
  • They're driving God out of their
  • 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:40.030
  • life, they're promoting
  • 00:14:40.030 --> 00:14:41.170
  • immorality, they are lifting up
  • 00:14:41.170 --> 00:14:43.280
  • their children.
  • 00:14:43.280 --> 00:14:44.240
  • Well, America was also a nation
  • 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.010
  • that had been founded on the
  • 00:14:47.010 --> 00:14:48.270
  • Word of God, turned away from
  • 00:14:48.270 --> 00:14:50.150
  • God, just like Israel.
  • 00:14:50.150 --> 00:14:51.210
  • It was actually founded to be
  • 00:14:51.210 --> 00:14:52.150
  • another Israel.
  • 00:14:52.150 --> 00:14:53.100
  • Turned away.
  • 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:54.080
  • And, well, "The Harbinger" is
  • 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:55.140
  • revealing those nine prophetic
  • 00:14:55.140 --> 00:14:57.110
  • harbingers that have appeared in
  • 00:14:57.110 --> 00:14:59.030
  • America with precision.
  • 00:14:59.030 --> 00:15:01.100
  • Okay, and some involve leaders
  • 00:15:01.100 --> 00:15:02.090
  • as well.
  • 00:15:02.090 --> 00:15:03.060
  • Well, what has happened?
  • 00:15:03.060 --> 00:15:04.150
  • Where are we now?
  • 00:15:04.150 --> 00:15:05.110
  • Where does that go?
  • 00:15:05.110 --> 00:15:06.010
  • Well, what has happened with
  • 00:15:06.010 --> 00:15:07.230
  • Israel is when--the pattern is
  • 00:15:07.230 --> 00:15:09.040
  • there's a shaking, then there's
  • 00:15:09.040 --> 00:15:11.030
  • a period of time and the nation
  • 00:15:11.030 --> 00:15:13.060
  • can either come back or head to
  • 00:15:13.060 --> 00:15:14.150
  • judgment.
  • 00:15:14.150 --> 00:15:15.160
  • And we have already--we've seen
  • 00:15:15.160 --> 00:15:16.270
  • the shaking.
  • 00:15:16.270 --> 00:15:17.150
  • "The Harbinger" begins with
  • 00:15:17.150 --> 00:15:18.110
  • 9/11, and then all these things
  • 00:15:18.110 --> 00:15:19.270
  • happen.
  • 00:15:19.270 --> 00:15:20.200
  • Well, we have not turned around
  • 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:21.230
  • yet, but here's the thing.
  • 00:15:21.230 --> 00:15:23.080
  • Where are we now?
  • 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:24.030
  • One of the things God did with
  • 00:15:24.030 --> 00:15:25.260
  • ancient Israel before judgment,
  • 00:15:25.260 --> 00:15:28.010
  • and they were--they were away
  • 00:15:28.010 --> 00:15:29.090
  • from him, they were defying him,
  • 00:15:29.090 --> 00:15:30.150
  • but he gave them at times
  • 00:15:30.150 --> 00:15:32.210
  • reprieves to come back.
  • 00:15:32.210 --> 00:15:34.150
  • He gave them windows of grace.
  • 00:15:34.150 --> 00:15:37.060
  • He gave them--he gave them--like
  • 00:15:37.060 --> 00:15:38.260
  • you could call it almost summers
  • 00:15:38.260 --> 00:15:40.050
  • that are--that they had a chance
  • 00:15:40.050 --> 00:15:41.240
  • to come back.
  • 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:42.240
  • Sometimes, it was just before,
  • 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:43.250
  • and to turn.
  • 00:15:43.250 --> 00:15:44.250
  • And a lot of times--and so, what
  • 00:15:44.250 --> 00:15:45.250
  • has happened here?
  • 00:15:45.250 --> 00:15:46.220
  • If we really look at what's
  • 00:15:46.220 --> 00:15:48.030
  • happened this year, we were at
  • 00:15:48.030 --> 00:15:49.100
  • an incredible, critical juncture
  • 00:15:49.100 --> 00:15:51.220
  • and that is you had a--you had a
  • 00:15:51.220 --> 00:15:53.020
  • warfare going on, you still have
  • 00:15:53.020 --> 00:15:54.220
  • it going on.
  • 00:15:54.220 --> 00:15:55.150
  • But you had--you had two
  • 00:15:55.150 --> 00:15:56.110
  • platforms, two futures for
  • 00:15:56.110 --> 00:15:58.130
  • America, two campaigns.
  • 00:15:58.130 --> 00:16:00.170
  • You know, and this is not about
  • 00:16:00.170 --> 00:16:01.170
  • people, this is about the
  • 00:16:01.170 --> 00:16:02.140
  • issues.
  • 00:16:02.140 --> 00:16:03.070
  • You had on one side, you had in
  • 00:16:03.070 --> 00:16:04.290
  • the Democratic platform, it had
  • 00:16:04.290 --> 00:16:06.160
  • to be the most brazenly
  • 00:16:06.160 --> 00:16:07.210
  • anti-biblical platform
  • 00:16:07.210 --> 00:16:09.160
  • concerning abortion, concerning
  • 00:16:09.160 --> 00:16:11.080
  • morality, concerning religious
  • 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:14.070
  • liberty.
  • 00:16:14.070 --> 00:16:15.050
  • In fact, for the first time in
  • 00:16:15.050 --> 00:16:16.000
  • history, they said that they
  • 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:17.250
  • were going to strike down the
  • 00:16:17.250 --> 00:16:19.000
  • Hyde amendment, which means that
  • 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:20.140
  • abortion.
  • 00:16:22.160 --> 00:16:23.110
  • That's been a safeguard since
  • 00:16:23.110 --> 00:16:24.090
  • 1970s.
  • 00:16:24.090 --> 00:16:25.060
  • This has never been that radical
  • 00:16:25.060 --> 00:16:26.030
  • ever, and the academy was saying
  • 00:16:26.030 --> 00:16:27.110
  • the same thing.
  • 00:16:27.110 --> 00:16:28.040
  • On the other side, you had--and
  • 00:16:28.040 --> 00:16:29.150
  • it's not about parties, but it's
  • 00:16:29.150 --> 00:16:30.160
  • about stance.
  • 00:16:30.160 --> 00:16:31.110
  • You probably have the most
  • 00:16:31.110 --> 00:16:32.040
  • conservative platform with
  • 00:16:32.040 --> 00:16:33.090
  • the Republicans.
  • 00:16:33.090 --> 00:16:34.020
  • And so, you had all these
  • 00:16:34.020 --> 00:16:35.000
  • things.
  • 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:35.170
  • So, you had a very big showdown.
  • 00:16:35.170 --> 00:16:36.240
  • And the thing is this, it's not
  • 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.020
  • about people, but
  • 00:16:38.020 --> 00:16:38.290
  • what would happen?
  • 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:42.200
  • It would've determined
  • 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:43.130
  • the Supreme Court for the next
  • 00:16:43.130 --> 00:16:44.160
  • generation, it would have ruled
  • 00:16:44.160 --> 00:16:46.010
  • out--religious liberty
  • 00:16:46.010 --> 00:16:47.270
  • would've been encroached.
  • 00:16:47.270 --> 00:16:49.040
  • It would have--we would have
  • 00:16:49.040 --> 00:16:50.010
  • sealed the indoctrination of
  • 00:16:50.010 --> 00:16:51.130
  • our children.
  • 00:16:51.130 --> 00:16:52.130
  • It would've been a major thing
  • 00:16:52.130 --> 00:16:53.200
  • going on here.
  • 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:54.160
  • And if this had happened.
  • 00:16:54.160 --> 00:16:55.250
  • And it looked like it was going
  • 00:16:55.250 --> 00:16:56.170
  • to happen.
  • 00:16:56.170 --> 00:16:57.050
  • I mean, all the--all the polls
  • 00:16:57.050 --> 00:16:58.020
  • were it's going to happen.
  • 00:16:58.020 --> 00:16:58.280
  • No matter what, it's going to
  • 00:16:58.280 --> 00:16:59.190
  • happen.
  • 00:16:59.190 --> 00:17:00.090
  • I was in--I was in Jerusalem
  • 00:17:00.090 --> 00:17:01.060
  • when it happened.
  • 00:17:01.060 --> 00:17:02.070
  • I was in Jerusalem.
  • 00:17:02.070 --> 00:17:02.290
  • And I went to bed at Jerusalem
  • 00:17:02.290 --> 00:17:04.290
  • and I said, "Okay, I'm ready to
  • 00:17:04.290 --> 00:17:05.240
  • wake up," and I wake up, and
  • 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:06.150
  • I looked at my phone, it says,
  • 00:17:06.150 --> 00:17:08.050
  • "Donald Trump surging ahead."
  • 00:17:08.050 --> 00:17:09.290
  • I said, "What?"
  • 00:17:09.290 --> 00:17:10.240
  • You know, I mean, the thing is--
  • 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:12.280
  • - Perry: I think everybody was
  • 00:17:12.280 --> 00:17:13.220
  • saying that.
  • 00:17:13.220 --> 00:17:14.120
  • - Jonathan: Virtually
  • 00:17:14.120 --> 00:17:15.080
  • everybody.
  • 00:17:15.080 --> 00:17:15.240
  • Well, virtually, virtually.
  • 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:16.280
  • And the thing is that--and what
  • 00:17:16.280 --> 00:17:18.050
  • happened was, I mean, even, I
  • 00:17:18.050 --> 00:17:19.130
  • mean, the White House was
  • 00:17:19.130 --> 00:17:20.150
  • shocked, the media was shocked,
  • 00:17:20.150 --> 00:17:21.180
  • Hillary Clinton was shocked,
  • 00:17:21.180 --> 00:17:22.230
  • Donald Trump was even shocked.
  • 00:17:22.230 --> 00:17:24.020
  • He even admitted it, you know.
  • 00:17:24.020 --> 00:17:25.010
  • Everyone was shocked, you know.
  • 00:17:25.010 --> 00:17:26.040
  • And generally when something
  • 00:17:26.040 --> 00:17:27.130
  • happens like this, you know,
  • 00:17:27.130 --> 00:17:29.020
  • when things go against the odds
  • 00:17:29.020 --> 00:17:30.000
  • so crazily, it's generally
  • 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:31.160
  • a sign of the hand of God
  • 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.070
  • intervening.
  • 00:17:33.070 --> 00:17:34.110
  • - Perry: And can I mention
  • 00:17:34.110 --> 00:17:35.010
  • this?
  • 00:17:35.010 --> 00:17:35.160
  • Rabbis in Israel were reporting
  • 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.060
  • that when it goes to this
  • 00:17:37.060 --> 00:17:39.210
  • extreme that is virtually
  • 00:17:39.210 --> 00:17:42.170
  • impossible, it is the hand of
  • 00:17:42.170 --> 00:17:44.040
  • God's intervention and not
  • 00:17:44.040 --> 00:17:45.130
  • man's intervention.
  • 00:17:45.130 --> 00:17:46.250
  • Now, a lot of people would
  • 00:17:46.250 --> 00:17:47.260
  • disagree with that, I understand
  • 00:17:47.260 --> 00:17:48.270
  • that, but this is--these are
  • 00:17:48.270 --> 00:17:50.160
  • non-messianic rabbis that were
  • 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.290
  • saying, based on our history of
  • 00:17:52.290 --> 00:17:54.210
  • what we know, when it's that
  • 00:17:54.210 --> 00:17:56.180
  • extreme and it's that different,
  • 00:17:56.180 --> 00:17:58.290
  • pay attention because they say
  • 00:17:58.290 --> 00:18:00.290
  • it this way: you're in
  • 00:18:00.290 --> 00:18:02.010
  • a prophetic season.
  • 00:18:02.010 --> 00:18:03.170
  • - Jonathan: That's amazing that
  • 00:18:03.170 --> 00:18:04.100
  • you're saying that.
  • 00:18:04.100 --> 00:18:05.080
  • And when I was in Israel, Israel
  • 00:18:05.080 --> 00:18:06.040
  • overwhelmingly was rejoicing,
  • 00:18:06.040 --> 00:18:07.230
  • I got to tell you.
  • 00:18:07.230 --> 00:18:08.220
  • And the thing is that when
  • 00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:09.140
  • things are so against the odds
  • 00:18:09.140 --> 00:18:10.270
  • like that--and that one thing
  • 00:18:10.270 --> 00:18:11.290
  • about it is, you know, there has
  • 00:18:11.290 --> 00:18:13.110
  • not been a turn back to God yet.
  • 00:18:13.110 --> 00:18:15.060
  • And we'll talk about--but, but
  • 00:18:15.060 --> 00:18:16.020
  • there have been all around
  • 00:18:16.020 --> 00:18:18.030
  • America, you've been aware of
  • 00:18:18.030 --> 00:18:19.070
  • it, you've been part of it,
  • 00:18:19.070 --> 00:18:20.070
  • we've been--there have been
  • 00:18:20.070 --> 00:18:21.090
  • movements of prayer going on,
  • 00:18:21.090 --> 00:18:22.160
  • going on, going on.
  • 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:23.140
  • We got--ever since when we wrote
  • 00:18:23.140 --> 00:18:24.150
  • "The Harbinger," we got all such
  • 00:18:24.150 --> 00:18:25.200
  • things back saying, "We got to
  • 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:26.280
  • pray, we got to pray," and we
  • 00:18:26.280 --> 00:18:27.220
  • saw--we saw movements going on.
  • 00:18:27.220 --> 00:18:28.270
  • But all over, all over.
  • 00:18:28.270 --> 00:18:30.050
  • I was invited to Capitol Hill,
  • 00:18:30.050 --> 00:18:32.090
  • as you know.
  • 00:18:32.090 --> 00:18:33.080
  • And the thing is they have
  • 00:18:33.080 --> 00:18:34.130
  • prayer now in Capitol Hill.
  • 00:18:34.130 --> 00:18:35.250
  • But it came by somebody seeing
  • 00:18:35.250 --> 00:18:37.000
  • me on television talking about
  • 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:37.270
  • "The Harbinger."
  • 00:18:37.270 --> 00:18:39.070
  • But the thing is that
  • 00:18:39.070 --> 00:18:39.250
  • we all, who are into prophecy,
  • 00:18:39.250 --> 00:18:42.000
  • we've seen there have been
  • 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:42.220
  • movements all around.
  • 00:18:42.220 --> 00:18:43.220
  • And so, there have been
  • 00:18:43.220 --> 00:18:44.190
  • movements of people praying on,
  • 00:18:44.190 --> 00:18:45.180
  • "If my people, if my people,"
  • 00:18:45.180 --> 00:18:46.120
  • you know, the second--and so,
  • 00:18:46.120 --> 00:18:47.210
  • all these polls took everything
  • 00:18:47.210 --> 00:18:49.010
  • to account except for
  • 00:18:49.010 --> 00:18:50.030
  • 2 Chronicles 7:14,
  • 00:18:50.030 --> 00:18:51.250
  • "If my people."
  • 00:18:51.250 --> 00:18:53.020
  • Now, it wasn't that there's been
  • 00:18:53.020 --> 00:18:54.150
  • a gigantic repentance, but God
  • 00:18:54.150 --> 00:18:55.200
  • is so gracious that he'll even
  • 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.160
  • if there's a partial repentance,
  • 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.020
  • he has given us a partial
  • 00:18:59.020 --> 00:19:00.080
  • reprieve.
  • 00:19:00.080 --> 00:19:01.150
  • So, this is not--and we're going
  • 00:19:01.150 --> 00:19:02.240
  • to get more into it in a little,
  • 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:03.160
  • but this is not about a man.
  • 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.020
  • This is not saying--we don't put
  • 00:19:06.020 --> 00:19:06.270
  • our trust in a man.
  • 00:19:06.270 --> 00:19:07.250
  • It's not saying--in fact, the
  • 00:19:07.250 --> 00:19:08.160
  • man probably didn't even realize
  • 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:09.090
  • what was going on.
  • 00:19:09.090 --> 00:19:10.040
  • But it has--the fact is no
  • 00:19:10.040 --> 00:19:11.260
  • matter what you think, all these
  • 00:19:11.260 --> 00:19:13.150
  • things that were set to come,
  • 00:19:13.150 --> 00:19:15.160
  • including the Supreme Court, and
  • 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:16.210
  • religious liberty, and all these
  • 00:19:16.210 --> 00:19:18.140
  • things have been held back now.
  • 00:19:18.140 --> 00:19:20.130
  • There was a window of time.
  • 00:19:20.130 --> 00:19:21.290
  • And what we do with it is going
  • 00:19:21.290 --> 00:19:24.010
  • to be crucial.
  • 00:19:24.010 --> 00:19:24.230
  • So, there's much more to say,
  • 00:19:24.230 --> 00:19:25.140
  • but that is the overall
  • 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:26.090
  • right now.
  • 00:19:26.090 --> 00:19:27.040
  • - Perry: Yeah.
  • 00:19:27.040 --> 00:19:27.270
  • If I can mention this, it
  • 00:19:27.270 --> 00:19:28.180
  • reminds me of when Hezekiah was
  • 00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:30.090
  • given a decree that he were to
  • 00:19:30.090 --> 00:19:32.010
  • die and God just totally twisted
  • 00:19:32.020 --> 00:19:35.020
  • the decree and said, "No,
  • 00:19:35.020 --> 00:19:36.220
  • we're going to change it."
  • 00:19:36.220 --> 00:19:37.160
  • And when Jonah went to Nineveh,
  • 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:39.060
  • warned him,
  • 00:19:39.060 --> 00:19:40.080
  • they had 40 days, but they
  • 00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:41.040
  • repented, they were given 150
  • 00:19:41.040 --> 00:19:42.070
  • more years.
  • 00:19:42.070 --> 00:19:43.160
  • And so, there can be a decree
  • 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.090
  • made.
