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Praise | Sheila Walsh | October 15, 2019

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  • - MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON
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  • "PRAISE," FROM DALLAS,
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  • AUTHOR, SPEAKER,
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  • AND BIBLE TEACHER,
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  • SHEILA WALSH.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - ANNOUNCER: AND NOW
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  • - MAX LUCADO: WELL, GOOD
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  • EVENING, EVERYBODY.
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  • WE'RE SO GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE.
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  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
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  • SO GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
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  • I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU'RE A PART
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  • OF THIS SPECIAL, SPECIAL TIME
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  • THAT WE HAVE TO BE TOGETHER.
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  • YOU KNOW GOD LOVES YOU?
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  • HE LOVES YOU, AND HE KNEW YOU
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  • BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, AND HE HAS
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  • GREAT PLANS FOR YOU IN THIS
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  • LIFE, AND HE HAS PLANS FOR YA IN
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  • THE NEXT LIFE, THAT ARE OUT OF
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  • THIS WORLD.
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  • WE'RE GONNA BE TALKIN' ABOUT
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  • GOD'S VISION FOR YOU AND HOW
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  • MUCH HE LOVES YOU, AND I'M SO
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  • THANKFUL TO BE SHARING THIS HOUR
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  • WITH ONE OF MY SPECIAL FRIENDS,
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  • ONE OF THE GREATEST
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  • COMMUNICATORS OF OUR DAY.
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  • IT'S A SPECIAL HONOR FOR ME TO
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  • HAVE THIS TIME WITH HER.
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  • TAKE A LOOK AT THIS VIDEO, AND
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  • YOU'LL SEE WHAT I MEAN.
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: SHEILA
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  • WALSH, A SCOTTISH-BORN
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  • EVANGELIST WHO LOVES TO TEACH
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  • GOD'S WORD AND SHARE HOW HE MET
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  • HER AT HER LOWEST POINT AND
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  • LIFTED HER UP AGAIN.
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  • HER MESSAGE IS SIMPLE:
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  • GOD IS FOR YOU.
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  • - SHEILA WALSH: THERE'S NOTHING
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  • YOU'VE EVER DONE, NOTHING YOU'VE
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  • EVER SAID, NO PLACE YOU'VE EVER
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  • GONE, EVEN IF IT WAS LAST NIGHT,
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  • THAT HAS REMOVED YOU FROM THE
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  • POWER OF THE LOVE OF GOD.
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  • - ANNOUNCER: SHEILA, AN AVID
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  • WRITER, HAS AUTHORED SEVERAL
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  • BOOKS WITH MORE THAN FIVE
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  • MILLION IN PRINT, INCLUDING
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  • "IT'S OKAY NOT TO BE OKAY:
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  • MOVING FORWARD
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  • ONE DAY AT A TIME."
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  • SHE'S ALSO THE COHOST OF
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  • THE TELEVISION PROGRAM
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  • "LIFE TODAY,"
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  • WITH OVER 300 MILLION
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  • VIEWERS DAILY.
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  • SHEILA LOVES TO SUPPORT MISSIONS
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  • THAT PROVIDE FOOD, MEDICAL
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  • SUPPORT, AND PROTECTION FROM
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  • SEXUAL SLAVERY FOR THOSE
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  • IN NEED.
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  • FOR HER, IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY
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  • OF SHARING THE LOVE OF GOD.
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  • - SHEILA: SO NICE TO BE WITH
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  • YOU, MAX.
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  • [APPLAUSE]
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  • - MAX: SHEILA WALSH, EVERYBODY.
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  • SHEILA WALSH.
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  • IT IS REALLY A TREAT TO BE WITH
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  • YOU, SHEILA.
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  • - SHEILA: WE'VE BEEN FRIENDS
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  • FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
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  • - MAX: A LONG TIME, LONG TIME.
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  • I'M A LOT OLDER THAN YOU.
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  • - SHEILA: MAYBE ABOUT ONE YEAR.
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  • - MAX: WELL, BUT WE HAVE BEEN
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  • FRIENDS A LONG TIME.
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  • WE WERE TRYING TO RECALL.
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  • I THINK IT'S BACK IN THE EARLY
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  • '90s WHEN WE FIRST CONNECTED.
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  • - SHEILA: YEAH, WHILE I WAS
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  • AND I WAS THERE FROM
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  • 1987 TO 1992.
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  • - MAX: RIGHT.
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  • - SHEILA: SO, I MEAN, I'D READ
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  • YOUR BOOKS BEFORE THEN,
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  • OBVIOUSLY, BUT I THINK THAT WAS
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  • THE FIRST TIME I GOT
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  • - MAX: DO YOU RECALL, BACK IN
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  • THE EARLY '90s, THERE WAS A
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  • LITTLE CHRISTMAS TOUR CALLED THE
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  • "YOUNG MESSIAH TOUR"?
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  • - SHEILA: YES, I WAS
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  • ON THAT TOUR.
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  • I LOVED THAT.
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  • - MAX: OKAY, I THINK THAT'S
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  • WHERE WE MET, EARLY IN THE '90s,
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  • AND THAT WAS MY FIRST OCCASION
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  • TO BE ON "THE 700 CLUB," AND TO
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  • MEET PAT ROBERTSON AND--
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  • WOW, THAT'S GREAT.
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  • - SHEILA: YEAH, HE'S LIKE MY
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  • SPIRITUAL DAD.
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  • HE WAS SO, SO KIND TO ME.
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  • SOMETIMES, YOU SEE SOMEONE ON
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  • TELEVISION, AND YOU WONDER, YOU
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  • KNOW, "WHAT ARE THEY LIKE BEHIND
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  • THE SCENES?"
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  • BUT AT SOME OF THE WORST MOMENTS
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  • IN MY LIFE, PAT WAS A
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  • FATHER TO ME.
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  • - MAX: YEAH, A SPECIAL MAN,
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  • SPECIAL MAN.
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  • WHAT A TREAT TO SEE YOU.
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  • - SHEILA: YOU TOO.
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  • - MAX: YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAY NOT
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  • KNOW A LOT ABOUT YOUR FAMILY.
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  • CAN YOU JUST TELL US A LITTLE
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  • BIT ABOUT WHERE EVERYBODY IS AND
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  • HOW IT'S GOING?
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  • - SHEILA: SURE.
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  • MY HUSBAND, BARRY, AND I WILL
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  • HAVE BEEN MARRIED 25 YEARS
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  • THIS YEAR.
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  • - MAX: AWESOME.
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  • - SHEILA: WE HAVE A SON,
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  • CHRISTIAN, WHO WILL TURN 23.
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  • HE'S A SENIOR AT TEXAS A&M.
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  • WOOP, "GIG 'EM," COME ON,
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  • PEOPLE, COME ON, COME ON.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • [APPLAUSE]
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  • HE'LL BE GOING TO GRADUATE
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  • SCHOOL THE BEGINNING OF 2020,
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  • SO WE'RE VERY BLESSED.
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  • I MEAN, I LOVE SPEAKING, I LOVE
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  • WRITING, I LOVE ALL THAT, BUT
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  • MORE THAN ANYTHING, I LOVE
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  • BEING A MOM.
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  • - MAX: DO YOU REALLY?
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  • - SHEILA: OH, GOSH.
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  • - MAX: I REMEMBER WHEN
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  • HE WAS BORN.
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  • HOW OLD IS HE?
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  • - SHEILA: HE'LL BE 23 IN
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  • DECEMBER, AND I WAS NOT THE KIND
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  • OF WOMAN WHO ALWAYS WANTED
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  • CHILDREN.
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  • MY THING WAS "YOU HAD THEM; YOU
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  • HOLD THEM."
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • BUT THE MINUTE THAT CHRISTIAN
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  • WAS BORN, SOMETHING WAS
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  • BORN IN ME.
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  • I JUST-- I'VE LOVED EVERY
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  • SINGLE DAY.
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  • - MAX: THERE MAY BE SOMEBODY
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  • WHO'S RECOGNIZING THAT I SPEAK
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  • WITH A TEXAS ACCENT.
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  • THEY MAY NOT RECOGNIZE
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  • YOUR ACCENT.
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  • TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
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  • YOUR STORY.
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  • I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL STORY.
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  • - SHEILA: I WAS BORN IN THE
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  • WEST COAST OF SCOTLAND, A SMALL
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  • FISHING TOWN IN THE WEST COAST,
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  • TO A MOM AND DAD WHO BOTH LOVED
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  • JESUS, WHICH WOULDN'T BE UNUSUAL
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  • IN MANY AMERICAN CITIES, BUT IN
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  • SCOTLAND, LESS THAN 2% OF OUR
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  • POPULATION EVEN WENT TO CHURCH,
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  • SO TO HAVE A MOM AND DAD WHO
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  • LOVED JESUS WAS SUCH A GIFT, BUT
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  • WHEN I WAS ONLY FIVE, MY FATHER
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  • HAD A MASSIVE CEREBRAL
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  • HEMORRHAGE, AND IT CHANGED HIS
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  • PERSONALITY, AND HE BECAME--
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  • INSTEAD OF BEING THIS LOVING,
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  • FUN DAD, HE BECAME AN ANGRY,
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  • CONFUSED, AND ULTIMATELY VIOLENT
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  • STRANGER, AND IT CAME DOWN ONE
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  • DAY TO MY FATHER ATTEMPTING TO
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  • TAKE MY LIFE, BUT MY MOM
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  • INTERVENED, AND HE WAS TAKEN OFF
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  • TO WHAT WAS CALLED BACK THEN OUR
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  • LOCAL LUNATIC ASYLUM.
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  • IT'D BE LIKE A PSYCH HOSPITAL
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  • THESE DAYS.
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  • AND HE MANAGED TO ESCAPE FROM
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  • THERE, AND HE COMMITTED SUICIDE,
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  • TOOK HIS OWN LIFE IN THE RIVER
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  • BEHIND THE HOSPITAL.
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  • - MAX: SO ALL THESE IDEAS THAT
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  • CHRISTIAN COMMUNICATORS HAVE HAD
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  • THE EASY LIFE-- YEAH.
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  • - SHEILA: YOU KNOW, I HONESTLY
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  • THINK-- AND I KNOW THIS FROM
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  • YOUR LIFE, FROM SO MANY AUTHORS
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  • THAT I LOVE TO READ AND THAT I
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  • CONNECT WITH, IT'S THE SAME AS
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  • WHEN I READ THE PSALMS FROM
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  • DAVID, THAT YOU CONNECT WITH,
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  • BECAUSE THOSE HAVE HAD THEIR
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  • HEARTS BROKEN KNOW THAT THE LORD
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  • IS CLOSE TO THE BROKENHEARTED
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  • AND SAVES THOSE WHO ARE
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  • CRUSHED IN SPIRIT.
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  • - MAX: I WOULD IMAGINE A LOT OF
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  • PEOPLE LISTENING RIGHT NOW ARE
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  • SAYING, "I NEEDED THAT WORD, I
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  • NEEDED THAT WORD," YEAH.
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  • YOU KNOW, I'M SO THANKFUL.
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  • I'M SO THANKFUL FOR A REDEMPTION
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  • STORY IN YOUR LIFE.
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  • I LOVE REDEMPTION STORIES.
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  • - SHEILA: ME TOO, ME TOO.
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  • - MAX: WHAT WAS INTENDED AS
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  • EVIL, GOD USED FOR GOOD.
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  • - SHEILA: AND I THINK IT'S THE
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  • DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
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  • WOUNDS AND SCARS.
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  • YOU KNOW, WOUNDS ARE FRESH, AND
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  • WHEN YOUR WOUNDS ARE FRESH,
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  • YOU'RE NOT REALLY ABLE TO
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  • MINISTER TO OTHERS, BUT WHEN
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  • IT'S A SCAR, THEN IT'S LIKE 2
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  • CORINTHIANS 1, WE CAN COMFORT
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  • ONE ANOTHER WITH THE SAME
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  • COMFORT WITH WHICH WE'VE
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  • BEEN COMFORTED.
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  • SCARS ARE PROOF THAT GOD HEALS.
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  • - MAX: YOU TALK ABOUT SCARS IN
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  • THIS BOOK, WHICH WE ARE HERE, AT
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  • LEAST IN PART, TO DISCUSS THIS
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  • TERRIFIC BOOK, "IT'S OKAY NOT
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  • TO BE OKAY," AND YOU TALK ABOUT
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  • THE BEAUTY AND THE VALUE AND THE
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  • IMPORTANCE OF SCARS.
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  • CAN YOU UNPACK THAT JUST A
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  • LITTLE BIT?
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  • - SHEILA: WELL, YOU KNOW, SO
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  • OFTEN, WE TRY AND HIDE OUR
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  • WEAKNESS OR OUR BROKENNESS FROM
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  • ONE ANOTHER AS IF SOMEHOW THAT
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  • DISQUALIFIES US, BUT I'VE FOUND
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  • THAT IT'S USUALLY THE VERY
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  • THINGS THAT HAVE WOUNDED US,
  • 00:07:02.270 --> 00:07:04.230
  • WHEN LIFTED INTO THE PRESENCE OF
  • 00:07:04.230 --> 00:07:07.150
  • GOD AND HE TOUCHES THEM, THAT HE
  • 00:07:07.150 --> 00:07:09.090
  • WILL THEN USE IN THE
  • 00:07:09.090 --> 00:07:10.220
  • LIVES OF OTHERS.
  • 00:07:10.220 --> 00:07:12.010
  • IF CHRIST CHOSE TO RISE FROM THE
  • 00:07:12.010 --> 00:07:13.200
  • GRAVE WITH THE MARKS OF
  • 00:07:13.200 --> 00:07:14.230
  • CRUCIFIXION, WHY WOULD WE BE
  • 00:07:14.230 --> 00:07:17.010
  • ASHAMED OF OUR SCARS?
  • 00:07:17.010 --> 00:07:18.130
  • TO ME, THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS
  • 00:07:18.130 --> 00:07:20.010
  • THAT WE CAN MINISTER
  • 00:07:20.010 --> 00:07:20.270
  • TO ONE ANOTHER.
  • 00:07:20.270 --> 00:07:22.030
  • YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL GOT
  • 00:07:22.030 --> 00:07:23.130
  • DIFFERENT STORIES.
  • 00:07:23.130 --> 00:07:24.240
  • MINE IS I STRUGGLE WITH
  • 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:25.260
  • MENTAL ILLNESS.
  • 00:07:25.260 --> 00:07:26.210
  • I'VE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH
  • 00:07:26.210 --> 00:07:28.230
  • CLINICAL DEPRESSION, SO I TAKE
  • 00:07:28.230 --> 00:07:30.050
  • MEDICATION EVERY DAY, AND
  • 00:07:30.050 --> 00:07:31.100
  • INITIALLY I THOUGHT, "WELL, I'M
  • 00:07:31.100 --> 00:07:32.260
  • NEVER GONNA TELL ANYONE THAT
  • 00:07:32.260 --> 00:07:34.070
  • BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST
  • 00:07:34.070 --> 00:07:36.090
  • GONNA THINK I'M TALKING TO SOME
  • 00:07:36.090 --> 00:07:37.130
  • IMAGINARY DOG AND DROOLING ON
  • 00:07:37.130 --> 00:07:39.030
  • MYSELF," BUT I RARELY DO THAT.
