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Praise | March 7, 2017

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Tom Newman hosts Steven Curtis Chapman.

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Praise | March 7, 2017

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  • - female announcer: Tonight
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  • from Los Angeles, California,
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  • Grammy Award-winning
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  • Christian music artist,
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  • Steven Curtis Chapman;
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  • and host, producer Tom Newman.
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  • [music]
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  • [audience applauding]
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  • [music]
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  • [music]
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  • - Steven Curtis Chapman: Hello.
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  • - Tom Newman: Welcome,
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  • everyone, to a very, very
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  • special "Praise" program.
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  • What makes it special is that
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  • you're right there tuning in for
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  • Would you please welcome
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  • my very special guest,
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  • Steven Curtis Chapman.
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  • Steven Curtis Chapman.
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  • - Tom: Now, I could say a whole
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  • bunch of things and a whole
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  • bunch of things need to be said
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  • but, rather than me say it,
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  • let's go to this very special
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  • roll-in.
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  • Here it is.
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  • - announcer: Steven Curtis
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  • Chapman celebrates 30 years of
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  • music as a singer, songwriter,
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  • and record producer.
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  • Recognized as one of the most
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  • prolific singers in contemporary
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  • Christian music, Chapman has
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  • received five Grammys, 58 Dove
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  • Awards, an American Music Award,
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  • and 48 number one singles,
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  • making him the most awarded
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  • artist in Christian music
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  • history.
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  • He's sold more than 11 million
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  • albums and he has 10 certified
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  • gold or platinum albums.
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  • I am the heart.
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  • I need the heart.
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  • - announcer: Also hailed as
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  • an actor, author, and social
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  • activist, his work has inspired
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  • millions around the world.
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  • Now, for the first time, Chapman
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  • unveils his life's work in his
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  • new book, "Between Heaven & the
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  • Real World," where he shares his
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  • personal journey, his family
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  • life, and stories behind his
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  • most beloved songs.
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  • Steven Curtis Chapman
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  • Steven Curtis Chapman
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  • - Steven: Well done, Tom.
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  • - Tom: C'mon.
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  • - Steven: Even got my acting
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  • in there.
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  • I love that.
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  • - Tom: I saw that.
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  • - Steven: Thanks to you.
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  • - Tom: Steven, a lot of people
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  • know you as a singer,
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  • a songwriter,
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  • and an amazing minister.
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  • You've written--you've gone and
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  • written a book.
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  • Tell me what that's all about.
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  • - Steven: Yes, yes.
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  • Well, thank you.
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  • It is great to be here, first
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  • of all.
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  • Let me just say thanks so much
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  • for you guys being here.
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  • Thanks for all of you being
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  • with us.
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  • And for my dear friend,
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  • Tom Newman.
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  • I love that little clip
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  • of actor, that little moment.
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  • This is the guy responsible for
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  • attach, you know, behind my name
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  • there, although it would be, I'm
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  • sure, much debated in the world
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  • of true actors.
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  • But this guy taught me
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  • everything I know about that so
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  • it's really exciting to get to
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  • share this kind of milestone,
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  • this celebration, with you.
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  • You know, I--those who know me
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  • or know anything about my music,
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  • and who have ever seen me in
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  • concert, know that I'm a
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  • storyteller.
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  • I love--my music is really
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  • stories set to music.
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  • And when I have an audience and
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  • I have an opportunity and a
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  • guitar in my hand, usually I'm
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  • singing about half the time and
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  • then I'm telling the stories,
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  • you know, in between the songs
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  • 'cause there's for every song,
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  • you know, that's 3 and a half to
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  • 4 minutes, there's anywhere from
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  • 3, you know, 3 years to
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  • 30 years, in this case, of life
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  • or even more in that song.
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  • I'm very much--my faith journey,
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  • my relationship with Jesus,
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  • has been very much shaped by
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  • the stories of other followers
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  • of Jesus, through Scripture,
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  • you know.
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  • And I mean, Jesus told stories,
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  • you know.
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  • There wasn't--his sermons were
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  • usually stories.
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  • And those have deeply
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  • marked my life.
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  • The stories of, you know,
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  • faithful followers of God, those
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  • kind of books have really
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  • impacted my life deeply.
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  • And so I was, you know, given
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  • the opportunity through
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  • the years, different ones have
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  • discussed, "Hey, would you
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  • consider, you know, telling your
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  • story, writing your story in
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  • a autobiography, memoirs, kind
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  • of form?"
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  • And I've usually just said,
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  • "Not yet, not now.
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  • I don't feel like I'm quite at
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  • the right point to kind of take
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  • a pause, look back, remember,
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  • and really commit that, you
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  • know, to paper or, you know, to
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  • a computer and really write this
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  • story," 'cause I knew it was
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  • gonna be a very in-depth
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  • process.
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  • I mean, when I write a song, I
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  • usually write ten different
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  • versions of that one song and
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  • that's 100 words and that takes
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  • me, you know, weeks and months
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  • so imagine if I'm gonna write,
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  • you know, 90.000 words,
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  • how long that's gonna take.
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  • So it was something I think I
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  • was, you know, I held off for a
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  • while.
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  • But I always knew at some point
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  • when I really felt like it was
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  • the right time, I really wanted
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  • to really more than anything
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  • invite people on the journey.
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  • People who know my music,
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  • certainly to get maybe some of
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  • the--I think when they read some
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  • of the stories going on behind
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  • those songs, even though I've
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  • shared 'em quickly in concert or
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  • in interviews like this, they're
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  • gonna get a chance to really go
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  • down to those deep, deep places
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  • or maybe to those really high
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  • mountain peaks with me and get
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  • hopefully, of that song.
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  • Not just so they can go, "Oh,
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  • that's really interesting, the
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  • life of Steven Curtis Chapman."
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  • I wouldn't ask anybody to take
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  • the time to do that.
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  • But this is a story of God's
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  • faithfulness.
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  • This is a story of God's
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  • goodness, God's faithfulness,
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  • throughout my journey and
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  • his--how he has shown up
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  • in so many amazing ways
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  • in my life, in my story.
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  • - Tom: You know, I remember
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  • having a discussion at church.
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  • I went to Billy Joe Daugherty's
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  • church, Victory Christian Center
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  • in Tulsa, for 30-plus years
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  • and Billy Joe passed
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  • a few years back.
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  • But one of the things I remember
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  • is when I was an ORU student
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  • that there would be so many of
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  • these great speakers that would
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  • come across the platform and
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  • they would share their stories
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  • and all's you would really hear
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  • was their amazing
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  • accomplishments and the miracles
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  • and the stuff that they had.
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  • And I would get so discouraged
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  • sometimes, thinking, "How could
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  • God--everything with my life.
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  • I have problems.
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  • Things happen in my life
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  • that are not smooth and easy."
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  • Of course, your life has been
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  • perfect.
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  • - Steven: Yeah, yeah,
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  • pretty much.
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  • - Tom: You haven't had any
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  • difficulties or complexities
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  • in yours.
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  • - Steven: Yeah, pretty much.
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  • I had to really dig deep for,
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  • you know, a few little
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  • difficult moments, not.
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  • - Tom: No, well, I think that's
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  • the thing that was beautiful
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  • to me.
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  • I took the chance to read
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  • your book and, reading it,
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  • I was amazed at two things.
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  • Frankly, how transparent
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  • you were.
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  • You went to some really
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  • hard places.
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  • In fact, before we came out here
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  • tonight, I said, "Are there
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  • places in here that I shouldn't
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  • go because what you say in this
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  • is pretty shattering."
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  • And you've gone through some
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  • really tough spots.
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  • And so I think I would like to
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  • let folks know that this is not
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  • just a glossed-over version of
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  • something.
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  • This is, "Between Heaven & the
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  • Real World," there's a whole lot
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  • of real world in there.
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  • And I can't--I was grateful.
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  • - Steven: Well, that was
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  • really, really important in the
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  • process as one of the
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  • commitments I made early on was
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  • that with God's help that I
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  • really be honest.
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  • I feel like, for me, the places
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  • in Scripture where God didn't
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  • edit out the mess, that is hope
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  • for me.
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  • Just like you said.
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  • I mean, that, that when I read
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  • being known as the man after
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  • God's own heart, you know, King
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  • David, I have hope, not in his
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  • great accomplishments and all of
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  • that, but in the fact that,
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  • you know--
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  • - Tom: That he was an adulterer
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  • and a murderer?
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  • - Steven: Yeah, that he was
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  • such a, you know, just that
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  • there was so much brokenness.
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  • And so, for me, I'm just, again,
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  • so grateful throughout even
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  • Paul's life, talking about
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  • my weakness, "but it's in
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  • my weakness that his strength
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  • is made perfect."
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  • Those are all the favorite
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  • places in Scripture and
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  • so, you know, I wanted so much
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  • and it was a commitment, even my
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  • family and my son Caleb who's
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  • just one of my best friends in
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  • the world and is amazing
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  • songwriter and musician.
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  • I won't start talking about
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  • my kids.
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  • We'll be here all night.
  • 00:08:39.070 --> 00:08:39.280
  • But they're awesome.
  • 00:08:39.280 --> 00:08:41.030
  • And--but he even encouraged me,
  • 00:08:41.030 --> 00:08:43.110
  • set my down, said, "Dad, you
  • 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:44.090
  • know, just promise me this.
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  • If you're gonna write a book, if
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  • you're gonna do it," he's like,
  • 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:48.270
  • "just be honest and tell the
  • 00:08:48.270 --> 00:08:50.050
  • truth 'cause, Dad, I know you
  • 00:08:50.050 --> 00:08:52.060
  • will but I'm encouraging you to
  • 00:08:52.060 --> 00:08:53.180
  • do it.
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  • Don't hold back, you know."
  • 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:55.270
  • 'Cause we have this tendency,
  • 00:08:55.270 --> 00:08:57.050
  • obviously, in our Christian
  • 00:08:57.050 --> 00:08:58.150
  • communities, you know, we put on
  • 00:08:58.150 --> 00:08:59.290
  • our best, we go to church Sunday
  • 00:08:59.290 --> 00:09:01.130
  • morning, we gotta look good, we
  • 00:09:01.130 --> 00:09:02.120
  • gotta--and people are hurtin'
  • 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.240
  • and, like you said, just wanting
  • 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:06.210
  • to know, "Well, what about me?
  • 00:09:06.210 --> 00:09:08.220
  • 'Cause I do not have it
  • 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:09.210
  • together," and it's hard,
  • 00:09:09.210 --> 00:09:10.240
  • you know, when you stand
  • 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.290
  • on stage
  • 00:09:11.290 --> 00:09:12.250
  • and you sing your songs, people,
  • 00:09:12.250 --> 00:09:13.240
  • to project something.
  • 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:15.150
  • When you sit on television and
  • 00:09:15.150 --> 00:09:16.160
  • people wanna say, "Well, man, if
  • 00:09:16.160 --> 00:09:17.170
  • I could just have the life they
  • 00:09:17.170 --> 00:09:18.290
  • have," yeah, "then I'd
  • 00:09:18.290 --> 00:09:20.150
  • have it together."
  • 00:09:20.150 --> 00:09:21.060
  • And so, it was so
  • 00:09:21.060 --> 00:09:22.080
  • important for me that I would
  • 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:23.210
  • just really, you know,
  • 00:09:23.210 --> 00:09:25.170
  • share the truth.
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  • Share it very honestly.
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  • - Tom: We've got about 30 years
  • 00:09:28.250 --> 00:09:29.230
  • to cover in an hour.
  • 00:09:29.230 --> 00:09:31.020
  • So that's gonna be really--it's
  • 00:09:31.020 --> 00:09:32.210
  • gonna be really hard.
  • 00:09:32.210 --> 00:09:34.060
  • So what I wanna do is I wanna go
  • 00:09:34.060 --> 00:09:36.030
  • to a roll-in kind of your early
  • 00:09:36.030 --> 00:09:37.280
  • years.
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  • And we're just gonna call this
  • 00:09:39.050 --> 00:09:39.270
  • "The Early Years."
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  • "The Early Years."
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  • - Steven: I played little
  • 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.000
  • league ball right up there.
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  • I had a completely hitless
  • 00:09:49.190 --> 00:09:51.100
  • season.
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  • Think it was probably here on
  • 00:09:52.110 --> 00:09:54.010
  • this field that I really began
  • 00:09:54.010 --> 00:09:56.180
  • this first sense of calling into
  • 00:09:56.180 --> 00:09:58.110
  • music because I realized that I
  • 00:09:58.110 --> 00:10:00.180
  • had no future in baseball.
  • 00:10:00.180 --> 00:10:02.170
  • - Steven: I would believe it.
  • 00:10:02.170 --> 00:10:04.210
  • That's Grandpa Rudd for you, I
  • 00:10:04.210 --> 00:10:06.020
  • believe that.
  • 00:10:06.020 --> 00:10:07.050
  • Always into something.
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  • - Steven: My brother and I and
  • 00:10:08.170 --> 00:10:10.030
  • my mom would come to church
  • 00:10:10.030 --> 00:10:10.290
  • here.
  • 00:10:10.290 --> 00:10:11.220
  • We would get up.
  • 00:10:11.220 --> 00:10:12.110
  • My dad would sleep in so the
  • 00:10:12.110 --> 00:10:13.100
  • pastor would stop by on his way
  • 00:10:13.100 --> 00:10:14.250
  • to church, bang on the door of
  • 00:10:14.250 --> 00:10:17.040
  • our house, and say,
  • 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:18.220
  • "Herb Chapman, I know you're
  • 00:10:18.220 --> 00:10:19.250
  • asleep," you know.
  • 00:10:19.250 --> 00:10:20.170
  • "Get up and come to church with
  • 00:10:20.170 --> 00:10:21.150
  • your family."
  • 00:10:21.150 --> 00:10:22.170
  • And he, literally,
  • 00:10:22.170 --> 00:10:23.280
  • did that and amazingly enough
  • 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:28.080
  • within about 2 or 3 years of
  • 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.290
  • this, my dad was serving as
  • 00:10:30.290 --> 00:10:33.080
  • minister of music beside
  • 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.100
  • this guy.
  • 00:10:35.100 --> 00:10:36.110
  • I think that in those early
  • 00:10:36.110 --> 00:10:38.070
  • years, music was really becoming
  • 00:10:38.070 --> 00:10:40.270
  • a language for me to express
  • 00:10:40.270 --> 00:10:43.190
  • myself because that was how so
  • 00:10:43.190 --> 00:10:45.240
  • many people who influenced my
  • 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.210
  • life expressed themselves to me,
  • 00:10:47.210 --> 00:10:50.060
  • you know, the kitchen right here
  • 00:10:50.060 --> 00:10:52.200
  • beside where I'm sitting is
  • 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.260
  • the place where it would become
  • 00:10:54.260 --> 00:10:57.060
  • off-limits late at night when my
  • 00:10:57.060 --> 00:10:58.220
  • dad and all his buddies would
  • 00:10:58.220 --> 00:11:00.050
  • get together and write music.
  • 00:11:00.050 --> 00:11:02.060
  • And I would hear 'em in there
  • 00:11:02.060 --> 00:11:04.240
  • and it just had--there was such
  • 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:05.260
  • a mysterious kind of mystique
  • 00:11:05.260 --> 00:11:08.050
  • about, you know, what's going on
  • 00:11:08.050 --> 00:11:09.220
  • in there, you know.