  • 00:19:45.090 --> 00:19:46.070
  • But when the hand of God
  • 00:19:46.070 --> 00:19:47.120
  • intervenes, or people repent or
  • 00:19:47.120 --> 00:19:48.150
  • pray, it can switch.
  • 00:19:48.150 --> 00:19:50.160
  • And I feel in my spirit we were
  • 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:52.280
  • kind of at that moment of a
  • 00:19:52.280 --> 00:19:54.090
  • decision.
  • 00:19:54.090 --> 00:19:55.260
  • We were going to go one way, one
  • 00:19:55.260 --> 00:19:56.200
  • way or the other.
  • 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:58.060
  • And so, that's--
  • 00:19:58.060 --> 00:19:59.020
  • - Jonathan: It was going to be
  • 00:19:59.020 --> 00:20:00.020
  • sealed.
  • 00:20:00.020 --> 00:20:00.220
  • It was going to be sealed.
  • 00:20:00.220 --> 00:20:01.160
  • And we all felt it.
  • 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:02.190
  • You know, and I want to start
  • 00:20:02.190 --> 00:20:03.140
  • one thing here before--because
  • 00:20:03.140 --> 00:20:04.070
  • you mentioned something.
  • 00:20:04.070 --> 00:20:05.060
  • You know, you said, you
  • 00:20:05.060 --> 00:20:05.240
  • talked--you used the word
  • 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:06.150
  • "intervention."
  • 00:20:06.150 --> 00:20:07.160
  • So, let me just say something.
  • 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:08.080
  • This is--because with all this,
  • 00:20:08.080 --> 00:20:09.070
  • there's something--there's
  • 00:20:09.070 --> 00:20:09.290
  • the Abrahamic covenant.
  • 00:20:09.290 --> 00:20:11.110
  • Now, let me share something.
  • 00:20:11.110 --> 00:20:12.090
  • I believe--I want to share how
  • 00:20:12.090 --> 00:20:13.100
  • the Abraham covenant 4.000 years
  • 00:20:13.100 --> 00:20:14.160
  • ago determined this election.
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  • Let me just share something.
  • 00:20:16.150 --> 00:20:17.100
  • Of course, I'm talking to
  • 00:20:17.100 --> 00:20:19.010
  • the choir, but the Abrahamic
  • 00:20:19.010 --> 00:20:20.040
  • covenant for those who don't
  • 00:20:20.040 --> 00:20:21.010
  • know, to 4.000 years ago, God
  • 00:20:21.010 --> 00:20:22.210
  • said to Abraham, "Whoever
  • 00:20:22.210 --> 00:20:23.200
  • blesses you I'll bless,
  • 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:24.230
  • whoever curses you I'll curse."
  • 00:20:24.230 --> 00:20:25.190
  • But it's not just that,
  • 00:20:25.190 --> 00:20:26.240
  • it's reciprocity.
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  • It's saying whatever you do to
  • 00:20:27.290 --> 00:20:29.100
  • Israel shall come back to you.
  • 00:20:29.100 --> 00:20:31.110
  • Whatever it is,
  • 00:20:31.110 --> 00:20:32.070
  • it may be specific.
  • 00:20:32.070 --> 00:20:32.290
  • Now, regardless of what you feel
  • 00:20:32.290 --> 00:20:34.020
  • about politics, that is--the
  • 00:20:34.020 --> 00:20:35.190
  • former presidents, okay, what he
  • 00:20:35.190 --> 00:20:38.100
  • did in 2000--the year before
  • 00:20:38.100 --> 00:20:39.200
  • this election was the election
  • 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:40.250
  • in Israel.
  • 00:20:40.250 --> 00:20:41.210
  • And what he did is he sought
  • 00:20:41.210 --> 00:20:43.040
  • to--he intervened in a sovereign
  • 00:20:43.040 --> 00:20:44.270
  • election to try to defeat
  • 00:20:44.270 --> 00:20:46.130
  • Benjamin Netanyahu, that he
  • 00:20:46.130 --> 00:20:48.080
  • would be out of office, that it
  • 00:20:48.080 --> 00:20:49.260
  • would reverse his stands, and
  • 00:20:49.260 --> 00:20:51.220
  • then he could have his--he could
  • 00:20:51.220 --> 00:20:52.240
  • have his way in the Middle East.
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  • His whole--his whole legacy
  • 00:20:53.210 --> 00:20:55.010
  • would be reversed, it'd be a
  • 00:20:55.010 --> 00:20:55.230
  • different prime minister.
  • 00:20:55.230 --> 00:20:57.050
  • Well, it backfired, but here's
  • 00:20:57.050 --> 00:20:58.120
  • the--here's the thing, Perry.
  • 00:20:58.120 --> 00:20:59.200
  • Here's the thing.
  • 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:00.210
  • The Abrahamic covenant says,
  • 00:21:00.210 --> 00:21:01.280
  • "Whatever you do shall be done
  • 00:21:01.280 --> 00:21:03.060
  • to you."
  • 00:21:03.060 --> 00:21:03.280
  • So, if you intervene in
  • 00:21:03.280 --> 00:21:05.100
  • the sovereign nation's election,
  • 00:21:05.100 --> 00:21:07.030
  • Israel, God will intervene in
  • 00:21:07.030 --> 00:21:09.100
  • your election.
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  • - Perry: Oh, I hope people are
  • 00:21:10.090 --> 00:21:11.180
  • understanding.
  • 00:21:11.180 --> 00:21:12.110
  • - Jonathan: God will intervene
  • 00:21:12.110 --> 00:21:13.100
  • in the election of America.
  • 00:21:13.100 --> 00:21:14.070
  • If you try to end the legacy of
  • 00:21:14.070 --> 00:21:16.100
  • the prime minister, he will undo
  • 00:21:16.100 --> 00:21:18.140
  • your legacy, which is exactly
  • 00:21:18.140 --> 00:21:20.020
  • what we're seeing right now,
  • 00:21:20.020 --> 00:21:21.100
  • exactly what we're seeing.
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  • This is 4.000 years ago.
  • 00:21:22.250 --> 00:21:24.060
  • And remember how the election,
  • 00:21:24.060 --> 00:21:25.140
  • Netanyahu, everyone was saying
  • 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:26.100
  • he's finished, the polls are
  • 00:21:26.100 --> 00:21:27.040
  • against him, and all of a sudden
  • 00:21:27.040 --> 00:21:28.020
  • he won, same thing, same thing
  • 00:21:28.020 --> 00:21:29.110
  • happened here.
  • 00:21:29.110 --> 00:21:30.150
  • - Perry: It was a--it was
  • 00:21:30.150 --> 00:21:31.070
  • a repetitive pattern.
  • 00:21:31.070 --> 00:21:32.090
  • - Jonathan: Exactly.
  • 00:21:32.090 --> 00:21:33.020
  • - Perry: And there's more we
  • 00:21:33.020 --> 00:21:33.240
  • could say about that that I
  • 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:34.210
  • could say, but I'm here to
  • 00:21:34.210 --> 00:21:35.170
  • interview these guys.
  • 00:21:35.170 --> 00:21:36.260
  • But I'm getting stirred up here.
  • 00:21:36.260 --> 00:21:38.160
  • Okay, now Joel, let's do this.
  • 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.050
  • We're talking here about
  • 00:21:40.050 --> 00:21:41.110
  • America, but let's go overseas,
  • 00:21:41.110 --> 00:21:42.100
  • and let's look at some things
  • 00:21:42.100 --> 00:21:44.020
  • that's happening.
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  • I want you, if you will, to
  • 00:21:45.040 --> 00:21:46.160
  • explain Turkey.
  • 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:47.210
  • What happened recently?
  • 00:21:47.210 --> 00:21:48.280
  • Because we didn't get the--we
  • 00:21:48.280 --> 00:21:50.060
  • saw what was happening over
  • 00:21:50.060 --> 00:21:51.120
  • here, but I heard nobody on the
  • 00:21:51.120 --> 00:21:53.050
  • media explaining the details,
  • 00:21:53.050 --> 00:21:54.260
  • especially prophetically.
  • 00:21:54.260 --> 00:21:57.020
  • Where is this going and how does
  • 00:21:57.020 --> 00:21:58.190
  • it fit in?
  • 00:21:58.190 --> 00:21:59.130
  • Because it affects things
  • 00:21:59.130 --> 00:22:00.040
  • globally, especially in that
  • 00:22:00.040 --> 00:22:01.060
  • - Joel: Yeah, I mean, it's
  • 00:22:03.080 --> 00:22:03.280
  • amazing to watch this unfold
  • 00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:05.050
  • because I've been calling this,
  • 00:22:05.050 --> 00:22:06.290
  • saying watch Turkey.
  • 00:22:06.290 --> 00:22:08.000
  • It's going to become
  • 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:08.230
  • an Islamist, nationalist
  • 00:22:08.230 --> 00:22:09.290
  • neo-Ottoman, you know,
  • 00:22:09.290 --> 00:22:12.120
  • expansionist, imperialist
  • 00:22:12.120 --> 00:22:13.190
  • entity, probably since about
  • 00:22:13.190 --> 00:22:15.260
  • 2003.
  • 00:22:15.260 --> 00:22:17.140
  • And watching this unfold
  • 00:22:17.140 --> 00:22:18.220
  • gradually over the past 12
  • 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:19.240
  • years, it's like--it's like
  • 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:21.040
  • watching, you know, as if I had
  • 00:22:21.040 --> 00:22:22.170
  • written a fictional novel.
  • 00:22:22.170 --> 00:22:24.070
  • It's almost
  • 00:22:24.070 --> 00:22:25.240
  • over the top at times.
  • 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:27.060
  • What we've had is we've had the
  • 00:22:27.060 --> 00:22:29.030
  • Recep Tayyip Erdogan, he's now
  • 00:22:33.120 --> 00:22:35.060
  • the president of Turkey.
  • 00:22:35.060 --> 00:22:36.200
  • There are so many parallels, and
  • 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:38.110
  • listen, I don't like to make
  • 00:22:38.110 --> 00:22:39.190
  • comparisons to Hitler because
  • 00:22:39.190 --> 00:22:41.250
  • that's--you know, can easily be
  • 00:22:41.250 --> 00:22:43.210
  • over the top.
  • 00:22:43.210 --> 00:22:44.150
  • But in this case, it's actually
  • 00:22:44.150 --> 00:22:46.280
  • legitimate.
  • 00:22:46.280 --> 00:22:48.000
  • The parallels between the rise
  • 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:50.020
  • of Erdogan and the rise of
  • 00:22:50.020 --> 00:22:51.110
  • Hitler, there are so many
  • 00:22:51.110 --> 00:22:52.150
  • parallels.
  • 00:22:52.150 --> 00:22:53.060
  • So, what happened is you
  • 00:22:53.060 --> 00:22:53.290
  • have this guy pretending to be
  • 00:22:53.290 --> 00:22:55.080
  • a moderate, pretending to be
  • 00:22:55.080 --> 00:22:56.160
  • a secularist, he clearly has
  • 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:58.070
  • Islamist intentions, he clearly
  • 00:22:58.070 --> 00:23:00.150
  • wants to revive the Ottoman
  • 00:23:00.150 --> 00:23:02.030
  • Empire, exert Turkish control
  • 00:23:02.030 --> 00:23:03.240
  • all throughout the Middle East
  • 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.080
  • up into the Balkans into Europe.
  • 00:23:05.080 --> 00:23:06.250
  • And he was gradually taking over
  • 00:23:06.250 --> 00:23:09.080
  • power, you know, through
  • 00:23:09.080 --> 00:23:10.230
  • a false conspiracy theory.
  • 00:23:10.230 --> 00:23:13.170
  • He beheaded the military,
  • 00:23:13.170 --> 00:23:14.290
  • he took out about 300 of
  • 00:23:14.290 --> 00:23:16.070
  • the top leaders in one night,
  • 00:23:16.070 --> 00:23:18.070
  • put in his own guys.
  • 00:23:18.070 --> 00:23:19.220
  • he very slowly took over
  • 00:23:19.220 --> 00:23:20.200
  • the judiciary.
  • 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:21.240
  • Well, the group that he used who
  • 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.270
  • had infiltrated the government,
  • 00:23:23.270 --> 00:23:25.130
  • that he used to ride their--sort
  • 00:23:25.130 --> 00:23:28.000
  • of ride them to the top is a
  • 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:29.200
  • group that is headed by a man
  • 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.080
  • named Fethullah Gulen.
  • 00:23:31.080 --> 00:23:32.270
  • He lives just outside Langley in
  • 00:23:32.270 --> 00:23:35.070
  • Pennsylvania, okay?
  • 00:23:35.070 --> 00:23:37.170
  • So, he's a--here's one of
  • 00:23:37.170 --> 00:23:38.260
  • the most powerful Islamists in
  • 00:23:38.260 --> 00:23:40.010
  • the world that lives in
  • 00:23:40.010 --> 00:23:40.240
  • the United States.
  • 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.020
  • Arguably, he has been protected
  • 00:23:42.020 --> 00:23:43.160
  • by the CIA, we won't get into
  • 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:45.010
  • all that backdrop.
  • 00:23:45.010 --> 00:23:46.050
  • But happened with the coup last
  • 00:23:46.050 --> 00:23:48.010
  • year is, all of a sudden, all
  • 00:23:48.010 --> 00:23:49.130
  • these generals, you know, all of
  • 00:23:49.130 --> 00:23:50.270
  • a sudden a bunch of them
  • 00:23:50.270 --> 00:23:51.230
  • turned on the government.
  • 00:23:51.230 --> 00:23:53.020
  • It looked like there was going
  • 00:23:53.020 --> 00:23:54.020
  • to be a coup.
  • 00:23:54.020 --> 00:23:54.260
  • I mean, I've seen videos where
  • 00:23:54.260 --> 00:23:56.030
  • jets were dropping bombs on
  • 00:23:56.030 --> 00:23:57.140
  • people in the streets, blowing
  • 00:23:57.140 --> 00:23:59.010
  • up hundreds at a time.
  • 00:23:59.010 --> 00:24:00.180
  • I mean, just crazy stuff.
  • 00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:01.230
  • Tanks running over people, and
  • 00:24:01.230 --> 00:24:02.290
  • the people were very upset about
  • 00:24:02.290 --> 00:24:04.250
  • this.
  • 00:24:04.250 --> 00:24:05.140
  • The whole thing was staged.
  • 00:24:05.140 --> 00:24:06.250
  • The whole thing was put on by
  • 00:24:06.250 --> 00:24:08.060
  • the president, which he has now
  • 00:24:08.060 --> 00:24:09.170
  • used to purge to the country of
  • 00:24:09.170 --> 00:24:11.180
  • close to 200.000 of his
  • 00:24:11.180 --> 00:24:14.130
  • political opponents.
  • 00:24:14.130 --> 00:24:15.160
  • - Perry: When you say purge,
  • 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:17.160
  • you're talking about literally
  • 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:18.120
  • slaughter the people?
  • 00:24:18.120 --> 00:24:19.140
  • - Joel: He's putting them in
  • 00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:20.240
  • concentration camps, or in
  • 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.010
  • gulags essentially.
  • 00:24:22.010 --> 00:24:23.250
  • Some of them are being killed.
  • 00:24:23.250 --> 00:24:25.140
  • And these are the Kurds, these
  • 00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:26.240
  • are the moderates, these are
  • 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:27.240
  • anyone associated with Gulen,
  • 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.280
  • which again is an Islamist
  • 00:24:29.280 --> 00:24:31.070
  • organization that had
  • 00:24:31.070 --> 00:24:32.120
  • infiltrated the government that
  • 00:24:32.120 --> 00:24:34.010
  • he was partners with and friends
  • 00:24:34.010 --> 00:24:35.090
  • with for the past 12 years
  • 00:24:35.090 --> 00:24:36.230
  • or so.
  • 00:24:36.230 --> 00:24:37.160
  • Well, just think the Night of
  • 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:38.220
  • Long Knives, think Adolf Hitler
  • 00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:40.010
  • with the brown shirts.
  • 00:24:40.010 --> 00:24:41.050
  • He used them to ride to power,
  • 00:24:41.050 --> 00:24:43.070
  • and then he turned on them and
  • 00:24:43.070 --> 00:24:44.080
  • killed them over a--really over
  • 00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:45.120
  • a period of a week or so.
  • 00:24:45.120 --> 00:24:46.190
  • So, he's been--there are more
  • 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.200
  • journalists in prison in Turkey
  • 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:51.210
  • than any other nation in the
  • 00:24:51.210 --> 00:24:52.290
  • world right now, more than
  • 00:24:52.290 --> 00:24:53.220
  • China, more than Iran, more than
  • 00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:55.040
  • North Korea.
  • 00:24:55.040 --> 00:24:55.280
  • - Perry: Wow, more than China?
  • 00:24:55.280 --> 00:24:56.270
  • - Joel: Yep.
  • 00:24:56.270 --> 00:24:57.220
  • And so, this is a nation--now,
  • 00:24:57.220 --> 00:24:59.040
  • here's the problem is that
  • 00:24:59.040 --> 00:25:00.120
  • the--you know, American foreign
  • 00:25:00.120 --> 00:25:02.000
  • policy is a series of creating
  • 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.210
  • our enemies of tomorrow today.
  • 00:25:04.210 --> 00:25:06.250
  • We did it with the Taliban, we
  • 00:25:06.250 --> 00:25:08.100
  • did it with Saddam Hussein,
  • 00:25:08.100 --> 00:25:09.160
  • right?
  • 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:10.040
  • We put them in power, we fund
  • 00:25:10.040 --> 00:25:11.190
  • them, we train them, then we go
  • 00:25:11.190 --> 00:25:12.290
  • to war with them.