  • 00:07:39.100 --> 00:07:42.100
  • - MAX: RARELY.
  • 00:07:42.100 --> 00:07:43.130
  • - SHEILA: RARELY, RARELY, BUT
  • 00:07:43.130 --> 00:07:45.140
  • TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO OTHERS,
  • 00:07:45.140 --> 00:07:46.040
  • "YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.000
  • THIS ISN'T YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE.
  • 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:49.010
  • IT'S YOUR BRAIN CHEMISTRY, AND
  • 00:07:49.010 --> 00:07:50.090
  • THERE'S HELP AVAILABLE, AND GOD
  • 00:07:50.090 --> 00:07:51.290
  • IS WITH YOU," AND TO BE A LITTLE
  • 00:07:51.290 --> 00:07:53.220
  • FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AND LOOK
  • 00:07:53.220 --> 00:07:55.100
  • BACK AND SAY, "YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:07:55.100 --> 00:07:56.130
  • THE GOOD NEWS IS JESUS IS HERE."
  • 00:07:56.130 --> 00:07:58.030
  • SO THAT'S, TO ME, WHY GOD USES
  • 00:07:58.030 --> 00:07:59.290
  • OUR SCARS.
  • 00:07:59.290 --> 00:08:01.240
  • - MAX: HE'S IN YOUR STORY,
  • 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:02.270
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:08:02.270 --> 00:08:04.000
  • HE'S IN YOUR STORY.
  • 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:04.170
  • JUST TWO OR THREE DAYS AGO,
  • 00:08:04.170 --> 00:08:07.020
  • WE'VE BEEN TALKIN' ABOUT TRAVEL.
  • 00:08:07.170 --> 00:08:10.170
  • I'VE BEEN TRAVELING A LOT.
  • 00:08:10.170 --> 00:08:12.040
  • I HAD ONE DAY-- I LIVE IN SAN
  • 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:13.060
  • ANTONIO, AS YOU KNOW, AND I HAD
  • 00:08:13.060 --> 00:08:15.110
  • ONE DAY TO, KIND OF, BE HOME AND
  • 00:08:15.110 --> 00:08:16.240
  • GET EVERYTHING DONE, AND SO I
  • 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:18.090
  • WAS OUT OF CLEAN SHIRTS, AND SO
  • 00:08:18.090 --> 00:08:20.000
  • I TOOK THE SHIRTS OVER TO A
  • 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.050
  • CLEANER, AND THERE WAS A NEW
  • 00:08:21.050 --> 00:08:23.000
  • MANAGER THERE, AND I SAID,
  • 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:23.200
  • "WHO ARE YOU?
  • 00:08:24.080 --> 00:08:27.080
  • I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU
  • 00:08:27.080 --> 00:08:27.240
  • HERE BEFORE."
  • 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:28.070
  • AND HE TOLD ME, HE
  • 00:08:28.070 --> 00:08:29.000
  • SAID, "I RECOGNIZE YOU.
  • 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:32.000
  • YOU'RE THAT PASTOR FROM DOWN THE
  • 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:32.220
  • STREET."
  • 00:08:32.220 --> 00:08:33.270
  • AND OUR CHURCH IS JUST
  • 00:08:33.270 --> 00:08:34.260
  • RIGHT DOWN INTERSTATE 10 FROM
  • 00:08:34.260 --> 00:08:35.170
  • THE CLEANERS.
  • 00:08:35.170 --> 00:08:37.160
  • HE SAID, "I BECAME A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:08:37.160 --> 00:08:38.140
  • IN PRISON."
  • 00:08:39.030 --> 00:08:42.030
  • I SAID, "REALLY?"
  • 00:08:42.030 --> 00:08:42.180
  • AND I SAID, "TELL ME YOUR
  • 00:08:42.180 --> 00:08:43.070
  • STORY."
  • 00:08:43.070 --> 00:08:44.020
  • HE SAID THAT HE SPENT
  • 00:08:44.020 --> 00:08:46.060
  • SEVEN YEARS IN PRISON FOR
  • 00:08:46.060 --> 00:08:47.110
  • BREAKING AND ENTERING, BUT THE
  • 00:08:47.110 --> 00:08:49.080
  • GIRL HE WAS DATING QUOTED VERSES
  • 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:51.240
  • TO HIM.
  • 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.080
  • THIS IS ALL BEFORE HE WENT TO
  • 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:56.290
  • PRISON.
  • 00:08:56.290 --> 00:08:57.090
  • SHE WAS ALWAYS QUOTING
  • 00:08:57.090 --> 00:08:58.070
  • VERSES TO HIM.
  • 00:08:58.070 --> 00:08:59.220
  • WHEN HE WAS SENT TO PRISON, HE
  • 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:01.020
  • SAID THOSE VERSES CAME UP INSIDE
  • 00:09:01.020 --> 00:09:02.260
  • HIM LIKE IT JUST GAVE HIM LIFE,
  • 00:09:03.250 --> 00:09:06.250
  • AND HE GAVE HIS HEART TO CHRIST,
  • 00:09:06.250 --> 00:09:08.210
  • AND WHAT MADE ME THINK OF THAT
  • 00:09:08.210 --> 00:09:09.240
  • STORY IS HE SAID, AND NOW I'M,
  • 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.280
  • EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT, IN THE
  • 00:09:12.020 --> 00:09:15.020
  • PRISON, TEACHING THOSE MEN THAT
  • 00:09:15.020 --> 00:09:16.180
  • THEIR LIVES ARE GONNA
  • 00:09:16.180 --> 00:09:17.250
  • HAVE A STORY."
  • 00:09:17.250 --> 00:09:19.080
  • AND I SAID, "LOOK AT THAT:
  • 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:20.140
  • WHAT WAS INTENDED FOR EVIL
  • 00:09:20.140 --> 00:09:21.210
  • WAS USED FOR GOOD."
  • 00:09:22.020 --> 00:09:25.020
  • SO HE'S USING HIS SCAR.
  • 00:09:25.020 --> 00:09:26.190
  • I MEAN, HE'S NOT HIDING IT, AND
  • 00:09:26.190 --> 00:09:29.130
  • HE'S USING IT, SO WE CAN TAKE
  • 00:09:29.130 --> 00:09:30.070
  • THOSE-- I DON'T KNOW-- THOSE
  • 00:09:30.070 --> 00:09:31.150
  • CHALLENGES THAT COME OUR WAY.
  • 00:09:31.150 --> 00:09:34.090
  • - SHEILA: BUT THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:09:34.090 --> 00:09:35.040
  • I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT
  • 00:09:35.040 --> 00:09:35.260
  • EVERYBODY WHO'S WATCHING,
  • 00:09:35.260 --> 00:09:37.010
  • EVERYBODY HERE IN OUR STUDIO
  • 00:09:37.010 --> 00:09:38.050
  • AUDIENCE, WE ALL HAVE A STORY,
  • 00:09:38.050 --> 00:09:39.070
  • TO ME, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING
  • 00:09:43.290 --> 00:09:45.130
  • THAT GOD WILL DO WITH A BROKEN
  • 00:09:45.130 --> 00:09:46.040
  • LIFE IF YOU GIVE HIM ALL THE
  • 00:09:46.040 --> 00:09:46.260
  • PIECES AND TO SEE THE WAY THAT
  • 00:09:46.260 --> 00:09:48.140
  • HE IS SUCH A REDEEMER.
  • 00:09:48.140 --> 00:09:50.000
  • HE WASTES NOTHING.
  • 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:51.220
  • YOU KNOW, REALLY, WHEN YOU THINK
  • 00:09:53.290 --> 00:09:54.250
  • ABOUT IT, OUTSIDE OF JESUS,
  • 00:09:55.230 --> 00:09:58.230
  • EVERYBODY IN THE BIBLE WAS
  • 00:09:58.230 --> 00:09:59.200
  • MESSED UP, RIGHT?
  • 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:00.270
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:10:00.270 --> 00:10:01.230
  • - SHEILA: ABSOLUTELY,
  • 00:10:01.230 --> 00:10:02.210
  • ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:10:02.210 --> 00:10:04.050
  • - MAX: IS THERE ANYBODY WHO
  • 00:10:04.050 --> 00:10:05.000
  • DIDN'T BLOW IT?
  • 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:05.210
  • - SHEILA: NO, MAYBE THE WHALE.
  • 00:10:05.210 --> 00:10:07.020
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:10:08.090 --> 00:10:11.090
  • - MAX: I'M KIND OF RUNNING A
  • 00:10:11.090 --> 00:10:12.030
  • MENTAL CHECKLIST DOWN HERE.
  • 00:10:12.030 --> 00:10:13.000
  • I'M TRYING TO THINK.
  • 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:14.030
  • ABRAHAM LIED ABOUT HIS WIFE.
  • 00:10:14.030 --> 00:10:16.200
  • DAVID, GREAT MAN OF GOD, BUT HE
  • 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.180
  • CHEATED ON HIS FRIEND AND WIFE,
  • 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.080
  • AND, I MEAN, THE LIST IS NOT
  • 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:25.150
  • THAT GOOD EXCEPT GOD IS GOOD.
  • 00:10:25.150 --> 00:10:27.200
  • GOD IS GOOD.
  • 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:29.160
  • GOD TAKES THOSE LIVES, RIGHT?
  • 00:10:29.160 --> 00:10:32.110
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:10:32.130 --> 00:10:35.130
  • - SHEILA: THAT, FOR ME, WAS
  • 00:10:35.130 --> 00:10:36.190
  • SUCH A TURNING POINT, AND ONE OF
  • 00:10:36.190 --> 00:10:39.030
  • THE REASONS I WROTE THE BOOK WAS
  • 00:10:39.030 --> 00:10:40.010
  • I USED TO PURSUE PERFECTION, AND
  • 00:10:40.010 --> 00:10:40.230
  • IT NEARLY KILLED ME.
  • 00:10:40.250 --> 00:10:43.250
  • NOW I PURSUE CHRIST, WHO IS
  • 00:10:43.250 --> 00:10:44.190
  • PERFECT, AND THEN IT'S JUST
  • 00:10:44.190 --> 00:10:46.110
  • THAT'S SO MUCH EASIER.
  • 00:10:46.110 --> 00:10:48.020
  • - MAX: WE DON'T NEED SOMEBODY
  • 00:10:48.020 --> 00:10:49.170
  • ELSE TO TELL US MORE THINGS
  • 00:10:49.170 --> 00:10:52.090
  • WE'RE NOT DOING RIGHT.
  • 00:10:52.090 --> 00:10:54.010
  • - SHEILA: NO, I THINK WE'RE
  • 00:10:54.010 --> 00:10:54.210
  • WELL AWARE.
  • 00:10:54.210 --> 00:10:56.050
  • - MAX: WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT
  • 00:10:56.050 --> 00:10:56.250
  • THAT.
  • 00:10:56.250 --> 00:10:57.120
  • - SHEILA: YEAH, YEAH, CAN I
  • 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:58.090
  • TURN THE TABLES AND ASK
  • 00:10:58.090 --> 00:10:58.270
  • YOU A QUESTION?
  • 00:10:58.270 --> 00:11:00.020
  • - MAX: IF IT'S AN EASY ONE.
  • 00:11:00.020 --> 00:11:00.280
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:11:00.280 --> 00:11:03.000
  • - SHEILA: YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
  • 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:03.260
  • THINGS I FIND FASCINATING ABOUT
  • 00:11:03.260 --> 00:11:04.220
  • YOU, MAX, IS YOU'RE SUCH A
  • 00:11:04.220 --> 00:11:06.280
  • PROLIFIC WRITER, AND I HAVE
  • 00:11:06.280 --> 00:11:09.070
  • BENEFITED SO GREATLY FROM YOUR
  • 00:11:09.070 --> 00:11:11.130
  • WRITINGS, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR
  • 00:11:11.130 --> 00:11:14.010
  • TIME IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE
  • 00:11:14.010 --> 00:11:15.150
  • THERE'S SO MUCH DIVISION-- IF
  • 00:11:15.150 --> 00:11:16.230
  • YOU GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE
  • 00:11:16.230 --> 00:11:17.280
  • ARE YELLING AT EACH OTHER,
  • 00:11:17.280 --> 00:11:19.020
  • ARE SO POLARIZED.
  • 00:11:19.020 --> 00:11:20.090
  • WHY DID YOU CHOOSE THIS SPACE
  • 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.200
  • AND TIME TO WRITE A BOOK
  • 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:24.080
  • ON HAPPINESS?
  • 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.000
  • - MAX: YEAH, YEAH, I CAME
  • 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:28.290
  • ACROSS SOME REALLY INTERESTING
  • 00:11:28.290 --> 00:11:29.200
  • RESEARCH.
  • 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:31.200
  • I'M CURIOUS TO SEE IF IT
  • 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:32.100
  • SURPRISES YOU, AS MUCH AS IT DID
  • 00:11:32.100 --> 00:11:33.210
  • ME, THAT ONLY ONE IN THREE
  • 00:11:33.210 --> 00:11:36.200
  • AMERICANS SAY THEY'RE HAPPY--
  • 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:37.110
  • ONLY ONE IN THREE.
  • 00:11:37.210 --> 00:11:40.210
  • SO THIS MEANS THAT TWO OUT OF
  • 00:11:40.210 --> 00:11:42.060
  • THREE PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE
  • 00:11:42.060 --> 00:11:44.060
  • IN A GROCERY STORE OR
  • 00:11:44.060 --> 00:11:46.230
  • DRIVING DOWN THE HIGHWAY OR
  • 00:11:46.230 --> 00:11:48.050
  • THEY'RE LIVING UNDER A CLOUD OF
  • 00:11:48.050 --> 00:11:50.160
  • GRAYNESS, AND SO IT JUST GOT ME
  • 00:11:50.160 --> 00:11:52.240
  • THINKING, "WHY IS THAT?
  • 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.110
  • HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?
  • 00:11:54.110 --> 00:11:55.140
  • HOW DID WE GET TO THE POINT?"
  • 00:11:55.140 --> 00:11:56.090
  • AND THIS IS THE LOWEST, THAT
  • 00:11:56.090 --> 00:11:58.120
  • PARTICULAR RESEARCH TOOL, THE
  • 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.180
  • LOWEST THAT THE AMERICANS HAVE
  • 00:12:00.180 --> 00:12:02.160
  • EVER SCORED.
  • 00:12:02.160 --> 00:12:04.170
  • WE'VE NEVER BEEN LOWER.
  • 00:12:04.170 --> 00:12:06.170
  • WE ARE LOW.
  • 00:12:06.170 --> 00:12:07.150
  • AND HAPPINESS IS IN SHORT
  • 00:12:07.210 --> 00:12:10.210
  • SUPPLY, AND I THINK THAT'S
  • 00:12:10.210 --> 00:12:12.220
  • CONTRIBUTING TO THIS HOSTILITY.
  • 00:12:12.220 --> 00:12:14.150
  • IS THAT A GOOD WORD?