  • 00:11:09.220 --> 00:11:10.120
  • They're creating music.
  • 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:11.170
  • - Steven: She doesn't just set
  • 00:11:11.170 --> 00:11:13.160
  • this up because she knew we were
  • 00:11:13.160 --> 00:11:14.220
  • coming with cameras.
  • 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:16.150
  • Every time I come home, she's
  • 00:11:16.150 --> 00:11:18.020
  • got the latest collection of
  • 00:11:18.020 --> 00:11:19.030
  • everything I've done laid out.
  • 00:11:19.030 --> 00:11:21.050
  • Yup, see, there you go.
  • 00:11:21.050 --> 00:11:22.240
  • She's got 'em--she's got 'em
  • 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.010
  • all, I'm tellin' ya.
  • 00:11:24.010 --> 00:11:25.180
  • President of the Steven Curtis
  • 00:11:25.180 --> 00:11:27.100
  • Chapman fan club right here, my
  • 00:11:27.100 --> 00:11:28.270
  • grandmother.
  • 00:11:28.270 --> 00:11:30.130
  • - Steven: This was the piano I
  • 00:11:30.130 --> 00:11:31.050
  • used to try out my new songs on
  • 00:11:31.050 --> 00:11:32.250
  • Grandma and Dad, you guys are so
  • 00:11:32.250 --> 00:11:35.050
  • rarin' to listen.
  • 00:11:35.050 --> 00:11:36.150
  • Yeah, one of the songs that
  • 00:11:36.150 --> 00:11:37.130
  • actually on my first album.
  • 00:11:37.130 --> 00:11:39.090
  • It's called, "Hiding Place."
  • 00:11:39.090 --> 00:11:40.140
  • And I remember playing that
  • 00:11:40.140 --> 00:11:41.140
  • and sitting down here.
  • 00:11:41.140 --> 00:11:42.200
  • It's been too many years since I
  • 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:44.020
  • played it but it was something
  • 00:11:44.020 --> 00:11:45.150
  • like--
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  • You're my hiding place,
  • 00:11:47.150 --> 00:11:50.150
  • safe in your embrace.
  • 00:11:52.180 --> 00:11:55.180
  • I'm protected from
  • 00:11:56.210 --> 00:11:59.210
  • the storm that rages.
  • 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.200
  • And when the waters rise
  • 00:12:06.010 --> 00:12:09.010
  • and I run to hide,
  • 00:12:10.280 --> 00:12:13.280
  • Lord, in you I find
  • 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.000
  • my hiding place.
  • 00:12:20.050 --> 00:12:23.050
  • Lord, in you I find
  • 00:12:25.090 --> 00:12:28.090
  • Lord, in you I find
  • 00:12:28.090 --> 00:12:34.250
  • - Tom: I'm here with
  • 00:12:41.220 --> 00:12:44.220
  • Steven Curtis Chapman
  • 00:12:44.220 --> 00:12:45.220
  • and we're talking about
  • 00:12:45.220 --> 00:12:47.040
  • his new book, "Between
  • 00:12:47.040 --> 00:12:48.210
  • Heaven & the Real World."
  • 00:12:48.210 --> 00:12:50.130
  • And for those of you watching,
  • 00:12:50.130 --> 00:12:51.280
  • this was the very first
  • 00:12:51.280 --> 00:12:53.130
  • opportunity that anyone's
  • 00:12:53.130 --> 00:12:55.050
  • ever had because
  • 00:12:55.050 --> 00:12:56.120
  • It's in bookstores everywhere.
  • 00:12:58.260 --> 00:13:00.190
  • And because Matt and Laurie are
  • 00:13:00.190 --> 00:13:02.080
  • so committed, we're not gonna
  • 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:03.140
  • have somebody on this program
  • 00:13:03.140 --> 00:13:04.170
  • that we can't offer
  • 00:13:04.170 --> 00:13:05.290
  • something that you're gonna
  • 00:13:05.290 --> 00:13:06.240
  • be able to get.
  • 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:07.240
  • So they wanna make this book
  • 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.000
  • available to you
  • 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:10.090
  • for a gift of any amount.
  • 00:13:10.090 --> 00:13:11.270
  • So just please call the number
  • 00:13:11.270 --> 00:13:13.070
  • on the bottom of your screen
  • 00:13:13.070 --> 00:13:14.110
  • and get "Between
  • 00:13:14.110 --> 00:13:15.100
  • Heaven & the Real World."
  • 00:13:15.100 --> 00:13:16.130
  • Steven, that's kind of
  • 00:13:16.130 --> 00:13:17.220
  • the early years.
  • 00:13:17.220 --> 00:13:18.280
  • You talk a whole bunch of stuff
  • 00:13:18.280 --> 00:13:20.010
  • about Paducah, Kentucky.
  • 00:13:20.010 --> 00:13:22.160
  • Did I say that right?
  • 00:13:22.160 --> 00:13:23.030
  • - Steven: I do.
  • 00:13:23.030 --> 00:13:23.200
  • Yeah, you did it very,
  • 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:24.080
  • very well.
  • 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:25.010
  • Yes, yeah.
  • 00:13:25.010 --> 00:13:25.240
  • - Tom: Paducah, Kentucky,
  • 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:26.220
  • and so you and your brother
  • 00:13:26.220 --> 00:13:27.230
  • and Mom and Dad.
  • 00:13:27.230 --> 00:13:28.180
  • Tell us about that pastor
  • 00:13:28.180 --> 00:13:30.070
  • walking by and knocking on
  • 00:13:30.070 --> 00:13:31.090
  • the wall, on the window.
  • 00:13:31.090 --> 00:13:33.110
  • - Steven: Well, it's gonna take
  • 00:13:33.110 --> 00:13:34.240
  • everything I can do to hold it
  • 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:36.120
  • together, watching these clips
  • 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.060
  • because I haven't seen--that's
  • 00:13:38.060 --> 00:13:40.040
  • my grandmother that I was
  • 00:13:40.040 --> 00:13:41.120
  • singing that song with who
  • 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.050
  • went to be with Jesus
  • 00:13:43.050 --> 00:13:44.030
  • a couple of years ago.
  • 00:13:44.030 --> 00:13:45.210
  • And I haven't watched that clip
  • 00:13:45.210 --> 00:13:46.170
  • since then so, phew, I was--I'm
  • 00:13:46.170 --> 00:13:48.240
  • trying to hold it together.
  • 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:49.280
  • And my other grandparents who
  • 00:13:49.280 --> 00:13:51.210
  • were with me in that video,
  • 00:13:51.210 --> 00:13:53.070
  • my mom's mom and dad who
  • 00:13:53.070 --> 00:13:54.280
  • are now with Jesus as well.
  • 00:13:54.280 --> 00:13:56.040
  • Faithful followers of Jesus.
  • 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.240
  • A lot of the reason I'm sitting
  • 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:00.290
  • here tonight are some of the
  • 00:14:00.290 --> 00:14:02.100
  • faces you saw in that video who
  • 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:03.260
  • prayed for me, who planted the
  • 00:14:03.260 --> 00:14:05.210
  • seeds of truth in my heart, in
  • 00:14:05.210 --> 00:14:07.010
  • my life.
  • 00:14:07.010 --> 00:14:08.170
  • And my parents, my mom and my
  • 00:14:08.170 --> 00:14:10.120
  • dad, godly, amazing people but
  • 00:14:11.070 --> 00:14:14.070
  • when I was a little boy up until
  • 00:14:14.070 --> 00:14:16.260
  • about the age of 7, my dad loved
  • 00:14:16.260 --> 00:14:17.220
  • hunting on Saturday night with
  • 00:14:19.130 --> 00:14:22.130
  • his buddies and he was out late
  • 00:14:22.130 --> 00:14:24.220
  • at night.
  • 00:14:24.220 --> 00:14:25.140
  • And so my mom would take my
  • 00:14:25.140 --> 00:14:27.010
  • brother and me to church but Dad
  • 00:14:27.010 --> 00:14:29.000
  • would usually sleep in.
  • 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.100
  • And so our pastor, amazing godly
  • 00:14:31.100 --> 00:14:33.240
  • man, David McMichael, would come
  • 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:36.130
  • by the house and literally knock
  • 00:14:36.130 --> 00:14:39.040
  • on the window where he knew my
  • 00:14:39.040 --> 00:14:40.260
  • dad was sleeping and holler in
  • 00:14:40.260 --> 00:14:43.040
  • the window.
  • 00:14:43.040 --> 00:14:44.000
  • This is a whole different style
  • 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:45.150
  • of door-to-door,
  • 00:14:45.150 --> 00:14:46.190
  • window-to-window, evangelism
  • 00:14:46.190 --> 00:14:47.200
  • right here.
  • 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:49.050
  • And he'd yell in the window,
  • 00:14:49.050 --> 00:14:50.090
  • "Herb Chapman, get out of bed.
  • 00:14:50.090 --> 00:14:51.230
  • Come to church with
  • 00:14:51.230 --> 00:14:52.150
  • your family."
  • 00:14:52.150 --> 00:14:53.200
  • And my dad didn't really
  • 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:55.120
  • like him a lot at that time
  • 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.130
  • and over a time and through
  • 00:14:57.130 --> 00:15:00.070
  • revival that happened in our
  • 00:15:00.070 --> 00:15:02.130
  • little Olivet Baptist Church,
  • 00:15:02.130 --> 00:15:04.050
  • you saw it there in the video.
  • 00:15:04.050 --> 00:15:05.170
  • It's so fun getting to show
  • 00:15:05.170 --> 00:15:06.140
  • those pictures and those videos
  • 00:15:06.140 --> 00:15:07.260
  • 'cause that was the place where
  • 00:15:07.260 --> 00:15:09.160
  • just it was a very, you know,
  • 00:15:09.290 --> 00:15:12.290
  • not any unusual occurrence.
  • 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.080
  • Every few months, you know,
  • 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:17.150
  • we'd have these gatherings,
  • 00:15:17.150 --> 00:15:19.000
  • these revivals, at our church.
  • 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:20.110
  • And it was a result of that that
  • 00:15:20.110 --> 00:15:23.000
  • God stirred in my dad's heart,
  • 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.200
  • got--my mom got him to go to
  • 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:26.250
  • church.
  • 00:15:26.250 --> 00:15:27.150
  • I think, you know, Pastor
  • 00:15:27.150 --> 00:15:28.170
  • McMichael and his knocking on
  • 00:15:28.170 --> 00:15:30.260
  • the window, maybe Dad just
  • 00:15:30.260 --> 00:15:31.200
  • thought, "I'll get a little
  • 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:32.160
  • sleep if I just show up one time
  • 00:15:32.160 --> 00:15:33.190
  • and at least get him off
  • 00:15:33.190 --> 00:15:34.290
  • my back."
  • 00:15:34.290 --> 00:15:35.230
  • But God began to stir in
  • 00:15:35.230 --> 00:15:37.130
  • my family's heart and I got to
  • 00:15:37.130 --> 00:15:38.290
  • watch a transformation happen in
  • 00:15:38.290 --> 00:15:41.130
  • my parents' lives, in my older
  • 00:15:41.130 --> 00:15:43.080
  • brother, Herbie, who I talk
  • 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:44.170
  • about a lot in the book, and our
  • 00:15:44.170 --> 00:15:47.100
  • journey together.
  • 00:15:47.100 --> 00:15:48.160
  • He's one of my best friends in
  • 00:15:48.160 --> 00:15:49.230
  • the world.
  • 00:15:49.230 --> 00:15:50.210
  • And truly a great influence in
  • 00:15:50.210 --> 00:15:52.240
  • - Tom: And you always said
  • 00:15:55.030 --> 00:15:55.250
  • he's a better singer.
  • 00:15:55.250 --> 00:15:56.250
  • - Steven: He is.
  • 00:15:56.250 --> 00:15:57.140
  • He really is.
  • 00:15:57.140 --> 00:15:58.130
  • In fact, if you heard him, you'd
  • 00:15:58.130 --> 00:15:59.190
  • probably just say, "All right,
  • 00:15:59.190 --> 00:16:01.120
  • Steve, we're done.
  • 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:02.140
  • Thank you.
  • 00:16:02.140 --> 00:16:02.290
  • He's--we want Herbie,"
  • 00:16:02.290 --> 00:16:04.050
  • 'cause he's a great singer.
  • 00:16:04.050 --> 00:16:05.210
  • And we grew up singing together.
  • 00:16:05.210 --> 00:16:08.150
  • Once my parents committed their
  • 00:16:08.150 --> 00:16:10.010
  • lives to Christ, I was,
  • 00:16:10.010 --> 00:16:11.190
  • like I say, about 7.
  • 00:16:11.190 --> 00:16:13.080
  • It was a few months later, I
  • 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:14.050
  • watched this really transforming
  • 00:16:14.050 --> 00:16:16.050
  • thing happen in their lives.
  • 00:16:16.050 --> 00:16:17.150
  • 'Cause as I tell in the book, I,
  • 00:16:17.150 --> 00:16:18.190
  • you know, when I was a little
  • 00:16:18.190 --> 00:16:20.040
  • guy, my parents started out with
  • 00:16:20.040 --> 00:16:21.280
  • very little chance of making it,
  • 00:16:21.280 --> 00:16:24.130
  • you know?
  • 00:16:24.130 --> 00:16:25.050
  • They started just in all
  • 00:16:25.050 --> 00:16:26.080
  • the wrong ways.
  • 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:27.160
  • My mom was 16.
  • 00:16:27.160 --> 00:16:29.240
  • You know, my brother came along.
  • 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:31.020
  • They didn't even know if they
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  • were, you know, really in love
  • 00:16:32.010 --> 00:16:33.270
  • and how were they gonna make
  • 00:16:33.270 --> 00:16:35.090
  • this work and so I was actually
  • 00:16:35.090 --> 00:16:37.050
  • about in the book to really kind
  • 00:16:41.010 --> 00:16:42.090
  • of, it's either we're gonna
  • 00:16:42.090 --> 00:16:43.220
  • chuck it and give up on this
  • 00:16:43.220 --> 00:16:45.160
  • marriage or let's have--maybe we
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  • should have another child
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  • and maybe that will help.
  • 00:16:49.040 --> 00:16:51.100
  • As crazy as that sounds,
  • 00:16:51.100 --> 00:16:52.100
  • that's kinda how God brought me
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  • into this world.
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  • - Tom: No, you talk about you
  • 00:16:55.040 --> 00:16:55.280
  • kinda being a fixer.
  • 00:16:55.280 --> 00:16:56.230
  • You're kinda that guy to bring
  • 00:16:56.230 --> 00:16:58.100
  • things together.
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  • - Steven: Yeah, I mean, was
  • 00:16:59.020 --> 00:17:00.060
  • sort of born to do that, to save
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  • my parents' marriage and, you
  • 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:03.070
  • know, and it did begin to get
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  • better.
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  • It wasn't me, obviously, it was
  • 00:17:05.230 --> 00:17:06.200
  • God and it was--there's a work
  • 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.020
  • that he did.
  • 00:17:08.020 --> 00:17:08.290
  • But certainly, I've--I carried
  • 00:17:08.290 --> 00:17:10.060
  • that with me and, you know,
  • 00:17:10.060 --> 00:17:12.030
  • share a lot about that and how
  • 00:17:12.030 --> 00:17:13.160
  • that, you know, has good and
  • 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.030
  • bad, really, affected my life.