  • 00:25:12.290 --> 00:25:13.260
  • We have been funding and getting
  • 00:25:13.260 --> 00:25:16.000
  • behind Turkey for the past 20
  • 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:17.180
  • years because we saw them as
  • 00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:19.050
  • the moderate bridge nation,
  • 00:25:19.050 --> 00:25:21.150
  • the secularist Islamist nation.
  • 00:25:21.150 --> 00:25:23.140
  • We want to replicate this model
  • 00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:24.190
  • throughout the Middle East,
  • 00:25:24.190 --> 00:25:25.240
  • right?
  • 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:26.150
  • Well, the problem is that Turkey
  • 00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:27.230
  • doesn't exist anymore,
  • 00:25:27.230 --> 00:25:29.070
  • but we are still functioning
  • 00:25:29.070 --> 00:25:30.260
  • from the old model.
  • 00:25:30.260 --> 00:25:32.070
  • And on top of this all, Turkey
  • 00:25:32.070 --> 00:25:33.170
  • is a member of NATO, which means
  • 00:25:33.170 --> 00:25:35.220
  • that we are contractually
  • 00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:36.290
  • obligated to support them.
  • 00:25:36.290 --> 00:25:38.290
  • And so, while there are a lot of
  • 00:25:38.290 --> 00:25:41.000
  • miraculous things that are
  • 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:42.290
  • taking place with this present
  • 00:25:42.290 --> 00:25:44.080
  • administration, things that are
  • 00:25:44.080 --> 00:25:45.160
  • blowing a lot of us away, this
  • 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.270
  • one issue with Turkey so far,
  • 00:25:47.270 --> 00:25:49.180
  • the status quo seems to be
  • 00:25:49.180 --> 00:25:50.210
  • maintained.
  • 00:25:50.210 --> 00:25:51.140
  • Now listen, Turkey's also an
  • 00:25:51.140 --> 00:25:52.200
  • incredibly strategic piece of
  • 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.250
  • property, which means that we're
  • 00:25:54.250 --> 00:25:56.160
  • sort of--it's difficult because
  • 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.040
  • we have to maintain some
  • 00:25:58.040 --> 00:25:59.070
  • relation.
  • 00:25:59.070 --> 00:26:00.080
  • We have an Incirlik Air Base
  • 00:26:00.080 --> 00:26:02.020
  • there in Eastern Turkey.
  • 00:26:02.020 --> 00:26:03.010
  • There are something like,
  • 00:26:03.010 --> 00:26:04.100
  • I forget the number, but over
  • 00:26:04.100 --> 00:26:05.110
  • a dozen nuclear warheads.
  • 00:26:05.110 --> 00:26:06.230
  • And when the coup was taking
  • 00:26:06.230 --> 00:26:08.260
  • place, they actually shut down
  • 00:26:08.260 --> 00:26:10.250
  • that base, and there was concern
  • 00:26:10.250 --> 00:26:12.040
  • that they were going to actually
  • 00:26:12.040 --> 00:26:13.040
  • take over the warheads.
  • 00:26:13.040 --> 00:26:14.070
  • So, I mean, there is tremendous
  • 00:26:14.070 --> 00:26:15.200
  • things that are coming into
  • 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:16.190
  • place.
  • 00:26:16.190 --> 00:26:17.090
  • Now, that's all important from a
  • 00:26:17.090 --> 00:26:18.140
  • geopolitical perspective, but in
  • 00:26:18.140 --> 00:26:20.010
  • my opinion, this is the reason
  • 00:26:20.010 --> 00:26:22.050
  • that I've been calling this is
  • 00:26:22.050 --> 00:26:23.120
  • because of the words of Ezekiel
  • 00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:25.080
  • the prophet, Ezekiel 38:39,
  • 00:26:25.080 --> 00:26:27.190
  • Gog, Magog.
  • 00:26:27.190 --> 00:26:28.220
  • Everyone says this is Russia,
  • 00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:30.150
  • right?
  • 00:26:30.150 --> 00:26:31.220
  • Everyone says this is the
  • 00:26:31.220 --> 00:26:32.190
  • northern ally.
  • 00:26:32.190 --> 00:26:33.140
  • But when you look at the nations
  • 00:26:33.140 --> 00:26:35.050
  • as they were understood in
  • 00:26:35.050 --> 00:26:36.050
  • Ezekiel's day, these are all
  • 00:26:36.050 --> 00:26:38.090
  • tribes that were in Asia Minor,
  • 00:26:38.090 --> 00:26:40.120
  • Turkey.
  • 00:26:40.120 --> 00:26:41.080
  • So, it's Gog, who is the leader.
  • 00:26:41.080 --> 00:26:43.240
  • He is from Magog.
  • 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:45.120
  • Magog was Meshech, Tubal, Gomer,
  • 00:26:45.120 --> 00:26:47.240
  • Togarmah.
  • 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:48.180
  • These were all peoples that were
  • 00:26:48.180 --> 00:26:50.070
  • in Anatolia, Asia Minor, which
  • 00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:53.150
  • is today Turkey.
  • 00:26:53.150 --> 00:26:54.230
  • And so, based on that, that's
  • 00:26:54.230 --> 00:26:56.100
  • why I've been looking to Turkey,
  • 00:26:56.100 --> 00:26:57.100
  • so you have, as I say, the
  • 00:26:57.100 --> 00:26:58.180
  • contours of the geopolitical
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  • alignment of the nations is
  • 00:27:01.190 --> 00:27:03.260
  • coming into alignment with how
  • 00:27:03.260 --> 00:27:05.130
  • the prophets describe them.
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  • We're not there yet, but we're
  • 00:27:06.280 --> 00:27:08.150
  • getting very close.
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  • - Perry: And you know, when you
  • 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:10.090
  • just said that, let's go to
  • 00:27:10.090 --> 00:27:11.130
  • Daniel 2 on the metallic image.
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  • And when you get down to the two
  • 00:27:13.250 --> 00:27:15.140
  • legs, Rome, Italy was the
  • 00:27:15.140 --> 00:27:18.100
  • western branch of one leg, and
  • 00:27:18.100 --> 00:27:20.130
  • Constantinople, which was in
  • 00:27:20.130 --> 00:27:21.280
  • Turkey, was the other leg.
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  • And that came out of the
  • 00:27:24.170 --> 00:27:26.080
  • 400-year--well, I say 400-year.
  • 00:27:26.080 --> 00:27:28.080
  • They ruled Jerusalem for 400
  • 00:27:28.080 --> 00:27:29.160
  • years.
  • 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:30.090
  • Ottoman Turkish Empire.
  • 00:27:30.090 --> 00:27:31.190
  • And so, when you say that Turkey
  • 00:27:31.190 --> 00:27:34.120
  • is involved, most of your older
  • 00:27:34.120 --> 00:27:36.110
  • prophetic ministers will say
  • 00:27:36.110 --> 00:27:37.260
  • Gog and Magog, Meshech, Tubal
  • 00:27:37.260 --> 00:27:39.250
  • is Russia.
  • 00:27:39.250 --> 00:27:41.210
  • And you do have those five
  • 00:27:41.210 --> 00:27:42.160
  • southern Islamic states that may
  • 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.050
  • connect in with this.
  • 00:27:44.050 --> 00:27:45.160
  • However, Turkey is definitely a
  • 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:47.270
  • part of the two--one of the two
  • 00:27:48.130 --> 00:27:51.130
  • legs in Daniel chapter 2 because
  • 00:27:51.130 --> 00:27:53.210
  • Constantine built the New Rome,
  • 00:27:53.210 --> 00:27:56.180
  • City on Seven Hills in
  • 00:27:56.180 --> 00:27:57.180
  • Constantinople, which is
  • 00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:59.220
  • Istanbul today.
  • 00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:01.110
  • And so, it's all coming together
  • 00:28:01.110 --> 00:28:03.010
  • in an amazing way in that part
  • 00:28:03.080 --> 00:28:06.080
  • of the world.
  • 00:28:06.080 --> 00:28:07.010
  • Just real quick, let me just
  • 00:28:07.010 --> 00:28:08.270
  • mention one more time as we
  • 00:28:08.270 --> 00:28:10.090
  • continue here that Jonathan has
  • 00:28:10.090 --> 00:28:12.240
  • a book called "The Book of
  • 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.140
  • Mysteries" that is available
  • 00:28:14.140 --> 00:28:17.030
  • through his ministry.
  • 00:28:17.030 --> 00:28:18.170
  • Also, it's in the bookstore.
  • 00:28:18.170 --> 00:28:19.150
  • - Jonathan: It's everywhere,
  • 00:28:19.150 --> 00:28:20.060
  • everywhere.
  • 00:28:20.060 --> 00:28:20.250
  • - Perry: It's everywhere, it's
  • 00:28:20.250 --> 00:28:21.170
  • everywhere.
  • 00:28:21.170 --> 00:28:22.090
  • - Jonathan: You saw it at the
  • 00:28:22.090 --> 00:28:23.010
  • airport.
  • 00:28:23.010 --> 00:28:23.200
  • Oh, that's good.
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  • - Perry: And also to mention
  • 00:28:24.110 --> 00:28:25.030
  • Joel has a book that deals with
  • 00:28:25.030 --> 00:28:27.230
  • "Mystery Babylon," and we may
  • 00:28:27.230 --> 00:28:29.060
  • get to this a little bit
  • 00:28:29.060 --> 00:28:30.110
  • further, whatever he feels like
  • 00:28:30.110 --> 00:28:31.140
  • he wants to talk about.
  • 00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:33.030
  • And this goes into showing you
  • 00:28:33.030 --> 00:28:34.190
  • the details of Revelations 17 to
  • 00:28:34.190 --> 00:28:37.130
  • 18, and how it fits a whole
  • 00:28:37.130 --> 00:28:38.150
  • 'nother city that most folks
  • 00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:40.230
  • don't talk about, which is Mecca
  • 00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:41.280
  • in Saudi Arabia.
  • 00:28:41.280 --> 00:28:43.140
  • And the final thing I'll tell
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  • you before we continue our
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  • discussion is we've completed
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  • It was printed here in America,
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  • and get information on how you
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  • can get a copy of that by
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  • supporting the outreaches.
  • 00:29:06.020 --> 00:29:07.040
  • Now, going back to you,
  • 00:29:07.040 --> 00:29:08.150
  • Jonathan, what's--keep drawing
  • 00:29:08.150 --> 00:29:09.230
  • this out.
  • 00:29:09.230 --> 00:29:10.210
  • I don't want to just ask you a
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  • question 'cause I know you have
  • 00:29:11.170 --> 00:29:13.130
  • things in your spirit, and
  • 00:29:13.130 --> 00:29:14.170
  • that's where I want you--I want
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  • to go--I want both of you now to
  • 00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:16.190
  • start talking out of your heart
  • 00:29:16.190 --> 00:29:17.260
  • and spirit to the people what
  • 00:29:17.260 --> 00:29:19.030
  • you feel.
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  • - Jonathan: Yeah.
  • 00:29:19.270 --> 00:29:20.180
  • Another thing, some of that
  • 00:29:20.180 --> 00:29:21.170
  • happened in the--actually,
  • 00:29:21.170 --> 00:29:23.050
  • since we were last together,
  • 00:29:23.050 --> 00:29:24.190
  • A sign appeared, and an amazing
  • 00:29:27.150 --> 00:29:29.180
  • thing because when you look,
  • 00:29:29.180 --> 00:29:31.010
  • going back to that template last
  • 00:29:31.010 --> 00:29:32.190
  • days of Israel, harbinger, they
  • 00:29:32.190 --> 00:29:34.180
  • were worshipping a particular
  • 00:29:34.180 --> 00:29:35.230
  • God, Baal, Baal.
  • 00:29:35.230 --> 00:29:38.020
  • And this was the--this was the
  • 00:29:38.020 --> 00:29:39.170
  • anti-God.
  • 00:29:39.170 --> 00:29:40.170
  • This is the god when a nation
  • 00:29:40.170 --> 00:29:41.160
  • that has known God turns away
  • 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.240
  • from God, they go to Baal in
  • 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:43.170
  • some way.
  • 00:29:43.170 --> 00:29:44.270
  • And so, they went to Baal.
  • 00:29:44.270 --> 00:29:45.190
  • The Baal is the God of
  • 00:29:45.190 --> 00:29:46.070
  • Now, they killed thousands.
  • 00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:49.060
  • We have killed millions,
  • 00:29:49.060 --> 00:29:50.100
  • you know.
  • 00:29:50.100 --> 00:29:50.280
  • They--it was the god of
  • 00:29:50.280 --> 00:29:51.280
  • immorality.
  • 00:29:51.280 --> 00:29:52.270
  • I mean, the worship, you all
  • 00:29:52.270 --> 00:29:53.270
  • know it was sexual immorality.
  • 00:29:53.270 --> 00:29:55.190
  • Well, we have promoted that as
  • 00:29:55.190 --> 00:29:56.140
  • well.
  • 00:29:56.140 --> 00:29:57.070
  • It was the God of basically just
  • 00:29:57.070 --> 00:29:58.260
  • religious persecution.
  • 00:29:58.260 --> 00:29:59.220
  • They persecuted the prophets
  • 00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:00.230
  • under it.
  • 00:30:00.230 --> 00:30:02.040
  • So America, if it turns away
  • 00:30:02.040 --> 00:30:03.140
  • from God, then there's going to
  • 00:30:03.140 --> 00:30:05.020
  • be the spirit of Baal in some
  • 00:30:05.020 --> 00:30:06.050
  • way.
  • 00:30:06.050 --> 00:30:06.240
  • So, could the sign of Baal--when
  • 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.200
  • the harbingers were happening,
  • 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:09.140
  • they were worshipping Baal.
  • 00:30:09.140 --> 00:30:10.180
  • Could the sign of Baal actually
  • 00:30:10.180 --> 00:30:12.000
  • appear in America?
  • 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:13.010
  • And the amazing thing is it did.
  • 00:30:13.010 --> 00:30:15.050
  • And it did right at the height
  • 00:30:15.050 --> 00:30:16.040
  • of this election.
  • 00:30:16.040 --> 00:30:17.030
  • It happened--I actually
  • 00:30:17.030 --> 00:30:18.060
  • witnessed, I went down there to
  • 00:30:18.060 --> 00:30:19.050
  • witness the unveiling.
  • 00:30:19.050 --> 00:30:20.160
  • It happened in the America, and
  • 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:21.220
  • that is that what they did is
  • 00:30:21.220 --> 00:30:23.280
  • they built, they constructed the
  • 00:30:23.280 --> 00:30:26.150
  • Arch of Baal in New York City.
  • 00:30:26.150 --> 00:30:29.050
  • It's the arch through which the
  • 00:30:29.050 --> 00:30:31.080
  • worshippers of Baal would go to
  • 00:30:31.080 --> 00:30:33.160
  • the temple and worship Baal.
  • 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.190
  • It was taken, recreated
  • 00:30:35.190 --> 00:30:36.220
  • from Syria.
  • 00:30:36.220 --> 00:30:37.240
  • They recreated it in
  • 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:39.010
  • New York City.
  • 00:30:39.010 --> 00:30:40.090
  • We went down there, it was in
  • 00:30:40.090 --> 00:30:41.060
  • September, and it was--they had
  • 00:30:41.060 --> 00:30:43.080
  • it veiled up.
  • 00:30:43.080 --> 00:30:44.080
  • And then they had this big
  • 00:30:44.080 --> 00:30:45.220
  • ceremony, they unveiled it to
  • 00:30:45.220 --> 00:30:47.010
  • Middle Eastern music, sounded
  • 00:30:47.010 --> 00:30:48.240
  • like the worship of Baal.
  • 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.090
  • Had the deputy mayor of
  • 00:30:50.090 --> 00:30:51.210
  • New York--talking about
  • 00:30:51.210 --> 00:30:52.200
  • harbingers, deputy mayor.
  • 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:54.090
  • You know in "The Harbinger" that
  • 00:30:54.090 --> 00:30:55.150
  • when a harbinger appears, they
  • 00:30:55.150 --> 00:30:56.150
  • often use the word "defiance."
  • 00:30:56.150 --> 00:30:57.210
  • They say we're--you know,
  • 00:30:57.210 --> 00:30:58.200
  • we're doing this in the spirit
  • 00:30:58.200 --> 00:30:59.130
  • of defiance.
  • 00:30:59.130 --> 00:30:59.290
  • Well, the deputy mayor of
  • 00:30:59.290 --> 00:31:00.290
  • New York says, "We are doing
  • 00:31:00.290 --> 00:31:02.130
  • this arch here in the spirit
  • 00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:05.180
  • of defiance.
  • 00:31:05.180 --> 00:31:06.280
  • We're doing it as an act of
  • 00:31:06.280 --> 00:31:07.200
  • defiance."
  • 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:08.130
  • - Perry: He said that?
  • 00:31:08.130 --> 00:31:09.030
  • - Jonathan: It was a she.
  • 00:31:09.030 --> 00:31:09.220
  • She said, "In the act of
  • 00:31:09.220 --> 00:31:10.110
  • defiance," same thing that you
  • 00:31:10.110 --> 00:31:12.000
  • see in "The Harbinger" that
  • 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.020
  • always identifies the harbinger.
  • 00:31:13.020 --> 00:31:14.070
  • And then you actually had a--you
  • 00:31:14.070 --> 00:31:15.120
  • actually had a plaque in New
  • 00:31:15.120 --> 00:31:16.230
  • York City, a plaque that said
  • 00:31:16.230 --> 00:31:17.230
  • right there, it said Temple of
  • 00:31:17.230 --> 00:31:18.270
  • Baal right there.