  • 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:17.240
  • THIS RIVALRY, AND AS WE HEAD IN
  • 00:12:19.230 --> 00:12:22.230
  • TO YET ANOTHER POLITICAL YEAR,
  • 00:12:22.230 --> 00:12:24.270
  • I THINK IT'S GONNA
  • 00:12:24.270 --> 00:12:25.240
  • BE EVEN WORSE,
  • 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:26.200
  • AND SO I THINK THAT THERE IS A
  • 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.160
  • NEED FOR US TO REDISCOVER WHERE
  • 00:12:28.160 --> 00:12:31.020
  • HAPPINESS COMES FROM, AND IT'S
  • 00:12:31.020 --> 00:12:33.170
  • NOT IN THE NEXT ACQUISITION, NOT
  • 00:12:33.170 --> 00:12:35.190
  • IN THE NEXT HOUSE, BUT THERE IS
  • 00:12:35.190 --> 00:12:38.160
  • A HAPPINESS THAT CAN COME THAT
  • 00:12:38.160 --> 00:12:40.120
  • NO ONE CAN TAKE AWAY.
  • 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:41.260
  • - SHEILA: IN THE ONE OUT OF
  • 00:12:41.260 --> 00:12:43.170
  • THREE WHO WERE HAPPY, WAS THERE
  • 00:12:43.170 --> 00:12:45.150
  • A COMMON THREAD?
  • 00:12:45.150 --> 00:12:46.070
  • - MAX: THOSE RESEARCHED, THOSE
  • 00:12:48.020 --> 00:12:51.020
  • INTERVIEWED, DISCUSSED THAT THEY
  • 00:12:51.050 --> 00:12:54.050
  • HAVE A HAPPINESS THAT DOESN'T
  • 00:12:54.050 --> 00:12:56.030
  • DEPEND ON CIRCUMSTANCES.
  • 00:12:56.030 --> 00:12:57.290
  • THAT'S A BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE.
  • 00:12:57.290 --> 00:12:59.070
  • JESUS SAID WE'RE HAPPIER WHEN WE
  • 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.140
  • GIVE THAN WHEN WE RECEIVE.
  • 00:13:02.140 --> 00:13:03.160
  • HE FLIPPED IT ALL ON ITS HEAD.
  • 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.000
  • WE LIVE IN A CULTURE THAT SAYS
  • 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.130
  • YOU'RE HAPPY IF YOU RECEIVE AND
  • 00:13:09.130 --> 00:13:10.260
  • NOT WHEN YOU GIVE.
  • 00:13:10.260 --> 00:13:12.260
  • AND SO THERE'S THE BIG IDEA.
  • 00:13:12.260 --> 00:13:14.140
  • IF YOU WANNA FIND HOW HAPPINESS
  • 00:13:14.140 --> 00:13:16.240
  • HAPPENS, YOU BECOME ONE WHO
  • 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:18.090
  • GIVES HAPPINESS TO OTHERS.
  • 00:13:18.090 --> 00:13:19.230
  • AND YOU SEE YOUR SCARS AND YOUR
  • 00:13:20.090 --> 00:13:23.090
  • WOUNDS, YOUR WHOLE STORY AS
  • 00:13:23.090 --> 00:13:25.050
  • SOMETHING THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO
  • 00:13:25.050 --> 00:13:26.120
  • OTHER PEOPLE.
  • 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.120
  • THIS PHRASE, THIS TITLE OF YOUR
  • 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.110
  • BOOK, "IT'S OKAY NOT TO BE
  • 00:13:31.110 --> 00:13:32.170
  • OKAY," WHAT DO PEOPLE SAY WHEN
  • 00:13:32.170 --> 00:13:34.140
  • THEY SEE THAT?
  • 00:13:34.140 --> 00:13:36.110
  • - SHEILA: WELL, INITIALLY, SOME
  • 00:13:36.110 --> 00:13:39.010
  • PEOPLE QUESTIONED ME BECAUSE
  • 00:13:39.010 --> 00:13:40.030
  • IT'S LIKE, "WELL, I THOUGHT THE
  • 00:13:40.030 --> 00:13:41.210
  • WHOLE POINT WAS WE'RE SUPPOSED
  • 00:13:41.210 --> 00:13:42.120
  • TO BE OKAY ONCE WE COME
  • 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:43.000
  • TO CHRIST."
  • 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:43.150
  • AND MY THING WAS "YOU
  • 00:13:43.150 --> 00:13:45.010
  • KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:13:45.010 --> 00:13:46.040
  • I TRIED THAT FOR YEARS."
  • 00:13:46.040 --> 00:13:47.060
  • I MEAN, I REMEMBER THE NIGHT
  • 00:13:47.060 --> 00:13:48.260
  • I GAVE MY LIFE TO CHRIST,
  • 00:13:48.260 --> 00:13:50.030
  • I WAS 11 YEARS OLD,
  • 00:13:50.030 --> 00:13:51.090
  • AND MY MOM SAID SOMETHING
  • 00:13:51.090 --> 00:13:52.230
  • THAT WOULD BE GOOD NEWS TO
  • 00:13:52.230 --> 00:13:53.280
  • MOST PEOPLE.
  • 00:13:53.280 --> 00:13:54.110
  • SHE SAID, "SHEILA, NOT ONLY IS
  • 00:13:54.110 --> 00:13:55.120
  • JESUS CHRIST YOUR SAVIOR AND YOU
  • 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:56.220
  • GET TO MAKE HIM LORD OF YOUR
  • 00:13:56.220 --> 00:13:57.290
  • LIFE, BUT YOU HAVE A HEAVENLY
  • 00:13:57.290 --> 00:13:59.240
  • FATHER WATCHING OVER YOU."
  • 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:01.150
  • BUT WHAT I HEARD WAS I'VE GOT
  • 00:14:01.150 --> 00:14:03.250
  • ONE MORE CHANCE TO GET IT RIGHT.
  • 00:14:03.250 --> 00:14:05.150
  • WHATEVER MY EARTHLY DAD SAW IN
  • 00:14:05.150 --> 00:14:07.120
  • ME THAT MADE HIM SEEM TO HATE
  • 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.230
  • ME, I DON'T WANT MY HEAVENLY
  • 00:14:08.230 --> 00:14:10.240
  • FATHER EVER TO SEE THAT.
  • 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:11.280
  • I'M GONNA BE THE PERFECT
  • 00:14:11.280 --> 00:14:13.070
  • CHRISTIAN IF IT KILLS ME, AND IT
  • 00:14:13.070 --> 00:14:14.100
  • ALMOST DID.
  • 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:17.060
  • I REALLY BASED MY RELATIONSHIP
  • 00:14:17.060 --> 00:14:18.110
  • WITH GOD ON ME GETTING
  • 00:14:18.110 --> 00:14:19.290
  • EVERYTHING RIGHT AND ME BEING
  • 00:14:19.290 --> 00:14:21.180
  • THE PERFECT CHRISTIAN, ON NEVER
  • 00:14:21.180 --> 00:14:22.200
  • MESSING UP, ON ALWAYS BEING
  • 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:23.200
  • THERE, BUT I LIVED A VERY
  • 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:25.220
  • LONELY LIFE.
  • 00:14:25.220 --> 00:14:27.270
  • YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HIDE
  • 00:14:27.270 --> 00:14:29.000
  • IN MINISTRY.
  • 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.170
  • SOME PEOPLE THINK, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:14:31.170 --> 00:14:33.290
  • THAT THEY USE DRUGS OR ALCOHOL
  • 00:14:33.290 --> 00:14:35.180
  • OR RELATIONSHIPS AS A KIND
  • 00:14:35.180 --> 00:14:36.160
  • OF MASK.
  • 00:14:36.160 --> 00:14:37.080
  • YOU CAN USE CHRISTIAN MINISTRY
  • 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.020
  • AS A PLACE TO HIDE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:14:38.020 --> 00:14:38.280
  • BECAUSE YOU JUST THINK "I DON'T
  • 00:14:38.280 --> 00:14:39.200
  • KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO."
  • 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:40.280
  • AND IT WAS ONLY WHEN MY LIFE
  • 00:14:40.280 --> 00:14:42.010
  • CRASHED--
  • 00:14:42.010 --> 00:14:43.140
  • AND THAT WAS GOD'S MERCY--
  • 00:14:43.140 --> 00:14:44.070
  • THAT I DISCOVERED
  • 00:14:44.070 --> 00:14:45.290
  • IT'S OKAY NOT TO BE OKAY,
  • 00:14:45.290 --> 00:14:47.210
  • WHEN I HAD NOTHING LEFT TO
  • 00:14:47.210 --> 00:14:48.270
  • COMMEND MYSELF.
  • 00:14:48.270 --> 00:14:50.120
  • I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE IN A PSYCH
  • 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:51.030
  • HOSPITAL AND THEY'VE TAKEN ALL
  • 00:14:51.030 --> 00:14:52.080
  • YOUR STUFF AWAY AND THEY PLACE
  • 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:53.060
  • YOU IN SUICIDE WATCH-- AND THAT
  • 00:14:53.060 --> 00:14:54.140
  • MORNING YOU'VE BEEN THE COHOST
  • 00:14:54.140 --> 00:14:56.130
  • OF "THE 700 CLUB"-- THERE'S NOT
  • 00:14:56.130 --> 00:14:58.100
  • MUCH LEFT TO SAY ABOUT YOURSELF,
  • 00:14:58.100 --> 00:15:00.190
  • BUT I WROTE IN MY JOURNAL THAT
  • 00:15:00.190 --> 00:15:02.100
  • FIRST NIGHT, "I NEVER KNEW YOU
  • 00:15:02.100 --> 00:15:05.020
  • LIVED SO CLOSE TO THE FLOOR."
  • 00:15:05.020 --> 00:15:07.030
  • I'M SO USED TO WORSHIPING GOD IN
  • 00:15:07.030 --> 00:15:08.180
  • HIS MAJESTY, AS WE SHOULD, BUT
  • 00:15:08.180 --> 00:15:10.020
  • THE TRUTH OF PSALM 34, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:15:10.020 --> 00:15:12.210
  • "THE LORD IS CLOSE TO THE
  • 00:15:12.210 --> 00:15:15.020
  • BROKENHEARTED AND SAVES THOSE
  • 00:15:15.020 --> 00:15:16.070
  • WHO ARE CRUSHED IN SPIRIT," AND
  • 00:15:16.070 --> 00:15:18.050
  • I DISCOVERED THAT NIGHT FOR ALL
  • 00:15:18.050 --> 00:15:20.020
  • MY PRAYERS THAT I PRAYED THROUGH
  • 00:15:20.020 --> 00:15:22.060
  • THE YEARS AND THAT SOMETIMES THE
  • 00:15:22.060 --> 00:15:24.130
  • MOST POWERFUL PRAYER IS SIMPLY
  • 00:15:24.130 --> 00:15:25.210
  • "HELP, HELP ME, LORD.
  • 00:15:25.210 --> 00:15:27.200
  • I'M DROWNING, HELP ME."
  • 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.110
  • AND THAT'S WHERE THE BROKENNESS
  • 00:15:30.130 --> 00:15:33.130
  • IN ME MET THE BEAUTY
  • 00:15:33.130 --> 00:15:34.270
  • IN CHRIST.
  • 00:15:34.270 --> 00:15:35.110
  • - MAX: YEAH, YOU GET TO THE END
  • 00:15:35.110 --> 00:15:37.030
  • OF THE ROPE AND FIND OUT YOU
  • 00:15:37.030 --> 00:15:39.000
  • HAVE THE BEGINNING OF A
  • 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.190
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
  • 00:15:41.190 --> 00:15:43.070
  • DID YOU SENSE THIS COMING OVER A
  • 00:15:43.070 --> 00:15:45.100
  • PERIOD OF TIME?
  • 00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:47.240
  • YOU CALLED IT THE CRUSH OR
  • 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.150
  • THIS COLLAPSE.
  • 00:15:49.150 --> 00:15:51.190
  • COULD YOU TELL IT WAS COMING?
  • 00:15:51.190 --> 00:15:52.100
  • - SHEILA: I COULD.
  • 00:15:52.100 --> 00:15:53.290
  • I DIDN'T KNOW-- I DIDN'T REALLY
  • 00:15:53.290 --> 00:15:55.220
  • UNDERSTAND MUCH ABOUT CLINICAL
  • 00:15:55.220 --> 00:15:57.020
  • DEPRESSION AND PARTICULARLY IF
  • 00:15:57.020 --> 00:15:58.100
  • YOU'RE IN MINISTRY.
  • 00:15:58.100 --> 00:15:59.180
  • YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE
  • 00:15:59.180 --> 00:16:00.270
  • ON A PROGRAM THAT TALKS ABOUT
  • 00:16:00.270 --> 00:16:01.270
  • HEALING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:16:01.270 --> 00:16:03.140
  • SUPPOSED TO BE FALLIN'
  • 00:16:03.140 --> 00:16:04.010
  • BUT, YEAH, I WOULD GO TO THE ATM
  • 00:16:06.030 --> 00:16:06.270
  • AND COULDN'T REMEMBER MY PIN
  • 00:16:06.270 --> 00:16:09.210
  • NUMBER, COULDN'T SLEEP, COULDN'T
  • 00:16:09.210 --> 00:16:10.250
  • EAT, BUT MORE THAN THAT, THERE
  • 00:16:10.250 --> 00:16:11.290
  • WAS THIS OVERWHELMING SADNESS,
  • 00:16:11.290 --> 00:16:14.270
  • NOT JUST A BAD DAY, BUT JUST
  • 00:16:14.270 --> 00:16:16.190
  • THIS CRUSHING WEIGHT OF SADNESS,
  • 00:16:16.190 --> 00:16:18.190
  • AND I THOUGHT, "YOU KNOW, LORD,
  • 00:16:18.190 --> 00:16:20.170
  • I FASTED AND PRAYED FOR 21 DAYS.
  • 00:16:23.130 --> 00:16:24.200
  • I HAD NOTHING BUT WATER FOR 21
  • 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:26.050
  • DAYS, AND I SAID, "LORD, IF
  • 00:16:26.050 --> 00:16:27.220
  • THERE'S ANYTHING IN ME THAT'S
  • 00:16:27.220 --> 00:16:28.170
  • DISPLEASING TO YOU,
  • 00:16:28.170 --> 00:16:31.010
  • PLEASE SHOW ME."
  • 00:16:31.010 --> 00:16:32.230
  • BUT I WAS JUST LEFT WITH
  • 00:16:32.230 --> 00:16:33.190
  • THIS EMPTINESS, AND GOD IN HIS
  • 00:16:33.190 --> 00:16:35.290
  • MERCY, SOMETIMES GOD WILL TAKE
  • 00:16:35.290 --> 00:16:37.040
  • YOU TO PRISON TO SET YOU FREE.
  • 00:16:37.040 --> 00:16:38.280
  • THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.
  • 00:16:38.280 --> 00:16:40.010
  • - MAX: THAT'S GOOD.
  • 00:16:40.010 --> 00:16:40.180
  • DID YOU HEAR THAT?
  • 00:16:40.180 --> 00:16:41.220
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:16:46.220 --> 00:16:49.220
  • SOME DAYS, GOD WILL TAKE YOU TO
  • 00:16:49.220 --> 00:16:52.100
  • A PRISON TO SET YOU FREE.
  • 00:16:53.060 --> 00:16:56.060
  • IF THAT DESCRIBES YOU, MY
  • 00:16:56.060 --> 00:16:57.010
  • FRIEND, THEN THE LORD HAS YOU
  • 00:16:57.010 --> 00:16:58.180
  • LISTENING RIGHT NOW FOR THAT
  • 00:16:58.180 --> 00:16:59.130
  • VERY REASON.