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  • - Tom: I think the one thing
  • 00:17:17.060 --> 00:17:18.090
  • that was surprising to me was to
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  • find out that your dad really
  • 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.060
  • had a music store.
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  • That you were kind of born into
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  • a musical family.
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  • Like it or not, there you were.
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  • - Steven: Yeah, he did.
  • 00:17:28.170 --> 00:17:29.120
  • That was his life--his boyhood
  • 00:17:29.120 --> 00:17:31.220
  • dream was to someday have a
  • 00:17:31.220 --> 00:17:32.270
  • music store.
  • 00:17:32.270 --> 00:17:33.250
  • He's a great singer and, again,
  • 00:17:33.250 --> 00:17:35.230
  • way better singer.
  • 00:17:35.230 --> 00:17:37.010
  • I finally got my brother and my
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  • dad to sing with me on an album
  • 00:17:38.100 --> 00:17:40.170
  • I did a few years ago and
  • 00:17:40.170 --> 00:17:41.130
  • actually did a bluegrass album,
  • 00:17:41.130 --> 00:17:43.100
  • growing up in Kentucky.
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  • That's the music I grew up
  • 00:17:44.140 --> 00:17:45.290
  • hearing when I was a little boy.
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  • My dad played bluegrass and folk
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  • music on the weekends.
  • 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:50.060
  • And then when he gave his life
  • 00:17:50.060 --> 00:17:51.190
  • to Christ, he began to lead
  • 00:17:51.190 --> 00:17:52.260
  • worship and he was the choir
  • 00:17:52.260 --> 00:17:54.190
  • director.
  • 00:17:54.190 --> 00:17:55.120
  • We didn't have worship leaders
  • 00:17:55.120 --> 00:17:56.040
  • back then, you know.
  • 00:17:56.040 --> 00:17:56.280
  • It was the minister of music at
  • 00:17:56.280 --> 00:17:58.110
  • our church.
  • 00:17:58.110 --> 00:17:59.220
  • And we sang together as a
  • 00:17:59.220 --> 00:18:01.260
  • family.
  • 00:18:01.260 --> 00:18:02.230
  • We would take guitars 'cause he
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  • played guitar and he taught me
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  • everything I know on the guitar.
  • 00:18:06.110 --> 00:18:08.020
  • And my brother played bass.
  • 00:18:08.020 --> 00:18:09.220
  • Played upright bass.
  • 00:18:09.220 --> 00:18:10.270
  • And my mom shook a tambourine
  • 00:18:10.270 --> 00:18:12.230
  • and we sang together in church.
  • 00:18:12.230 --> 00:18:14.230
  • And we would go to church in our
  • 00:18:14.230 --> 00:18:15.250
  • little VW Beetle, you know, and
  • 00:18:15.250 --> 00:18:18.060
  • my brother and his bass would be
  • 00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:20.110
  • sticking out the window.
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  • I mean, we all literally,
  • 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.010
  • 2 guitars, an upright bass, and
  • 00:18:23.010 --> 00:18:25.060
  • all four of us in our little
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  • Volkswagen.
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  • - Tom: And you described the
  • 00:18:27.190 --> 00:18:28.180
  • outfits you and your brother
  • 00:18:28.180 --> 00:18:29.180
  • wore.
  • 00:18:29.180 --> 00:18:30.110
  • - Steven: Oh yeah, we were
  • 00:18:30.110 --> 00:18:31.130
  • sharp.
  • 00:18:31.130 --> 00:18:32.060
  • We had the matching--it was--we
  • 00:18:32.060 --> 00:18:33.030
  • were--if anybody here's old
  • 00:18:33.030 --> 00:18:34.030
  • enough to remember or watching
  • 00:18:34.030 --> 00:18:35.050
  • you know, and the Osmond
  • 00:18:37.070 --> 00:18:38.060
  • Brothers.
  • 00:18:38.060 --> 00:18:39.050
  • Remember those?
  • 00:18:39.050 --> 00:18:40.000
  • Okay, okay, the denim outfits,
  • 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:41.110
  • the, you know, denim with the
  • 00:18:41.110 --> 00:18:42.050
  • white patent leather shoes,
  • 00:18:42.050 --> 00:18:43.270
  • that?
  • 00:18:43.270 --> 00:18:44.220
  • We had that, those outfits.
  • 00:18:44.220 --> 00:18:46.090
  • - Tom: You and Herbie?
  • 00:18:46.090 --> 00:18:47.070
  • - Steven: Pretty much, yeah,
  • 00:18:47.070 --> 00:18:48.110
  • Herbie and me, we got some very
  • 00:18:48.110 --> 00:18:49.140
  • incriminating photos of us back
  • 00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:50.160
  • in those days.
  • 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:51.210
  • But, yeah.
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  • - Tom: That's awesome.
  • 00:18:52.170 --> 00:18:53.150
  • - Steven: Mom thought we were
  • 00:18:53.150 --> 00:18:54.060
  • cute.
  • 00:18:54.060 --> 00:18:54.260
  • - Tom: Well, you also talked a
  • 00:18:54.260 --> 00:18:56.020
  • lot about your baseball career.
  • 00:18:56.020 --> 00:18:57.250
  • - Steven: Yeah, we'd rather not
  • 00:18:57.250 --> 00:18:59.230
  • talk about that.
  • 00:18:59.230 --> 00:19:01.010
  • I do talk a little bit about
  • 00:19:01.010 --> 00:19:02.110
  • my--yes, my--I was the
  • 00:19:02.110 --> 00:19:05.040
  • strike-out king.
  • 00:19:05.090 --> 00:19:08.090
  • I think I set a record for most
  • 00:19:08.090 --> 00:19:09.090
  • strike-outs of any little
  • 00:19:09.090 --> 00:19:10.200
  • leaguer that ever played the
  • 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:11.240
  • game.
  • 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:12.250
  • But, again, amazing kind of
  • 00:19:12.250 --> 00:19:14.050
  • looking back which is part of
  • 00:19:14.050 --> 00:19:15.150
  • gift, even for me to look back,
  • 00:19:17.180 --> 00:19:19.260
  • you know, and watch how
  • 00:19:19.260 --> 00:19:21.200
  • God--that's the amazing thing
  • 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:23.010
  • about, you know, when we really
  • 00:19:23.010 --> 00:19:24.070
  • see God writing our stories.
  • 00:19:24.070 --> 00:19:26.030
  • When we really allow him to
  • 00:19:26.030 --> 00:19:28.260
  • and look for that, you know.
  • 00:19:28.260 --> 00:19:30.290
  • I see so many amazing ways that
  • 00:19:30.290 --> 00:19:33.040
  • were, some of 'em, pretty
  • 00:19:33.040 --> 00:19:35.020
  • devastating, you know, for a
  • 00:19:35.020 --> 00:19:36.070
  • little guy.
  • 00:19:36.070 --> 00:19:37.070
  • And really heartbreaking.
  • 00:19:37.070 --> 00:19:38.100
  • And even some of the ways
  • 00:19:38.100 --> 00:19:39.220
  • that shaped me to say,
  • 00:19:39.220 --> 00:19:40.190
  • "I do not wanna fail.
  • 00:19:40.190 --> 00:19:42.100
  • I'm gonna find something that I
  • 00:19:42.100 --> 00:19:43.020
  • succeed at and that's the only
  • 00:19:43.020 --> 00:19:44.190
  • thing I'm gonna do," you know,
  • 00:19:44.190 --> 00:19:46.190
  • some things that weren't and
  • 00:19:46.190 --> 00:19:48.090
  • haven't been altogether healthy.
  • 00:19:48.090 --> 00:19:49.270
  • But even in those to watch how
  • 00:19:49.270 --> 00:19:51.010
  • God takes, you know, the--how
  • 00:19:51.010 --> 00:19:52.270
  • many people say, "Our messes
  • 00:19:52.270 --> 00:19:54.280
  • and makes it our message,"
  • 00:19:54.280 --> 00:19:56.200
  • you know?
  • 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:58.140
  • And God has done that in
  • 00:19:58.140 --> 00:19:59.200
  • my life.
  • 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:00.150
  • - Tom: Well, again, I think,
  • 00:20:00.150 --> 00:20:01.200
  • you know, the book, "Between
  • 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:02.150
  • Heaven & the Real World," I
  • 00:20:02.150 --> 00:20:03.150
  • think what Steven, what you've
  • 00:20:03.150 --> 00:20:04.160
  • done in that book, is I think
  • 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:06.020
  • you shown how you were shaped
  • 00:20:06.020 --> 00:20:08.180
  • but more importantly you let us
  • 00:20:08.180 --> 00:20:10.010
  • know how we're all shaped
  • 00:20:10.010 --> 00:20:11.060
  • in that.
  • 00:20:11.060 --> 00:20:12.030
  • And I think that really speaks
  • 00:20:12.030 --> 00:20:13.040
  • to us.
  • 00:20:13.040 --> 00:20:13.280
  • And I think that, you know,
  • 00:20:13.280 --> 00:20:15.140
  • he's faithful.
  • 00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:16.120
  • - Steven: Yeah, absolutely.
  • 00:20:16.120 --> 00:20:17.220
  • And that is the--that's
  • 00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:19.050
  • the bottom line of all of it.
  • 00:20:19.050 --> 00:20:20.290
  • That's every page, my prayer
  • 00:20:20.290 --> 00:20:22.200
  • was, "God, let it be.
  • 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:24.200
  • Your faithfulness in my story
  • 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:27.020
  • from a little boy and all the,
  • 00:20:27.020 --> 00:20:29.180
  • you know, good and bad and ugly
  • 00:20:29.180 --> 00:20:31.120
  • of--and my parents were--I honor
  • 00:20:31.120 --> 00:20:33.190
  • them.
  • 00:20:33.190 --> 00:20:34.130
  • If they see this show, they know
  • 00:20:34.130 --> 00:20:35.210
  • how important it was for me.
  • 00:20:35.210 --> 00:20:37.210
  • The two words God gave me
  • 00:20:37.210 --> 00:20:38.270
  • was honesty.
  • 00:20:38.270 --> 00:20:40.080
  • Be honest and share
  • 00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:41.160
  • in their stories.
  • 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:42.090
  • People are gonna need to hear
  • 00:20:42.090 --> 00:20:43.010
  • that.
  • 00:20:43.010 --> 00:20:43.190
  • They're gonna need to know that.
  • 00:20:43.190 --> 00:20:44.230
  • Even when it's kind of hard and
  • 00:20:44.230 --> 00:20:46.090
  • painful, share it honestly and
  • 00:20:46.090 --> 00:20:48.040
  • trust me with that.
  • 00:20:48.040 --> 00:20:49.070
  • And then, honor.
  • 00:20:49.070 --> 00:20:51.140
  • Honor your parents.
  • 00:20:51.140 --> 00:20:52.270
  • Honor what I've done in your
  • 00:20:52.270 --> 00:20:55.060
  • life through even all of that.
  • 00:20:55.060 --> 00:20:57.090
  • And God has just been--he's been
  • 00:20:57.090 --> 00:20:59.120
  • faithful.
  • 00:20:59.120 --> 00:21:00.170
  • He has been faithful every step
  • 00:21:00.170 --> 00:21:02.170
  • of the way.
  • 00:21:02.170 --> 00:21:03.140
  • And I've sung a lot of songs
  • 00:21:03.140 --> 00:21:04.240
  • about that.
  • 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:05.200
  • I have written a lot of songs
  • 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:08.110
  • about it.
  • 00:21:08.110 --> 00:21:09.140
  • I've been asked through
  • 00:21:09.140 --> 00:21:10.120
  • the years many times,
  • 00:21:10.120 --> 00:21:11.100
  • "What's your favorite song?"
  • 00:21:11.100 --> 00:21:12.270
  • And that's kind of impossible
  • 00:21:12.270 --> 00:21:13.280
  • 'cause I've written hundreds of
  • 00:21:13.280 --> 00:21:15.020
  • them now and they all are
  • 00:21:15.020 --> 00:21:16.080
  • favorites for different reasons.
  • 00:21:16.080 --> 00:21:17.130
  • But I've always answered it this
  • 00:21:17.130 --> 00:21:20.010
  • way and, with your permission,
  • 00:21:20.010 --> 00:21:21.250
  • I'm gonna sing this song because
  • 00:21:21.250 --> 00:21:23.040
  • had enough breath in my lungs to
  • 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:27.030
  • sing one song left, if I had
  • 00:21:27.030 --> 00:21:29.100
  • just enough, you know, oxygen,
  • 00:21:29.100 --> 00:21:31.080
  • it's like, all right, you get
  • 00:21:31.080 --> 00:21:32.120
  • one more song, of all of the
  • 00:21:32.120 --> 00:21:34.080
  • ones that I've written what
  • 00:21:34.080 --> 00:21:35.050
  • would it be?
  • 00:21:35.050 --> 00:21:36.010
  • And this is always the song that
  • 00:21:36.010 --> 00:21:38.090
  • comes to mind.
  • 00:21:38.090 --> 00:21:39.060
  • This is a song I recorded on my
  • 00:21:39.060 --> 00:21:40.260
  • first album.
  • 00:21:40.260 --> 00:21:42.070
  • And wrote it with a very dear
  • 00:21:42.070 --> 00:21:44.160
  • friend of mine but I re-recorded
  • 00:21:45.210 --> 00:21:48.210
  • this on the album I mentioned
  • 00:21:48.210 --> 00:21:50.180
  • earlier with my dad and my
  • 00:21:50.180 --> 00:21:51.170
  • brother singing with me which
  • 00:21:51.170 --> 00:21:52.220
  • was pretty special to get to
  • 00:21:52.220 --> 00:21:54.070
  • celebrate God's faithfulness
  • 00:21:54.070 --> 00:21:56.050
  • even with them, with this song.
  • 00:21:56.050 --> 00:21:58.210
  • This is, "My Redeemer is
  • 00:21:58.210 --> 00:22:00.290
  • Faithful and True."
  • 00:22:00.290 --> 00:22:03.260
  • As I look back on this road
  • 00:22:04.020 --> 00:22:07.020
  • I've traveled, I see
  • 00:22:07.180 --> 00:22:10.180
  • so many times he's carried
  • 00:22:10.180 --> 00:22:13.150
  • me through; and if there's
  • 00:22:14.100 --> 00:22:17.100
  • one thing that I've learned
  • 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:20.160
  • in my life, my Redeemer
  • 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.200
  • is faithful and true.
  • 00:22:26.030 --> 00:22:29.030
  • My Redeemer is faithful
  • 00:22:29.110 --> 00:22:32.110
  • and true.
  • 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:35.240
  • And everything he has said
  • 00:22:36.090 --> 00:22:39.090
  • he will do and every morning
  • 00:22:41.110 --> 00:22:44.110
  • his mercies are new.
  • 00:22:46.020 --> 00:22:49.020
  • My Redeemer
  • 00:22:49.020 --> 00:22:51.030
  • is faithful and true.
  • 00:22:58.020 --> 00:23:01.040
  • And my heart rejoices
  • 00:23:01.040 --> 00:23:03.030
  • when I read the promise
  • 00:23:04.060 --> 00:23:07.060
  • "There's a place that
  • 00:23:07.060 --> 00:23:09.050
  • I'm preparing for you."
  • 00:23:11.030 --> 00:23:14.030
  • And I know someday I'll
  • 00:23:14.030 --> 00:23:16.000
  • see my Lord face to face,
  • 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:19.240
  • 'cause my Redeemer
  • 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:21.250
  • is faithful and true.