  • 00:31:18.270 --> 00:31:20.090
  • And it was--I turned around, I
  • 00:31:20.090 --> 00:31:21.220
  • turned around, I look, and we
  • 00:31:21.220 --> 00:31:23.000
  • are like--we are a stone's
  • 00:31:23.060 --> 00:31:26.060
  • throw from Ground Zero.
  • 00:31:26.060 --> 00:31:27.030
  • We are right next to all
  • 00:31:27.030 --> 00:31:27.250
  • the other harbingers.
  • 00:31:27.250 --> 00:31:29.000
  • The sign of Baal that identifies
  • 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.040
  • a nation that has once known
  • 00:31:31.040 --> 00:31:33.020
  • God, that has been turning away
  • 00:31:33.020 --> 00:31:34.230
  • from God, that has been offering
  • 00:31:34.230 --> 00:31:36.250
  • up its children, that has been
  • 00:31:36.250 --> 00:31:38.080
  • promoting immorality, that's
  • 00:31:38.080 --> 00:31:39.070
  • beginning to persecute
  • 00:31:39.070 --> 00:31:40.100
  • believers, and that is--so,
  • 00:31:40.100 --> 00:31:41.210
  • that is an ominous thing that
  • 00:31:41.210 --> 00:31:43.020
  • that just happened.
  • 00:31:43.020 --> 00:31:44.060
  • And that happened in the midst
  • 00:31:44.060 --> 00:31:44.280
  • of the election.
  • 00:31:44.280 --> 00:31:45.200
  • Now, we got to pray that things
  • 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:46.120
  • get turned around.
  • 00:31:46.120 --> 00:31:47.040
  • - Perry: Okay, not to interrupt
  • 00:31:47.040 --> 00:31:47.280
  • you, but let me add this because
  • 00:31:47.280 --> 00:31:49.160
  • honestly, people may be asking
  • 00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:50.120
  • this question.
  • 00:31:50.120 --> 00:31:51.200
  • Why do you do that?
  • 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.230
  • What was the whole purpose?
  • 00:31:53.230 --> 00:31:55.090
  • I mean, really what's the
  • 00:31:55.090 --> 00:31:56.190
  • purpose of them putting that up?
  • 00:31:56.190 --> 00:31:58.220
  • I mean, does anybody really
  • 00:31:58.220 --> 00:32:00.020
  • know?
  • 00:32:00.020 --> 00:32:00.290
  • - Jonathan: Yeah, well, I'll
  • 00:32:00.290 --> 00:32:01.210
  • tell you, yes.
  • 00:32:01.210 --> 00:32:02.090
  • But you know what, Perry?
  • 00:32:02.090 --> 00:32:03.030
  • It's like all--actually, with
  • 00:32:03.030 --> 00:32:04.190
  • all the harbingers, you say,
  • 00:32:04.190 --> 00:32:05.140
  • "Why do they do these things?
  • 00:32:05.140 --> 00:32:06.070
  • Why do they say these things?
  • 00:32:06.070 --> 00:32:07.060
  • Why are they recreating it?"
  • 00:32:07.060 --> 00:32:08.120
  • And they're not trying to.
  • 00:32:08.120 --> 00:32:09.180
  • It's kind of--the principle is
  • 00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:10.270
  • Caiaphas.
  • 00:32:10.270 --> 00:32:11.220
  • When Caiaphas says--he says,
  • 00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:13.120
  • "One man must die for the
  • 00:32:13.120 --> 00:32:14.170
  • nation," you know, that we all
  • 00:32:14.170 --> 00:32:15.250
  • want--well, he didn't know what
  • 00:32:15.250 --> 00:32:17.060
  • he was saying.
  • 00:32:17.060 --> 00:32:17.250
  • He was talking about murder, but
  • 00:32:17.250 --> 00:32:18.230
  • God, it says the Spirit was
  • 00:32:18.230 --> 00:32:19.220
  • speaking through him.
  • 00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:20.240
  • So, he's doing this thing
  • 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:21.230
  • without knowing what he's doing.
  • 00:32:21.230 --> 00:32:23.030
  • Well, all these people just
  • 00:32:23.030 --> 00:32:24.020
  • like, you know, like in "The
  • 00:32:24.020 --> 00:32:24.270
  • Harbinger," you have these
  • 00:32:24.270 --> 00:32:25.250
  • leaders saying these things,
  • 00:32:25.250 --> 00:32:27.070
  • "Why are they pronouncing
  • 00:32:27.070 --> 00:32:28.010
  • judgment on America?"
  • 00:32:28.010 --> 00:32:28.220
  • They have no idea what they're
  • 00:32:28.220 --> 00:32:29.140
  • doing.
  • 00:32:29.140 --> 00:32:29.270
  • Well, same here.
  • 00:32:29.270 --> 00:32:30.240
  • What they were doing is they
  • 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.050
  • were trying to recreate--because
  • 00:32:32.050 --> 00:32:33.240
  • what happened is that last year,
  • 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.170
  • ISIS destroyed the temple of
  • 00:32:35.170 --> 00:32:38.050
  • Baal after 2.000 years, after
  • 00:32:38.050 --> 00:32:40.290
  • 2.000 years.
  • 00:32:40.290 --> 00:32:42.260
  • - Perry: They started
  • 00:32:42.260 --> 00:32:43.130
  • destroying all the archeological
  • 00:32:43.130 --> 00:32:44.060
  • sites.
  • 00:32:44.060 --> 00:32:44.210
  • - Jonathan: And they
  • 00:32:44.210 --> 00:32:45.120
  • specifically destroyed the
  • 00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:46.090
  • Temple of Baal in Syria.
  • 00:32:46.090 --> 00:32:47.270
  • So, what do we do?
  • 00:32:47.270 --> 00:32:48.220
  • And think about "The Harbinger"
  • 00:32:48.220 --> 00:32:50.010
  • now.
  • 00:32:50.010 --> 00:32:50.190
  • When things are destroyed, we're
  • 00:32:50.190 --> 00:32:51.170
  • going to rebuild them.
  • 00:32:51.170 --> 00:32:53.000
  • We're going to rebuild them.
  • 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:53.250
  • Well, literally now--I mean,
  • 00:32:53.250 --> 00:32:55.040
  • "The Harbinger" thing is that
  • 00:32:55.040 --> 00:32:55.260
  • they're rebuilding what the
  • 00:32:55.260 --> 00:32:56.240
  • Assyrians destroyed.
  • 00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.050
  • Well, this is from Syria.
  • 00:32:58.050 --> 00:32:59.130
  • This is ISIS, which is literally
  • 00:32:59.130 --> 00:33:01.110
  • a reincarnation of the
  • 00:33:01.110 --> 00:33:02.080
  • Assyrians.
  • 00:33:02.080 --> 00:33:03.110
  • I mean, this is--and so, we're
  • 00:33:03.110 --> 00:33:04.130
  • literally saying, "We're going
  • 00:33:04.130 --> 00:33:05.180
  • to rebuild what the Assyrians
  • 00:33:05.180 --> 00:33:06.260
  • destroyed."
  • 00:33:06.260 --> 00:33:07.140
  • So, they're saying,
  • 00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:08.000
  • "We're doing it as a sign of
  • 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.090
  • defiance to show you that, hey,
  • 00:33:09.090 --> 00:33:10.170
  • you're not going to stop
  • 00:33:10.170 --> 00:33:11.190
  • culture.
  • 00:33:11.190 --> 00:33:12.130
  • You're not going to stop
  • 00:33:12.130 --> 00:33:13.020
  • culture."
  • 00:33:13.020 --> 00:33:13.180
  • Well, what they chose
  • 00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:14.080
  • to do was the arch that led
  • 00:33:14.080 --> 00:33:15.190
  • people to worship Baal
  • 00:33:15.190 --> 00:33:16.280
  • in New York City.
  • 00:33:16.280 --> 00:33:17.270
  • So, that's why.
  • 00:33:17.270 --> 00:33:19.000
  • Yeah, it is incredible, and
  • 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:20.010
  • that's how they all--it keeps
  • 00:33:20.010 --> 00:33:21.140
  • going.
  • 00:33:21.140 --> 00:33:22.020
  • So, that's an ominous one.
  • 00:33:22.020 --> 00:33:23.040
  • - Perry: Definitely.
  • 00:33:23.040 --> 00:33:23.290
  • Now Joel, I mentioned to rabbi
  • 00:33:24.230 --> 00:33:27.230
  • here just kind of speak to your
  • 00:33:27.230 --> 00:33:28.260
  • spirit, now, where you're at,
  • 00:33:28.260 --> 00:33:30.200
  • where you've been, things
  • 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.060
  • you--some things you can't share
  • 00:33:32.060 --> 00:33:33.100
  • publicly, of course.
  • 00:33:33.100 --> 00:33:34.170
  • We talked about that off camera.
  • 00:33:34.170 --> 00:33:36.030
  • Go with us and take the people
  • 00:33:36.030 --> 00:33:37.260
  • into this part of the world that
  • 00:33:37.260 --> 00:33:40.020
  • you're dealing with, and give us
  • 00:33:40.020 --> 00:33:41.110
  • something that people
  • 00:33:41.110 --> 00:33:42.210
  • need to hear.
  • 00:33:42.210 --> 00:33:44.050
  • Maybe even globally people need
  • 00:33:44.050 --> 00:33:45.100
  • to hear especially.
  • 00:33:45.100 --> 00:33:46.060
  • - Joel: Yeah, and I think that
  • 00:33:46.060 --> 00:33:47.220
  • this actually ties in perfectly
  • 00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:48.220
  • with what Jonathan is saying,
  • 00:33:48.220 --> 00:33:50.190
  • which is, you know, we had the
  • 00:33:50.190 --> 00:33:52.100
  • Now, of course, in the original
  • 00:33:54.290 --> 00:33:56.150
  • context, this was warning
  • 00:33:56.150 --> 00:33:58.170
  • with regard to the Assyrians.
  • 00:33:58.170 --> 00:34:00.190
  • Well, when you look at Isaiah
  • 00:34:00.190 --> 00:34:02.050
  • 19, you have a passage which
  • 00:34:02.050 --> 00:34:04.180
  • proclaims, I believe, one of the
  • 00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:06.140
  • greatest end time revivals, if
  • 00:34:06.140 --> 00:34:08.130
  • not the most--the greatest end
  • 00:34:08.130 --> 00:34:09.250
  • time revival of all of Scripture
  • 00:34:09.250 --> 00:34:11.070
  • because it talks about during
  • 00:34:11.070 --> 00:34:12.160
  • the age of the Messiah that
  • 00:34:12.160 --> 00:34:14.100
  • would be united together.
  • 00:34:16.150 --> 00:34:18.020
  • Now, that can't happen unless
  • 00:34:18.020 --> 00:34:19.080
  • there's a revival in Egypt and
  • 00:34:19.080 --> 00:34:21.000
  • Assyria before the return of
  • 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:22.260
  • Jesus.
  • 00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:23.160
  • And what's amazing about this
  • 00:34:23.160 --> 00:34:24.290
  • too is that these--at the time
  • 00:34:24.290 --> 00:34:27.230
  • that Isaiah was giving this
  • 00:34:27.230 --> 00:34:29.200
  • prophecy, Egypt and Assyria were
  • 00:34:29.200 --> 00:34:31.070
  • the two great pagan adversarial
  • 00:34:31.070 --> 00:34:33.120
  • empires of the day.
  • 00:34:33.120 --> 00:34:35.080
  • So, in many ways this was--this
  • 00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:37.000
  • was like the parable of the Good
  • 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.180
  • Samaritan of the Old Testament.
  • 00:34:38.180 --> 00:34:40.010
  • It was intended to shock, you
  • 00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:41.130
  • know, 'cause everything's about
  • 00:34:41.130 --> 00:34:42.160
  • the Old Testament.
  • 00:34:42.160 --> 00:34:43.040
  • "Israel my people, Israel my
  • 00:34:43.040 --> 00:34:44.010
  • people," and all of a sudden,
  • 00:34:44.010 --> 00:34:45.200
  • God goes, "Oh, by the way,
  • 00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:46.230
  • Egypt's going to be my people,
  • 00:34:46.230 --> 00:34:48.050
  • and Assyria's going to be
  • 00:34:48.050 --> 00:34:49.110
  • the work of my hands."
  • 00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:50.040
  • And they're going, "What?"
  • 00:34:50.040 --> 00:34:51.040
  • You know, and so, here's
  • 00:34:51.040 --> 00:34:52.160
  • the thing is the Lord said,
  • 00:34:52.160 --> 00:34:54.160
  • "I'm going to have a revival
  • 00:34:54.160 --> 00:34:55.250
  • in Assyria."
  • 00:34:55.250 --> 00:34:56.120
  • What does Satan do?
  • 00:34:56.120 --> 00:34:57.200
  • Satan moves in his armies, and
  • 00:34:57.200 --> 00:34:59.280
  • he starts beheading people, he
  • 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.130
  • starts raping, and kidnapping,
  • 00:35:01.130 --> 00:35:02.290
  • and doing--I mean, just brazen,
  • 00:35:02.290 --> 00:35:04.210
  • brazen satanic acts.
  • 00:35:04.210 --> 00:35:06.250
  • And not only that, but they have
  • 00:35:06.250 --> 00:35:08.180
  • some of the--they have some of
  • 00:35:08.180 --> 00:35:09.200
  • the greatest videographers
  • 00:35:09.200 --> 00:35:11.030
  • putting out video, you know,
  • 00:35:11.030 --> 00:35:12.250
  • with $100.000 cameras,
  • 00:35:12.250 --> 00:35:14.120
  • and they're controlling
  • 00:35:14.120 --> 00:35:15.170
  • social media.
  • 00:35:15.170 --> 00:35:16.150
  • Now, listen to this, ISIS was
  • 00:35:16.150 --> 00:35:19.000
  • able to recruit 30.000 young
  • 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.070
  • people from all over the world
  • 00:35:21.070 --> 00:35:22.080
  • to come join them.
  • 00:35:22.080 --> 00:35:23.200
  • We haven't been able
  • 00:35:23.200 --> 00:35:24.200
  • to recruit--
  • 00:35:24.200 --> 00:35:25.050
  • - Perry: Just through social
  • 00:35:25.050 --> 00:35:25.260
  • media?
  • 00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:26.130
  • - Joel: Through the power of
  • 00:35:26.130 --> 00:35:27.040
  • social media.
  • 00:35:27.040 --> 00:35:27.290
  • We haven't been able to recruit
  • 00:35:27.290 --> 00:35:28.290
  • 3.000 young people to give
  • 00:35:28.290 --> 00:35:31.010
  • themselves as missionaries
  • 00:35:31.010 --> 00:35:32.080
  • to the Middle East.
  • 00:35:32.080 --> 00:35:33.170
  • You know, so Satan's winning
  • 00:35:33.170 --> 00:35:35.290
  • a little bit with this one.
  • 00:35:35.290 --> 00:35:37.010
  • But now, of course,
  • 00:35:37.010 --> 00:35:37.290
  • they're starting to fall.
  • 00:35:37.290 --> 00:35:38.240
  • But here's the thing.
  • 00:35:38.240 --> 00:35:40.000
  • Satan says, "Oh, the Lord's
  • 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:40.280
  • going to have a revival here.
  • 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.050
  • I'm going to move in my armies."
  • 00:35:42.050 --> 00:35:43.060
  • God says, "I knew you were going
  • 00:35:43.060 --> 00:35:44.120
  • to do that," right?
  • 00:35:44.120 --> 00:35:45.210
  • And so, what many of the people
  • 00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:48.150
  • throughout the Middle East are
  • 00:35:48.150 --> 00:35:49.090
  • doing now is they're looking at
  • 00:35:49.090 --> 00:35:50.180
  • this, and they don't buy into
  • 00:35:50.180 --> 00:35:52.010
  • the western, "Oh well,
  • 00:35:52.010 --> 00:35:53.170
  • this is not real Islam."
  • 00:35:53.170 --> 00:35:55.160
  • You know, the bottom line is
  • 00:35:55.160 --> 00:35:56.260
  • if you read the
  • 00:35:56.260 --> 00:35:57.270
  • early source text of Muhammad
  • 00:35:57.270 --> 00:35:59.050
  • and his conquest after he died
  • 00:35:59.050 --> 00:36:01.150
  • of the Middle East, ISIS is
  • 00:36:01.150 --> 00:36:03.030
  • doing all the same things.
  • 00:36:03.030 --> 00:36:04.100
  • And they know that, they know
  • 00:36:04.100 --> 00:36:05.070
  • that these guys are studying the
  • 00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:06.170
  • Quran and the hadith and all of
  • 00:36:06.170 --> 00:36:08.020
  • these things.
  • 00:36:08.020 --> 00:36:09.010
  • And they go, "If this is Islam,
  • 00:36:09.010 --> 00:36:10.230
  • I don't think this is God, and
  • 00:36:10.230 --> 00:36:13.020
  • I don't think I want this."
  • 00:36:13.020 --> 00:36:14.140
  • And so, I know this show is
  • 00:36:14.140 --> 00:36:16.070
  • watched throughout the
  • 00:36:16.070 --> 00:36:17.020
  • Middle East.
  • 00:36:17.020 --> 00:36:17.190
  • Many people throughout the
  • 00:36:17.190 --> 00:36:18.130
  • Middle East, many Muslims, more
  • 00:36:18.130 --> 00:36:19.210
  • moderate Muslims who are
  • 00:36:19.210 --> 00:36:21.020
  • following their God-given
  • 00:36:21.020 --> 00:36:22.020
  • conscience, they're leaving
  • 00:36:22.020 --> 00:36:23.230
  • Islam.
  • 00:36:23.230 --> 00:36:24.160
  • And just like the Lord said he's
  • 00:36:24.160 --> 00:36:26.100
  • going to do, he's going to have
  • 00:36:26.100 --> 00:36:27.130
  • a revival in that part of the
  • 00:36:27.130 --> 00:36:28.080
  • world.