  • 00:16:59.270 --> 00:17:02.290
  • HE HASN'T GIVEN UP ON YOU.
  • 00:17:02.290 --> 00:17:03.250
  • IN FACT, THIS TROUBLE THAT
  • 00:17:03.250 --> 00:17:06.040
  • YOU'RE GOING THROUGH COULD VERY
  • 00:17:06.040 --> 00:17:07.080
  • WELL BE THE ANSWER TO
  • 00:17:07.080 --> 00:17:08.060
  • YOUR PRAYERS.
  • 00:17:08.060 --> 00:17:10.010
  • I KNOW IT'S NOT THE WAY YOU
  • 00:17:10.010 --> 00:17:11.080
  • WANTED YOUR PRAYERS TO
  • 00:17:11.080 --> 00:17:12.170
  • BE ANSWERED.
  • 00:17:12.170 --> 00:17:13.010
  • YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR THE STORM,
  • 00:17:13.010 --> 00:17:14.240
  • BUT, LISTEN, CHRIST CAME WALKING
  • 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:17.150
  • ON THE WATER IN THE MIDDLE OF
  • 00:17:17.150 --> 00:17:19.260
  • THE STORM, AND HE COMES STILL IN
  • 00:17:19.260 --> 00:17:22.010
  • THE MIDST OF THE STORM, AND HE
  • 00:17:22.010 --> 00:17:24.080
  • MAY BE COMING TO YOU.
  • 00:17:24.170 --> 00:17:27.170
  • WHY DON'T YOU LOOK UP TO HIM?
  • 00:17:27.170 --> 00:17:29.030
  • LISTEN TO WHAT SHEILA'S SAYING.
  • 00:17:29.030 --> 00:17:30.150
  • WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT THE FLOOR?
  • 00:17:30.150 --> 00:17:31.090
  • YOU NEVER--
  • 00:17:31.090 --> 00:17:32.090
  • - SHEILA: "I NEVER KNEW YOU
  • 00:17:32.090 --> 00:17:33.150
  • LIVED SO CLOSE TO THE FLOOR."
  • 00:17:33.150 --> 00:17:35.180
  • - MAX: YEAH, AND THAT'S WHERE
  • 00:17:35.180 --> 00:17:36.090
  • YOU WERE.
  • 00:17:36.090 --> 00:17:36.250
  • - SHEILA: I WAS ON MY FACE IN
  • 00:17:36.250 --> 00:17:37.280
  • MY ROOM, TEARS SOAKING THE
  • 00:17:37.280 --> 00:17:39.120
  • CARPET, BUT I FELT AS IF I FELT
  • 00:17:39.120 --> 00:17:41.270
  • CHRIST'S PRESENCE RIGHT THERE
  • 00:17:41.270 --> 00:17:43.120
  • WITH ME, NOT TELLING ME TO PULL
  • 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:44.150
  • MYSELF TOGETHER.
  • 00:17:44.150 --> 00:17:46.010
  • I FELT LIKE-- DO YOU REMEMBER
  • 00:17:46.010 --> 00:17:47.200
  • WHEN ELIJAH, AFTER HE'D HAD THAT
  • 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:49.150
  • GREAT SHOWDOWN, THAT MADISON
  • 00:17:49.150 --> 00:17:51.250
  • SQUARE GARDEN MOMENT ON MOUNT
  • 00:17:51.250 --> 00:17:53.120
  • CARMEL, AND, SUDDENLY, HE'S LIKE
  • 00:17:53.120 --> 00:17:55.190
  • IN THE WILDERNESS, AND HE'S
  • 00:17:55.190 --> 00:17:56.180
  • FED UP, AND HE SAYS,
  • 00:17:56.180 --> 00:17:57.290
  • "LORD, TAKE MY LIFE"?
  • 00:17:57.290 --> 00:17:59.190
  • AND YOU WOULD THINK, WELL, IF
  • 00:17:59.190 --> 00:18:02.060
  • THE ANGEL OF THE LORD'S GONNA
  • 00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:03.040
  • SHOW UP, HE'S GONNA SAY,
  • 00:18:03.040 --> 00:18:04.110
  • "WHAT'RE YOU DOING?
  • 00:18:04.110 --> 00:18:05.130
  • GET UP."
  • 00:18:05.130 --> 00:18:06.270
  • BUT HE DIDN'T.
  • 00:18:06.270 --> 00:18:07.140
  • HE TOLD HIM TO HAVE A NAP AND
  • 00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:09.230
  • MADE HIM LUNCH.
  • 00:18:09.230 --> 00:18:10.290
  • GOD UNDERSTANDS OUR HUMANITY.
  • 00:18:10.290 --> 00:18:13.100
  • WE THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE
  • 00:18:13.100 --> 00:18:14.170
  • SUPER-HUMANS.
  • 00:18:14.170 --> 00:18:16.080
  • GOD UNDERSTANDS OUR BROKENNESS.
  • 00:18:16.080 --> 00:18:17.210
  • - MAX: WHEN PEOPLE TALK TO YOU
  • 00:18:18.030 --> 00:18:21.030
  • ABOUT DEPRESSION, WHAT KIND OF
  • 00:18:21.030 --> 00:18:22.220
  • QUESTIONS DO THEY ASK YOU?
  • 00:18:23.260 --> 00:18:26.260
  • - SHEILA: "IS IT OKAY TO
  • 00:18:26.260 --> 00:18:27.150
  • TAKE MEDICATION?
  • 00:18:27.150 --> 00:18:30.050
  • MY CHURCH DOESN'T BELIEVE
  • 00:18:30.050 --> 00:18:30.240
  • IN MEDICATION.
  • 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:32.170
  • DON'T YOU THINK I CAN JUST GET
  • 00:18:32.170 --> 00:18:33.190
  • WELL BY RECITING SCRIPTURE?"
  • 00:18:33.190 --> 00:18:35.030
  • AND I BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF
  • 00:18:35.030 --> 00:18:36.260
  • SCRIPTURE MORE THAN ALMOST
  • 00:18:36.280 --> 00:18:39.280
  • ANYTHING ELSE.
  • 00:18:39.280 --> 00:18:40.140
  • OTHER THAN WORKING OF THE HOLY
  • 00:18:40.140 --> 00:18:42.130
  • SPIRIT, I BELIEVE IN THE POWER
  • 00:18:42.130 --> 00:18:43.150
  • OF SCRIPTURE, BUT YOU WOULDN'T
  • 00:18:43.150 --> 00:18:44.220
  • SAY TO A CHILD WHO FELL OFF A
  • 00:18:44.220 --> 00:18:45.260
  • SWING, YOU KNOW, "YOU CAN DO ALL
  • 00:18:45.260 --> 00:18:47.030
  • THINGS THROUGH CHRIST, SO GET UP
  • 00:18:47.030 --> 00:18:47.250
  • AND WALK."
  • 00:18:47.250 --> 00:18:49.060
  • YOU WOULD GET HELP
  • 00:18:49.060 --> 00:18:49.210
  • FOR THEM.
  • 00:18:49.210 --> 00:18:50.080
  • BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL AS IF,
  • 00:18:50.080 --> 00:18:52.080
  • "IF SOMEBODY KNEW THAT I WENT TO
  • 00:18:52.080 --> 00:18:53.290
  • GET HELP--" IN FACT, A PASTOR--
  • 00:18:53.290 --> 00:18:55.250
  • DURING THE DAYS OF WOMEN OF
  • 00:18:55.250 --> 00:18:58.020
  • FAITH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I TRAVELED
  • 00:18:58.020 --> 00:18:59.080
  • WITH WOMEN OF FAITH, I GOT A
  • 00:18:59.080 --> 00:19:00.250
  • LETTER FROM A PASTOR ON THE
  • 00:19:00.250 --> 00:19:02.280
  • WEST COAST, AND HE SAID, "A
  • 00:19:02.280 --> 00:19:04.120
  • WHOLE BUNCH OF WOMEN FROM MY
  • 00:19:04.120 --> 00:19:07.040
  • CHURCH ARE COMING TO THE
  • 00:19:07.040 --> 00:19:08.050
  • CONFERENCE, BUT MY WIFE IS NOT.
  • 00:19:08.050 --> 00:19:10.070
  • SHE STRUGGLED WITH DEPRESSION
  • 00:19:10.070 --> 00:19:11.070
  • FOR YEARS, BUT NO ONE IN THE
  • 00:19:11.070 --> 00:19:13.020
  • CHURCH KNOWS BECAUSE SHE THINKS,
  • 00:19:13.020 --> 00:19:14.080
  • IF PEOPLE KNEW, IT WOULD IMPACT
  • 00:19:14.080 --> 00:19:15.020
  • MY MINISTRY."
  • 00:19:15.020 --> 00:19:16.140
  • AND HE SAID, "IS THERE
  • 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:17.280
  • ANY WAY YOU WOULD MEET
  • 00:19:17.280 --> 00:19:19.050
  • PRIVATELY WITH HER?"
  • 00:19:19.050 --> 00:19:20.190
  • AND I SAID, "ABSOLUTELY."
  • 00:19:20.190 --> 00:19:21.100
  • I FLEW IN A DAY EARLY,
  • 00:19:21.100 --> 00:19:22.000
  • AND I ARRANGED TO MEET THEM AT
  • 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.280
  • THE HOTEL WHERE I WAS STAYING,
  • 00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:25.170
  • AND SHE WOULDN'T EVEN MAKE
  • 00:19:25.170 --> 00:19:26.080
  • EYE CONTACT WITH ME,
  • 00:19:26.080 --> 00:19:28.200
  • BUT I'D FOUND A ROOM WHERE SHE
  • 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:29.160
  • AND I COULD GO, AND THE PASTOR
  • 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.100
  • STAYED IN THE LOBBY.
  • 00:19:31.100 --> 00:19:32.010
  • AND WE SAT DOWN, AND I SAID TO
  • 00:19:32.010 --> 00:19:33.160
  • HER, "LISTEN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO
  • 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:34.160
  • TELL ME A THING ABOUT YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:36.000
  • BUT IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME, I'D
  • 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:37.240
  • LOVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT MINE."
  • 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:38.260
  • AND I TOLD HER ABOUT
  • 00:19:38.260 --> 00:19:39.280
  • THE DEPRESSION.
  • 00:19:39.280 --> 00:19:42.050
  • I TOLD HER ABOUT NIGHTS WHEN I
  • 00:19:42.050 --> 00:19:43.020
  • CONTEMPLATED ENDING MY LIFE.
  • 00:19:43.020 --> 00:19:44.250
  • I TOLD HER WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO
  • 00:19:44.250 --> 00:19:46.050
  • LIVE UNDER THIS WEIGHT AND THE
  • 00:19:46.050 --> 00:19:47.040
  • SHAME ATTACHED WITH IT.
  • 00:19:47.040 --> 00:19:48.130
  • AND THEN I TOLD HER HOW CHRIST
  • 00:19:48.130 --> 00:19:50.010
  • HAD RESCUED ME AND I REALIZED
  • 00:19:50.010 --> 00:19:51.130
  • THAT "THOSE WHO LOOK TO HIM WILL
  • 00:19:51.130 --> 00:19:54.050
  • BE RADIANT WITH HELP.
  • 00:19:54.050 --> 00:19:55.080
  • NO SHADOW OF SHAME WILL TOUCH
  • 00:19:55.080 --> 00:19:56.060
  • THEIR FACES."
  • 00:19:56.060 --> 00:19:57.140
  • AND AT THE END OF
  • 00:19:57.140 --> 00:19:58.250
  • AN HOUR, WE WERE BOTH ON OUR
  • 00:19:58.250 --> 00:20:00.090
  • KNEES, TEARS STREAMING DOWN OUR
  • 00:20:00.090 --> 00:20:01.280
  • FACES, LIFTING OUR HANDS TO OUR
  • 00:20:01.280 --> 00:20:04.170
  • HEAVENLY FATHER, AND, HONESTLY,
  • 00:20:04.170 --> 00:20:06.100
  • MAX, AS I WATCHED THAT WOMAN RUN
  • 00:20:06.100 --> 00:20:08.190
  • OUT OF THAT ROOM INTO THE ARMS
  • 00:20:08.190 --> 00:20:09.210
  • OF HER HUSBAND, I THOUGHT,
  • 00:20:09.210 --> 00:20:10.250
  • "LORD, I WOULD DO THAT.
  • 00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:11.230
  • I WOULD GO THROUGH THAT A
  • 00:20:11.230 --> 00:20:13.170
  • HUNDRED TIMES FOR THAT ONE WOMAN
  • 00:20:13.170 --> 00:20:16.150
  • TO KNOW THAT SHE'S NOT ALONE."
  • 00:20:16.150 --> 00:20:17.280
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:20:25.120 --> 00:20:28.120
  • - MAX: IS THAT PART OF THE
  • 00:20:28.120 --> 00:20:29.210
  • ENTANGLEMENT OF DEPRESSION IS
  • 00:20:29.250 --> 00:20:32.250
  • NOT ONLY THAT IT PULLS US UNDER,
  • 00:20:32.270 --> 00:20:35.270
  • BUT IT TELLS US WE CAN'T TALK TO
  • 00:20:35.290 --> 00:20:38.290
  • OTHERS ABOUT IT, CAN'T
  • 00:20:38.290 --> 00:20:40.080
  • ACKNOWLEDGE IT BECAUSE IT'S AN
  • 00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:41.100
  • ADMISSION OF WEAKNESS?
  • 00:20:41.100 --> 00:20:42.030
  • IS THAT IT?
  • 00:20:42.030 --> 00:20:44.220
  • - SHEILA: YEAH, IT'S THE SHAME
  • 00:20:44.220 --> 00:20:45.140
  • AND THE STIGMA.
  • 00:20:45.140 --> 00:20:47.060
  • AND SOME IN THE CHURCH, WE'VE
  • 00:20:47.060 --> 00:20:48.260
  • NOT DONE A VERY GOOD JOB ABOUT
  • 00:20:48.260 --> 00:20:49.170
  • DE-MYTHICIZING IT.
  • 00:20:49.170 --> 00:20:50.020
  • AND, TO ME, HERE'S HOW I
  • 00:20:50.020 --> 00:20:51.010
  • DISTINGUISH BETWEEN GUILT AND
  • 00:20:51.010 --> 00:20:53.110
  • SHAME: IF I SAID SOMETHING
  • 00:20:53.110 --> 00:20:54.200
  • UNKIND TO YOU, I WOULD FEEL
  • 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:55.230
  • GUILTY UNTIL I COULD SAY, "MAX,
  • 00:20:55.230 --> 00:20:58.080
  • I'M SO SORRY.
  • 00:20:58.080 --> 00:20:59.140
  • THAT WAS TOTALLY MEAN.
  • 00:20:59.140 --> 00:21:00.140
  • PLEASE FORGIVE ME."
  • 00:21:00.140 --> 00:21:01.080
  • SO IF GUILT TELLS ME
  • 00:21:01.080 --> 00:21:02.150
  • I'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG,
  • 00:21:02.150 --> 00:21:03.250
  • SHAME TELLS ME I AM
  • 00:21:03.250 --> 00:21:04.230
  • SOMETHING WRONG.