  • 00:23:23.070 --> 00:23:26.070
  • And my Redeemer
  • 00:23:26.070 --> 00:23:28.030
  • is faithful and true.
  • 00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:32.280
  • And everything he has said
  • 00:23:32.280 --> 00:23:35.180
  • he will do and every morning
  • 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:41.240
  • his mercies are new.
  • 00:23:43.190 --> 00:23:46.190
  • My Redeemer is faithful
  • 00:23:46.280 --> 00:23:49.280
  • and true.
  • 00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:53.140
  • And in every situation he
  • 00:23:54.060 --> 00:23:57.060
  • has proved his love for me;
  • 00:23:57.080 --> 00:24:00.100
  • when I lack the
  • 00:24:00.100 --> 00:24:01.150
  • understanding, he gives
  • 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:04.160
  • more grace to me.
  • 00:24:09.140 --> 00:24:12.140
  • My Redeemer is faithful
  • 00:24:13.050 --> 00:24:16.050
  • and true.
  • 00:24:16.100 --> 00:24:19.100
  • And everything he has said
  • 00:24:19.100 --> 00:24:22.090
  • he will do and every morning
  • 00:24:24.260 --> 00:24:27.260
  • his mercies are new.
  • 00:24:30.110 --> 00:24:33.110
  • My Redeemer is faithful
  • 00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:36.180
  • and true.
  • 00:24:38.030 --> 00:24:41.030
  • and true.
  • 00:24:41.030 --> 00:24:50.250
  • [music]
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  • - Tom: My guest,
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  • Steven Curtis Chapman.
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  • We're speaking about
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  • his brand new book, "Between
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  • Heaven & the Real World."
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  • It's available.
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  • You're able to call
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  • in right now.
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  • There's a number on the bottom
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  • of your screen.
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  • You can call in and we'll send
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  • that to you for your gift of
  • 00:25:15.030 --> 00:25:16.270
  • any amount.
  • 00:25:16.270 --> 00:25:17.230
  • Steven, thank you so much
  • 00:25:17.230 --> 00:25:19.000
  • for coming and sharing
  • 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:19.290
  • what's going on.
  • 00:25:19.290 --> 00:25:21.020
  • This is significant.
  • 00:25:21.020 --> 00:25:22.280
  • It's really a time.
  • 00:25:22.280 --> 00:25:24.140
  • And one of the things that you
  • 00:25:24.140 --> 00:25:26.120
  • spend quite a bit of time
  • 00:25:26.120 --> 00:25:27.130
  • with and when I asked you
  • 00:25:27.130 --> 00:25:28.210
  • the question, "How far can we
  • 00:25:28.210 --> 00:25:30.180
  • go on these things," you know,
  • 00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:32.160
  • it was--you talk a lot about
  • 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:33.180
  • your marriage.
  • 00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:34.280
  • You talk a lot about struggles
  • 00:25:34.280 --> 00:25:37.090
  • through the years.
  • 00:25:37.090 --> 00:25:38.130
  • There's actually a point
  • 00:25:38.130 --> 00:25:40.230
  • in there where you bust up
  • 00:25:40.230 --> 00:25:42.080
  • a plaster wall.
  • 00:25:42.080 --> 00:25:44.260
  • - Steven: Thanks for bringing
  • 00:25:44.260 --> 00:25:46.010
  • that up.
  • 00:25:46.010 --> 00:25:47.200
  • - Tom: Yeah, well, that's why
  • 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:48.190
  • I asked.
  • 00:25:48.190 --> 00:25:49.160
  • - Steven: Yes, yeah.
  • 00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:50.230
  • - Tom: But, you know, it's, I
  • 00:25:50.230 --> 00:25:52.000
  • think a lot of us don't realize
  • 00:25:52.110 --> 00:25:55.110
  • that we see people like you and
  • 00:25:55.110 --> 00:25:57.010
  • we say, "My goodness,
  • 00:25:57.010 --> 00:25:58.000
  • what a perfect life."
  • 00:25:58.000 --> 00:25:59.020
  • Talk to us just
  • 00:25:59.020 --> 00:26:00.240
  • a little bit about that.
  • 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:01.250
  • About you and Mary Beth,
  • 00:26:01.250 --> 00:26:02.240
  • how you guys met.
  • 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.190
  • I know that there's a great
  • 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:04.100
  • history there, Steven.
  • 00:26:04.100 --> 00:26:06.140
  • Talk just a little bit about
  • 00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:07.040
  • this.
  • 00:26:07.040 --> 00:26:07.220
  • - Steven: Well, I met my wife
  • 00:26:07.220 --> 00:26:09.170
  • in Anderson, Indiana.
  • 00:26:09.170 --> 00:26:12.110
  • Anderson University, little
  • 00:26:12.110 --> 00:26:13.260
  • school that we both ended up
  • 00:26:13.260 --> 00:26:15.190
  • at by God's design.
  • 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:19.000
  • And I went to my mailbox.
  • 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:20.130
  • There was mail in there to a
  • 00:26:20.130 --> 00:26:22.100
  • Mary Beth Chapman and I thought,
  • 00:26:22.100 --> 00:26:23.270
  • "Well, this is interesting,"
  • 00:26:23.270 --> 00:26:25.060
  • 'cause I'd always shared
  • 00:26:25.060 --> 00:26:25.290
  • a mailbox with my brother.
  • 00:26:25.290 --> 00:26:27.080
  • My brother Herbie was there
  • 00:26:27.080 --> 00:26:28.050
  • as well.
  • 00:26:28.050 --> 00:26:28.230
  • And so we were always
  • 00:26:28.230 --> 00:26:29.160
  • alphabetically, you know,
  • 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.200
  • together but this year a new
  • 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.120
  • between us, alphabetically,
  • 00:26:34.290 --> 00:26:36.190
  • and it was Mary Beth.
  • 00:26:36.190 --> 00:26:38.100
  • And I didn't meet her for
  • 00:26:38.100 --> 00:26:40.260
  • several days and I was walking
  • 00:26:41.050 --> 00:26:44.050
  • into the cafeteria with a buddy
  • 00:26:44.050 --> 00:26:46.000
  • and she was walking out and we
  • 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:47.220
  • walked past and I saw this just
  • 00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:49.000
  • vision of beauty walking out
  • 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.010
  • the, you know, out of
  • 00:26:51.010 --> 00:26:52.270
  • the cafeteria.
  • 00:26:52.270 --> 00:26:54.010
  • And my friend spoke to her
  • 00:26:54.010 --> 00:26:56.080
  • and said, "Hey, Mary Beth."
  • 00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:57.090
  • And she spoke back and
  • 00:26:57.090 --> 00:26:58.070
  • kept walking.
  • 00:26:58.070 --> 00:26:59.120
  • And I said, "Who was that?"
  • 00:26:59.120 --> 00:27:01.040
  • And he said,
  • 00:27:01.040 --> 00:27:01.210
  • "That's Mary Beth Chapman."
  • 00:27:01.210 --> 00:27:03.000
  • And I said, "That's
  • 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:03.270
  • who I share a mailbox with?
  • 00:27:03.270 --> 00:27:05.110
  • Are you kidding me?"
  • 00:27:05.110 --> 00:27:06.130
  • And so we met.
  • 00:27:06.130 --> 00:27:08.160
  • I tell the story in the book,
  • 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:09.260
  • a quite humorous story of how I
  • 00:27:09.260 --> 00:27:11.280
  • first met her and ran out to try
  • 00:27:11.280 --> 00:27:14.110
  • to catch her as I had friends
  • 00:27:14.110 --> 00:27:15.260
  • all on the lookout for when she
  • 00:27:15.260 --> 00:27:17.090
  • was coming across campus and
  • 00:27:17.090 --> 00:27:18.100
  • then they called the phone at
  • 00:27:18.100 --> 00:27:20.040
  • the end of the hallway 'cause,
  • 00:27:20.040 --> 00:27:21.080
  • you know, no cell phones back in
  • 00:27:21.080 --> 00:27:22.110
  • the day.
  • 00:27:22.110 --> 00:27:23.050
  • We barely had electricity then
  • 00:27:23.050 --> 00:27:24.080
  • and it was--see, they had a
  • 00:27:24.080 --> 00:27:25.240
  • phone--one phone at the end of
  • 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:26.290
  • the hall and they'd, "Chapman,
  • 00:27:26.290 --> 00:27:28.070
  • it's a phone call for you," and,
  • 00:27:28.070 --> 00:27:29.060
  • you know, I'd go and they'd say,
  • 00:27:29.060 --> 00:27:30.100
  • "Mary Beth Chapman, 12 o'clock,"
  • 00:27:30.100 --> 00:27:31.290
  • you know, "coming by your dorm
  • 00:27:31.290 --> 00:27:33.000
  • in about 2 minutes."
  • 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:34.150
  • So I ran out
  • 00:27:34.150 --> 00:27:35.140
  • to meet her and invited her,
  • 00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.200
  • you know, I asked her if we
  • 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.020
  • could have lunch together and we
  • 00:27:40.020 --> 00:27:41.280
  • had several lunches in the
  • 00:27:41.280 --> 00:27:43.020
  • cafeteria and then I decided it
  • 00:27:43.020 --> 00:27:44.110
  • was time to show her what kind
  • 00:27:44.110 --> 00:27:45.250
  • of a big spender she was dealing
  • 00:27:45.250 --> 00:27:47.090
  • with, what kind of man she had
  • 00:27:47.090 --> 00:27:48.210
  • here.
  • 00:27:48.210 --> 00:27:49.180
  • So I went all out and we went to
  • 00:27:49.180 --> 00:27:51.220
  • Red Lobster 'cause, you know,
  • 00:27:51.220 --> 00:27:54.140
  • nothing, you know, nothing like
  • 00:27:54.140 --> 00:27:55.290
  • those cheese biscuits to just,
  • 00:27:55.290 --> 00:27:57.290
  • you know, put love in the air.
  • 00:27:57.290 --> 00:27:59.180
  • So that's where our journey
  • 00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:02.090
  • began there at Anderson.
  • 00:28:02.090 --> 00:28:03.270
  • And it was, you know, we began
  • 00:28:03.270 --> 00:28:05.110
  • our journey, of course, like
  • 00:28:05.110 --> 00:28:06.260
  • many, thinking, I mean, we
  • 00:28:06.260 --> 00:28:08.150
  • just--we couldn't, you know, we
  • 00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:09.240
  • talked all the time.
  • 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:10.270
  • We just had so much--we wanted
  • 00:28:10.270 --> 00:28:11.270
  • to know everything there was to
  • 00:28:11.270 --> 00:28:13.010
  • know about each other.
  • 00:28:13.010 --> 00:28:14.050
  • Right in the beginning we just
  • 00:28:14.050 --> 00:28:15.160
  • asked God to come, be right in
  • 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.020
  • the middle of our relationship
  • 00:28:17.020 --> 00:28:18.030
  • and everything.
  • 00:28:18.030 --> 00:28:19.210
  • And yet about, you know, we got
  • 00:28:20.020 --> 00:28:23.020
  • married thinking, "This is
  • 00:28:23.020 --> 00:28:24.080
  • almost gonna be unfair, how easy
  • 00:28:24.080 --> 00:28:25.170
  • this is.
  • 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:26.120
  • We're so meant for each other.
  • 00:28:26.120 --> 00:28:27.180
  • We're so perfect
  • 00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:28.150
  • for each other."
  • 00:28:28.150 --> 00:28:29.070
  • And that lasted about
  • 00:28:29.070 --> 00:28:30.230
  • 2 hours into our marriage.
  • 00:28:30.230 --> 00:28:33.110
  • And then we began to hit the
  • 00:28:33.110 --> 00:28:35.090
  • very strong, you know, reality
  • 00:28:35.090 --> 00:28:37.290
  • of that we were both very
  • 00:28:37.290 --> 00:28:40.240
  • broken.
  • 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.040
  • We both brought--I brought this,
  • 00:28:42.040 --> 00:28:43.290
  • "I'm gonna fix everything that's
  • 00:28:43.290 --> 00:28:45.140
  • broken, including my wife," you
  • 00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:47.260
  • know, in all those broken places
  • 00:28:47.260 --> 00:28:48.250
  • in her, you know, that I'm
  • 00:28:48.250 --> 00:28:50.020
  • seeing now.
  • 00:28:50.020 --> 00:28:51.090
  • And so that's my job and, you
  • 00:28:51.090 --> 00:28:53.270
  • know, she--so many things in
  • 00:28:53.270 --> 00:28:56.080
  • those early days that I just
  • 00:28:56.080 --> 00:28:58.050
  • could not have done more wrong
  • 00:28:58.050 --> 00:28:59.090
  • and she has been, was,
  • 00:28:59.140 --> 00:29:02.160
  • so forgiving.
  • 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.110
  • And she has done a few wrong
  • 00:29:04.110 --> 00:29:06.220
  • things herself, by her own
  • 00:29:06.220 --> 00:29:08.060
  • admission in the process.
  • 00:29:08.060 --> 00:29:09.220
  • And we both just came in very
  • 00:29:09.220 --> 00:29:11.000
  • broken, very needy, and I do
  • 00:29:11.280 --> 00:29:14.280
  • share a lot of that because I
  • 00:29:14.280 --> 00:29:16.010
  • think, again, one of the things
  • 00:29:16.010 --> 00:29:17.080
  • to people, you know,
  • 00:29:19.280 --> 00:29:21.050
  • I've written a lot of songs,
  • 00:29:21.050 --> 00:29:22.140
  • I've sung a lot of songs.
  • 00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:23.100
  • In fact, I was asked tonight,
  • 00:29:23.100 --> 00:29:24.200
  • "Are you gonna sing that song
  • 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:25.200
  • you wrote for Mary Beth,
  • 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.180
  • 'I Will Be Here'?"
  • 00:29:26.180 --> 00:29:27.230
  • Probably one of my--arguably
  • 00:29:27.230 --> 00:29:29.100
  • one of my best-known songs,
  • 00:29:29.100 --> 00:29:31.050
  • you know, around the world.
  • 00:29:31.050 --> 00:29:33.270
  • I go other places and people
  • 00:29:33.270 --> 00:29:35.000
  • say, "Sing that," you know,
  • 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:35.260
  • "that 'I Will Be Here' song.
  • 00:29:35.260 --> 00:29:36.290
  • In Philippines, it was like
  • 00:29:36.290 --> 00:29:38.040
  • a huge pop hit from
  • 00:29:38.040 --> 00:29:39.140
  • an artist there.
  • 00:29:39.140 --> 00:29:40.190
  • That song has gone a lot of
  • 00:29:40.190 --> 00:29:42.080
  • places and that song was
  • 00:29:42.080 --> 00:29:43.250
  • written, as I share in my story
  • 00:29:43.250 --> 00:29:46.090
  • in the book out of my parents'
  • 00:29:46.090 --> 00:29:47.210
  • divorce after being such an
  • 00:29:47.210 --> 00:29:49.230
  • influence in my life and so much
  • 00:29:49.230 --> 00:29:51.080
  • of their faith being what we
  • 00:29:51.080 --> 00:29:53.060
  • were building our journey on.
  • 00:29:53.060 --> 00:29:54.100
  • - Tom: The line you talked
  • 00:29:54.100 --> 00:29:55.000
  • about, "Divorce is not an
  • 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:55.270
  • option."