  • 00:36:28.080 --> 00:36:28.270
  • And you know, I just came from
  • 00:36:28.270 --> 00:36:30.100
  • there recently, I'll be going
  • 00:36:30.100 --> 00:36:31.080
  • back there very soon.
  • 00:36:31.080 --> 00:36:32.140
  • And I can tell you there are
  • 00:36:32.140 --> 00:36:33.250
  • more Kurds, there are more
  • 00:36:33.250 --> 00:36:35.150
  • Iranians, there are more
  • 00:36:35.150 --> 00:36:36.290
  • Afghanis being baptized into
  • 00:36:36.290 --> 00:36:39.190
  • Messiah than in any time in
  • 00:36:39.190 --> 00:36:42.070
  • human history.
  • 00:36:42.070 --> 00:36:43.130
  • So, what Satan has intended for
  • 00:36:43.130 --> 00:36:44.170
  • bad, the Lord is using for his--
  • 00:36:44.170 --> 00:36:46.110
  • - Perry: Do you discover in
  • 00:36:46.110 --> 00:36:47.020
  • your travels that it's almost
  • 00:36:47.050 --> 00:36:50.050
  • like in America?
  • 00:36:50.050 --> 00:36:51.080
  • In the United States, we talk
  • 00:36:51.080 --> 00:36:52.050
  • about Christianity, and we see
  • 00:36:52.050 --> 00:36:54.040
  • maybe people let's say that's 50
  • 00:36:54.040 --> 00:36:56.000
  • and older, they have an
  • 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.170
  • established idea and established
  • 00:36:57.170 --> 00:36:58.290
  • denomination,
  • 00:36:58.290 --> 00:36:59.260
  • "This is what I believe."
  • 00:36:59.260 --> 00:37:00.280
  • And it's hard to convince
  • 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.010
  • them of a doctrine
  • 00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:04.000
  • or teaching that is different
  • 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:05.180
  • than how they were raised.
  • 00:37:05.180 --> 00:37:07.020
  • But when you get to the teens
  • 00:37:07.020 --> 00:37:09.030
  • and the 20s and the 30s,
  • 00:37:09.030 --> 00:37:10.250
  • they're wide open to, "Okay,
  • 00:37:10.250 --> 00:37:13.140
  • tell me about it."
  • 00:37:13.140 --> 00:37:14.090
  • Do you find that the revival
  • 00:37:14.090 --> 00:37:15.150
  • happening in that part
  • 00:37:15.150 --> 00:37:16.250
  • of the world is a lot of young
  • 00:37:16.250 --> 00:37:18.010
  • people?
  • 00:37:18.010 --> 00:37:18.280
  • - Joel: It's actually
  • 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:20.090
  • everybody, but yes, there is
  • 00:37:20.090 --> 00:37:21.130
  • a lot of young people.
  • 00:37:21.130 --> 00:37:22.150
  • There's a movement of young
  • 00:37:22.150 --> 00:37:24.080
  • worshippers and intercessors
  • 00:37:24.080 --> 00:37:26.010
  • that the House of Prayer is
  • 00:37:26.010 --> 00:37:27.160
  • being raised up in that part of
  • 00:37:27.160 --> 00:37:28.210
  • the world.
  • 00:37:28.210 --> 00:37:29.090
  • You wouldn't believe it.
  • 00:37:29.090 --> 00:37:29.280
  • Throughout Istanbul, Turkey,
  • 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.130
  • even in Erbil in northern Iraq,
  • 00:37:31.130 --> 00:37:34.000
  • there is a House of Prayer
  • 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:35.080
  • where the Arabs, the Kurds,
  • 00:37:35.080 --> 00:37:36.200
  • and missionaries, they come
  • 00:37:36.200 --> 00:37:37.280
  • together, and they're praying
  • 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:38.240
  • and worshipping, and letting
  • 00:37:38.240 --> 00:37:40.260
  • the incense go before the altar.
  • 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:42.170
  • And that's drawing a lot of
  • 00:37:42.170 --> 00:37:43.280
  • the young people.
  • 00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:44.250
  • But in terms of those that are
  • 00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:46.100
  • getting baptized,
  • 00:37:46.100 --> 00:37:47.080
  • it's from all ages.
  • 00:37:47.080 --> 00:37:48.160
  • And the Lord is using the
  • 00:37:48.160 --> 00:37:50.070
  • emergence of information media
  • 00:37:50.070 --> 00:37:52.200
  • and social media to help open up
  • 00:37:52.200 --> 00:37:54.180
  • the world.
  • 00:37:54.180 --> 00:37:55.140
  • - Perry: Do you also hear
  • 00:37:55.140 --> 00:37:56.080
  • stories of Muslim youth or men,
  • 00:37:56.150 --> 00:37:59.150
  • older men, women who are having
  • 00:37:59.150 --> 00:38:01.140
  • dreams of Christ, and they're
  • 00:38:01.140 --> 00:38:03.100
  • coming out saying, "I dreamed
  • 00:38:03.100 --> 00:38:04.220
  • about him.
  • 00:38:04.220 --> 00:38:06.040
  • I dreamed about Jesus," or they
  • 00:38:06.040 --> 00:38:07.020
  • call him Isa, I believe.
  • 00:38:07.020 --> 00:38:08.160
  • Do you hear a lot of that when
  • 00:38:08.160 --> 00:38:10.090
  • you travel?
  • 00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:11.030
  • - Joel: Yeah, there's tons of
  • 00:38:11.030 --> 00:38:11.250
  • that.
  • 00:38:11.250 --> 00:38:12.110
  • - Perry: Really?
  • 00:38:12.110 --> 00:38:13.040
  • - Joel: Yeah, and I can tell
  • 00:38:13.040 --> 00:38:13.260
  • you crazy stories.
  • 00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:14.280
  • Should I tell you one real
  • 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.250
  • quick?
  • 00:38:16.250 --> 00:38:17.170
  • - Perry: Tell me, I want to
  • 00:38:17.170 --> 00:38:18.080
  • hear a crazy one.
  • 00:38:18.080 --> 00:38:18.250
  • Let's hear a crazy one.
  • 00:38:18.250 --> 00:38:19.130
  • - Joel: Okay, this one's
  • 00:38:19.130 --> 00:38:20.020
  • like--this one's like 2 years
  • 00:38:20.020 --> 00:38:20.270
  • old.
  • 00:38:20.270 --> 00:38:21.260
  • I was in Egypt visiting with the
  • 00:38:21.260 --> 00:38:22.270
  • believers.
  • 00:38:22.270 --> 00:38:24.010
  • And just the week before I
  • 00:38:24.010 --> 00:38:25.000
  • arrived, this young Christian
  • 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:26.250
  • girl got into a taxi, and the
  • 00:38:26.250 --> 00:38:29.030
  • driver was a Salafi.
  • 00:38:29.030 --> 00:38:31.220
  • That's a radical Wahhabi--these
  • 00:38:31.220 --> 00:38:33.140
  • are the most radical.
  • 00:38:33.140 --> 00:38:34.240
  • And the Lord speaks to her and
  • 00:38:34.240 --> 00:38:36.170
  • says, "I want you to tell him
  • 00:38:36.170 --> 00:38:37.160
  • that I love him."
  • 00:38:37.160 --> 00:38:38.270
  • She goes, "Forget about it."
  • 00:38:38.270 --> 00:38:39.270
  • Christian woman
  • 00:38:39.270 --> 00:38:40.190
  • are being raped, kidnapped.
  • 00:38:40.190 --> 00:38:41.250
  • She goes, "He'll kidnap me."
  • 00:38:41.250 --> 00:38:43.030
  • And so,
  • 00:38:43.030 --> 00:38:43.240
  • the Lord keeps prodding her.
  • 00:38:43.240 --> 00:38:44.230
  • Finally, she says, "Okay."
  • 00:38:44.230 --> 00:38:45.290
  • She says,
  • 00:38:45.290 --> 00:38:46.290
  • "Here's what I'm going to do,
  • 00:38:46.290 --> 00:38:47.270
  • I'm going to have him take
  • 00:38:47.270 --> 00:38:49.040
  • me to a different location, some
  • 00:38:49.040 --> 00:38:50.120
  • place very crowded so he can't
  • 00:38:50.120 --> 00:38:51.170
  • kidnap me."
  • 00:38:51.170 --> 00:38:52.190
  • And she said, "I'm
  • 00:38:52.190 --> 00:38:53.200
  • going to get out of the car
  • 00:38:53.200 --> 00:38:54.140
  • first, I'm going to give him the
  • 00:38:54.140 --> 00:38:55.150
  • money, and then going to say,
  • 00:38:55.150 --> 00:38:56.170
  • 'Yeshua loves you,'"
  • 00:38:56.170 --> 00:38:58.030
  • and then kind of high tail it.
  • 00:38:58.030 --> 00:39:00.080
  • So, she does that, she gets to
  • 00:39:00.080 --> 00:39:01.010
  • the location, she gives him the
  • 00:39:01.010 --> 00:39:01.270
  • money, she says,
  • 00:39:01.270 --> 00:39:02.200
  • "Yeshua loves you."
  • 00:39:02.200 --> 00:39:03.140
  • He says,
  • 00:39:03.140 --> 00:39:04.050
  • "What did you just say?"
  • 00:39:04.050 --> 00:39:05.130
  • She said, "Yeshua loves you."
  • 00:39:05.130 --> 00:39:06.270
  • He says,
  • 00:39:06.270 --> 00:39:07.140
  • "I need to talk to you."
  • 00:39:07.140 --> 00:39:08.060
  • He says, "The past few weeks,
  • 00:39:08.060 --> 00:39:09.270
  • I've been having dreams where
  • 00:39:09.270 --> 00:39:11.250
  • Jesus has been appearing to me.
  • 00:39:11.250 --> 00:39:13.190
  • But he's been telling me all
  • 00:39:13.190 --> 00:39:14.200
  • these things that go against
  • 00:39:14.200 --> 00:39:15.270
  • the Quran, so I've been
  • 00:39:15.270 --> 00:39:17.180
  • disregarding it."
  • 00:39:17.180 --> 00:39:18.250
  • He said, "But last night,
  • 00:39:18.250 --> 00:39:20.050
  • he looked at me very sternly and
  • 00:39:20.050 --> 00:39:21.130
  • he said, "So that you will know
  • 00:39:21.130 --> 00:39:22.250
  • that it is I who've been
  • 00:39:22.250 --> 00:39:23.250
  • speaking to you, tomorrow,
  • 00:39:23.250 --> 00:39:25.180
  • a young Christian girl will
  • 00:39:25.180 --> 00:39:26.270
  • get into the taxi.
  • 00:39:26.270 --> 00:39:27.290
  • She'll have you take you to
  • 00:39:27.290 --> 00:39:29.080
  • the location, she'll get out of
  • 00:39:29.080 --> 00:39:30.200
  • the car and give you the money,
  • 00:39:30.200 --> 00:39:31.280
  • and she will tell you that
  • 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:33.070
  • I love you."
  • 00:39:33.070 --> 00:39:34.010
  • And I mean, just
  • 00:39:34.010 --> 00:39:35.200
  • exact--and so, I followed up,
  • 00:39:35.200 --> 00:39:37.190
  • this is not evangelistic
  • 00:39:37.190 --> 00:39:38.270
  • exaggeration.
  • 00:39:38.270 --> 00:39:40.040
  • I followed up and he's been
  • 00:39:40.040 --> 00:39:41.090
  • baptized, he's part of the
  • 00:39:41.090 --> 00:39:42.180
  • community service.
  • 00:39:42.180 --> 00:39:43.230
  • - Perry: One more question.
  • 00:39:43.230 --> 00:39:44.230
  • I want to flip it back here to
  • 00:39:44.230 --> 00:39:45.280
  • Jonathan.
  • 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:46.260
  • I'm hearing reports out of that
  • 00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:49.010
  • part of the world that some of
  • 00:39:49.010 --> 00:39:49.280
  • the ISIS soldiers have actually
  • 00:39:50.270 --> 00:39:53.270
  • come to know--not many,
  • 00:39:53.270 --> 00:39:55.060
  • but there's been some that have
  • 00:39:55.060 --> 00:39:56.210
  • boldly come to know the Lord.
  • 00:39:56.210 --> 00:39:58.010
  • Have you got a confirmation
  • 00:39:58.010 --> 00:39:59.290
  • on that?
  • 00:39:59.290 --> 00:40:00.290
  • - Joel: I've heard some
  • 00:40:00.290 --> 00:40:02.030
  • stories.
  • 00:40:02.030 --> 00:40:03.010
  • So, you got to understand a lot
  • 00:40:03.010 --> 00:40:04.010
  • of these ISIS soldiers are
  • 00:40:04.010 --> 00:40:05.130
  • young kids.
  • 00:40:05.130 --> 00:40:06.020
  • Some of them are 15 years old,
  • 00:40:06.020 --> 00:40:07.130
  • and they get pressured into it,
  • 00:40:07.130 --> 00:40:08.160
  • and so some of them are being
  • 00:40:08.160 --> 00:40:10.200
  • convicted, but I've haven't had
  • 00:40:10.200 --> 00:40:13.070
  • any solid confirmations.
  • 00:40:13.070 --> 00:40:15.130
  • - Perry: Okay, well, I'm glad.
  • 00:40:15.130 --> 00:40:16.130
  • That's why I wanted to ask you
  • 00:40:16.130 --> 00:40:17.170
  • 'cause you know, you're familiar
  • 00:40:17.170 --> 00:40:18.190
  • with that territory.
  • 00:40:18.190 --> 00:40:19.240
  • All right, Jonathan, what
  • 00:40:19.240 --> 00:40:20.220
  • else--what else do you have
  • 00:40:20.220 --> 00:40:21.230
  • here?
  • 00:40:21.230 --> 00:40:22.120
  • - Jonathan: Well, major thing
  • 00:40:22.120 --> 00:40:23.040
  • happened this year, and center
  • 00:40:23.040 --> 00:40:24.040
  • of all prophecy is--
  • 00:40:24.040 --> 00:40:25.230
  • - Perry: Yeah, by the way, tell
  • 00:40:25.230 --> 00:40:26.150
  • me about Cuba.
  • 00:40:26.150 --> 00:40:27.140
  • - Jonathan: Yeah, okay, okay,
  • 00:40:27.140 --> 00:40:28.170
  • Cuba.
  • 00:40:28.170 --> 00:40:29.070
  • - Perry: I just thought about
  • 00:40:29.070 --> 00:40:29.280
  • this.
  • 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:30.110
  • I got quickened into my spirit.
  • 00:40:30.110 --> 00:40:31.050
  • He said you had something about
  • 00:40:31.050 --> 00:40:32.080
  • Cuba.
  • 00:40:32.080 --> 00:40:32.230
  • - Jonathan: Well, this is--you
  • 00:40:32.230 --> 00:40:33.150
  • know, this year--have we noticed
  • 00:40:33.150 --> 00:40:34.170
  • as we ended this year,
  • 00:40:34.170 --> 00:40:35.230
  • Fidel Castro, who had ruled Cuba
  • 00:40:35.230 --> 00:40:37.110
  • with an iron hand for about
  • 00:40:37.110 --> 00:40:38.190
  • half a century, died.
  • 00:40:38.190 --> 00:40:40.130
  • Now, I'm free to tell you
  • 00:40:40.130 --> 00:40:41.230
  • something that I wasn't able
  • 00:40:41.230 --> 00:40:42.250
  • to tell.
  • 00:40:42.250 --> 00:40:43.200
  • I was--a while back, years ago,
  • 00:40:44.080 --> 00:40:47.080
  • Fidel Castro opened up his
  • 00:40:47.080 --> 00:40:48.210
  • eyelids for the gospel for one
  • 00:40:48.210 --> 00:40:50.150
  • month.
  • 00:40:50.150 --> 00:40:51.130
  • He said, "I'm going to show
  • 00:40:51.130 --> 00:40:52.030
  • the world there is--you know,
  • 00:40:52.030 --> 00:40:53.250
  • there's freedom in Cuba."
  • 00:40:53.250 --> 00:40:54.200
  • Well, there really wasn't, but
  • 00:40:54.200 --> 00:40:55.170
  • he said, "I'm going to open up."
  • 00:40:55.170 --> 00:40:56.190
  • The believers of Cuba asked me
  • 00:40:56.190 --> 00:40:57.150
  • to come, and sound the shofar,
  • 00:40:57.150 --> 00:40:59.230
  • and open up this--the gospel
  • 00:40:59.230 --> 00:41:01.240
  • going to Cuba.
  • 00:41:01.240 --> 00:41:03.100
  • - Perry: When was this, do you
  • 00:41:03.100 --> 00:41:04.020
  • remember?
  • 00:41:04.020 --> 00:41:04.170
  • - Jonathan: This was--this was
  • 00:41:04.170 --> 00:41:05.090
  • like 2000, '99, 2000.
  • 00:41:05.090 --> 00:41:06.210
  • - Perry: Wow, okay.
  • 00:41:06.210 --> 00:41:07.130
  • - Jonathan: And so, I went
  • 00:41:07.130 --> 00:41:08.060
  • there, and I'm praying, "Lord,
  • 00:41:08.060 --> 00:41:08.290
  • what word do you want me to
  • 00:41:08.290 --> 00:41:09.200
  • share to Cuba?"
  • 00:41:09.200 --> 00:41:10.190
  • You know, and so I get the word
  • 00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:12.050
  • jubilee, jubilee, jubilee.
  • 00:41:12.050 --> 00:41:13.220
  • Now, jubilee is a dangerous
  • 00:41:13.220 --> 00:41:15.200
  • thing to share in Cuba because
  • 00:41:15.200 --> 00:41:16.260
  • jubilee is saying, "Freedom, I'm
  • 00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:18.190
  • proclaiming freedom, liberation.