  • 00:21:04.230 --> 00:21:07.170
  • AND WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT?
  • 00:21:07.170 --> 00:21:08.190
  • AND I'M THINKIN' OF THOSE
  • 00:21:08.190 --> 00:21:10.160
  • LISTENING IN, WATCHING JUST NOW,
  • 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:11.280
  • OR EVEN IN OUR STUDIO AUDIENCE.
  • 00:21:11.280 --> 00:21:12.240
  • THE ABUSE THAT THEY'VE STRUGGLED
  • 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:14.280
  • WITH MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN
  • 00:21:14.280 --> 00:21:16.140
  • PHYSICAL ABUSE LIKE MINE.
  • 00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:18.090
  • IT COULD'VE BEEN SEXUAL ABUSE OR
  • 00:21:18.090 --> 00:21:21.050
  • VERBAL ABUSE, BUT WHEN YOU DON'T
  • 00:21:21.050 --> 00:21:21.270
  • KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT, YOU
  • 00:21:22.040 --> 00:21:25.040
  • JUST SHOVE IT INTO THE CELLAR OF
  • 00:21:25.040 --> 00:21:25.280
  • YOUR SOUL, AND SOMEHOW IT JUST
  • 00:21:25.280 --> 00:21:27.110
  • LEAKS OUT, BUT YOU FEEL, "WHO
  • 00:21:27.110 --> 00:21:28.150
  • CAN I TALK TO ABOUT THIS?
  • 00:21:28.150 --> 00:21:29.090
  • 'CAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING
  • 00:21:29.090 --> 00:21:30.010
  • WRONG WITH ME."
  • 00:21:30.010 --> 00:21:31.180
  • - MAX: YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE
  • 00:21:31.180 --> 00:21:33.280
  • YEARS AGO, I WROTE A BOOK ON
  • 00:21:33.280 --> 00:21:35.170
  • ANXIETY, AND I HAD A PARAGRAPH
  • 00:21:35.170 --> 00:21:38.130
  • THAT I ADDED IN THE LAST DRAFT,
  • 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:43.240
  • ALMOST A THROWAWAY COMMENT.
  • 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:45.210
  • I DIDN'T MEAN IT, A "THROWAWAY,"
  • 00:21:45.210 --> 00:21:46.280
  • BUT I THOUGHT, "MAYBE I SHOULD
  • 00:21:46.280 --> 00:21:48.270
  • JUST SAY THIS," AND I JUST ADDED
  • 00:21:48.270 --> 00:21:50.120
  • A PARAGRAPH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:21:50.120 --> 00:21:52.270
  • "FOR MOST OF US, THIS SCRIPTURE
  • 00:21:52.270 --> 00:21:55.270
  • THAT WE'RE GOING TO STUDY, WHICH
  • 00:21:55.270 --> 00:21:57.240
  • HAPPENED TO BE PHILIPPIANS 4,
  • 00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:58.290
  • 'BE ANXIOUS FOR NOTHING,' FOR
  • 00:21:58.290 --> 00:22:01.050
  • MOST OF US, THIS WILL HELP US
  • 00:22:01.050 --> 00:22:02.020
  • DEAL WITH ANXIETY.
  • 00:22:02.020 --> 00:22:03.040
  • FOR MANY OF US, HOWEVER, WE NEED
  • 00:22:03.040 --> 00:22:05.070
  • MORE THAN JUST A BIBLE STUDY.
  • 00:22:05.070 --> 00:22:07.170
  • WE NEED THE HELP OF A
  • 00:22:07.170 --> 00:22:09.120
  • PSYCHIATRIST, WE NEED THE HELP
  • 00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:11.080
  • OF A PROFESSIONAL, AND WE NEED
  • 00:22:11.080 --> 00:22:12.160
  • MEDICINAL ASSISTANCE."
  • 00:22:12.220 --> 00:22:15.220
  • AND I JUST--
  • 00:22:15.220 --> 00:22:16.210
  • "I THINK I'LL PUT THAT
  • 00:22:16.210 --> 00:22:17.180
  • IN THERE."
  • 00:22:17.180 --> 00:22:18.110
  • I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW
  • 00:22:18.110 --> 00:22:19.230
  • MANY TIMES I HAVE HAD PEOPLE
  • 00:22:19.230 --> 00:22:22.110
  • SAY, "THAT PARAGRAPH,
  • 00:22:22.110 --> 00:22:23.080
  • I NEEDED THAT.
  • 00:22:23.080 --> 00:22:24.230
  • I NEEDED PERMISSION TO
  • 00:22:24.230 --> 00:22:25.290
  • ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ANXIETY IS
  • 00:22:25.290 --> 00:22:28.020
  • SUCKING ME UNDER," AND THIS
  • 00:22:28.020 --> 00:22:29.280
  • ALMOST SOUNDS FUNNY WITH TWO
  • 00:22:30.230 --> 00:22:33.230
  • BIBLE TEACHERS SAYING THIS, BUT
  • 00:22:33.230 --> 00:22:36.060
  • MORE THAN JUST A BIBLE VERSE,
  • 00:22:36.060 --> 00:22:37.150
  • YOU KNOW.
  • 00:22:37.150 --> 00:22:38.260
  • WE'RE NOT SAYING AT ALL THE
  • 00:22:38.260 --> 00:22:40.080
  • FARTHEST THING-- IN FACT, I
  • 00:22:40.080 --> 00:22:42.170
  • THINK JUST THE OPPOSITE.
  • 00:22:42.170 --> 00:22:44.050
  • WE NEED TO FIND HELP, AND PART
  • 00:22:44.210 --> 00:22:47.210
  • OF GOD'S HELP FOR YOU COULD BE
  • 00:22:47.210 --> 00:22:49.260
  • IN THE COUNSEL OF A TRUSTED
  • 00:22:50.040 --> 00:22:53.040
  • DOCTOR OR PSYCHIATRIST OR
  • 00:22:53.040 --> 00:22:55.280
  • RESPECTED PASTOR.
  • 00:22:55.280 --> 00:22:58.000
  • IT COULD BE THAT IT'S MORE THAN
  • 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:00.280
  • EVEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING
  • 00:23:00.280 --> 00:23:03.130
  • ABOUT NOW.
  • 00:23:03.130 --> 00:23:04.280
  • MAY GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:23:04.280 --> 00:23:07.170
  • HERE'S THE BIG POINT, I THINK,
  • 00:23:07.170 --> 00:23:08.130
  • AND I THINK SHEILA AGREES THAT
  • 00:23:08.130 --> 00:23:10.080
  • GOD WANTS YOU TO BE HEALTHY, BUT
  • 00:23:10.080 --> 00:23:12.050
  • WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE
  • 00:23:12.050 --> 00:23:14.130
  • THAT'S DIFFICULT.
  • 00:23:14.130 --> 00:23:15.180
  • IT'S HARD.
  • 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:18.030
  • WE'RE ALL UNDER ATTACK.
  • 00:23:18.030 --> 00:23:20.060
  • WE'RE BEIN' BESIEGED FROM EVERY
  • 00:23:20.060 --> 00:23:21.070
  • ANGLE, AND ON TOP OF THAT, AND A
  • 00:23:21.070 --> 00:23:23.230
  • PICTURE OF THAT, THE
  • 00:23:23.230 --> 00:23:26.090
  • DEVIL IS HERE.
  • 00:23:26.090 --> 00:23:27.230
  • I MEAN, HE'S JUST REALLY TRYING
  • 00:23:27.230 --> 00:23:29.060
  • TO SUCK THE JOY OUT OF OUR LIVES
  • 00:23:29.060 --> 00:23:31.000
  • AND PULL US UNDER, AND HE'S
  • 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:32.180
  • SUCCEEDING WITH MANY,
  • 00:23:32.180 --> 00:23:34.020
  • MANY LIVES.
  • 00:23:34.020 --> 00:23:34.280
  • DON'T LET HIM HAVE YOURS--
  • 00:23:34.280 --> 00:23:36.200
  • DON'T.
  • 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:38.170
  • YOU'RE KNOWN BY GOD.
  • 00:23:38.170 --> 00:23:40.060
  • YOU'RE CHOSEN BY GOD.
  • 00:23:40.060 --> 00:23:41.250
  • YOU CAN BE INDWELT BY GOD AND
  • 00:23:41.250 --> 00:23:43.160
  • SAVED BY GOD.
  • 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:45.100
  • DON'T BUY INTO THIS LIE THAT
  • 00:23:45.100 --> 00:23:46.230
  • SAYS THAT YOU DON'T MATTER.
  • 00:23:46.230 --> 00:23:48.180
  • HE CARES DEEPLY ABOUT YOU, AND
  • 00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:49.290
  • IF YOU NEED TO GET HELP,
  • 00:23:49.290 --> 00:23:51.180
  • JUST GET SOME HELP.
  • 00:23:51.180 --> 00:23:52.210
  • NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALK
  • 00:23:52.220 --> 00:23:55.220
  • ABOUT IN THE BOOK THAT I THINK
  • 00:23:55.220 --> 00:23:56.240
  • WE NEED TO UNPACK IS THE
  • 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:58.210
  • DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD-HELP AND
  • 00:23:58.210 --> 00:24:00.100
  • SELF-HELP.
  • 00:24:00.100 --> 00:24:01.210
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:24:01.210 --> 00:24:03.130
  • - SHEILA: YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
  • 00:24:03.130 --> 00:24:04.070
  • THIS IS NOT A SELF-HELP BOOK.
  • 00:24:04.070 --> 00:24:05.240
  • SELF-HELP IS NO HELP AT ALL.
  • 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:08.090
  • TO ME, IT'S LIKE WE NEED HELP
  • 00:24:08.090 --> 00:24:09.230
  • FROM THE WORD OF GOD, WE NEED
  • 00:24:09.230 --> 00:24:11.080
  • HELP FROM GODLY FRIENDS, AND CAN
  • 00:24:11.080 --> 00:24:12.200
  • I SAY ONE MORE THING JUST TO TAG
  • 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:14.100
  • ONTO WHAT YOU SAID THERE, MAX?
  • 00:24:14.100 --> 00:24:15.110
  • EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A DIAGNOSIS
  • 00:24:15.110 --> 00:24:17.220
  • OF DEPRESSION, I HAVE REARRANGED
  • 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:20.150
  • THE LETTERS: IF YOU TAKE THE
  • 00:24:20.150 --> 00:24:22.290
  • WORD "DEPRESSION" AND YOU
  • 00:24:22.290 --> 00:24:24.220
  • REARRANGE THE LETTERS, WHAT YOU
  • 00:24:24.220 --> 00:24:26.150
  • GET IS "I PRESSED ON," AND THAT
  • 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:29.160
  • IS MY STORY.
  • 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:30.130
  • - MAX: WOW.
  • 00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:31.080
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:24:31.080 --> 00:24:32.020
  • - SHEILA: I PRESS ON TOWARD THE
  • 00:24:32.020 --> 00:24:32.240
  • GOAL TO FINISH THE RACE.
  • 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.280
  • SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH
  • 00:24:34.280 --> 00:24:36.150
  • UNDERSTANDING WHAT MIGHT BE TRUE
  • 00:24:37.190 --> 00:24:40.190
  • IN THIS WORLD, BUT BECAUSE OF
  • 00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:42.120
  • THE INDWELLING HOLY SPIRIT,
  • 00:24:42.120 --> 00:24:44.270
  • BECAUSE OF CHRIST, BECAUSE OF A
  • 00:24:44.270 --> 00:24:46.060
  • COMMUNITY OF BELIEVERS THAT
  • 00:24:46.060 --> 00:24:47.100
  • WE'RE PART OF, EVERY SINGLE DAY,
  • 00:24:47.100 --> 00:24:50.030
  • I PRESS ON TO KNOW HIM MORE.
  • 00:24:50.030 --> 00:24:52.040
  • - MAX: SO YOU TOOK HELP FROM
  • 00:24:52.040 --> 00:24:54.030
  • ALL ANGLES AND CONTINUE, RIGHT?
  • 00:24:54.030 --> 00:24:54.290
  • - SHEILA: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:24:54.290 --> 00:24:56.140
  • - MAX: CONTINUE TO RECEIVE HELP
  • 00:24:56.140 --> 00:24:57.210
  • FROM ALL ANGLES?
  • 00:24:57.210 --> 00:24:59.080
  • - SHEILA: I DO.
  • 00:24:59.080 --> 00:24:59.240
  • - MAX: AVAIL YOURSELF OF
  • 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:00.250
  • EVERYTHING?
  • 00:25:00.250 --> 00:25:01.080
  • - SHEILA: YEAH.
  • 00:25:01.080 --> 00:25:02.110
  • - MAX: AND YOU DON'T-- YOU'RE
  • 00:25:02.110 --> 00:25:03.130
  • NOT TRYING TO PROJECT THIS IMAGE
  • 00:25:03.130 --> 00:25:05.150
  • THAT YOU'VE GOT IT ALL TOGETHER?
  • 00:25:05.150 --> 00:25:06.110
  • - SHEILA: NO, NO.
  • 00:25:06.110 --> 00:25:07.150
  • I THINK PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO TAKE
  • 00:25:07.150 --> 00:25:08.230
  • A WEE LOOK AT ME.
  • 00:25:08.230 --> 00:25:09.080
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:25:09.080 --> 00:25:10.230
  • IT'S CLEAR I DON'T QUITE HAVE IT
  • 00:25:10.230 --> 00:25:11.170
  • ALL TOGETHER, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:25:11.170 --> 00:25:12.130
  • THAT'S THE GREAT THING I DON'T
  • 00:25:12.130 --> 00:25:13.080
  • I THINK ONE OF THE MOST
  • 00:25:15.220 --> 00:25:16.280
  • LIBERATING THINGS IS REALIZING
  • 00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:17.270
  • THAT JESUS INVITES US TO COME AS
  • 00:25:17.270 --> 00:25:19.020
  • WE ARE, NOT AS WE WISH WE WERE.
  • 00:25:19.020 --> 00:25:21.020
  • C.S. LEWIS WROTE ABOUT THAT,
  • 00:25:21.020 --> 00:25:23.110
  • THAT WE HOLD UP BEFORE GOD
  • 00:25:23.110 --> 00:25:24.210
  • NOT WHAT WE WISH WAS IN US
  • 00:25:24.210 --> 00:25:26.240
  • BUT WHAT IS IN US,
  • 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:27.220
  • AND WHEN YOU REALIZE-- IT'S
  • 00:25:27.220 --> 00:25:29.110
  • SHE ASKED ME ONE TIME, SHE SAID,
  • 00:25:33.120 --> 00:25:34.090
  • "SHEILA, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF A
  • 00:25:34.090 --> 00:25:35.010
  • MOVIE WAS MADE OF YOUR LIFE AND
  • 00:25:35.010 --> 00:25:35.230
  • IT WAS PUT ON TELEVISION,
  • 00:25:35.230 --> 00:25:37.070
  • EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING YOU'VE
  • 00:25:37.070 --> 00:25:38.240
  • EVER DONE, EVERYTHING YOU'VE
  • 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:39.240
  • EVER SAID?"
  • 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:40.290
  • AND, YOU KNOW, I OFTEN ASK THAT
  • 00:25:40.290 --> 00:25:41.270
  • OF MY AUDIENCE: "HOW WOULD
  • 00:25:41.270 --> 00:25:43.000
  • YOU FEEL?"