  • 00:29:55.270 --> 00:29:56.170
  • - Steven: Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:29:56.170 --> 00:29:57.160
  • - Tom: How that shook you.
  • 00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:58.150
  • - Steven: Yeah, and again,
  • 00:29:58.150 --> 00:29:59.220
  • I couldn't fix this.
  • 00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:00.230
  • I had to--I was supposed to fix
  • 00:30:00.230 --> 00:30:02.000
  • my parents, you know,
  • 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.250
  • their marriage and now it was
  • 00:30:03.250 --> 00:30:05.000
  • crumbling and I was married to
  • 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.110
  • Mary Beth at this time and it
  • 00:30:06.110 --> 00:30:07.260
  • was really for us, you know, one
  • 00:30:07.260 --> 00:30:09.170
  • of those moments to say,
  • 00:30:09.170 --> 00:30:11.030
  • "Okay, just saying the words,
  • 00:30:11.030 --> 00:30:12.080
  • you know, is not enough.
  • 00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:13.290
  • Just saying, 'Divorce is not an
  • 00:30:13.290 --> 00:30:15.060
  • option,'" 'cause that's what my
  • 00:30:15.060 --> 00:30:16.080
  • parents said for many years
  • 00:30:16.080 --> 00:30:17.120
  • and now they're walking
  • 00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:18.250
  • through this.
  • 00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:19.130
  • And that began our journey of
  • 00:30:19.130 --> 00:30:21.040
  • going even deeper into our
  • 00:30:21.040 --> 00:30:22.050
  • brokenness and inviting counsel
  • 00:30:22.050 --> 00:30:24.130
  • and counselors into that and
  • 00:30:24.130 --> 00:30:26.030
  • so it has been an amazing,
  • 00:30:26.030 --> 00:30:28.290
  • glorious, painful journey
  • 00:30:29.290 --> 00:30:32.290
  • but God is faithful.
  • 00:30:32.290 --> 00:30:34.160
  • It's why I'm still getting to
  • 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:35.260
  • sing those songs.
  • 00:30:35.260 --> 00:30:36.190
  • - Tom: What I wanna do is I
  • 00:30:36.190 --> 00:30:37.130
  • wanna take 'em back to Paducah,
  • 00:30:37.130 --> 00:30:38.260
  • Kentucky, and we're gonna take
  • 00:30:38.260 --> 00:30:40.000
  • 'em to the proposal.
  • 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:41.090
  • We wanna do that but I wanna
  • 00:30:41.090 --> 00:30:42.200
  • just bait this just a little bit
  • 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:43.290
  • and say that after we come back
  • 00:30:43.290 --> 00:30:45.150
  • from that, I want you to talk
  • 00:30:45.150 --> 00:30:46.160
  • just a little bit about not only
  • 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.040
  • Red Lobster but the blue speedo.
  • 00:30:48.040 --> 00:30:51.020
  • - Steven: Oh boy!
  • 00:30:51.020 --> 00:30:51.260
  • We're gonna do that, all right.
  • 00:30:51.260 --> 00:30:52.250
  • - Tom: Let's watch
  • 00:30:52.250 --> 00:30:53.140
  • - Tom: Let's watch
  • 00:30:53.140 --> 00:30:55.190
  • I, I will be here.
  • 00:30:58.180 --> 00:31:01.200
  • - Steven: I brought this
  • 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.090
  • beautiful young lady out to this
  • 00:31:02.090 --> 00:31:05.000
  • very spot, sat her up on this
  • 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.220
  • little stone right here and I
  • 00:31:07.250 --> 00:31:10.250
  • was standing here in front of
  • 00:31:10.250 --> 00:31:12.130
  • her and I was talking to her and
  • 00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:14.120
  • my heart was going, brrrrr.
  • 00:31:14.120 --> 00:31:17.000
  • And she felt it, actually.
  • 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:18.070
  • She said she put her hands on my
  • 00:31:18.070 --> 00:31:19.080
  • chest and felt my heart beating,
  • 00:31:19.080 --> 00:31:21.190
  • and was, like, "You okay?"
  • 00:31:21.190 --> 00:31:23.080
  • And I said, "Yeah."
  • 00:31:23.130 --> 00:31:26.130
  • I said,
  • 00:31:26.130 --> 00:31:27.190
  • "But would you marry me?"
  • 00:31:28.020 --> 00:31:31.020
  • Big tears began to form in her
  • 00:31:31.020 --> 00:31:32.190
  • eyes and she started to cry and
  • 00:31:32.190 --> 00:31:35.010
  • I pulled this little box out of
  • 00:31:35.010 --> 00:31:36.190
  • my pocket.
  • 00:31:36.190 --> 00:31:37.220
  • She sat here and she just held
  • 00:31:37.220 --> 00:31:39.030
  • this little box and cried for
  • 00:31:39.030 --> 00:31:40.280
  • about 5 minutes.
  • 00:31:40.280 --> 00:31:42.080
  • And I finally said, "Like, you
  • 00:31:42.080 --> 00:31:43.280
  • gonna open it and look at it or
  • 00:31:43.280 --> 00:31:45.220
  • give me an answer or something
  • 00:31:45.220 --> 00:31:47.020
  • here?"
  • 00:31:47.020 --> 00:31:48.010
  • And so she gave me a big hug
  • 00:31:48.010 --> 00:31:50.150
  • and said, "Yes," and that was
  • 00:31:50.150 --> 00:31:52.110
  • the beginning of truly a great
  • 00:31:53.230 --> 00:31:56.230
  • adventure in my life.
  • 00:31:56.270 --> 00:31:59.270
  • Tomorrow morning
  • 00:31:59.270 --> 00:32:01.110
  • if you wake up
  • 00:32:01.110 --> 00:32:03.200
  • and the future isn't clear
  • 00:32:05.080 --> 00:32:08.080
  • I, I will be here.
  • 00:32:12.120 --> 00:32:15.120
  • Just as sure as the seasons
  • 00:32:16.010 --> 00:32:19.010
  • - Steven: So one great
  • 00:32:19.010 --> 00:32:20.000
  • challenge of the incredible
  • 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:21.040
  • opportunity and platform that
  • 00:32:21.040 --> 00:32:22.250
  • I've experienced and enjoyed for
  • 00:32:22.250 --> 00:32:24.230
  • the last 10 years has been that
  • 00:32:24.230 --> 00:32:26.260
  • of saying with my mouth and
  • 00:32:27.020 --> 00:32:30.020
  • knowing in my heart that my
  • 00:32:30.020 --> 00:32:31.250
  • priorities are my relationship
  • 00:32:31.250 --> 00:32:33.040
  • with God, number one.
  • 00:32:33.040 --> 00:32:34.270
  • And then secondly, my
  • 00:32:34.270 --> 00:32:35.290
  • relationship with my family,
  • 00:32:35.290 --> 00:32:37.200
  • my ministry to them as a father,
  • 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.150
  • as a husband.
  • 00:32:39.150 --> 00:32:40.170
  • And if I'm not doing that
  • 00:32:40.170 --> 00:32:42.000
  • ministry to the glory of God,
  • 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.120
  • then I can scratch
  • 00:32:44.120 --> 00:32:45.220
  • the rest of it.
  • 00:32:45.220 --> 00:32:46.200
  • And I will be here to
  • 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.150
  • watch you grow in beauty.
  • 00:32:50.070 --> 00:32:53.070
  • Tell you all the things
  • 00:32:53.070 --> 00:32:55.180
  • - Steven: And 10 years later, I
  • 00:32:55.180 --> 00:32:57.120
  • sit here, talking to you, having
  • 00:32:57.120 --> 00:32:59.040
  • just finished up one of those
  • 00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:01.000
  • "discussions" with my wife this
  • 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.040
  • morning, one of those painful,
  • 00:33:03.040 --> 00:33:05.190
  • tearful conversations about this
  • 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.160
  • seems like too much and how do
  • 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.280
  • I shut it off and God,
  • 00:33:11.280 --> 00:33:13.030
  • what would you have us do?
  • 00:33:13.030 --> 00:33:14.200
  • And again, on our knees
  • 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:15.190
  • together, saying, "God, show us
  • 00:33:15.190 --> 00:33:17.230
  • how to walk this road for your
  • 00:33:17.230 --> 00:33:19.280
  • glory and to love each other
  • 00:33:19.280 --> 00:33:21.260
  • glory and to love each other
  • 00:33:21.260 --> 00:33:24.000
  • I, I will be here.
  • 00:33:33.060 --> 00:33:36.060
  • - Steven: The greatest
  • 00:33:36.060 --> 00:33:37.010
  • challenge with what I do is
  • 00:33:37.030 --> 00:33:40.030
  • knowing at the end of the day my
  • 00:33:40.030 --> 00:33:42.090
  • family really knows and my wife
  • 00:33:42.090 --> 00:33:44.060
  • really knows that she is more
  • 00:33:44.060 --> 00:33:45.270
  • precious to me than my career.
  • 00:33:45.270 --> 00:33:48.090
  • And to be able to get to the end
  • 00:33:48.090 --> 00:33:49.140
  • of my life and to be able to
  • 00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:51.250
  • have my family and my wife say,
  • 00:33:51.250 --> 00:33:54.190
  • "We saw this guy really walk
  • 00:33:54.190 --> 00:33:56.110
  • through this thing that he did
  • 00:33:56.230 --> 00:33:59.230
  • and we knew that we were
  • 00:33:59.230 --> 00:34:01.160
  • important, that we were
  • 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.220
  • his priority.
  • 00:34:03.220 --> 00:34:05.090
  • We knew that we were precious
  • 00:34:05.090 --> 00:34:07.050
  • treasures to him."
  • 00:34:07.050 --> 00:34:09.150
  • treasures to him."
  • 00:34:09.150 --> 00:34:13.270
  • [music]
  • 00:34:13.290 --> 00:34:19.270
  • - Tom: Well, she said, "Yes."
  • 00:34:25.110 --> 00:34:28.110
  • - Steven: She did, yes,
  • 00:34:28.110 --> 00:34:29.270
  • thankfully.
  • 00:34:29.270 --> 00:34:30.270
  • - Tom: My guest,
  • 00:34:30.270 --> 00:34:31.220
  • Steven Curtis Chapman.
  • 00:34:31.220 --> 00:34:32.180
  • The book, "Between Heaven &
  • 00:34:32.180 --> 00:34:34.090
  • the Real World," available.
  • 00:34:34.090 --> 00:34:36.050
  • We will gladly get that book on
  • 00:34:36.050 --> 00:34:37.230
  • its way to you for your gift
  • 00:34:37.230 --> 00:34:38.290
  • of any amount.
  • 00:34:38.290 --> 00:34:40.030
  • Steven, she said, "Yes."
  • 00:34:40.030 --> 00:34:42.240
  • And then it continued
  • 00:34:42.240 --> 00:34:44.210
  • to just get glorious from there?
  • 00:34:44.210 --> 00:34:46.140
  • - Steven: Yes, it did.
  • 00:34:46.140 --> 00:34:47.160
  • Just wonderful and glorious.
  • 00:34:47.160 --> 00:34:50.130
  • No, it pretty quickly, you know,
  • 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.280
  • began to--we began to realize,
  • 00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.060
  • "This is gonna be a lot harder
  • 00:34:58.060 --> 00:34:59.190
  • than we imagined."
  • 00:34:59.190 --> 00:35:01.120
  • That we, you know,
  • 00:35:01.120 --> 00:35:04.000
  • we're a lot more broken
  • 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.180
  • and that we're both really
  • 00:35:05.230 --> 00:35:08.230
  • stubborn and very hard-headed.
  • 00:35:08.230 --> 00:35:11.080
  • And you know, as I shared
  • 00:35:11.090 --> 00:35:14.090
  • a little bit before, you know,
  • 00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:15.090
  • when we watched that clip,
  • 00:35:15.090 --> 00:35:16.200
  • you know, the song, "I Will Be
  • 00:35:16.200 --> 00:35:17.260
  • Here," you know, really came
  • 00:35:17.260 --> 00:35:19.290
  • from a moment I think much like
  • 00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:24.130
  • my parents and growing up, you
  • 00:35:24.130 --> 00:35:26.110
  • know, in an environment where
  • 00:35:26.110 --> 00:35:28.000
  • you just, you know, you said,
  • 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.140
  • "Hey, where just divorce, you
  • 00:35:30.140 --> 00:35:33.040
  • know, isn't an option.
  • 00:35:33.040 --> 00:35:34.230
  • It's not even a word in our
  • 00:35:34.230 --> 00:35:35.200
  • vocabulary," I heard my parents
  • 00:35:35.200 --> 00:35:36.270
  • say that many times.
  • 00:35:36.270 --> 00:35:38.050
  • And then to all of a sudden, and
  • 00:35:38.050 --> 00:35:39.200
  • literally it was very sudden
  • 00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:41.010
  • when, you know, their marriage
  • 00:35:41.010 --> 00:35:43.130
  • began to disintegrate and
  • 00:35:44.040 --> 00:35:47.040
  • Mary Beth and I began to realize
  • 00:35:47.040 --> 00:35:48.190
  • 'cause I'd been just following
  • 00:35:48.190 --> 00:35:49.290
  • very much in their footsteps.
  • 00:35:49.290 --> 00:35:51.110
  • "Well, hey, this is just--I just
  • 00:35:51.110 --> 00:35:52.110
  • say this and that's pretty much
  • 00:35:52.110 --> 00:35:53.270
  • gonna take care of it."
  • 00:35:53.270 --> 00:35:55.230
  • That we began to try to be more,
  • 00:35:55.230 --> 00:35:58.020
  • I think, in a way, honest about
  • 00:35:58.020 --> 00:36:00.290
  • really our brokenness and
  • 00:36:00.290 --> 00:36:03.080
  • realize that, wait a minute,
  • 00:36:03.080 --> 00:36:04.240
  • there is an enemy who is
  • 00:36:04.240 --> 00:36:06.270
  • absolutely out to destroy
  • 00:36:06.270 --> 00:36:08.100
  • every marriage.
  • 00:36:08.100 --> 00:36:10.190
  • There's nothing, you know, that,
  • 00:36:10.190 --> 00:36:12.020
  • I mean, this enemy hates
  • 00:36:12.020 --> 00:36:13.180
  • anything and everything that
  • 00:36:13.180 --> 00:36:15.050
  • reflects the glory and
  • 00:36:15.050 --> 00:36:16.140
  • the beauty and the goodness of
  • 00:36:16.140 --> 00:36:18.110
  • God's heart.
  • 00:36:18.110 --> 00:36:19.010
  • That shows that to the world.
  • 00:36:19.010 --> 00:36:21.120
  • And nothing does that more than
  • 00:36:21.120 --> 00:36:23.030
  • marriage, more than, you know,
  • 00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:25.150
  • a family.