  • 00:41:18.190 --> 00:41:20.050
  • You shall be released.
  • 00:41:20.050 --> 00:41:21.110
  • You'll be--what you lost you'll
  • 00:41:21.110 --> 00:41:22.200
  • be restored to."
  • 00:41:22.200 --> 00:41:23.210
  • - Perry: That's from the 50th
  • 00:41:23.210 --> 00:41:24.130
  • year too.
  • 00:41:24.130 --> 00:41:25.000
  • Jubilee is 50.
  • 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:26.040
  • - Jonathan: It is.
  • 00:41:26.040 --> 00:41:27.010
  • And there's something there.
  • 00:41:27.010 --> 00:41:28.030
  • So, I'm going all around Cuba,
  • 00:41:28.030 --> 00:41:29.280
  • and actually this whole thing
  • 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.050
  • for a month went from--it
  • 00:41:31.050 --> 00:41:32.190
  • retraces the revolution of
  • 00:41:32.190 --> 00:41:33.240
  • Castro.
  • 00:41:33.240 --> 00:41:35.020
  • We went from the east to--ended
  • 00:41:35.020 --> 00:41:36.150
  • up in Revolutionary Square, but
  • 00:41:36.150 --> 00:41:37.240
  • for the gospel.
  • 00:41:37.240 --> 00:41:38.280
  • And so, I'm going all around
  • 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:39.240
  • Cuba proclaiming, "El jubilee,
  • 00:41:39.240 --> 00:41:41.160
  • the jubilee, jubilee, jubilee."
  • 00:41:41.160 --> 00:41:43.030
  • My translator is having a heart
  • 00:41:43.030 --> 00:41:44.080
  • attack, and there's secret
  • 00:41:44.080 --> 00:41:45.070
  • service there.
  • 00:41:45.070 --> 00:41:46.020
  • And all over Cuba at that time,
  • 00:41:46.020 --> 00:41:47.050
  • they had these posters saying,
  • 00:41:47.050 --> 00:41:48.140
  • "El Jubileo, jubilee is coming
  • 00:41:48.140 --> 00:41:50.270
  • to Cuba," with a picture of me
  • 00:41:50.270 --> 00:41:51.250
  • blowing the shofar.
  • 00:41:51.250 --> 00:41:52.270
  • It was all over.
  • 00:41:52.270 --> 00:41:53.190
  • And so--and so I got--we got
  • 00:41:53.190 --> 00:41:55.110
  • reports back that Fidel Castro
  • 00:41:55.110 --> 00:41:57.100
  • was watching me, and Fidel
  • 00:41:57.100 --> 00:41:58.220
  • Castro had two--first he asked,
  • 00:41:58.220 --> 00:42:00.220
  • "Who is this man with a beard
  • 00:42:00.220 --> 00:42:01.260
  • causing such a ruckus?"
  • 00:42:01.260 --> 00:42:03.080
  • That was the first question.
  • 00:42:03.080 --> 00:42:04.050
  • And then he found out I was
  • 00:42:04.050 --> 00:42:04.280
  • Jewish, he said, "What is this
  • 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:05.220
  • Jewish man doing in the church?"
  • 00:42:05.220 --> 00:42:07.260
  • So, that's what happened.
  • 00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:08.240
  • So, we ended up--we ended up
  • 00:42:08.240 --> 00:42:10.240
  • getting to Revolutionary Square,
  • 00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:12.170
  • the final thing, and
  • 00:42:12.170 --> 00:42:13.110
  • Fidel Castro comes.
  • 00:42:13.110 --> 00:42:14.060
  • I get an invitation to go to the
  • 00:42:14.060 --> 00:42:15.140
  • presidential palace where he is,
  • 00:42:15.140 --> 00:42:17.100
  • and I was led by the Lord.
  • 00:42:17.100 --> 00:42:18.210
  • I thought--somebody gave me
  • 00:42:18.210 --> 00:42:20.010
  • a word like a prophecy before
  • 00:42:20.010 --> 00:42:20.290
  • I went that it was going
  • 00:42:20.290 --> 00:42:21.270
  • to happen.
  • 00:42:21.270 --> 00:42:22.150
  • So, the doors open up, I go in,
  • 00:42:22.150 --> 00:42:23.290
  • and I give him three gifts.
  • 00:42:23.290 --> 00:42:26.110
  • I give him a give a jubilee
  • 00:42:26.180 --> 00:42:29.180
  • shofar with a Scripture
  • 00:42:29.180 --> 00:42:31.030
  • on it, and I give a prophetic
  • 00:42:31.030 --> 00:42:32.220
  • message, which I wrote down to
  • 00:42:32.220 --> 00:42:34.030
  • him about the jubilee, about the
  • 00:42:34.030 --> 00:42:35.280
  • jubilee and about Cuba.
  • 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:36.270
  • Okay, so here's the thing.
  • 00:42:36.270 --> 00:42:39.160
  • In this--in this message, in the
  • 00:42:39.160 --> 00:42:42.010
  • jubilee was a mystery that I
  • 00:42:42.010 --> 00:42:43.070
  • didn't realize at the time, but
  • 00:42:43.070 --> 00:42:44.020
  • I was led to tell him,
  • 00:42:44.020 --> 00:42:45.070
  • "Jubilee, jubilee."
  • 00:42:45.070 --> 00:42:45.270
  • Well, as you just alluded to,
  • 00:42:45.270 --> 00:42:47.050
  • there's a countdown.
  • 00:42:47.050 --> 00:42:48.110
  • Jubilee has a timing to it.
  • 00:42:48.110 --> 00:42:49.130
  • Jubilee, you shall--Leviticus,
  • 00:42:49.130 --> 00:42:51.040
  • "Seven times you'll count, 7
  • 00:42:51.040 --> 00:42:52.190
  • times 7 years, 49 years, and
  • 00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:53.260
  • then comes the jubilee."
  • 00:42:53.260 --> 00:42:54.280
  • Well, if you take the day that
  • 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.090
  • they lost their freedom, you
  • 00:42:57.090 --> 00:42:58.270
  • take the year they lost their
  • 00:42:58.270 --> 00:43:00.040
  • freedom, they lost everything,
  • 00:43:00.040 --> 00:43:00.290
  • the year was--actually, we all
  • 00:43:00.290 --> 00:43:02.150
  • know this year, 1959.
  • 00:43:02.150 --> 00:43:04.020
  • Okay, and that's when he came to
  • 00:43:04.020 --> 00:43:05.160
  • power.
  • 00:43:05.160 --> 00:43:06.030
  • Count 7 times 7 years, 49 years,
  • 00:43:06.030 --> 00:43:08.280
  • it takes you to 2008, 2008 is
  • 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.180
  • the year that Fidel's Castro's
  • 00:43:11.270 --> 00:43:14.270
  • reign came to an end.
  • 00:43:14.270 --> 00:43:15.290
  • He had to step down, the
  • 00:43:15.290 --> 00:43:16.180
  • jubilee, exactly timed by
  • 00:43:16.180 --> 00:43:18.030
  • Leviticus.
  • 00:43:18.030 --> 00:43:19.160
  • In fact, in fact, Perry, if you
  • 00:43:19.160 --> 00:43:21.140
  • take the exact day that he--that
  • 00:43:21.140 --> 00:43:23.200
  • he began was New Year's, January
  • 00:43:23.200 --> 00:43:25.140
  • 1st, 1959, add a jubilee of
  • 00:43:25.140 --> 00:43:27.160
  • years and a jubilee of days.
  • 00:43:27.160 --> 00:43:29.060
  • Seven times seven days,
  • 00:43:29.060 --> 00:43:30.060
  • forty-nine years, forty-nine
  • 00:43:30.060 --> 00:43:31.190
  • days, it takes you to February
  • 00:43:31.190 --> 00:43:33.170
  • 19th, 2008.
  • 00:43:33.170 --> 00:43:35.020
  • February 19th is the exact day
  • 00:43:35.020 --> 00:43:37.060
  • he stepped down,
  • 00:43:37.060 --> 00:43:38.110
  • the jubilee of God.
  • 00:43:38.110 --> 00:43:40.140
  • Hear, hear the power of God.
  • 00:43:40.140 --> 00:43:41.240
  • We're trying to--we're trying to
  • 00:43:41.240 --> 00:43:42.210
  • remove him.
  • 00:43:42.210 --> 00:43:43.120
  • We couldn't do it, but the power
  • 00:43:43.120 --> 00:43:44.140
  • of God, the power of God was all
  • 00:43:44.140 --> 00:43:46.050
  • there, and he got the word.
  • 00:43:46.050 --> 00:43:47.180
  • And there are people around him
  • 00:43:47.180 --> 00:43:48.230
  • who came to the Lord.
  • 00:43:48.230 --> 00:43:50.010
  • There was revival in Cuba.
  • 00:43:50.010 --> 00:43:51.120
  • There was revival happening all
  • 00:43:51.120 --> 00:43:52.290
  • over Cuba.
  • 00:43:52.290 --> 00:43:53.210
  • And so, the power of God is
  • 00:43:53.210 --> 00:43:54.260
  • don't see this in the news, but
  • 00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:57.260
  • this is--
  • 00:43:57.260 --> 00:43:58.280
  • - Perry: Now, go back to say
  • 00:43:58.280 --> 00:43:59.200
  • what you were going to say.
  • 00:43:59.200 --> 00:44:00.260
  • That was what I wanted you
  • 00:44:00.260 --> 00:44:01.220
  • to--wanted you to share.
  • 00:44:01.220 --> 00:44:02.160
  • - Jonathan: Oh, to Cuba?
  • 00:44:02.160 --> 00:44:03.190
  • I can tell you something else.
  • 00:44:03.190 --> 00:44:05.020
  • Let me tell you another thing,
  • 00:44:05.020 --> 00:44:06.000
  • but it's really cool.
  • 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:06.250
  • And then I'll share--whenever we
  • 00:44:06.250 --> 00:44:07.190
  • have time, I'll share.
  • 00:44:07.190 --> 00:44:08.090
  • Okay, Jerusalem at the end, but
  • 00:44:08.090 --> 00:44:09.050
  • here's the thing.
  • 00:44:09.050 --> 00:44:10.040
  • Here, let me just tell you one
  • 00:44:10.040 --> 00:44:10.250
  • story, you'll like it.
  • 00:44:10.250 --> 00:44:11.250
  • Okay, it's linked to this.
  • 00:44:11.250 --> 00:44:12.230
  • While I was in Cuba, a guy comes
  • 00:44:12.230 --> 00:44:13.220
  • off the road, and he says, "I
  • 00:44:13.220 --> 00:44:15.030
  • got to talk to the Jewish guy."
  • 00:44:15.030 --> 00:44:16.090
  • I'm saying, "What's that about?"
  • 00:44:16.090 --> 00:44:17.050
  • He says, "Well, before you came,
  • 00:44:17.050 --> 00:44:18.150
  • we were on the mountains of
  • 00:44:18.150 --> 00:44:19.180
  • Cuba, and God said there's
  • 00:44:19.180 --> 00:44:20.200
  • a curse on this island.
  • 00:44:20.200 --> 00:44:22.030
  • And there has to be--it's linked
  • 00:44:22.030 --> 00:44:23.150
  • to the Jewish people."
  • 00:44:23.150 --> 00:44:24.110
  • Because they turned away Jewish
  • 00:44:24.110 --> 00:44:25.110
  • refugees for the Holocaust.
  • 00:44:25.110 --> 00:44:26.240
  • Said, "A Jewish person," they
  • 00:44:26.240 --> 00:44:27.210
  • told, "has to come here.
  • 00:44:27.210 --> 00:44:28.220
  • The Jewish people have to come
  • 00:44:28.220 --> 00:44:29.150
  • here and the curse can
  • 00:44:29.150 --> 00:44:30.040
  • be broken." I said,
  • 00:44:30.040 --> 00:44:30.200
  • "That's interesting." But he
  • 00:44:30.200 --> 00:44:31.210
  • said, he said, "Look, there's a
  • 00:44:31.210 --> 00:44:32.150
  • mountain there.
  • 00:44:32.150 --> 00:44:33.060
  • God told us they--" On the top
  • 00:44:33.060 --> 00:44:34.040
  • of the mountain, they were
  • 00:44:34.040 --> 00:44:35.050
  • offering--they were having
  • 00:44:35.050 --> 00:44:36.010
  • And he says, "There's a curse.
  • 00:44:38.030 --> 00:44:39.020
  • But God is going to turn the
  • 00:44:39.020 --> 00:44:40.160
  • curse into a blessing."
  • 00:44:40.160 --> 00:44:41.180
  • I said, "That's weird."
  • 00:44:41.180 --> 00:44:43.110
  • I said, "Well, God, I guess you
  • 00:44:43.110 --> 00:44:44.030
  • want me to go up this
  • 00:44:44.030 --> 00:44:44.200
  • mountain," so, I go up
  • 00:44:44.200 --> 00:44:45.080
  • the mountain the next day with a
  • 00:44:45.080 --> 00:44:46.250
  • shofar, go up to the top of the
  • 00:44:46.250 --> 00:44:47.170
  • mountain, they have all the gods
  • 00:44:47.170 --> 00:44:48.250
  • on top of the mountain, the
  • 00:44:48.250 --> 00:44:49.270
  • idols.
  • 00:44:49.270 --> 00:44:50.190
  • And the guy is standing outside,
  • 00:44:50.190 --> 00:44:51.160
  • and he looks, he says,
  • 00:44:51.160 --> 00:44:52.130
  • "Hola, Jonathan."
  • 00:44:52.130 --> 00:44:53.070
  • And I said, "Hola."
  • 00:44:53.070 --> 00:44:54.060
  • He says--I said, "It sounds like
  • 00:44:54.060 --> 00:44:55.010
  • he said, 'Hello Jonathan,' but
  • 00:44:55.010 --> 00:44:56.010
  • I never met the guy before."
  • 00:44:56.010 --> 00:44:57.040
  • He comes over to me, he's
  • 00:44:57.040 --> 00:44:58.100
  • holding a plate in his hand, and
  • 00:44:58.100 --> 00:44:59.200
  • he said, "I've been expecting
  • 00:44:59.200 --> 00:45:00.200
  • you to come."
  • 00:45:00.200 --> 00:45:01.080
  • I said, "Really?"
  • 00:45:01.080 --> 00:45:02.010
  • He has a plate in his hand.
  • 00:45:02.010 --> 00:45:03.050
  • It's through an interpreter,
  • 00:45:03.050 --> 00:45:03.270
  • and the plate is a painting,
  • 00:45:03.270 --> 00:45:05.130
  • a painting of me.
  • 00:45:05.130 --> 00:45:07.070
  • And it's a painting of me
  • 00:45:07.070 --> 00:45:08.240
  • blowing the shofar,
  • 00:45:08.240 --> 00:45:10.200
  • which is what I came up do.
  • 00:45:10.200 --> 00:45:12.200
  • And so, he says, he says, "No,
  • 00:45:12.200 --> 00:45:13.250
  • I'm a believer.
  • 00:45:13.250 --> 00:45:15.000
  • God told me to paint
  • 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:16.010
  • this painting."
  • 00:45:16.010 --> 00:45:16.180
  • And he says, "But
  • 00:45:16.180 --> 00:45:17.110
  • what happened is I put it in the
  • 00:45:17.110 --> 00:45:18.250
  • pavilion of all the gods
  • 00:45:18.250 --> 00:45:21.000
  • when I painted it."
  • 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:22.080
  • He says, "And then something
  • 00:45:22.080 --> 00:45:23.010
  • happened the day that I
  • 00:45:23.010 --> 00:45:23.290
  • put it up, which just happened."
  • 00:45:23.290 --> 00:45:25.200
  • He says, "Look, it
  • 00:45:25.200 --> 00:45:26.170
  • was torn and it was cracked."
  • 00:45:26.170 --> 00:45:27.180
  • He said, "The leather opened up,
  • 00:45:27.180 --> 00:45:30.140
  • the plate came down, struck the
  • 00:45:30.140 --> 00:45:31.290
  • head of the chief god of Cuba on
  • 00:45:31.290 --> 00:45:34.000
  • the head.
  • 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:35.100
  • The next day, the worshippers
  • 00:45:35.100 --> 00:45:37.000
  • open up the pavilion of the
  • 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.080
  • gods, they find their chief god
  • 00:45:38.080 --> 00:45:39.120
  • on the floor, the god named
  • 00:45:39.120 --> 00:45:40.070
  • Oshun.
  • 00:45:40.070 --> 00:45:41.080
  • And actually, Beyonce just
  • 00:45:41.080 --> 00:45:42.010
  • dressed up as Oshun.
  • 00:45:42.010 --> 00:45:43.180
  • She's on the floor with her
  • 00:45:43.180 --> 00:45:45.070
  • crown removed, and next to it
  • 00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:46.290
  • this plate that struck the head
  • 00:45:46.290 --> 00:45:48.230
  • right where the sound came out
  • 00:45:48.230 --> 00:45:50.120
  • of the shofar.
  • 00:45:50.120 --> 00:45:51.120
  • And actually, Fidel Castro went
  • 00:45:51.120 --> 00:45:53.090
  • into power on linked to Oshun.
  • 00:45:53.260 --> 00:45:56.260
  • And so, breaking the power.
  • 00:45:56.260 --> 00:45:58.010
  • And so, what they said is we
  • 00:45:58.010 --> 00:45:59.010
  • heard a few months later, a guy
  • 00:45:59.010 --> 00:46:01.160
  • comes, a pastor comes from that
  • 00:46:01.160 --> 00:46:03.020
  • place, and he says, he says,
  • 00:46:03.020 --> 00:46:04.050
  • "You'll never--" He says,
  • 00:46:04.050 --> 00:46:05.010
  • "What happened is there's
  • 00:46:05.010 --> 00:46:05.210
  • revival in the city here.