  • 00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:43.290
  • AND SHE SAID, "THE TRUTH IS GOD
  • 00:25:43.290 --> 00:25:45.260
  • HAS SEEN YOUR MOVIE, AND HE
  • 00:25:45.260 --> 00:25:46.160
  • LOVES YOU.
  • 00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:47.210
  • THERE'S NOTHING THAT GOD DOESN'T
  • 00:25:48.010 --> 00:25:51.010
  • KNOW ABOUT YOU AND LOVES
  • 00:25:51.010 --> 00:25:51.210
  • YOU PASSIONATELY."
  • 00:25:51.210 --> 00:25:54.070
  • - MAX: YEAH, HE'S SEEN US FROM
  • 00:25:54.070 --> 00:25:55.050
  • BEGINNING TO END, AS MY PREACHER
  • 00:25:55.050 --> 00:25:56.090
  • FRIEND USED TO SAY, "FROM BIRTH
  • 00:25:56.090 --> 00:25:57.130
  • TO HEARSE."
  • 00:25:57.130 --> 00:25:59.220
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:01.220
  • - SHEILA: THAT'S GREAT.
  • 00:26:01.220 --> 00:26:02.250
  • - MAX: "FROM BIRTH TO HEARSE,"
  • 00:26:02.250 --> 00:26:03.210
  • AND HE WANTS US IN HIS KINGDOM,
  • 00:26:03.210 --> 00:26:04.130
  • HE DOES.
  • 00:26:04.130 --> 00:26:05.020
  • TELL US SOMETHIN' ELSE
  • 00:26:05.020 --> 00:26:06.060
  • ABOUT THIS.
  • 00:26:06.060 --> 00:26:07.270
  • MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHIN' I'VE NOT
  • 00:26:07.270 --> 00:26:09.030
  • ASKED YOU; I'VE SKIPPED.
  • 00:26:09.030 --> 00:26:11.210
  • IS THERE SOMETHIN' ELSE ABOUT
  • 00:26:11.210 --> 00:26:12.210
  • THIS MESSAGE THAT YOU THINK IS
  • 00:26:12.210 --> 00:26:13.200
  • REALLY ESSENTIAL FOR US TO HEAR?
  • 00:26:13.250 --> 00:26:16.250
  • - SHEILA: ONE OF THE THINGS,
  • 00:26:16.250 --> 00:26:17.170
  • MAX, THAT I THINK REALLY MATTERS
  • 00:26:17.170 --> 00:26:19.010
  • IS, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE
  • 00:26:19.010 --> 00:26:20.120
  • WAY YOU ACT, YOU HAVE TO CHANGE
  • 00:26:20.120 --> 00:26:21.080
  • THE WAY YOU THINK.
  • 00:26:21.080 --> 00:26:22.240
  • YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE HAVE
  • 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.060
  • TO RE-WALLPAPER OUR MINDS.
  • 00:26:24.060 --> 00:26:25.150
  • WE'RE SO USED TO THINKIN' THE
  • 00:26:25.150 --> 00:26:27.250
  • SAME OLD NEGATIVE THOUGHTS OVER
  • 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:29.020
  • AND OVER AND OVER, AND, FOR ME,
  • 00:26:29.020 --> 00:26:31.060
  • IT'S LIKE I LOVE AT THE END OF
  • 00:26:31.060 --> 00:26:34.020
  • EPHESIANS 6, WHERE IT TALKS
  • 00:26:34.020 --> 00:26:36.120
  • ABOUT TAKING UP THE SWORD, WHICH
  • 00:26:36.260 --> 00:26:39.260
  • IS THE WORD OF GOD, AND THE WORD
  • 00:26:39.260 --> 00:26:41.220
  • THAT'S USED FOR "SWORD" ISN'T
  • 00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:43.120
  • THE WORD THAT'S USED FOR A
  • 00:26:43.120 --> 00:26:44.010
  • LONG SWORD.
  • 00:26:44.010 --> 00:26:44.240
  • IT'S A DAGGER.
  • 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.170
  • AND THE WORD IS NOT A CAPITAL
  • 00:26:45.170 --> 00:26:47.010
  • "W," WHICH WOULD MEAN THE WHOLE
  • 00:26:47.010 --> 00:26:48.060
  • OF THE WORD OF GOD.
  • 00:26:48.060 --> 00:26:49.150
  • IT'S THE SMALL "W," "RHEMA."
  • 00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:51.060
  • IT MEANS, YOU KNOW, PARTS OF
  • 00:26:51.060 --> 00:26:52.210
  • THE WORD OF GOD.
  • 00:26:52.210 --> 00:26:53.110
  • SO WE EACH FIND OUR DAGGER.
  • 00:26:53.110 --> 00:26:55.150
  • YOU KNOW, IF YOU STRUGGLE WITH
  • 00:26:55.150 --> 00:26:56.060
  • ANXIETY, THEN YOU FIND A
  • 00:26:56.060 --> 00:26:57.270
  • SCRIPTURE THAT DEALS WITH THAT.
  • 00:26:57.270 --> 00:26:58.280
  • IF YOU DEAL WITH WHATEVER-- YOU
  • 00:26:58.280 --> 00:27:00.260
  • HAVE THOSE DAGGERS READY SO
  • 00:27:00.260 --> 00:27:03.030
  • THAT, WHEN THE ENEMY COMES UP
  • 00:27:03.030 --> 00:27:05.080
  • AGAINST YOU-- LIKE, I USED TO--
  • 00:27:05.080 --> 00:27:07.220
  • WHEN I LIVED WITH SO MUCH FEAR,
  • 00:27:07.220 --> 00:27:08.140
  • I WOULD REMEMBER PSALM 27,
  • 00:27:08.140 --> 00:27:10.260
  • VERSE 1, "THE LORD IS MY LIGHT
  • 00:27:10.260 --> 00:27:11.270
  • AND MY SALVATION.
  • 00:27:11.270 --> 00:27:14.040
  • WHOM SHALL I FEAR?
  • 00:27:14.040 --> 00:27:15.110
  • THE LORD IS THE STRONGHOLD OF
  • 00:27:15.110 --> 00:27:16.090
  • MY LIFE.
  • 00:27:16.090 --> 00:27:17.150
  • OF WHOM SHALL I BE AFRAID?"
  • 00:27:17.150 --> 00:27:19.080
  • SO HAVE THOSE READY WHEN THAT
  • 00:27:19.080 --> 00:27:20.280
  • ENEMY COMES AFTER YOU BECAUSE
  • 00:27:20.280 --> 00:27:22.180
  • ALL HE CAN DO IS THROW
  • 00:27:22.180 --> 00:27:23.200
  • THINGS AT US.
  • 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:24.250
  • HE HAS NO IDEA IF WE'LL
  • 00:27:24.250 --> 00:27:26.100
  • BELIEVE HIM.
  • 00:27:26.100 --> 00:27:27.000
  • HE'S NOT OMNISCIENT.
  • 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.140
  • HE'S NOT GOD.
  • 00:27:28.140 --> 00:27:29.100
  • HE'LL THROW THINGS AT US, AND WE
  • 00:27:29.100 --> 00:27:30.190
  • COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, STICK OUR
  • 00:27:30.190 --> 00:27:32.150
  • FEET DOWN AND STAND UP STRONG,
  • 00:27:32.150 --> 00:27:34.110
  • AND THROW THE WORD OF GOD RIGHT
  • 00:27:34.110 --> 00:27:35.250
  • BACK IN HIS FACE.
  • 00:27:35.250 --> 00:27:37.040
  • - MAX: YEAH, AND HE HATES THE
  • 00:27:37.040 --> 00:27:38.010
  • WORD OF GOD.
  • 00:27:38.010 --> 00:27:39.060
  • - SHEILA: HE DOES, WHICH IS WHY
  • 00:27:39.060 --> 00:27:39.280
  • I LOVE IT.
  • 00:27:39.280 --> 00:27:40.120
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:27:40.120 --> 00:27:40.270
  • - MAX: HE DOES, HE DOES.
  • 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.160
  • YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO THINK OF IT
  • 00:27:46.150 --> 00:27:49.150
  • THIS WAY, THAT JUST BECAUSE WE
  • 00:27:49.150 --> 00:27:51.050
  • HAVE A THOUGHT, WE DON'T HAVE TO
  • 00:27:51.050 --> 00:27:52.160
  • THINK IT, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:53.240
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:54.190
  • - SHEILA: THAT'S GOOD.
  • 00:27:54.190 --> 00:27:55.070
  • - MAX: 'CAUSE WE GET THESE
  • 00:27:55.070 --> 00:27:56.170
  • THOUGHTS THAT COME AT US ALL THE
  • 00:27:56.170 --> 00:27:57.220
  • TIME, AND WE THINK THAT JUST
  • 00:27:57.220 --> 00:27:59.200
  • 'CAUSE IT'S IN OUR HEAD, WE HAVE
  • 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:00.150
  • TO LET IT COME IN AND
  • 00:28:00.150 --> 00:28:01.090
  • TAKE UP RESIDENCE.
  • 00:28:01.090 --> 00:28:02.140
  • THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS WE
  • 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:03.270
  • CAN TAKE EVERY THOUGHT CAPTIVE--
  • 00:28:03.270 --> 00:28:05.150
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:28:05.150 --> 00:28:06.010
  • -- AND SAY, "WAIT A SECOND,
  • 00:28:06.010 --> 00:28:07.060
  • THAT'S NOT TRUE.
  • 00:28:07.060 --> 00:28:09.180
  • I'VE READ THE BIBLE," OR "I'VE
  • 00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:10.250
  • READ PORTIONS OF IT, AND THE
  • 00:28:10.250 --> 00:28:12.180
  • LORD IS MY SHEPHERD," AND WE CAN
  • 00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:14.030
  • STAND AGAINST IT WITH THAT
  • 00:28:14.030 --> 00:28:16.110
  • SCRIPTURE, TAKING THOSE
  • 00:28:16.110 --> 00:28:18.090
  • THOUGHTS CAPTIVE--
  • 00:28:18.090 --> 00:28:19.060
  • - SHEILA: I LOVE THAT.
  • 00:28:19.060 --> 00:28:19.240
  • - MAX: -- RENEWING OUR MIND.
  • 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:20.150
  • - SHEILA: YEAH, CHANGES
  • 00:28:20.150 --> 00:28:21.030
  • EVERYTHING.
  • 00:28:21.030 --> 00:28:22.040
  • - MAX: YOU'RE A SPECIAL,
  • 00:28:22.040 --> 00:28:23.280
  • SPECIAL PERSON.
  • 00:28:23.280 --> 00:28:24.280
  • - SHEILA: THANKS, MAX.
  • 00:28:24.280 --> 00:28:25.170
  • THANKS FOR HAVIN' ME
  • 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:26.240
  • AS YOUR GUEST.
  • 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:27.210
  • THIS WAS FUN.
  • 00:28:27.210 --> 00:28:28.250
  • - MAX: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:28:28.250 --> 00:28:29.240
  • IT WENT TOO FAST.
  • 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:30.140
  • - SHEILA: IT DID, JUST
  • 00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:31.020
  • LIKE THAT.
  • 00:28:31.020 --> 00:28:31.140
  • - MAX: IT WENT TOO FAST.
  • 00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:32.090
  • WE WERE JUST GETTIN' STARTED.
  • 00:28:32.090 --> 00:28:33.070
  • MAYBE WE'LL GET ANOTHER CHANCE.
  • 00:28:33.070 --> 00:28:34.260
  • - SHEILA: THAT WOULD BE FUN.
  • 00:28:34.260 --> 00:28:37.080
  • - MAX: THANKS.
  • 00:28:37.080 --> 00:28:38.000
  • ALL THE VERY BEST TO YA.
  • 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:39.040
  • WOULD YOU MIND OFFERING A PRAYER
  • 00:28:39.040 --> 00:28:40.010
  • FOR ALL WHO ARE LISTENING AND
  • 00:28:40.010 --> 00:28:42.020
  • ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WHO
  • 00:28:42.020 --> 00:28:43.230
  • NEED HEALING?
  • 00:28:43.230 --> 00:28:44.170
  • - SHEILA: I WOULD LOVE
  • 00:28:44.170 --> 00:28:45.050
  • TO DO THAT.
  • 00:28:45.050 --> 00:28:47.010
  • NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE,
  • 00:28:47.010 --> 00:28:47.190
  • GOD SEES YOU.
  • 00:28:47.190 --> 00:28:49.090
  • HE KNOWS YOUR HEART.
  • 00:28:49.090 --> 00:28:52.020
  • I'D BE SO HONORED TO LIFT YOU
  • 00:28:52.020 --> 00:28:53.080
  • UP IN PRAYER.
  • 00:28:53.080 --> 00:28:55.270
  • FATHER GOD, THANK YOU THAT YOU
  • 00:28:55.270 --> 00:28:57.290
  • ARE A MERCIFUL, KIND FATHER.
  • 00:28:58.150 --> 00:29:01.170
  • THANK YOU THAT YOU SEE
  • 00:29:01.170 --> 00:29:03.230
  • EVERYTHING THAT'S TRUE ABOUT US,
  • 00:29:03.230 --> 00:29:04.290
  • EVEN THE THINGS WE TRY TO HIDE,
  • 00:29:04.290 --> 00:29:07.130
  • AND YOU WANT TO SHINE YOUR LIGHT
  • 00:29:07.130 --> 00:29:10.040
  • INTO THE DARKEST PLACES.
  • 00:29:10.040 --> 00:29:11.200
  • LORD, I PRAY FOR ANYONE WHO'S
  • 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.000
  • STRUGGLING WITH DEPRESSION, WITH
  • 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.200
  • ANXIETY, WITH SHAME, WITH
  • 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.250
  • FEELING THEY'LL NEVER BE ENOUGH.
  • 00:29:17.250 --> 00:29:20.080
  • THANK YOU, JESUS, THAT ON THE
  • 00:29:20.080 --> 00:29:22.070
  • CROSS YOU TOOK EVERYTHING
  • 00:29:22.070 --> 00:29:22.290
  • ON YOURSELF.
  • 00:29:23.080 --> 00:29:26.080
  • YOU PAID THE BILL IN FULL SO
  • 00:29:26.080 --> 00:29:28.070
  • THAT IN YOU WE CAN BE MORE
  • 00:29:28.070 --> 00:29:30.280
  • THAN ENOUGH.
  • 00:29:30.280 --> 00:29:32.170
  • I PRAY YOUR PEACE AND YOUR GRACE
  • 00:29:32.170 --> 00:29:33.200
  • AND YOUR MERCY ON EVERYONE
  • 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.120
  • WATCHING IN RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:29:36.120 --> 00:29:37.280
  • THANK YOU THAT YOU LOVE US.
  • 00:29:37.280 --> 00:29:39.160
  • IN THE WONDERFUL, POWERFUL,
  • 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.050
  • BEAUTIFUL NAME OF JESUS, AMEN.
  • 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.200
  • - MAX: AND ALL THE CHURCH SAID,
  • 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:47.140
  • "AMEN, AMEN, AMEN."