  • 00:36:25.150 --> 00:36:26.160
  • God created it even to give us
  • 00:36:26.160 --> 00:36:28.140
  • the most tangible expression
  • 00:36:28.140 --> 00:36:30.170
  • of our relationship to Christ,
  • 00:36:30.170 --> 00:36:32.160
  • the bride of Christ and so, of
  • 00:36:32.160 --> 00:36:34.280
  • course, that's gonna be attacked
  • 00:36:34.290 --> 00:36:37.290
  • at every angle and the more we
  • 00:36:38.010 --> 00:36:41.010
  • began to be honest about that
  • 00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:43.080
  • and really acknowledge it as
  • 00:36:43.080 --> 00:36:45.270
  • such, and then in that journey,
  • 00:36:45.270 --> 00:36:48.220
  • as I share again in the book,
  • 00:36:48.220 --> 00:36:50.290
  • you know, there was a point and
  • 00:36:50.290 --> 00:36:53.050
  • Mary Beth, my beautiful brave
  • 00:36:53.050 --> 00:36:55.220
  • just warrior of a wife who wrote
  • 00:36:57.020 --> 00:37:00.040
  • her story and shared it in a
  • 00:37:00.040 --> 00:37:01.170
  • book called, "Choosing to See,"
  • 00:37:01.170 --> 00:37:03.080
  • that so many have been impacted
  • 00:37:03.080 --> 00:37:05.100
  • by her story.
  • 00:37:05.100 --> 00:37:07.190
  • And she shared very honestly of
  • 00:37:07.190 --> 00:37:09.190
  • her own journey and her own
  • 00:37:09.190 --> 00:37:11.050
  • brokenness.
  • 00:37:11.050 --> 00:37:12.060
  • - Tom: It's so fresh to resortá
  • 00:37:12.060 --> 00:37:13.050
  • to that.
  • 00:37:13.050 --> 00:37:14.030
  • - Steven: Yeah, very much.
  • 00:37:14.030 --> 00:37:14.260
  • And even her own journey of
  • 00:37:14.260 --> 00:37:15.160
  • coming to the realization that
  • 00:37:15.160 --> 00:37:16.230
  • she was struggling with
  • 00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:18.200
  • clinical depression and the part
  • 00:37:18.200 --> 00:37:20.270
  • that that began to play.
  • 00:37:20.270 --> 00:37:22.100
  • Here I am on this career
  • 00:37:22.100 --> 00:37:23.120
  • trajectory that begins to take
  • 00:37:23.120 --> 00:37:24.240
  • from home.
  • 00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:29.020
  • She's at home with three little
  • 00:37:29.020 --> 00:37:30.110
  • ones, I'm beginning to, you
  • 00:37:30.110 --> 00:37:32.150
  • know, have all these wonderful
  • 00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:33.190
  • opportunities and yet, as you
  • 00:37:33.190 --> 00:37:34.280
  • heard in that, you know, from
  • 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:36.120
  • the very beginning I knew my
  • 00:37:36.120 --> 00:37:37.190
  • greatest calling was to my
  • 00:37:37.190 --> 00:37:38.270
  • family and my wife.
  • 00:37:38.270 --> 00:37:39.220
  • And yet I'm not able to fix
  • 00:37:39.220 --> 00:37:42.170
  • this.
  • 00:37:42.170 --> 00:37:43.100
  • And--
  • 00:37:43.100 --> 00:37:44.090
  • - Tom: Steven, I think a lot of
  • 00:37:44.090 --> 00:37:45.030
  • us struggle with our career, the
  • 00:37:45.190 --> 00:37:48.190
  • demands on them and family and
  • 00:37:48.190 --> 00:37:50.200
  • family time.
  • 00:37:50.200 --> 00:37:51.220
  • And I think it's easy to feel
  • 00:37:51.220 --> 00:37:53.160
  • like we've failed.
  • 00:37:53.160 --> 00:37:55.030
  • I, you know, I remember a part
  • 00:37:55.030 --> 00:37:57.220
  • in your book about, I think it
  • 00:37:57.220 --> 00:37:59.080
  • was "The Great Adventure" album
  • 00:37:59.080 --> 00:38:00.130
  • was getting ready to come out
  • 00:38:00.130 --> 00:38:01.290
  • and Mary Beth was having
  • 00:38:01.290 --> 00:38:04.090
  • stomach problems.
  • 00:38:04.090 --> 00:38:06.070
  • Didn't know what was going on,
  • 00:38:06.070 --> 00:38:07.120
  • felt like she was gonna die,
  • 00:38:07.120 --> 00:38:08.190
  • literally.
  • 00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:09.100
  • Felt like she was gonna die.
  • 00:38:09.100 --> 00:38:10.220
  • Would you talk about that just a
  • 00:38:10.220 --> 00:38:11.260
  • moment and what happened because
  • 00:38:11.260 --> 00:38:13.180
  • when she rejoined you in Dallas
  • 00:38:13.180 --> 00:38:15.110
  • a few days later, I mean, I
  • 00:38:15.110 --> 00:38:16.290
  • literally wept when I was
  • 00:38:16.290 --> 00:38:18.140
  • reading it in the book, so.
  • 00:38:18.140 --> 00:38:19.210
  • - Steven: Yeah, well, I was,
  • 00:38:19.210 --> 00:38:20.150
  • kind of the launching pad of in
  • 00:38:22.210 --> 00:38:24.050
  • many ways my career with my
  • 00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:26.080
  • great record label,
  • 00:38:26.080 --> 00:38:27.190
  • Sparrow Records, you know.
  • 00:38:27.190 --> 00:38:29.180
  • A lot had been working towards
  • 00:38:29.180 --> 00:38:30.230
  • this release of this album
  • 00:38:30.230 --> 00:38:32.150
  • called "The Great Adventure."
  • 00:38:32.150 --> 00:38:33.290
  • And some people will remember
  • 00:38:33.290 --> 00:38:34.280
  • that.
  • 00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:35.210
  • That was really in many ways
  • 00:38:35.210 --> 00:38:37.160
  • when things really kinda went
  • 00:38:37.160 --> 00:38:39.050
  • into high gear with my career.
  • 00:38:39.050 --> 00:38:40.270
  • We had a huge concert planned at
  • 00:38:40.270 --> 00:38:43.050
  • Reunion Auditorium in Dallas,
  • 00:38:43.050 --> 00:38:45.190
  • Texas, which is the biggest by
  • 00:38:45.190 --> 00:38:47.090
  • It was gonna be a packed arena,
  • 00:38:49.140 --> 00:38:51.010
  • full of people.
  • 00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:52.040
  • - Tom: You were videoing it
  • 00:38:52.040 --> 00:38:52.240
  • too.
  • 00:38:52.240 --> 00:38:53.110
  • Weren't you taping that time?
  • 00:38:53.110 --> 00:38:54.020
  • - Steven: Yeah, we were taping.
  • 00:38:54.020 --> 00:38:55.000
  • It was all the Christian
  • 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:56.040
  • booksellers from all over the
  • 00:38:56.040 --> 00:38:57.260
  • country were all gathered there.
  • 00:38:57.260 --> 00:38:59.150
  • It was CBA, as we know Christian
  • 00:38:59.150 --> 00:39:01.000
  • Booksellers Association,
  • 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:02.110
  • so thousands of them there.
  • 00:39:02.110 --> 00:39:03.200
  • Everything hinging on this, you
  • 00:39:03.200 --> 00:39:05.110
  • know, and so I'd gone in 4 or 5
  • 00:39:05.110 --> 00:39:07.060
  • days ahead of time to rehearse
  • 00:39:07.060 --> 00:39:08.210
  • and get ready for this.
  • 00:39:08.210 --> 00:39:09.290
  • And this was right around
  • 00:39:09.290 --> 00:39:12.090
  • the time, again, that, you know,
  • 00:39:12.090 --> 00:39:14.210
  • Mary Beth had begun to really
  • 00:39:14.210 --> 00:39:16.030
  • realize that there was something
  • 00:39:16.030 --> 00:39:17.130
  • more than just, you know, the
  • 00:39:17.130 --> 00:39:18.260
  • sadness and the loneliness but
  • 00:39:18.260 --> 00:39:20.230
  • there was, you know, some things
  • 00:39:20.230 --> 00:39:22.000
  • that were involved in this that
  • 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.220
  • were, you know, chemically
  • 00:39:23.220 --> 00:39:25.140
  • going on.
  • 00:39:25.140 --> 00:39:26.210
  • And so we were trying to address
  • 00:39:26.210 --> 00:39:28.100
  • that and I was there doing this
  • 00:39:29.040 --> 00:39:32.040
  • rehearsal for this big concert
  • 00:39:32.040 --> 00:39:34.060
  • and I get a call from Mary Beth
  • 00:39:34.060 --> 00:39:37.000
  • in the middle of the night
  • 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:37.290
  • just saying, "I'm on my way to
  • 00:39:37.290 --> 00:39:39.090
  • the emergency room.
  • 00:39:39.090 --> 00:39:40.090
  • I don't know what's going on but
  • 00:39:40.090 --> 00:39:41.030
  • I'm--I feel like I'm dying.
  • 00:39:41.030 --> 00:39:43.010
  • And my--" fortunately, her
  • 00:39:43.010 --> 00:39:44.160
  • mother and her mom and dad,
  • 00:39:44.160 --> 00:39:46.170
  • amazing people, were visiting,
  • 00:39:46.170 --> 00:39:48.150
  • were staying with her for a few
  • 00:39:48.150 --> 00:39:50.100
  • days.
  • 00:39:50.100 --> 00:39:50.280
  • Rushed her to the hospital.
  • 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:51.280
  • She ended up having her gall
  • 00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:52.280
  • bladder removed and so it was,
  • 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.000
  • you know, not nearly as
  • 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:58.170
  • life-threatening as it seemed at
  • 00:39:58.170 --> 00:40:00.200
  • the time but, you know, that
  • 00:40:00.200 --> 00:40:02.050
  • everybody, you know, has
  • 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.130
  • experienced those kind of things
  • 00:40:06.130 --> 00:40:08.010
  • but when you're in the middle of
  • 00:40:08.010 --> 00:40:09.150
  • it, I'm thinking, "Should I go
  • 00:40:09.150 --> 00:40:10.130
  • home?
  • 00:40:10.130 --> 00:40:11.030
  • What am I doing here?
  • 00:40:11.030 --> 00:40:11.280
  • Why am I--God, you know, I'm--I
  • 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.120
  • really want this to be for your
  • 00:40:13.120 --> 00:40:15.090
  • glory and about you but my first
  • 00:40:15.090 --> 00:40:16.260
  • commitment is to my wife.
  • 00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:18.170
  • I need to just leave this.
  • 00:40:18.170 --> 00:40:19.210
  • Whatever happens, if it
  • 00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:21.020
  • crumbles, you know, and record
  • 00:40:21.020 --> 00:40:22.120
  • labels and all of the dollars
  • 00:40:22.120 --> 00:40:23.150
  • that they've spent on all this,
  • 00:40:23.150 --> 00:40:24.270
  • just forget it.
  • 00:40:24.270 --> 00:40:26.190
  • I've gotta go, love my wife."
  • 00:40:26.190 --> 00:40:28.140
  • - Tom: Were you--did you mean
  • 00:40:28.140 --> 00:40:29.060
  • that when you said that?
  • 00:40:29.060 --> 00:40:30.020
  • Did you really feel like you
  • 00:40:30.020 --> 00:40:31.020
  • could--you would have walked
  • 00:40:31.020 --> 00:40:31.260
  • away from that?
  • 00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:32.180
  • - Steven: I did.
  • 00:40:32.180 --> 00:40:33.230
  • I absolutely, before God.
  • 00:40:33.230 --> 00:40:35.170
  • God knows my heart and many
  • 00:40:35.170 --> 00:40:36.210
  • times I questioned it.
  • 00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:37.210
  • I go, "Well, did I mean it?"
  • 00:40:37.210 --> 00:40:39.030
  • 'Cause I called and said,
  • 00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:40.060
  • "I'm coming home."
  • 00:40:40.060 --> 00:40:40.240
  • And my wife insisted that
  • 00:40:40.240 --> 00:40:41.290
  • I didn't.
  • 00:40:41.290 --> 00:40:42.200
  • She said, "No, you stay there.
  • 00:40:42.200 --> 00:40:44.000
  • I got my mom here.
  • 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:45.010
  • God's gonna, you know, take care
  • 00:40:45.010 --> 00:40:46.130
  • of me."
  • 00:40:46.130 --> 00:40:47.000
  • And that amazing woman--
  • 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:48.150
  • - Tom: But then she came--
  • 00:40:48.150 --> 00:40:49.060
  • - Steven: Three days later,
  • 00:40:49.060 --> 00:40:52.040
  • yeah, came very slowly walking
  • 00:40:52.110 --> 00:40:55.110
  • into the Reunion Arena to say,
  • 00:40:55.110 --> 00:40:57.240
  • you know, "I'm here and
  • 00:40:57.240 --> 00:41:00.180
  • I'm gonna cheer you on."
  • 00:41:00.180 --> 00:41:02.160
  • And she had a videotape
  • 00:41:02.160 --> 00:41:04.110
  • in her hand, back in
  • 00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:06.020
  • the VHS days, and said, "Hey,
  • 00:41:06.020 --> 00:41:07.200
  • they videotaped my surgery.
  • 00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:09.190
  • You wanna see my gallbladder?"
  • 00:41:09.190 --> 00:41:11.060
  • And so we sat down and watched.
  • 00:41:11.060 --> 00:41:12.120
  • And that is the amazing,
  • 00:41:12.120 --> 00:41:15.070
  • incredible woman.
  • 00:41:15.070 --> 00:41:17.010
  • And that is also the reason and
  • 00:41:17.010 --> 00:41:18.200
  • I'll try to get through this.
  • 00:41:18.200 --> 00:41:21.040
  • Those are the reasons why,
  • 00:41:21.040 --> 00:41:23.160
  • you know, because of that
  • 00:41:23.160 --> 00:41:25.130
  • determination to say, "We, by
  • 00:41:25.130 --> 00:41:28.100
  • God's grace, we will walk this
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  • journey out and love each other
  • 00:41:30.220 --> 00:41:33.210
  • and walk it out hand in hand
  • 00:41:33.230 --> 00:41:36.230
  • with battle scars and, you know,
  • 00:41:37.240 --> 00:41:40.240
  • surgery scars and everything
  • 00:41:40.240 --> 00:41:42.190
  • else, to his glory,
  • 00:41:42.190 --> 00:41:44.140
  • only by his grace."
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  • And I say that and the emotion
  • 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.280
  • in that is because I
  • 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.280
  • know that there are many people
  • 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.190
  • that are watching and thinking,
  • 00:41:53.190 --> 00:41:56.140
  • you know, "You don't know
  • 00:41:56.140 --> 00:41:58.170
  • how hard it is.
  • 00:41:58.170 --> 00:42:01.060
  • You don't know how lonely
  • 00:42:01.060 --> 00:42:02.140
  • I feel.
  • 00:42:02.140 --> 00:42:03.060
  • You don't know, you know, how
  • 00:42:03.060 --> 00:42:05.060
  • broken we are, our marriage is."
  • 00:42:05.150 --> 00:42:08.150
  • And I'm sitting here as one
  • 00:42:09.100 --> 00:42:12.100
  • who you might look at from
  • 00:42:12.100 --> 00:42:14.090
  • a distance and it's a lot of
  • 00:42:14.090 --> 00:42:15.080
  • the reason why I tell my story
  • 00:42:15.080 --> 00:42:17.200
  • in the book because you might be
  • 00:42:17.200 --> 00:42:18.160
  • able to say, "Well, if I had the
  • 00:42:18.160 --> 00:42:19.240
  • marriage he had, if we just had
  • 00:42:19.240 --> 00:42:21.250
  • what they have, if I could write
  • 00:42:21.250 --> 00:42:23.150
  • songs, my husband could write
  • 00:42:23.150 --> 00:42:24.280
  • songs for me, I've
  • 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.110
  • had--unfortunately, women have
  • 00:42:26.110 --> 00:42:28.060
  • said that to my wife.