  • 00:46:05.210 --> 00:46:06.260
  • What happened is the people are
  • 00:46:06.260 --> 00:46:07.230
  • all coming to the churches, and
  • 00:46:07.230 --> 00:46:09.060
  • they're bringing their idols,
  • 00:46:09.060 --> 00:46:10.050
  • and they're saying,
  • 00:46:10.050 --> 00:46:11.020
  • 'Smash our idols.
  • 00:46:11.020 --> 00:46:11.250
  • We heard what happened
  • 00:46:11.250 --> 00:46:12.180
  • on the mountain.'"
  • 00:46:12.180 --> 00:46:13.100
  • - Perry: That's amazing.
  • 00:46:13.100 --> 00:46:14.120
  • That's supernatural too.
  • 00:46:14.120 --> 00:46:15.150
  • And see, God uses that symbolism
  • 00:46:15.150 --> 00:46:17.060
  • and all those things that some
  • 00:46:17.060 --> 00:46:19.160
  • people would consider unique or
  • 00:46:19.160 --> 00:46:21.000
  • strange to reach the hearts of
  • 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.180
  • people.
  • 00:46:22.180 --> 00:46:23.090
  • - Jonathan: God is real.
  • 00:46:23.090 --> 00:46:23.280
  • This is Dagon.
  • 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:25.070
  • I mean, this is the same God
  • 00:46:25.070 --> 00:46:26.070
  • revival.
  • 00:46:26.070 --> 00:46:27.040
  • People say, "Oh, you can't
  • 00:46:27.040 --> 00:46:27.230
  • believe it."
  • 00:46:27.230 --> 00:46:28.120
  • It's still happening.
  • 00:46:28.120 --> 00:46:29.110
  • God is real.
  • 00:46:29.110 --> 00:46:30.010
  • - Perry: Wow.
  • 00:46:30.010 --> 00:46:30.210
  • Now Joel, let me ask you
  • 00:46:30.210 --> 00:46:31.230
  • something.
  • 00:46:31.230 --> 00:46:32.140
  • What do you feel in your spirit
  • 00:46:32.140 --> 00:46:34.010
  • that--and this is not
  • 00:46:34.010 --> 00:46:35.280
  • necessarily a prophecy or a
  • 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.190
  • prediction, but what do you feel
  • 00:46:37.190 --> 00:46:39.210
  • in your spirit?
  • 00:46:39.210 --> 00:46:41.210
  • What do you see coming
  • 00:46:41.210 --> 00:46:43.000
  • generally, maybe connecting with
  • 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:43.250
  • the US or connecting with Europe
  • 00:46:43.250 --> 00:46:44.190
  • or connecting with--'cause I
  • 00:46:44.190 --> 00:46:45.180
  • know your specialty is, like,
  • 00:46:45.180 --> 00:46:46.140
  • dealing with radical Islam, and
  • 00:46:46.140 --> 00:46:48.020
  • what you know is happening.
  • 00:46:48.020 --> 00:46:49.210
  • You know a lot of information
  • 00:46:49.210 --> 00:46:50.250
  • you can't share, but what do
  • 00:46:50.250 --> 00:46:52.090
  • you--what do you think about
  • 00:46:52.090 --> 00:46:53.050
  • that?
  • 00:46:53.050 --> 00:46:53.230
  • - Joel: What I expect to see,
  • 00:46:53.230 --> 00:46:54.190
  • and you know, with regard to the
  • 00:46:54.190 --> 00:46:55.260
  • that's been said.
  • 00:46:58.110 --> 00:46:59.070
  • I believe that we're in
  • 00:46:59.070 --> 00:47:00.060
  • a reprieve, and I think we
  • 00:47:00.060 --> 00:47:01.200
  • probably are looking at 7 years
  • 00:47:01.200 --> 00:47:04.080
  • of blessings, 7 years of famine.
  • 00:47:04.080 --> 00:47:06.090
  • I think that this is something
  • 00:47:06.090 --> 00:47:07.270
  • to watch for.
  • 00:47:07.270 --> 00:47:08.290
  • I'm not prophesying that.
  • 00:47:08.290 --> 00:47:10.050
  • With regard to the Middle East,
  • 00:47:10.050 --> 00:47:12.210
  • the thing that I've been
  • 00:47:12.210 --> 00:47:13.130
  • increasingly leaning toward
  • 00:47:13.130 --> 00:47:15.220
  • is that we're going to see
  • 00:47:15.220 --> 00:47:16.250
  • a massive Iranian invasion.
  • 00:47:16.250 --> 00:47:19.230
  • Now, in many ways, Iran already
  • 00:47:19.230 --> 00:47:21.240
  • controls Baghdad, Beirut,
  • 00:47:21.240 --> 00:47:24.200
  • Damascus.
  • 00:47:24.200 --> 00:47:25.170
  • You know, they already control
  • 00:47:25.170 --> 00:47:26.140
  • the major cities, but they have
  • 00:47:26.140 --> 00:47:28.010
  • Iraq, Syria, et cetera.
  • 00:47:30.100 --> 00:47:32.090
  • Well, likewise, Turkey wants it.
  • 00:47:32.090 --> 00:47:34.050
  • And so, I believe we may see a
  • 00:47:34.050 --> 00:47:35.240
  • full-blown Iranian war,
  • 00:47:35.240 --> 00:47:37.090
  • followed by a Turkish response.
  • 00:47:37.090 --> 00:47:39.070
  • And if that's the case, you
  • 00:47:39.070 --> 00:47:41.140
  • know, people often say,
  • 00:47:41.140 --> 00:47:43.090
  • "What will lead to Israel
  • 00:47:43.090 --> 00:47:45.070
  • entering into a covenant?
  • 00:47:45.070 --> 00:47:46.160
  • What will lead to the temple
  • 00:47:46.160 --> 00:47:47.170
  • being rebuilt?
  • 00:47:47.170 --> 00:47:48.110
  • What will lead to some kind of
  • 00:47:48.110 --> 00:47:49.120
  • comprehensive agreement?"
  • 00:47:49.120 --> 00:47:51.060
  • And I believe that it will
  • 00:47:51.060 --> 00:47:52.260
  • require both parties sort of
  • 00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:54.140
  • having their backs against the
  • 00:47:54.140 --> 00:47:55.100
  • wall.
  • 00:47:55.100 --> 00:47:56.050
  • There needs to be a shuffling to
  • 00:47:56.050 --> 00:47:57.130
  • the deck, if you will.
  • 00:47:57.130 --> 00:47:58.280
  • And I believe a couple of these
  • 00:47:58.280 --> 00:47:59.230
  • major wars very well may be
  • 00:47:59.230 --> 00:48:01.200
  • the issue that leads to that.
  • 00:48:01.200 --> 00:48:03.030
  • And so, if that unfolds, I think
  • 00:48:03.030 --> 00:48:05.060
  • we can almost watch the
  • 00:48:05.060 --> 00:48:06.110
  • unfolding of the steps toward
  • 00:48:06.110 --> 00:48:08.070
  • the rise of the antichrist.
  • 00:48:08.070 --> 00:48:09.280
  • - Perry: Do you ever have
  • 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:12.050
  • people, Jonathan, I guess is
  • 00:48:12.050 --> 00:48:13.090
  • a question for both of you,
  • 00:48:13.090 --> 00:48:14.210
  • that come to you and say, "How
  • 00:48:14.210 --> 00:48:16.170
  • much time do we have left?"
  • 00:48:16.170 --> 00:48:18.020
  • - Jonathan: Yeah, all the time.
  • 00:48:18.020 --> 00:48:18.270
  • - Perry: Or, "When is the Lord
  • 00:48:18.270 --> 00:48:19.190
  • coming?"
  • 00:48:19.190 --> 00:48:20.020
  • - Jonathan: All the time.
  • 00:48:20.020 --> 00:48:20.210
  • - Perry: And I always tease
  • 00:48:20.210 --> 00:48:21.110
  • them 'cause they really
  • 00:48:21.110 --> 00:48:21.290
  • think--honestly, they sincerely
  • 00:48:21.290 --> 00:48:22.220
  • think you have some kind of
  • 00:48:22.220 --> 00:48:23.220
  • inside inroad on when is this
  • 00:48:23.220 --> 00:48:25.090
  • going to happen.
  • 00:48:25.090 --> 00:48:26.270
  • And I said, "Can I tell you that
  • 00:48:26.270 --> 00:48:27.270
  • if Jesus didn't know, we don't
  • 00:48:27.270 --> 00:48:29.250
  • know?"
  • 00:48:29.250 --> 00:48:31.220
  • - Joel: I just say, "Call
  • 00:48:31.220 --> 00:48:32.140
  • Perry."
  • 00:48:32.140 --> 00:48:33.080
  • - Perry: You say, "Call Perry"?
  • 00:48:33.080 --> 00:48:34.180
  • That's why I've been getting
  • 00:48:34.180 --> 00:48:35.290
  • those e-mails.
  • 00:48:35.290 --> 00:48:36.240
  • Okay, now I know.
  • 00:48:36.240 --> 00:48:37.200
  • Now, can I ask you this, though?
  • 00:48:37.200 --> 00:48:39.120
  • We're not going to put
  • 00:48:39.120 --> 00:48:40.140
  • timeframes on nothing.
  • 00:48:40.140 --> 00:48:41.100
  • If you were--let's say we're in
  • 00:48:41.100 --> 00:48:44.040
  • a room.
  • 00:48:44.040 --> 00:48:45.060
  • This is worldwide TV, and
  • 00:48:45.060 --> 00:48:45.290
  • everybody pay attention.
  • 00:48:45.290 --> 00:48:47.100
  • They're not prophesying, they're
  • 00:48:47.100 --> 00:48:48.120
  • not predicting, they didn't say,
  • 00:48:48.120 --> 00:48:49.150
  • "God said."
  • 00:48:49.150 --> 00:48:50.100
  • Clean your ears out,
  • 00:48:50.100 --> 00:48:51.110
  • listen carefully.
  • 00:48:51.110 --> 00:48:52.200
  • What type of a timeframe do you
  • 00:48:52.200 --> 00:48:55.110
  • see maybe in your spirit or
  • 00:48:55.230 --> 00:48:58.230
  • just kind of in your mind on
  • 00:48:58.230 --> 00:49:01.150
  • a reprieve until things really
  • 00:49:01.150 --> 00:49:03.000
  • start happening in a major way?
  • 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.080
  • - Jonathan: Okay, well, that's
  • 00:49:05.080 --> 00:49:06.000
  • a major question.
  • 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:06.220
  • This is--here's a warning as
  • 00:49:06.220 --> 00:49:09.140
  • well with the reprieve.
  • 00:49:09.140 --> 00:49:11.140
  • We've been given a reprieve.
  • 00:49:11.140 --> 00:49:12.280
  • Now again, this is not talking
  • 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:13.240
  • about putting your faith in
  • 00:49:13.240 --> 00:49:14.260
  • people.
  • 00:49:14.260 --> 00:49:15.160
  • We've been given a reprieve.
  • 00:49:15.160 --> 00:49:16.180
  • The reprieve is not the answer,
  • 00:49:16.180 --> 00:49:18.140
  • and the election is not the
  • 00:49:18.140 --> 00:49:19.120
  • answer.
  • 00:49:19.120 --> 00:49:20.000
  • The election is a window in
  • 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:20.290
  • which the answer can come.
  • 00:49:20.290 --> 00:49:23.030
  • The answer is only revival.
  • 00:49:23.030 --> 00:49:25.140
  • Without revival, without
  • 00:49:25.140 --> 00:49:26.270
  • revival, you know, you got 4
  • 00:49:26.270 --> 00:49:29.040
  • years, you got 8 years maybe,
  • 00:49:29.040 --> 00:49:30.130
  • but you got 4 years, but the
  • 00:49:30.130 --> 00:49:31.180
  • thing is it will be worse.
  • 00:49:31.180 --> 00:49:32.280
  • See, if we don't--if we don't
  • 00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.090
  • use this time now while we have
  • 00:49:34.090 --> 00:49:35.250
  • freedom, it says, "Work while it
  • 00:49:35.250 --> 00:49:37.000
  • is yet day," if we don't use
  • 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:38.190
  • this time--and the thing is if
  • 00:49:38.190 --> 00:49:39.200
  • the younger generation--and I
  • 00:49:39.200 --> 00:49:41.040
  • know, Perry, you're going a lot
  • 00:49:41.040 --> 00:49:42.000
  • with the younger generation.
  • 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:42.270
  • If the younger generation
  • 00:49:42.270 --> 00:49:43.200
  • doesn't change, if that--if we
  • 00:49:43.200 --> 00:49:45.050
  • don't affect them in this time,
  • 00:49:45.050 --> 00:49:47.050
  • if we don't spread the gospel,
  • 00:49:47.050 --> 00:49:48.090
  • if we don't go full blast in
  • 00:49:48.090 --> 00:49:49.210
  • revival, it's going to continue.
  • 00:49:49.210 --> 00:49:51.170
  • And it will be with a vengeance
  • 00:49:51.170 --> 00:49:53.130
  • because when all those powers
  • 00:49:53.130 --> 00:49:54.170
  • that you see all over America,
  • 00:49:54.170 --> 00:49:55.270
  • you know, they want to
  • 00:49:55.270 --> 00:49:56.270
  • assassinate the president.
  • 00:49:56.270 --> 00:49:58.120
  • Well, when the enemy gets back,
  • 00:49:58.120 --> 00:49:59.280
  • you know, this is the thing.
  • 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.020
  • So, we have this time.
  • 00:50:01.020 --> 00:50:02.150
  • And the point is do not grow
  • 00:50:02.150 --> 00:50:03.260
  • complacent because we are given
  • 00:50:03.260 --> 00:50:05.210
  • a--a reprieve is not a time when
  • 00:50:05.210 --> 00:50:07.100
  • you say, "Hey, okay, we got it."
  • 00:50:07.100 --> 00:50:08.200
  • It's that if--and it's not about
  • 00:50:08.200 --> 00:50:10.100
  • putting your trust in a man
  • 00:50:10.100 --> 00:50:11.150
  • or a party.
  • 00:50:11.150 --> 00:50:12.200
  • That's not what it's about.
  • 00:50:12.200 --> 00:50:13.230
  • This is God's sovereign hand.
  • 00:50:13.230 --> 00:50:14.260
  • We need to use this, all of us,
  • 00:50:14.260 --> 00:50:16.220
  • all, everybody listening,
  • 00:50:16.220 --> 00:50:18.000
  • we need to use this.
  • 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.120
  • And if it's America,
  • 00:50:19.120 --> 00:50:20.000
  • it's the world.
  • 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:20.240
  • We need to use this opportunity
  • 00:50:20.240 --> 00:50:22.090
  • to go full blast in revival,
  • 00:50:22.090 --> 00:50:24.040
  • pray for revival, work for
  • 00:50:24.040 --> 00:50:25.120
  • revival, spread the gospel for
  • 00:50:25.120 --> 00:50:26.270
  • revival, start not just pray,
  • 00:50:26.270 --> 00:50:29.030
  • but live in revival because
  • 00:50:29.030 --> 00:50:30.150
  • that's the only thing
  • 00:50:30.150 --> 00:50:32.030
  • that's going to turn it around.
  • 00:50:32.030 --> 00:50:33.090
  • - Perry: That is the truth.
  • 00:50:33.090 --> 00:50:34.000
  • - Jonathan: That's it, that is
  • 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:34.220
  • it.
  • 00:50:34.220 --> 00:50:35.090
  • - Perry: And let me mention,
  • 00:50:35.090 --> 00:50:36.020
  • and I'm going to go to Joel,
  • 00:50:36.020 --> 00:50:36.270
  • we'll have about 5 minutes,
  • 00:50:36.270 --> 00:50:37.210
  • Joel, here to have--give a good
  • 00:50:37.210 --> 00:50:39.120
  • summary for us.
  • 00:50:39.120 --> 00:50:40.100
  • But I want to mention we're
  • 00:50:40.100 --> 00:50:41.150
  • going to have a major
  • 00:50:41.150 --> 00:50:43.050
  • International Prophetic Summit.
  • 00:50:43.050 --> 00:50:44.030
  • You'll be there, you'll be
  • 00:50:44.030 --> 00:50:45.050
  • there, Bill Cloud will be there,
  • 00:50:45.050 --> 00:50:47.160
  • Dwain Miller will be there, I'll
  • 00:50:47.160 --> 00:50:48.180
  • be there.
  • 00:50:48.180 --> 00:50:49.130
  • We got 11 to 12 services in 4
  • 00:50:49.130 --> 00:50:50.100
  • days.
  • 00:50:50.100 --> 00:50:52.030
  • This is a prophecy overdose.
  • 00:50:52.030 --> 00:50:54.070
  • - Jonathan: In Cleveland,
  • 00:50:54.070 --> 00:50:55.010
  • Tennessee.
  • 00:50:55.010 --> 00:50:55.220
  • - Perry: Cleveland, Tennessee.
  • 00:50:55.220 --> 00:50:56.140
  • - Jonathan: Awesome, I love
  • 00:50:56.140 --> 00:50:57.040
  • going there, so electric.
  • 00:50:57.040 --> 00:50:58.220
  • - Perry: Omega Center
  • 00:50:58.220 --> 00:50:59.160
  • International.
  • 00:50:59.160 --> 00:51:00.110
  • Thousands of people will be
  • 00:51:00.110 --> 00:51:01.020
  • coming.
  • 00:51:01.020 --> 00:51:01.230
  • Perrystone.org, just go get the
  • 00:51:01.230 --> 00:51:02.230
  • information that way.