  • 00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:48.290
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:29:49.110 --> 00:29:52.110
  • - MAX: AMEN, AMEN, I'M SO GLAD
  • 00:29:55.040 --> 00:29:58.040
  • WE'RE HERE NOW TO OPEN GOD'S
  • 00:29:58.040 --> 00:30:00.120
  • WORD AND ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER.
  • 00:30:00.120 --> 00:30:02.000
  • I HEARD A STORY JUST THE OTHER
  • 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.070
  • DAY ABOUT A FELLOW WHO DECIDED
  • 00:30:04.070 --> 00:30:05.220
  • IT WAS TIME FOR HIM TO LOSE SOME
  • 00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:08.200
  • WEIGHT, AND HE TOLD HIS WIFE,
  • 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:10.010
  • "I'M NOT GONNA STOP AT THAT
  • 00:30:10.010 --> 00:30:11.140
  • BAKERY ANYMORE ON THE WAY HOME
  • 00:30:11.140 --> 00:30:13.010
  • OR ON THE WAY TO WORK."
  • 00:30:14.190 --> 00:30:17.190
  • WELL, SHE WAS SURPRISED WHEN
  • 00:30:17.190 --> 00:30:18.210
  • HE CAME HOME THAT DAY,
  • 00:30:18.210 --> 00:30:20.290
  • CARRYING A CAKE FROM THE BAKERY,
  • 00:30:20.290 --> 00:30:22.250
  • AND SHE SAID,
  • 00:30:22.250 --> 00:30:24.210
  • "WELL, WHAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:30:24.210 --> 00:30:25.230
  • YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T GONNA STOP
  • 00:30:25.230 --> 00:30:26.150
  • AT THE BAKERY."
  • 00:30:26.150 --> 00:30:27.120
  • HE SAID, "WELL, HONEY,
  • 00:30:27.120 --> 00:30:28.150
  • I DROVE BY THE BAKERY,
  • 00:30:28.150 --> 00:30:30.160
  • AND I SAW THIS BEAUTIFUL CAKE IN
  • 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:32.120
  • THE DISPLAY WINDOW, AND I SAID,
  • 00:30:32.120 --> 00:30:34.100
  • 'GOD, SHOULD I BUY THAT CAKE?
  • 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:37.240
  • LORD, IF YOU WANT ME TO BUY THAT
  • 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.080
  • CAKE, I'M GONNA DRIVE AROUND THE
  • 00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:41.230
  • BAKERY, AND IF THERE'S AN OPEN
  • 00:30:41.230 --> 00:30:43.120
  • PARKING SPOT, THAT'S YOUR SIGN
  • 00:30:43.120 --> 00:30:44.240
  • TO ME.'"
  • 00:30:45.020 --> 00:30:48.020
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:30:48.020 --> 00:30:49.210
  • SO HE SAID, "HONEY, I DROVE
  • 00:30:49.210 --> 00:30:51.290
  • AROUND THE BAKERY, AND THERE WAS
  • 00:30:51.290 --> 00:30:54.020
  • AN OPEN PARKING PLACE.
  • 00:30:54.210 --> 00:30:57.210
  • IT TOOK ME TEN LOOPS AROUND THE
  • 00:30:57.210 --> 00:30:59.090
  • BAKERY TO FIND IT, BUT THERE WAS
  • 00:30:59.090 --> 00:31:00.050
  • AN OPEN PARKING PLACE."
  • 00:31:00.050 --> 00:31:01.230
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:31:02.280 --> 00:31:05.280
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:31:05.280 --> 00:31:08.000
  • YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE TRY TO
  • 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:09.060
  • MAKE GOD DO WHAT WE WANT HIM TO
  • 00:31:09.060 --> 00:31:11.020
  • DO FOR US, BUT THERE'S ONE THING
  • 00:31:11.270 --> 00:31:14.270
  • THAT HE WANTS US TO GIVE TO
  • 00:31:14.270 --> 00:31:16.180
  • OTHERS, AND IT MAY BE THE MOST,
  • 00:31:16.180 --> 00:31:18.160
  • I THINK, MAY BE ONE OF THE MOST
  • 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.030
  • CHALLENGING THINGS IN LIFE, AND
  • 00:31:21.030 --> 00:31:23.140
  • THAT IS TO FORGIVE OUR ENEMIES,
  • 00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:26.020
  • TO FORGIVE OUR ENEMIES.
  • 00:31:26.020 --> 00:31:29.010
  • IT'S NOT EASY IS IT?
  • 00:31:29.010 --> 00:31:30.090
  • YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO
  • 00:31:30.090 --> 00:31:32.080
  • HAVE BROUGHT PAIN INTO
  • 00:31:32.080 --> 00:31:34.130
  • YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:31:34.130 --> 00:31:36.090
  • BOY, THEY CAN TAKE A LOT OF JOY
  • 00:31:36.090 --> 00:31:37.040
  • OUT OF YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:31:37.040 --> 00:31:39.060
  • I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN
  • 00:31:39.060 --> 00:31:40.250
  • HIGH SCHOOL.
  • 00:31:40.250 --> 00:31:43.240
  • THERE WAS A FELLOW.
  • 00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:44.130
  • WELL, I CALL HIM "BUSTER."
  • 00:31:44.130 --> 00:31:46.290
  • I'VE CHANGED HIS NAME BECAUSE
  • 00:31:46.290 --> 00:31:48.070
  • THE STORY ABOUT BUSTER IS
  • 00:31:48.070 --> 00:31:49.020
  • NOT REALLY COMPLIMENTARY.
  • 00:31:49.020 --> 00:31:50.040
  • AND HE WAS A "BUSTER."
  • 00:31:50.040 --> 00:31:52.040
  • BOY, HE COULD BUST THROUGH
  • 00:31:52.040 --> 00:31:52.250
  • THOSE OFFENSIVE LINES,
  • 00:31:52.250 --> 00:31:54.120
  • AND HE COULD BUST A BASEBALL
  • 00:31:54.120 --> 00:31:55.240
  • OVER THE OUTFIELD FENCE,
  • 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.160
  • AND HE HAD THESE BIG
  • 00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:58.180
  • LINEBACKER ARMS AND A
  • 00:31:58.180 --> 00:32:00.110
  • TIGER'S SNARL, AND YOU DIDN'T
  • 00:32:00.110 --> 00:32:02.050
  • WANNA GET IN BUSTER'S ORBIT, BUT
  • 00:32:02.050 --> 00:32:03.270
  • ONE FRIDAY NIGHT, I DID, AND HE
  • 00:32:03.270 --> 00:32:06.230
  • WAS EMBOLDENED BY A BELLY FULL
  • 00:32:07.030 --> 00:32:10.030
  • OF BEER AND A BUNCH OF BUDDIES,
  • 00:32:10.030 --> 00:32:11.170
  • AND HE CAME AFTER ME IN A
  • 00:32:11.170 --> 00:32:13.020
  • PARKING LOT.
  • 00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:16.140
  • I MEAN, HE CAME AFTER ME AND
  • 00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:17.060
  • SHOVED ME THROUGH THE OPEN DOOR
  • 00:32:17.060 --> 00:32:18.210
  • OF A SEDAN, PUSHED ME IN, AND HE
  • 00:32:18.210 --> 00:32:20.260
  • STARTED RESHAPING MY FACE.
  • 00:32:21.150 --> 00:32:24.150
  • I MEAN, BUSTER ON MAX WAS LIKE A
  • 00:32:24.150 --> 00:32:26.150
  • GRIZZLY BEAR ON A SQUIRREL.
  • 00:32:26.150 --> 00:32:28.110
  • I HAD NO HOPE.
  • 00:32:28.110 --> 00:32:30.090
  • SOMEBODY GRABBED HIM BY THE
  • 00:32:30.090 --> 00:32:31.150
  • ANKLES AND PULLED HIM OUT, AND I
  • 00:32:31.150 --> 00:32:33.030
  • CLIMBED OUT, AND MY EYES WERE
  • 00:32:33.030 --> 00:32:34.080
  • PUFFY, AND MY NOSE WAS BLEEDING,
  • 00:32:34.080 --> 00:32:36.070
  • AND I WENT HOME, AND I THOUGHT,
  • 00:32:36.070 --> 00:32:38.250
  • "WHAT IN THE WORLD DID I DO?"
  • 00:32:38.250 --> 00:32:40.080
  • AND WHEN I SAW HIM THE NEXT WEEK
  • 00:32:40.080 --> 00:32:41.170
  • AT SCHOOL, I SAID, "BUSTER, WHAT
  • 00:32:41.170 --> 00:32:42.160
  • GOT INTO YOU?
  • 00:32:43.190 --> 00:32:46.190
  • WHY DID YOU BEAT ME UP?"
  • 00:32:46.190 --> 00:32:48.290
  • AND HE SAID, "YOU KNOW, I DON'T
  • 00:32:48.290 --> 00:32:50.200
  • THINK I KNOW.
  • 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.250
  • I WAS JUST DRUNK."
  • 00:32:52.250 --> 00:32:53.280
  • AND I THOUGHT,
  • 00:32:53.280 --> 00:32:56.070
  • "WELL, THAT HURTS MORE
  • 00:32:56.070 --> 00:32:57.220
  • THAN THE BEAT-UP.
  • 00:32:57.220 --> 00:32:58.160
  • I WAS JUST THE NEAREST
  • 00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.130
  • PUNCHING BAG."
  • 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.200
  • YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS
  • 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:04.190
  • AS I'VE BEEN A PASTOR, 40 YEARS
  • 00:33:04.190 --> 00:33:06.010
  • NOW I'VE BEEN A PASTOR, AND I
  • 00:33:06.010 --> 00:33:08.100
  • THINK ABOUT BUSTER ON OCCASION.
  • 00:33:08.100 --> 00:33:11.080
  • WHEN THE LADY TOLD ME HERE SOME
  • 00:33:11.080 --> 00:33:13.210
  • TIME AGO ABOUT THE HUSBAND WHO
  • 00:33:13.290 --> 00:33:16.290
  • MISTREATED HER, I THOUGHT
  • 00:33:18.250 --> 00:33:21.250
  • ABOUT BUSTER.
  • 00:33:21.250 --> 00:33:23.250
  • WHEN A FRIEND OF MINE GOT FIRED
  • 00:33:23.250 --> 00:33:25.050
  • JUST BECAUSE THE BOSS WAS READY
  • 00:33:25.050 --> 00:33:27.040
  • TO CLEAN HOUSE, AND HE WAS ONLY
  • 00:33:27.040 --> 00:33:28.190
  • SIX MONTHS FROM RETIREMENT-- MY
  • 00:33:28.190 --> 00:33:30.070
  • FRIEND GOT KICKED OUT--
  • 00:33:30.070 --> 00:33:31.090
  • I THOUGHT OF BUSTER.
  • 00:33:32.250 --> 00:33:35.250
  • I THINK ABOUT BUSTER WHENEVER I
  • 00:33:35.250 --> 00:33:36.190
  • HEAR ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO USES
  • 00:33:36.190 --> 00:33:39.080
  • THEIR AUTHORITY OR THEIR
  • 00:33:39.080 --> 00:33:40.220
  • POSITION OR THEIR STRENGTH TO
  • 00:33:40.220 --> 00:33:42.020
  • HURT SOMEBODY WHO REALLY
  • 00:33:42.020 --> 00:33:44.280
  • CAN'T RESPOND.
  • 00:33:44.280 --> 00:33:46.210
  • OF COURSE, MY BUSTER IS A GADFLY
  • 00:33:46.210 --> 00:33:48.050
  • YOUR BUSTER WAS YOUR DAD, AND HE
  • 00:33:51.190 --> 00:33:52.200
  • CAME AT YOU DAILY.
  • 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.240
  • YOUR BUSTER IS YOUR SPOUSE-- AT
  • 00:33:54.270 --> 00:33:57.270
  • LEAST USED TO BE YOUR SPOUSE.
  • 00:33:57.270 --> 00:33:59.240
  • HE LOVED YA BACK WHEN YOU WERE
  • 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.210
  • BUT THEN YOU GOT OLDER AND
  • 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:04.170
  • ROUNDER, AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN
  • 00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:05.080
  • HIM IN A WHILE.
  • 00:34:05.080 --> 00:34:07.030
  • BUSTERS, THEY CAN TAKE A LOT OUT
  • 00:34:07.030 --> 00:34:09.230
  • OF LIFE.
  • 00:34:09.230 --> 00:34:11.190
  • AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S SO
  • 00:34:11.190 --> 00:34:14.120
  • CHALLENGING FOR US TO FORGIVE
  • 00:34:14.120 --> 00:34:16.070
  • PEOPLE BECAUSE THESE BUSTERS,
  • 00:34:16.150 --> 00:34:19.150
  • THEY TAKE SO MUCH.
  • 00:34:19.230 --> 00:34:22.230
  • BUT, YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE URGES
  • 00:34:22.230 --> 00:34:24.170
  • US TO TAKE FORGIVENESS
  • 00:34:24.170 --> 00:34:27.030
  • SERIOUSLY, AND I WANT US TO TALK
  • 00:34:27.030 --> 00:34:28.220
  • ABOUT FORGIVING THOSE WHO HAVE
  • 00:34:29.020 --> 00:34:32.020
  • HURT US.
  • 00:34:32.020 --> 00:34:34.220
  • THERE'S A PASSAGE IN THE BOOK OF
  • 00:34:34.220 --> 00:34:36.130
  • EPHESIANS, EPHESIANS CHAPTER 4,
  • 00:34:37.210 --> 00:34:40.210
  • THAT URGES US "FORGIVE ONE
  • 00:34:42.180 --> 00:34:45.180
  • ANOTHER AS QUICKLY AND AS
  • 00:34:45.180 --> 00:34:48.090
  • THOROUGHLY AS GOD IN CHRIST
  • 00:34:48.090 --> 00:34:49.260
  • FORGAVE YOU."
  • 00:34:50.020 --> 00:34:53.020
  • DID YOU KNOW THAT
  • 00:34:53.020 --> 00:34:54.200
  • RESEARCHERS ARE FINDING DIRECT
  • 00:34:54.200 --> 00:34:56.100
  • LINKS BETWEEN HAPPINESS AND
  • 00:34:56.100 --> 00:34:57.260
  • FORGIVENESS?
  • 00:34:57.260 --> 00:35:00.170
  • I TALK ABOUT THIS IN A BOOK I
  • 00:35:00.170 --> 00:35:03.020
  • RECENTLY WROTE, AND IT'S CALLED
  • 00:35:03.020 --> 00:35:05.090
  • "HOW HAPPINESS HAPPENS," AND
  • 00:35:05.090 --> 00:35:07.060
  • WE'RE FINDING THAT HAPPINESS IS
  • 00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:09.050
  • LOST WHERE THERE IS NO
  • 00:35:09.050 --> 00:35:11.260
  • FORGIVENESS, BUT WHERE THERE IS
  • 00:35:11.290 --> 00:35:14.290
  • FORGIVENESS, HAPPINESS RETURNS.
  • 00:35:14.290 --> 00:35:17.180
  • ONE PARTICULAR RESEARCH PROJECT
  • 00:35:17.180 --> 00:35:20.000
  • LISTED EIGHT CHARACTERISTICS OF
  • 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.290
  • HAPPY PEOPLE.