  • 00:42:28.060 --> 00:42:29.140
  • "If I just had a husband like
  • 00:42:29.140 --> 00:42:30.130
  • your husband, who would write
  • 00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:31.190
  • songs for me," and my wife said,
  • 00:42:31.190 --> 00:42:32.270
  • "Well, you want him?
  • 00:42:32.270 --> 00:42:33.230
  • I'll give him to you right now.
  • 00:42:33.230 --> 00:42:36.010
  • I'll trade."
  • 00:42:36.010 --> 00:42:37.030
  • 'Cause those moments.
  • 00:42:37.030 --> 00:42:38.250
  • But we have experienced
  • 00:42:38.260 --> 00:42:41.260
  • that ache and that brokenness.
  • 00:42:42.070 --> 00:42:45.070
  • I mean, laying beside each other
  • 00:42:45.070 --> 00:42:47.190
  • in the bed feeling like we are
  • 00:42:47.190 --> 00:42:49.120
  • 1.000 miles apart, like,
  • 00:42:49.120 --> 00:42:51.220
  • there's no way that we're gonna
  • 00:42:51.220 --> 00:42:54.020
  • survive this.
  • 00:42:54.020 --> 00:42:56.010
  • And especially in--even in
  • 00:42:56.010 --> 00:42:57.200
  • the more recent years as we walk
  • 00:42:57.200 --> 00:42:59.290
  • through very dark, dark days.
  • 00:42:59.290 --> 00:43:02.010
  • But I'm sitting here,
  • 00:43:02.010 --> 00:43:04.060
  • sharing my story because God
  • 00:43:04.060 --> 00:43:06.180
  • has been faithful.
  • 00:43:06.180 --> 00:43:08.070
  • He is medicine and he will meet
  • 00:43:08.070 --> 00:43:10.070
  • every one of us in time.
  • 00:43:10.070 --> 00:43:11.190
  • - Tom: Steven, I'm grateful.
  • 00:43:11.190 --> 00:43:13.190
  • [audience applauding]
  • 00:43:16.090 --> 00:43:19.090
  • How many years have
  • 00:43:19.090 --> 00:43:20.010
  • you been married?
  • 00:43:20.010 --> 00:43:20.290
  • - Steven: Thirty-two.
  • 00:43:20.290 --> 00:43:21.270
  • - Tom: Thirty-two.
  • 00:43:21.270 --> 00:43:22.200
  • I hit 40 this year.
  • 00:43:22.200 --> 00:43:23.260
  • - Steven: Yes, way to go.
  • 00:43:23.260 --> 00:43:25.060
  • do this.
  • 00:43:28.070 --> 00:43:29.190
  • In that part of the book, you
  • 00:43:29.190 --> 00:43:32.070
  • talk about how she actually
  • 00:43:32.070 --> 00:43:35.010
  • collapses and just starts
  • 00:43:35.030 --> 00:43:38.030
  • to cry.
  • 00:43:38.030 --> 00:43:38.240
  • And you ended up picking her up
  • 00:43:38.240 --> 00:43:40.100
  • and carrying her as she cried.
  • 00:43:40.100 --> 00:43:42.270
  • And you're getting ready to
  • 00:43:42.270 --> 00:43:43.240
  • leave on tour again and how
  • 00:43:43.240 --> 00:43:45.140
  • broken that was but before
  • 00:43:45.140 --> 00:43:47.060
  • you come out of this,
  • 00:43:47.060 --> 00:43:48.190
  • I want you to do this.
  • 00:43:48.190 --> 00:43:49.210
  • There is a lot of people that
  • 00:43:49.210 --> 00:43:50.200
  • have been touched by what you
  • 00:43:50.200 --> 00:43:51.230
  • just shared about the marriage
  • 00:43:51.230 --> 00:43:52.200
  • and they're sitting there
  • 00:43:52.200 --> 00:43:53.120
  • saying, "My marriage is
  • 00:43:53.120 --> 00:43:54.190
  • a disaster.
  • 00:43:54.190 --> 00:43:55.230
  • I don't know how to
  • 00:43:55.230 --> 00:43:57.060
  • continue this."
  • 00:43:57.060 --> 00:43:57.240
  • Would you just take a moment
  • 00:43:57.240 --> 00:43:59.190
  • and just pray for those people?
  • 00:43:59.190 --> 00:44:01.090
  • Just pray for 'em right now.
  • 00:44:01.090 --> 00:44:02.170
  • - Steven: Yes, yeah, I would
  • 00:44:02.170 --> 00:44:03.290
  • love to.
  • 00:44:03.290 --> 00:44:05.000
  • Let me just--let me just pray
  • 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:06.140
  • for you.
  • 00:44:06.140 --> 00:44:08.150
  • - Tom: Thank you, Jesus.
  • 00:44:08.150 --> 00:44:11.120
  • - Steven: Father, first of all
  • 00:44:12.140 --> 00:44:15.140
  • thank you that you are near
  • 00:44:15.140 --> 00:44:17.180
  • to the broken-hearted.
  • 00:44:19.270 --> 00:44:22.270
  • So if there is anyone watching
  • 00:44:22.270 --> 00:44:25.110
  • that is broken and their
  • 00:44:27.080 --> 00:44:30.080
  • heart's broken then, God,
  • 00:44:30.080 --> 00:44:32.100
  • you are right there.
  • 00:44:32.100 --> 00:44:34.220
  • Right now, you're with them.
  • 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.280
  • You're beside them.
  • 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.100
  • You're near.
  • 00:44:39.100 --> 00:44:40.050
  • You promised that,
  • 00:44:40.050 --> 00:44:41.040
  • that you would be near
  • 00:44:41.040 --> 00:44:42.080
  • to the broken-hearted.
  • 00:44:42.080 --> 00:44:45.030
  • God, there is nothing we know
  • 00:44:46.240 --> 00:44:49.240
  • in this life as we know it right
  • 00:44:50.200 --> 00:44:53.200
  • now, this side of heaven, that
  • 00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:56.120
  • reflects more of your beauty and
  • 00:44:56.120 --> 00:44:58.140
  • your glory than marriage.
  • 00:44:58.140 --> 00:45:01.150
  • And it is attacked in so many
  • 00:45:02.140 --> 00:45:05.140
  • ways on so many levels.
  • 00:45:05.160 --> 00:45:08.160
  • And so, God, right now I pray
  • 00:45:08.190 --> 00:45:11.190
  • for friends of mine who might be
  • 00:45:11.190 --> 00:45:14.010
  • watching that are just
  • 00:45:14.010 --> 00:45:16.120
  • wondering if there's any hope
  • 00:45:16.120 --> 00:45:18.160
  • for them, that are feeling very
  • 00:45:18.160 --> 00:45:20.130
  • hopeless.
  • 00:45:20.130 --> 00:45:22.120
  • God, I know you and I know how
  • 00:45:22.120 --> 00:45:25.010
  • much I felt that, how much my
  • 00:45:25.110 --> 00:45:28.110
  • wife and I have felt that.
  • 00:45:28.110 --> 00:45:30.030
  • And I wouldn't be praying this
  • 00:45:30.030 --> 00:45:32.130
  • prayer and able to pray this
  • 00:45:32.130 --> 00:45:33.240
  • prayer apart from your grace,
  • 00:45:33.240 --> 00:45:36.200
  • all and only by your grace.
  • 00:45:36.200 --> 00:45:38.220
  • Over and over again, you have
  • 00:45:38.220 --> 00:45:41.190
  • done what seemed impossible in
  • 00:45:41.230 --> 00:45:44.230
  • my own life, in my own marriage.
  • 00:45:44.230 --> 00:45:46.210
  • So I pray for my friends now
  • 00:45:46.210 --> 00:45:47.230
  • that are watching, that are
  • 00:45:47.230 --> 00:45:48.280
  • feeling that.
  • 00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:50.000
  • Pray for your healing,
  • 00:45:50.010 --> 00:45:53.010
  • comforting presence.
  • 00:45:53.160 --> 00:45:56.160
  • Peaceful presence to come into
  • 00:45:56.160 --> 00:45:58.220
  • their heart and give them hope
  • 00:45:58.220 --> 00:46:00.030
  • that seems so lost, for them
  • 00:46:00.070 --> 00:46:03.070
  • to know that you are near, that
  • 00:46:03.070 --> 00:46:05.210
  • you're with them to bring
  • 00:46:05.210 --> 00:46:08.030
  • healing to marriages, God, even
  • 00:46:08.030 --> 00:46:09.250
  • through this program, to just
  • 00:46:09.250 --> 00:46:11.140
  • breathe hope and life back into
  • 00:46:11.140 --> 00:46:13.240
  • marriages that seemed
  • 00:46:13.240 --> 00:46:15.240
  • to be lost.
  • 00:46:15.240 --> 00:46:17.260
  • And God, I thank you for that.
  • 00:46:17.260 --> 00:46:20.140
  • I thank you that you're gonna do
  • 00:46:20.140 --> 00:46:21.140
  • that.
  • 00:46:21.140 --> 00:46:22.030
  • It's not gonna be easy.
  • 00:46:22.030 --> 00:46:23.030
  • The road isn't easy after that
  • 00:46:23.030 --> 00:46:24.270
  • moment.
  • 00:46:24.270 --> 00:46:26.220
  • But God, you have been faithful,
  • 00:46:26.220 --> 00:46:28.180
  • you will be faithful.
  • 00:46:28.180 --> 00:46:29.240
  • So bring healing and hope, Lord,
  • 00:46:29.240 --> 00:46:32.100
  • to marriages all over the world
  • 00:46:32.190 --> 00:46:35.190
  • that are right now praying this
  • 00:46:35.190 --> 00:46:37.160
  • prayer with us.
  • 00:46:37.160 --> 00:46:38.230
  • We thank you for it.
  • 00:46:38.230 --> 00:46:39.240
  • Thank you in Jesus' name, amen.
  • 00:46:40.200 --> 00:46:43.200
  • - Tom: Thanks, Steven.
  • 00:46:45.050 --> 00:46:48.050
  • We have prayer counselors.
  • 00:46:48.050 --> 00:46:49.230
  • Just call that--call that number
  • 00:46:49.230 --> 00:46:51.180
  • on the bottom of your screen for
  • 00:46:51.180 --> 00:46:52.150
  • prayer right now.
  • 00:46:52.150 --> 00:46:53.100
  • We wanna pray with you and just
  • 00:46:53.100 --> 00:46:54.200
  • agree with you for your
  • 00:46:54.200 --> 00:46:55.150
  • marriage.
  • 00:46:55.150 --> 00:46:56.070
  • It's worth fighting for.
  • 00:46:56.070 --> 00:46:57.050
  • Heaven's real.
  • 00:46:57.050 --> 00:46:58.290
  • The life that we're living for
  • 00:46:58.290 --> 00:47:00.080
  • Jesus is real.
  • 00:47:00.080 --> 00:47:01.190
  • And that marriage can be
  • 00:47:01.190 --> 00:47:02.280
  • something better.
  • 00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.080
  • Do not give up on that.
  • 00:47:04.080 --> 00:47:05.240
  • Call that number right now and
  • 00:47:05.240 --> 00:47:06.280
  • let someone pray with you.
  • 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.120
  • You know, Steven, you've had so
  • 00:47:08.120 --> 00:47:09.290
  • many amazing highlights in your
  • 00:47:09.290 --> 00:47:12.090
  • career.
  • 00:47:12.090 --> 00:47:13.120
  • It's so hard, I mean, 30 years,
  • 00:47:13.120 --> 00:47:15.160
  • and I mean, you've graced the
  • 00:47:15.160 --> 00:47:17.220
  • greatest, the biggest, the best
  • 00:47:17.220 --> 00:47:18.270
  • stages in the world, the best
  • 00:47:18.270 --> 00:47:20.130
  • recording studios.
  • 00:47:20.130 --> 00:47:22.120
  • You've been all of 'em.
  • 00:47:22.120 --> 00:47:23.140
  • In fact, I think the first
  • 00:47:23.140 --> 00:47:25.000
  • chapter's called,
  • 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:26.230
  • "Carnegie Hall, Y'all."
  • 00:47:26.230 --> 00:47:28.140
  • - Steven: That's right.
  • 00:47:28.140 --> 00:47:29.100
  • - Tom: And you talk about what
  • 00:47:29.100 --> 00:47:30.200
  • an amazing experience that was.
  • 00:47:30.200 --> 00:47:32.100
  • But there's another place that
  • 00:47:32.100 --> 00:47:33.200
  • you also visited and recorded
  • 00:47:33.200 --> 00:47:35.240
  • in.
  • 00:47:35.240 --> 00:47:37.210
  • Abbey Road, let's take a peek at
  • 00:47:37.210 --> 00:47:39.090
  • that.
  • 00:47:39.090 --> 00:47:40.000
  • - Steven: Yes!
  • 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.290
  • - Steven: I think the
  • 00:47:42.290 --> 00:47:44.080
  • experience here is one that will
  • 00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:46.160
  • take a few days or weeks or
  • 00:47:46.160 --> 00:47:49.010
  • months or years to fully
  • 00:47:49.010 --> 00:47:50.210
  • soak in.
  • 00:47:53.110 --> 00:47:56.110
  • It was really special to get to
  • 00:47:56.110 --> 00:47:58.050
  • go to Abbey Road Studios in
  • 00:47:58.050 --> 00:47:59.290
  • London, England, and do some
  • 00:47:59.290 --> 00:48:02.010
  • recording there with some of my
  • 00:48:02.010 --> 00:48:03.110
  • best friends in the world who
  • 00:48:03.110 --> 00:48:04.220
  • have been a big part of the most
  • 00:48:04.220 --> 00:48:06.080
  • recent chapter in my musical
  • 00:48:06.080 --> 00:48:07.220
  • history, the "Signs of Life"
  • 00:48:07.220 --> 00:48:09.090
  • tour.
  • 00:48:09.170 --> 00:48:12.170
  • One of the biggest parts
  • 00:48:12.170 --> 00:48:14.040
  • of growth in my musical
  • 00:48:14.090 --> 00:48:17.090
  • life in the context of what's
  • 00:48:17.090 --> 00:48:19.160
  • happened in the last 10 years
  • 00:48:19.160 --> 00:48:21.150
  • for me was going from the point
  • 00:48:21.150 --> 00:48:23.010
  • of playing with my guitar in
  • 00:48:23.010 --> 00:48:24.220
  • back-up tracks with a cassette
  • 00:48:24.220 --> 00:48:26.230
  • deck to a band, to see some of
  • 00:48:26.260 --> 00:48:29.260
  • my guys in particular in my band
  • 00:48:29.260 --> 00:48:31.200
  • just, you know, be like, kissing
  • 00:48:31.200 --> 00:48:33.130
  • the floor and things, you know?
  • 00:48:33.130 --> 00:48:35.040
  • It's been pretty cool.
  • 00:48:35.040 --> 00:48:36.180
  • So I think, just that's probably
  • 00:48:36.180 --> 00:48:37.240
  • been what's as special to me
  • 00:48:37.240 --> 00:48:39.200
  • about this experience
  • 00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:40.210
  • as anything.
  • 00:48:40.210 --> 00:48:42.290
  • Just getting to experience it
  • 00:48:42.290 --> 00:48:44.020
  • with my friends.