  • 00:51:02.230 --> 00:51:04.070
  • Joel, go ahead and tell us
  • 00:51:04.070 --> 00:51:05.070
  • what--the kind of a summary here
  • 00:51:05.070 --> 00:51:07.180
  • on this, what you're feeling.
  • 00:51:07.180 --> 00:51:08.180
  • - Joel: Yeah, no, I just give a
  • 00:51:08.180 --> 00:51:10.000
  • hearty amen to what Jonathan
  • 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:10.290
  • said.
  • 00:51:10.290 --> 00:51:11.180
  • I've been--this week, I've been
  • 00:51:11.180 --> 00:51:13.210
  • peering into John 15.
  • 00:51:13.210 --> 00:51:15.220
  • And just before the disciples
  • 00:51:15.220 --> 00:51:17.080
  • were about to be tested, he gave
  • 00:51:17.080 --> 00:51:19.020
  • he said, "I am the vine,
  • 00:51:21.240 --> 00:51:22.280
  • you are the branches."
  • 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.000
  • And the thing that
  • 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:24.210
  • struck me is he said,
  • 00:51:24.210 --> 00:51:25.230
  • "Apart from me, you
  • 00:51:25.230 --> 00:51:27.180
  • can do nothing."
  • 00:51:27.180 --> 00:51:29.000
  • And they were just about
  • 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:30.050
  • to be tried and tested.
  • 00:51:30.050 --> 00:51:31.290
  • Peter was about to be tried.
  • 00:51:31.290 --> 00:51:33.120
  • All of them were about to be
  • 00:51:33.120 --> 00:51:34.040
  • tried.
  • 00:51:34.040 --> 00:51:34.280
  • You know, their faith was going
  • 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.140
  • to be challenged.
  • 00:51:36.140 --> 00:51:37.060
  • And whenever the Lord tries us,
  • 00:51:37.060 --> 00:51:39.190
  • the lesson that he's trying to
  • 00:51:39.190 --> 00:51:40.190
  • beat into us is this, "I am
  • 00:51:40.190 --> 00:51:43.060
  • the vine, you are the branches.
  • 00:51:43.060 --> 00:51:45.280
  • Apart from me,
  • 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.040
  • you can do nothing."
  • 00:51:47.040 --> 00:51:48.190
  • So, now is not--as you
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  • "Now, it's time to kick back in
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  • a lazy chair."
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  • - Perry: And I feel some people
  • 00:51:53.210 --> 00:51:54.140
  • are doing that.
  • 00:51:54.140 --> 00:51:55.010
  • They're sitting back and they
  • 00:51:55.010 --> 00:51:55.270
  • say, "Let's see," instead of
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  • praying.
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  • - Jonathan: Yes, and the
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  • thing--you know, here's
  • 00:51:59.130 --> 00:52:00.240
  • another--along with what we're
  • 00:52:00.240 --> 00:52:02.050
  • all feeling it, and that is
  • 00:52:02.050 --> 00:52:03.260
  • people don't realize in "The
  • 00:52:03.260 --> 00:52:05.170
  • Harbinger," I put Donald Trump.
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  • This is years ago.
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  • He's in "The Harbinger," he's in
  • 00:52:08.020 --> 00:52:09.000
  • "The Harbinger," I won't say
  • 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:09.260
  • where he is, except there's
  • 00:52:09.260 --> 00:52:10.190
  • a chapter called "The Tower."
  • 00:52:10.190 --> 00:52:11.200
  • But it's a warning.
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  • Because if we are saying we're
  • 00:52:12.220 --> 00:52:14.200
  • going to become great again
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  • without God,
  • 00:52:15.210 --> 00:52:17.080
  • we are doing Isaiah 9:10.
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  • We're doing--we're doing exactly
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  • what--
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  • - Perry: Genesis 11.
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  • - Jonathan: Yes.
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  • Which, by the way, Perry,
  • 00:52:21.230 --> 00:52:23.040
  • Genesis 11, which was the
  • 00:52:23.040 --> 00:52:24.170
  • Scripture they found in the--in
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  • Ground Zero, "Come, let us build
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  • a tower," was in ground zero.
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  • And so, if we don't--if our
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  • thing is, "Hey, we're going to
  • 00:52:31.150 --> 00:52:32.260
  • be great, we're going to be--"
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  • without coming back to God,
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  • then it's disaster.
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  • - Perry: Exactly right.
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  • Boy, that's so good.
  • 00:52:37.040 --> 00:52:37.260
  • That's so good.
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  • And you know, go ahead Joel
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  • 'cause I know maybe you have one
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  • more thing.
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  • - Joel: The thing is that there
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  • are a lot of people in the
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  • church that don't like Trump,
  • 00:52:44.180 --> 00:52:46.060
  • there are a lot that do.
  • 00:52:46.060 --> 00:52:46.290
  • We're divided,
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  • I understand that.
  • 00:52:47.250 --> 00:52:48.240
  • But here's one thing I'll say is
  • 00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:51.090
  • the church needs to gain a level
  • 00:52:51.090 --> 00:52:54.000
  • of boldness.
  • 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:55.290
  • The kind of boldness that
  • 00:52:55.290 --> 00:52:57.090
  • Donald Trump has with the media,
  • 00:52:57.090 --> 00:52:58.180
  • we need with the world.
  • 00:52:58.180 --> 00:53:00.140
  • The church needs to say,
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  • "No more playing games.
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  • We're tired of you being
  • 00:53:03.200 --> 00:53:04.230
  • bullies.
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  • We are going to proclaim the
  • 00:53:05.150 --> 00:53:06.140
  • truth because we have the words
  • 00:53:06.140 --> 00:53:08.090
  • of life, and we're going to do
  • 00:53:08.090 --> 00:53:09.260
  • our best to snatch people
  • 00:53:09.260 --> 00:53:10.280
  • out of the fire."
  • 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:11.260
  • We need to rise up.
  • 00:53:11.260 --> 00:53:13.020
  • - Jonathan: If Donald Trump
  • 00:53:13.020 --> 00:53:14.070
  • could do that--and we don't know
  • 00:53:14.070 --> 00:53:15.100
  • where he was at.
  • 00:53:15.100 --> 00:53:16.030
  • We pray that he got saved in the
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  • time.
  • 00:53:17.010 --> 00:53:17.290
  • But if can do that without--with
  • 00:53:17.290 --> 00:53:19.080
  • just being Donald Trump,
  • 00:53:19.080 --> 00:53:21.040
  • and he can say, "Forget
  • 00:53:21.040 --> 00:53:21.290
  • political correctness, forget
  • 00:53:21.290 --> 00:53:22.260
  • all this stuff," then how much
  • 00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:24.000
  • more do we have to be bold for
  • 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:25.140
  • Messiah?
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  • Forget the--forget what the
  • 00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:27.250
  • world is saying.
  • 00:53:27.250 --> 00:53:29.030
  • You know, when Ahab said
  • 00:53:29.030 --> 00:53:30.060
  • to--Ahab said to--he saw Elijah,
  • 00:53:30.060 --> 00:53:32.110
  • he said, "You troubler of
  • 00:53:32.110 --> 00:53:33.170
  • Israel," what does Elijah say?
  • 00:53:33.170 --> 00:53:35.110
  • You know, he's reframing Elijah.
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  • "I'm not accepting that.
  • 00:53:36.060 --> 00:53:37.150
  • I'm not accepting you calling me
  • 00:53:37.150 --> 00:53:38.130
  • this.
  • 00:53:38.130 --> 00:53:39.030
  • I'm not accepting your political
  • 00:53:39.030 --> 00:53:39.260
  • correctness.
  • 00:53:39.260 --> 00:53:40.130
  • You're the troubler of Israel.
  • 00:53:40.130 --> 00:53:41.240
  • I'm serving the living God."
  • 00:53:41.240 --> 00:53:43.000
  • - Perry: Well, Ahab was mad
  • 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:43.210
  • because it hadn't rained for
  • 00:53:43.210 --> 00:53:44.210
  • four and a half years because
  • 00:53:44.210 --> 00:53:45.240
  • Elijah prayed it wouldn't rain.
  • 00:53:45.240 --> 00:53:47.070
  • So, he says, "You're causing
  • 00:53:47.070 --> 00:53:48.050
  • the trouble," but Elijah turns
  • 00:53:48.050 --> 00:53:48.290
  • around and says, "The reason
  • 00:53:48.290 --> 00:53:50.080
  • it's not raining is your sins."
  • 00:53:50.080 --> 00:53:52.060
  • And so, he just let him know,
  • 00:53:52.060 --> 00:53:53.040
  • you know.
  • 00:53:53.040 --> 00:53:53.260
  • - Jonathan: He didn't accept
  • 00:53:53.260 --> 00:53:55.160
  • the reframing of political
  • 00:53:55.160 --> 00:53:56.280
  • correctness.
  • 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:57.180
  • - Perry: And I want to say one
  • 00:53:57.180 --> 00:53:58.100
  • thing to all the people
  • 00:53:58.100 --> 00:53:58.280
  • watching.
  • 00:53:58.280 --> 00:53:59.110
  • This is very important.
  • 00:53:59.110 --> 00:54:00.060
  • Whether we're African-American,
  • 00:54:00.060 --> 00:54:01.160
  • Hispanic, if we're Caucasian,
  • 00:54:01.160 --> 00:54:03.140
  • whatever background we're from,
  • 00:54:03.140 --> 00:54:04.080
  • we're a brotherhood of blood.
  • 00:54:04.080 --> 00:54:06.160
  • And we don't--we're not always
  • 00:54:06.160 --> 00:54:08.010
  • going to agree on political
  • 00:54:08.010 --> 00:54:09.040
  • issues.
  • 00:54:09.040 --> 00:54:10.010
  • We're not going to always agree
  • 00:54:10.010 --> 00:54:10.260
  • on candidates.
  • 00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:11.230
  • We're not going to always agree
  • 00:54:11.230 --> 00:54:12.150
  • on decisions people make.
  • 00:54:12.150 --> 00:54:13.260
  • But we cannot be divided as the
  • 00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:15.130
  • body of Christ.
  • 00:54:15.130 --> 00:54:16.180
  • We cannot go over here and say,
  • 00:54:16.180 --> 00:54:18.130
  • "Here's what we are.
  • 00:54:18.130 --> 00:54:19.260
  • Stay away from this.
  • 00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:20.260
  • We're not working with you.
  • 00:54:20.260 --> 00:54:21.220
  • You're not allowed to preach in
  • 00:54:21.220 --> 00:54:22.170
  • my church," I have a singer, a
  • 00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:25.080
  • lady that sings that is--I'm not
  • 00:54:25.080 --> 00:54:26.240
  • going to call her.
  • 00:54:26.240 --> 00:54:27.180
  • She sang on TBN so many times, I
  • 00:54:27.180 --> 00:54:29.060
  • can't count.
  • 00:54:29.060 --> 00:54:30.030
  • But because of a stand she took,
  • 00:54:30.030 --> 00:54:32.040
  • churches start canceling,
  • 00:54:32.040 --> 00:54:33.220
  • canceling her meetings.
  • 00:54:33.220 --> 00:54:35.230
  • And I couldn't believe it.
  • 00:54:35.230 --> 00:54:36.130
  • It should never happen in
  • 00:54:36.130 --> 00:54:37.130
  • the body of Christ.
  • 00:54:37.130 --> 00:54:38.240
  • We should stay united around the
  • 00:54:38.240 --> 00:54:39.270
  • cross, united around the blood
  • 00:54:39.270 --> 00:54:41.000
  • of Jesus, united around revival,
  • 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:42.150
  • united around what God wants to
  • 00:54:42.150 --> 00:54:43.250
  • do, and then be bold.
  • 00:54:43.250 --> 00:54:46.130
  • When we know that we are right,
  • 00:54:46.130 --> 00:54:47.250
  • and we know that we're in
  • 00:54:47.250 --> 00:54:49.130
  • the Word, and we know that we
  • 00:54:49.130 --> 00:54:50.280
  • stand up and just say,
  • 00:54:53.060 --> 00:54:54.070
  • "This is how it is.
  • 00:54:54.070 --> 00:54:55.100
  • There's no compromise in
  • 00:54:55.100 --> 00:54:57.000
  • the Word of God.
  • 00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:57.290
  • We have to just be what we are
  • 00:54:57.290 --> 00:54:59.150
  • and be strong in that.
  • 00:54:59.150 --> 00:55:01.130
  • And I think one of the reasons,
  • 00:55:01.130 --> 00:55:03.000
  • if I can say this humbly that
  • 00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:04.020
  • God has blessed our ministry, is
  • 00:55:04.020 --> 00:55:05.260
  • the love I have for the Word.
  • 00:55:05.260 --> 00:55:07.180
  • You know, and people say,
  • 00:55:07.180 --> 00:55:08.070
  • "Is that really true?"
  • 00:55:08.070 --> 00:55:09.230
  • Ask my staff.
  • 00:55:09.230 --> 00:55:11.000
  • I have 160.000 hours of Bible
  • 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:12.230
  • study because it's all I do
  • 00:55:12.230 --> 00:55:14.070
  • every day.
  • 00:55:14.070 --> 00:55:15.050
  • I've got staff here that come
  • 00:55:17.110 --> 00:55:18.120
  • in, put their hand on this
  • 00:55:18.120 --> 00:55:19.110
  • Bible, and say it's true.
  • 00:55:19.110 --> 00:55:20.170
  • Not to brag, but to tell you
  • 00:55:20.170 --> 00:55:22.130
  • the love I have for that Word.
  • 00:55:22.130 --> 00:55:23.260
  • And I think that love for the
  • 00:55:23.260 --> 00:55:25.080
  • Word, if you have love for the
  • 00:55:25.080 --> 00:55:26.050
  • Word and for prayer, pray for
  • 00:55:26.050 --> 00:55:27.120
  • America, pray for the
  • 00:55:27.120 --> 00:55:29.020
  • leadership, pray for the church,
  • 00:55:29.020 --> 00:55:31.030
  • pray for the pastors, okay?
  • 00:55:31.030 --> 00:55:32.150
  • So, it's time for you to do
  • 00:55:32.150 --> 00:55:34.120
  • that.
  • 00:55:34.120 --> 00:55:35.140
  • If you've been watching this
  • 00:55:35.140 --> 00:55:36.040
  • program and you do not know the
  • 00:55:36.040 --> 00:55:37.030
  • Lord, and you have been away
  • 00:55:37.030 --> 00:55:38.240
  • from God, then you need to seek
  • 00:55:38.240 --> 00:55:40.130
  • the Lord and ask him to come
  • 00:55:40.130 --> 00:55:42.210
  • into your heart, ask him to
  • 00:55:42.210 --> 00:55:44.120
  • forgive you of your sins,
  • 00:55:44.120 --> 00:55:45.220
  • and just believe that he will
  • 00:55:45.220 --> 00:55:47.260
  • do that.
  • 00:55:47.260 --> 00:55:48.270
  • If you'll ask him and believe,
  • 00:55:48.270 --> 00:55:49.280
  • he will come into your life,
  • 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.250
  • he'll come into your heart.
  • 00:55:51.250 --> 00:55:52.220
  • Maybe if you've been backslid
  • 00:55:52.220 --> 00:55:53.290
  • away from God, and you're
  • 00:55:53.290 --> 00:55:55.100
  • beginning to realize it's
  • 00:55:55.100 --> 00:55:56.150
  • the time of the end, don't wait
  • 00:55:56.150 --> 00:55:58.010
  • 'til it's too late.
  • 00:55:58.010 --> 00:56:00.090
  • Don't risk your life for another
  • 00:56:00.090 --> 00:56:02.050
  • day when you may not have that.
  • 00:56:02.050 --> 00:56:04.010
  • Seek the Lord while he
  • 00:56:04.010 --> 00:56:05.090
  • may be found.
  • 00:56:05.090 --> 00:56:06.120
  • Call upon him while he is near.
  • 00:56:06.120 --> 00:56:07.220
  • And one more time, let me just
  • 00:56:07.220 --> 00:56:09.000
  • mention Jonathan Cahn's book,
  • 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:10.130
  • "The Book of Mysteries,"
  • 00:56:10.130 --> 00:56:11.220
  • available in all bookstores
  • 00:56:11.220 --> 00:56:13.020
  • everywhere.
  • 00:56:13.020 --> 00:56:13.260
  • And also, Joel's book, which
  • 00:56:13.260 --> 00:56:15.240
  • is a wonderful book called
  • 00:56:15.240 --> 00:56:17.170
  • "Mystery Babylon."
  • 00:56:17.170 --> 00:56:18.180
  • It'll be different
  • 00:56:18.180 --> 00:56:20.000
  • from any book you've read, but
  • 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:21.050
  • he'll prove what he's saying in
  • 00:56:21.050 --> 00:56:22.140
  • this book.
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  • And I'm so happy to be able to
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  • share our New Testament
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  • commentary, 300.000 words with
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  • nugget boxes, in-depth articles
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  • in the back.
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  • Went through the entire
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  • New Testament, hundreds of Greek
  • 00:56:33.140 --> 00:56:34.120
  • word studies, is now available
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  • in one New Testament.
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  • There it is, there's the box it
  • 00:56:36.260 --> 00:56:37.280
  • comes in.
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  • So, God bless you.
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  • Perrystone.org, you can check it
  • 00:56:39.240 --> 00:56:41.080
  • out that way.
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  • Men, thank you for joining me.
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  • And TBN audience, family of God
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  • worldwide on TBN, pray for
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  • the TBN network, pray for Matt,
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  • and all the stations around
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  • the world.
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  • It's been real, it's been great,
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  • and we'll see you again next
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  • time on the Trinity
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  • Broadcasting Network.
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