  • 00:48:44.020 --> 00:48:45.070
  • And I had flown all day and all
  • 00:48:45.070 --> 00:48:46.210
  • night and came in and decide,
  • 00:48:46.210 --> 00:48:49.180
  • "Well, we've got sounds up.
  • 00:48:49.180 --> 00:48:51.090
  • We kind of like what we're
  • 00:48:51.090 --> 00:48:53.010
  • hearing.
  • 00:48:53.010 --> 00:48:53.210
  • Let's go ahead and run through
  • 00:48:53.210 --> 00:48:54.130
  • something.
  • 00:48:54.130 --> 00:48:55.030
  • And why don't we roll tape while
  • 00:48:55.030 --> 00:48:56.030
  • we're at it?"
  • 00:48:56.030 --> 00:48:57.010
  • And we weren't even planning on
  • 00:48:57.010 --> 00:48:57.230
  • getting anything.
  • 00:48:57.230 --> 00:48:58.220
  • We were just gonna go home and
  • 00:48:58.220 --> 00:48:59.190
  • come back and start the next
  • 00:48:59.190 --> 00:49:00.140
  • day.
  • 00:49:00.140 --> 00:49:01.100
  • And before we knew it, we had
  • 00:49:01.100 --> 00:49:02.150
  • a song down.
  • 00:49:02.150 --> 00:49:03.220
  • At that point it really--I had
  • 00:49:03.220 --> 00:49:04.290
  • a sense that this was something
  • 00:49:04.290 --> 00:49:06.110
  • God had appointed and because it
  • 00:49:06.110 --> 00:49:08.090
  • really--I'd been a part of too
  • 00:49:08.090 --> 00:49:10.270
  • many recording sessions and too
  • 00:49:10.270 --> 00:49:12.210
  • many things in my 10 years that
  • 00:49:12.210 --> 00:49:13.280
  • haven't gone that well and that
  • 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.240
  • easily.
  • 00:49:15.240 --> 00:49:18.080
  • And that you've had to fight
  • 00:49:18.080 --> 00:49:19.050
  • tooth and nail to get.
  • 00:49:19.050 --> 00:49:20.030
  • And this one fell into place in
  • 00:49:20.030 --> 00:49:22.100
  • a way that we all kind were
  • 00:49:22.100 --> 00:49:23.230
  • looking at each other thinking,
  • 00:49:23.230 --> 00:49:24.290
  • "Yeah, this is something
  • 00:49:24.290 --> 00:49:26.010
  • really special."
  • 00:49:26.010 --> 00:49:28.230
  • Lord of the dance, yeah.
  • 00:49:33.040 --> 00:49:36.040
  • Lord of the dance, yeah.
  • 00:49:36.040 --> 00:49:38.150
  • - Tom: I'm here with
  • 00:49:39.250 --> 00:49:42.250
  • Steven Curtis Chapman.
  • 00:49:42.250 --> 00:49:44.010
  • We are doing our best to cover
  • 00:49:44.010 --> 00:49:45.150
  • 30 years of an amazing, amazing
  • 00:49:45.150 --> 00:49:48.120
  • life and career and we're doing
  • 00:49:48.120 --> 00:49:51.030
  • that and he's covered that very
  • 00:49:51.030 --> 00:49:53.010
  • well in his new book, "Between
  • 00:49:53.010 --> 00:49:54.070
  • And I want you to call.
  • 00:49:56.090 --> 00:49:57.130
  • That book's available right now
  • 00:49:57.130 --> 00:49:58.250
  • in bookstores everywhere.
  • 00:49:58.250 --> 00:50:00.020
  • You can call that number on
  • 00:50:00.020 --> 00:50:01.160
  • the bottom of your screen and we
  • 00:50:01.160 --> 00:50:03.000
  • will send that book to
  • 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:04.080
  • you for your gift of any amount.
  • 00:50:04.080 --> 00:50:05.290
  • I think it would just be a crime
  • 00:50:05.290 --> 00:50:07.180
  • if I brought
  • 00:50:07.180 --> 00:50:08.260
  • Steven Curtis Chapman here and
  • 00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:10.170
  • he didn't sing for us.
  • 00:50:10.170 --> 00:50:11.250
  • So Steven, could we ask you to
  • 00:50:11.250 --> 00:50:12.290
  • do another song for us?
  • 00:50:12.290 --> 00:50:14.030
  • - Steven: All right, all right,
  • 00:50:14.030 --> 00:50:15.070
  • yes, yes, I will.
  • 00:50:15.070 --> 00:50:16.050
  • I will but just a little bit of
  • 00:50:16.050 --> 00:50:17.030
  • this one, yeah.
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  • a very appropriate one as we
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  • were talking about the journey
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  • because here's the beautiful
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  • thing about me sharing , you
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  • know, my 30-year journey of my
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  • career, my 54-year journey of
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  • life, and even in the darkest
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  • moments as I share about the
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  • most hopeful reality is to know
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  • that the story is just so far
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  • from over.
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  • We're just in, like, the first,
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  • you know, page, the first line
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  • of the first page of the epic
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  • story that has--God has
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  • for all of our lives.
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  • I really believe that.
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  • More convinced of that now
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  • than ever, even this far
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  • into my journey.
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  • That the story is so far from
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  • over.
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  • That God is working all of these
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  • things together for some thing
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  • so amazing, for his glory,
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  • for our good.
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  • And so songs about journey have
  • 00:51:10.250 --> 00:51:13.220
  • been songs I've thought a lot
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  • about and I wrote this one about
  • 00:51:15.090 --> 00:51:17.070
  • the time we were doing that
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  • video at Abbey Road and having
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  • that amazing experience.
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  • And it's even more special to
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  • me now.
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  • me now.
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  • To all the travelers,
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  • pilgrims longing for a home,
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  • from one who's walked
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  • with you on this journey
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  • called life's road.
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  • It is a long
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  • and winding road.
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  • From one who's seen the
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  • view, and dreamt of staying
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  • on the mountains high and
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  • one who's cried like you,
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  • wanting so much just
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  • to lay down and die.
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  • I offer this.
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  • We must remember this.
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  • We are not home yet,
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  • we are not home yet.
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  • So keep on looking ahead,
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  • let your heart not forget
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  • we are not home yet,
  • 00:52:51.160 --> 00:52:54.160
  • we are not home yet.
  • 00:52:56.050 --> 00:52:59.050
  • So keep on looking ahead,
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  • let your heart not forget
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  • we are not home yet.
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  • Oh, I know there'll
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  • be a moment,
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  • I know there'll come a day
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  • when we will see our Savior
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  • and fall in his embrace.
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  • So let us not grow weary
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  • or too content to stay
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  • 'cause we are not home yet.
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  • We are not home yet.
  • 00:53:28.200 --> 00:53:31.200
  • So keep on looking ahead,
  • 00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:34.110
  • let your heart not forget
  • 00:53:34.110 --> 00:53:36.180
  • we are not home yet,
  • 00:53:37.240 --> 00:53:40.240
  • we are not home yet.
  • 00:53:42.170 --> 00:53:45.170
  • So keep on looking ahead,
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  • let your heart not forget
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  • we are not home yet.
  • 00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:01.000
  • So let us journey on.
  • 00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:06.280
  • 'Cause we are not home yet
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  • [audience applauding]
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  • - Steven: Thank you.
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  • - Tom: Wow, you know, there are
  • 00:54:22.140 --> 00:54:24.160
  • know, when--and reading through
  • 00:54:27.110 --> 00:54:28.240
  • the book, Steven, I was moved
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  • by a lot of things.
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  • I laughed out loud at a lot
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  • of things.
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  • I would do an injustice to the
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  • audience if I did not at least
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  • show them a picture of you
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  • - Tom: Can we bring up that
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  • picture for just a moment?
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  • Can you all see this?
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  • - Steven: There's a young 'un.
  • 00:54:46.220 --> 00:54:47.150
  • There's a young 'un.
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  • - Tom: Grand Ole Opry.
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  • An amazing thing that
  • 00:54:51.050 --> 00:54:52.180
  • you're gonna find out as you
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  • happened.
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  • - Steven: Yeah, something
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  • awful happened.
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  • I was--I used to work.
  • 00:55:00.220 --> 00:55:02.090
  • My first professional job, I
  • 00:55:02.090 --> 00:55:04.260
  • guess you'd say, was working in
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  • a park, amusement park called
  • 00:55:06.100 --> 00:55:08.100
  • Opryland USA in Nashville.
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  • It's no longer there but I was
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  • working there in the park and
  • 00:55:13.210 --> 00:55:14.210
  • occasionally they would
  • 00:55:14.210 --> 00:55:15.290
  • pick kids out of the shows.
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  • I was in a country music show
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  • where I sang George Jones' hit
  • 00:55:19.140 --> 00:55:22.130
  • song, "He Stopped Loving Her
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  • Today."
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  • And I was invited to
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  • come and sing on a Saturday
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  • matinee with Roy Acuff standing
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  • by my side to sing,
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  • "He Stopped Loving Her Today."
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  • And I sang the song
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  • all the way through.
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  • My mom's there, my dad's there.
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  • My grandmother's there.
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  • My brother Herbie's there,
  • 00:55:38.010 --> 00:55:38.290
  • cheering me on.
  • 00:55:38.290 --> 00:55:40.000
  • And the room's full and I'm just
  • 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:41.080
  • thinking, "I cannot believe
  • 00:55:41.080 --> 00:55:42.200
  • I'm on the Grand Ole Opry."
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  • And I sing the whole song,
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  • I get through it, made it.
  • 00:55:45.250 --> 00:55:47.070
  • Roy Acuff walks out.
  • 00:55:47.070 --> 00:55:48.160
  • He says, "Steve, I think they
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  • like it.
  • 00:55:49.160 --> 00:55:50.060
  • Sing another chorus.
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  • Give 'em an encore." And I--not
  • 00:55:51.010 --> 00:55:52.220
  • kidding you, I sang the first
  • 00:55:52.220 --> 00:55:55.040
  • line and then my mind went
  • 00:55:55.040 --> 00:55:56.190
  • completely blank.
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  • And I stood there in front of
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  • God and everybody and Roy Acuff
  • 00:55:59.240 --> 00:56:02.020
  • and my parents.
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  • And just--I didn't know what
  • 00:56:03.050 --> 00:56:04.230
  • the words were.
  • 00:56:04.230 --> 00:56:05.250
  • And I just sang the song.
  • 00:56:05.250 --> 00:56:06.260
  • So that was just ridiculous
  • 00:56:06.260 --> 00:56:08.190
  • and I thought,
  • 00:56:08.190 --> 00:56:09.170
  • "That's the end of my career.
  • 00:56:09.170 --> 00:56:11.200
  • It'll never happen."
  • 00:56:11.200 --> 00:56:12.230
  • So let that be an encouragement
  • 00:56:12.230 --> 00:56:14.110
  • to you, you know,
  • 00:56:14.110 --> 00:56:15.100
  • wherever you are, that
  • 00:56:15.100 --> 00:56:16.080
  • don't matter how bad you blow
  • 00:56:16.080 --> 00:56:17.170
  • it, God can redeem even
  • 00:56:17.170 --> 00:56:19.160
  • those things.
  • 00:56:19.160 --> 00:56:20.120
  • And somehow, I lived to
  • 00:56:20.120 --> 00:56:22.020
  • survive--lived to tell.
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  • - Tom: Yes, you have.
  • 00:56:23.260 --> 00:56:25.040
  • The book, "Between Heaven & the
  • 00:56:25.040 --> 00:56:27.280
  • Real World."
  • 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.030
  • This covers a lot
  • 00:56:29.030 --> 00:56:30.140
  • more than 30 years of a life.
  • 00:56:30.140 --> 00:56:32.090
  • This covers a journey walking
  • 00:56:32.090 --> 00:56:34.030
  • hand in hand with God, all
  • 00:56:34.030 --> 00:56:36.230
  • the struggles and the things
  • 00:56:36.230 --> 00:56:37.210
  • in between.
  • 00:56:37.210 --> 00:56:38.180
  • And this book is available today
  • 00:56:38.180 --> 00:56:39.210
  • at bookstores everywhere.
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  • You can call that number on the
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  • bottom of your screen right now
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  • and we'll send this book to you
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  • for your gift of any amount.
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  • Steven, as we shared earlier,
  • 00:56:47.190 --> 00:56:49.210
  • you talked about being a fixer.
  • 00:56:50.070 --> 00:56:53.070
  • And the thing that I would like
  • 00:56:53.070 --> 00:56:53.290
  • everyone to know is that we
  • 00:56:53.290 --> 00:56:55.130
  • don't have the ability to fix
  • 00:56:55.130 --> 00:56:57.070
  • anything within ourselves.
  • 00:56:57.070 --> 00:56:58.240
  • It's God who's the fixer.
  • 00:56:58.240 --> 00:57:00.280
  • God's the only one that can come
  • 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.080
  • and fix and put these broken
  • 00:57:02.080 --> 00:57:04.080
  • pieces together and broken lives
  • 00:57:04.080 --> 00:57:05.230
  • together.
  • 00:57:05.230 --> 00:57:06.210
  • So for those of you at home
  • 00:57:06.210 --> 00:57:08.070
  • right now for those of you who
  • 00:57:08.070 --> 00:57:09.130
  • are struggling, you're hurting,
  • 00:57:09.130 --> 00:57:10.220
  • you're broken, I want you just
  • 00:57:10.220 --> 00:57:12.080
  • to take a moment and let me pray
  • 00:57:12.080 --> 00:57:13.140
  • for you and for those of you
  • 00:57:13.140 --> 00:57:15.000
  • that have never made
  • 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.020
  • Jesus Christ
  • 00:57:16.020 --> 00:57:16.190
  • Lord of your life before,
  • 00:57:16.190 --> 00:57:17.240
  • would you consider doing that
  • 00:57:17.240 --> 00:57:19.160
  • right now, knowing that he holds
  • 00:57:19.160 --> 00:57:21.160
  • the missing pieces to bring your
  • 00:57:21.160 --> 00:57:23.090
  • life together.
  • 00:57:23.090 --> 00:57:24.070
  • Let me pray with you.
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  • Lord Jesus, I ask right now--and
  • 00:57:25.120 --> 00:57:27.120
  • in fact, just pray this prayer
  • 00:57:27.120 --> 00:57:28.200
  • after me.
  • 00:57:28.200 --> 00:57:29.060
  • Lord, Lord Jesus,
  • 00:57:29.060 --> 00:57:31.000
  • come into my heart.
  • 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:32.160
  • Put together the broken pieces.
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  • And let me live for you.
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  • Jesus, I thank you that you died
  • 00:57:39.180 --> 00:57:41.200
  • for me.
  • 00:57:41.200 --> 00:57:42.220
  • I received your gift of eternal
  • 00:57:42.220 --> 00:57:44.250
  • life now and I give you thanks
  • 00:57:44.250 --> 00:57:47.020
  • for it, in Jesus' name, amen.
  • 00:57:47.020 --> 00:57:50.020
  • - Steven: Amen.
  • 00:57:50.020 --> 00:57:50.250
  • - Tom: amen, if you prayed
  • 00:57:50.250 --> 00:57:51.150
  • that prayer we want you to call
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  • that number on your screen.
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  • Thanks for joining us.
  • 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.060
  • Steven Curtis Chapman, "Between
  • 00:57:55.060 --> 00:57:56.240
  • Heaven & the Real World."
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  • Go get it.
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  • Go get it.
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