  • 00:35:21.290 --> 00:35:23.180
  • OF THOSE EIGHT CHARACTERISTICS,
  • 00:35:23.180 --> 00:35:25.070
  • FOUR HAD TO DO WITH FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:35:25.070 --> 00:35:27.280
  • NOTHING SUCKS THE JOY OUT OF OUR
  • 00:35:28.080 --> 00:35:31.080
  • LIVES MORE THAN ANGER AND
  • 00:35:31.080 --> 00:35:32.260
  • RESENTMENT, BUT IT'S NOT EASY,
  • 00:35:32.260 --> 00:35:35.190
  • IT'S NOT EASY TO FORGIVE.
  • 00:35:35.190 --> 00:35:37.280
  • I THINK THAT'S WHY THE APOSTLE
  • 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.140
  • PAUL-- LOOK WHAT HE SAID THERE.
  • 00:35:40.140 --> 00:35:42.100
  • HE SAID, "FORGIVE ONE ANOTHER AS
  • 00:35:42.100 --> 00:35:44.090
  • QUICKLY AND AS THOROUGHLY AS GOD
  • 00:35:44.090 --> 00:35:47.060
  • IN CHRIST FORGAVE YOU."
  • 00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:51.030
  • THERE GOES THE APOSTLE PAUL.
  • 00:35:51.030 --> 00:35:52.170
  • IT WASN'T ENOUGH FOR HIM TO SAY,
  • 00:35:52.170 --> 00:35:53.250
  • "FORGIVE ONE ANOTHER AS MUCH AS
  • 00:35:53.250 --> 00:35:55.200
  • YOU WANT TO FORGIVE SOMEBODY,"
  • 00:35:55.200 --> 00:35:57.010
  • OR "FORGIVE SOMEBODY AS MUCH AS
  • 00:35:57.010 --> 00:35:59.010
  • SOMEBODY FORGAVE YOU," OR
  • 00:35:59.010 --> 00:36:00.200
  • "FORGIVE SOMEBODY AS MUCH AS
  • 00:36:00.200 --> 00:36:03.020
  • YOU'RE CONSCIENCE DICTATES."
  • 00:36:03.020 --> 00:36:03.270
  • BUT HE SAYS,
  • 00:36:03.270 --> 00:36:06.000
  • WHEN IT COMES TO FORGIVENESS,
  • 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.170
  • OUR MODEL IS JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:36:08.170 --> 00:36:11.010
  • SO IF WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW
  • 00:36:11.010 --> 00:36:12.260
  • CHRIST HAS FORGIVEN, HOW WE ARE
  • 00:36:12.260 --> 00:36:15.140
  • TO FORGIVE OTHERS, WE NEED TO
  • 00:36:15.140 --> 00:36:17.280
  • LOOK AT HOW CHRIST HAS
  • 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.150
  • FORGIVEN US.
  • 00:36:20.150 --> 00:36:23.070
  • AND I THINK THERE'S A GREAT
  • 00:36:23.070 --> 00:36:25.200
  • EXAMPLE OF THE FORGIVENESS OF
  • 00:36:25.200 --> 00:36:26.200
  • CHRIST, AND IT'S FOUND IN THE
  • 00:36:26.200 --> 00:36:28.020
  • BOOK OF JOHN, AND IT OCCURRED ON
  • 00:36:28.020 --> 00:36:31.020
  • THE NIGHT BEFORE THE CRUCIFIXION
  • 00:36:31.020 --> 00:36:31.260
  • OF CHRIST.
  • 00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:34.060
  • IT'S IN JOHN CHAPTER 13,
  • 00:36:34.060 --> 00:36:35.040
  • "JESUS, KNOWING THAT THE FATHER
  • 00:36:42.110 --> 00:36:43.150
  • HAD GIVEN ALL THINGS INTO HIS
  • 00:36:43.150 --> 00:36:45.040
  • HANDS, THAT HE HAD COME FROM
  • 00:36:45.040 --> 00:36:45.240
  • GOD AND WAS GOING TO GOD,
  • 00:36:45.240 --> 00:36:47.110
  • ROSE FROM THE SUPPER AND LAID
  • 00:36:47.110 --> 00:36:49.080
  • ASIDE HIS GARMENTS, AND HE
  • 00:36:49.080 --> 00:36:51.050
  • TOOK A TOWEL AND GIRDED HIMSELF.
  • 00:36:51.050 --> 00:36:52.250
  • AFTER THAT, HE POURED WATER INTO
  • 00:36:52.250 --> 00:36:54.190
  • A BASIN, AND HE BEGAN TO WASH
  • 00:36:54.190 --> 00:36:56.180
  • THE DISCIPLES' FEET, AND TO WIPE
  • 00:36:56.180 --> 00:36:57.170
  • THEM WITH THE TOWEL WITH WHICH
  • 00:36:57.170 --> 00:36:59.270
  • THIS WAS THE EVE
  • 00:37:06.140 --> 00:37:06.280
  • OF THE CRUCIFIXION.
  • 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.060
  • THIS WAS THE FINAL NIGHT THAT
  • 00:37:08.060 --> 00:37:08.280
  • JESUS HAS WITH HIS FOLLOWERS,
  • 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.080
  • AND ON THAT NIGHT, JESUS, IN
  • 00:37:10.080 --> 00:37:11.290
  • CELEBRATING WHAT WE CALL TODAY
  • 00:37:11.290 --> 00:37:14.150
  • "THE LORD'S SUPPER,"
  • 00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:18.010
  • "THE LAST SUPPER,"
  • 00:37:18.010 --> 00:37:18.240
  • OR "THE PASSOVER MEAL,"
  • 00:37:18.240 --> 00:37:20.150
  • MADE IT A POINT AT A
  • 00:37:20.150 --> 00:37:21.240
  • CERTAIN POINT TO STAND UP.
  • 00:37:21.240 --> 00:37:23.240
  • "HE ROSE UP," JOHN SAYS.
  • 00:37:23.240 --> 00:37:25.090
  • HE ROSE UP.
  • 00:37:25.090 --> 00:37:27.020
  • I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, WHEN HE
  • 00:37:27.020 --> 00:37:28.180
  • DID, ALL THE FOLLOWERS
  • 00:37:28.180 --> 00:37:29.130
  • PERKED UP.
  • 00:37:29.130 --> 00:37:30.180
  • THEY THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA
  • 00:37:30.180 --> 00:37:31.100
  • SAY SOMETHING.
  • 00:37:31.100 --> 00:37:32.260
  • THEY THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA TEACH,
  • 00:37:32.260 --> 00:37:34.080
  • AND, INDEED, HE WAS.
  • 00:37:34.080 --> 00:37:35.180
  • HE JUST WASN'T GONNA USE
  • 00:37:35.180 --> 00:37:36.060
  • ANY WORDS.
  • 00:37:36.060 --> 00:37:37.270
  • AND HE GIRDED HIMSELF WITH A
  • 00:37:37.270 --> 00:37:38.280
  • SERVANT'S GARB.
  • 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.070
  • HE REMOVED THE ROBE OF A RABBI,
  • 00:37:41.070 --> 00:37:43.210
  • THE SIMPLE, SEAMLESS ROBE, AND
  • 00:37:43.210 --> 00:37:45.070
  • HE PUT ON THE CLOTHING
  • 00:37:45.070 --> 00:37:46.160
  • OF A SERVANT.
  • 00:37:47.240 --> 00:37:50.240
  • NOW, IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST, IT
  • 00:37:51.020 --> 00:37:54.020
  • WAS COMMON, WHEN ANYONE ENTERED
  • 00:37:54.020 --> 00:37:56.080
  • SOMEONE'S HOUSE, THAT THERE, AT
  • 00:37:56.140 --> 00:37:59.140
  • SOMEPLACE IN THE HOUSE, WOULD BE
  • 00:37:59.140 --> 00:38:01.250
  • A PITCHER OF WATER, A BASIN, AND
  • 00:38:03.150 --> 00:38:06.150
  • A TOWEL, AND IT WOULD BE THE
  • 00:38:06.150 --> 00:38:08.260
  • RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SERVANT,
  • 00:38:08.260 --> 00:38:11.260
  • THE LOWEST ONE ON THE PECKING
  • 00:38:11.260 --> 00:38:14.020
  • ORDER, IT WOULD BE THE
  • 00:38:14.020 --> 00:38:15.220
  • RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT SERVANT
  • 00:38:15.220 --> 00:38:17.250
  • TO OFFER THIS GIFT OF
  • 00:38:17.250 --> 00:38:20.010
  • HOSPITALITY TO ANYONE WHO CAME
  • 00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:20.290
  • INTO THE HOUSE.
  • 00:38:20.290 --> 00:38:22.130
  • HE WOULD WASH THEIR FEET.
  • 00:38:22.130 --> 00:38:24.130
  • OF COURSE, IN THE DAYS OF
  • 00:38:24.130 --> 00:38:26.070
  • CHRIST, THE STREETS WERE
  • 00:38:26.070 --> 00:38:27.270
  • UNPAVED, AND THE PEOPLE WORE
  • 00:38:27.270 --> 00:38:29.040
  • SANDALS, AND THEIR FEET
  • 00:38:29.040 --> 00:38:30.180
  • WERE UNPROTECTED.
  • 00:38:30.180 --> 00:38:32.200
  • THEY BECAME DIRTY AND SMELLY,
  • 00:38:32.200 --> 00:38:33.140
  • AND SO THE GRIMIEST PART OF
  • 00:38:33.140 --> 00:38:34.260
  • THEIR LIVES WAS THEIR FEET, AND,
  • 00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:37.000
  • SURELY, WHEN THE DISCIPLES WENT
  • 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.250
  • INTO THE UPPER ROOM, THEY ALL
  • 00:38:38.250 --> 00:38:40.240
  • NOTICED THAT, OVER IN THE
  • 00:38:40.240 --> 00:38:42.190
  • CORNER, THERE WAS A PITCHER.
  • 00:38:42.190 --> 00:38:43.110
  • THERE WAS A BASIN.
  • 00:38:43.210 --> 00:38:46.210
  • THERE WAS A TOWEL.
  • 00:38:46.210 --> 00:38:49.040
  • BUT PETER DIDN'T GO TO GET IT.
  • 00:38:49.040 --> 00:38:51.200
  • JOHN DIDN'T GO TO GET IT.
  • 00:38:51.200 --> 00:38:54.000
  • ANDREW DIDN'T OFFER TO WASH
  • 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.010
  • ANYONE'S FEET.
  • 00:38:55.010 --> 00:38:56.160
  • NATHANAEL DIDN'T OFFER.
  • 00:38:56.160 --> 00:38:58.060
  • SO THERE THEY SAT, CELEBRATING
  • 00:38:58.060 --> 00:39:00.020
  • THE PASSOVER.
  • 00:39:00.020 --> 00:39:01.110
  • ALL OF 'EM HAD DIRTY FEET, AND
  • 00:39:01.110 --> 00:39:02.220
  • AT A CERTAIN POINT, JESUS STOOD
  • 00:39:06.180 --> 00:39:09.180
  • UP, AND HE WENT OVER, AND HE
  • 00:39:09.180 --> 00:39:12.090
  • REMOVED HIS RABBI'S ROBE, AND HE
  • 00:39:12.170 --> 00:39:15.170
  • PUT ON THE GARB OF A SERVANT,
  • 00:39:15.170 --> 00:39:18.150
  • AND HE TOOK THE WATER.
  • 00:39:22.100 --> 00:39:25.100
  • [POURING SOUND]
  • 00:39:29.060 --> 00:39:32.060
  • I'M THINKING, THE ONLY SOUND IN
  • 00:39:32.060 --> 00:39:33.010
  • THE ROOM WAS THE SOUND OF
  • 00:39:33.010 --> 00:39:34.060
  • SPLASHING WATER, BUT THOSE
  • 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.000
  • FOLLOWERS DIDN'T DARE SPEAK.
  • 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:39.150
  • THEY COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT
  • 00:39:39.150 --> 00:39:42.050
  • JESUS, THEIR RABBI, THEIR
  • 00:39:42.050 --> 00:39:43.290
  • TEACHER, THE ONE THEY BELIEVED
  • 00:39:43.290 --> 00:39:45.250
  • WAS THE SON OF GOD, THEY
  • 00:39:45.250 --> 00:39:47.030
  • COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT HE WAS
  • 00:39:47.030 --> 00:39:48.040
  • ABOUT TO WASH FEET.
  • 00:39:48.040 --> 00:39:50.120
  • "SURELY, NOT," THEY
  • 00:39:50.120 --> 00:39:52.230
  • MUST'VE THOUGHT.
  • 00:39:52.230 --> 00:39:53.210
  • AND THEN THE NEXT SOUND WOULD
  • 00:39:53.210 --> 00:39:55.170
  • HAVE BEEN THE CLICK OF THAT
  • 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.000
  • CERAMIC BOWL AS IT WAS LOWERED
  • 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:02.040
  • DOWN UPON A STONE FLOOR.
  • 00:40:03.180 --> 00:40:06.180
  • AGAIN, NO ONE'S SPEAKING AS
  • 00:40:06.180 --> 00:40:08.210
  • JESUS SLIDES THE BOWL IN THE
  • 00:40:08.210 --> 00:40:09.280
  • DIRECTION OF THE FOLLOWER,
  • 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.080
  • AND HE REACHES DOWN,
  • 00:40:12.080 --> 00:40:14.010
  • AND HE UNTIES THE SANDAL,
  • 00:40:14.010 --> 00:40:15.160
  • AND HE LIFTS THAT DIRTY FOOT,
  • 00:40:16.040 --> 00:40:19.040
  • AND HE PLACES IT OVER HERE IN
  • 00:40:19.040 --> 00:40:21.040
  • THE BOWL, AND THEY CAN HEAR AS
  • 00:40:21.040 --> 00:40:22.280
  • JESUS BEGINS TO WASH THE FEET.
  • 00:40:24.030 --> 00:40:27.030
  • HE TAKES THOSE GRIMY TOES, THOSE
  • 00:40:27.030 --> 00:40:28.240
  • CRUSTY HEELS.
  • 00:40:29.010 --> 00:40:32.010
  • HE TAKES THOSE DIRTY FEET, AND
  • 00:40:32.010 --> 00:40:33.230
  • HE BEGINS TO MASSAGE THEM AND
  • 00:40:33.230 --> 00:40:35.140
  • CLEANSE THEM.
  • 00:40:35.140 --> 00:40:36.210
  • CAN YOU IMAGINE, GOD ON EARTH IS
  • 00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:39.180
  • WASHING FEET?
  • 00:40:39.180 --> 00:40:41.270
  • AND THEN HE WASHES THE NEXT
  • 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.280
  • FOOT, AND THEN HE TAKES A TOWEL,
  • 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.020
  • AND HE DRIES THE FOOT, AND HE
  • 00:40:47.020 --> 00:40:49.270
  • REPLACES THE SANDALS, AND HE
  • 00:40:49.270 --> 00:40:51.180
  • MOVES FROM APOSTLE TO APOSTLE TO
  • 00:40:51.200 --> 00:40:54.200
  • APOSTLE TO APOSTLE.
  • 00:40:54.220 --> 00:40:57.220
  • NOW, IF MY MATH IS RIGHT, 12
  • 00:40:57.220 --> 00:40:59.090
  • APOSTLES MEANS 24 FEET.
  • 00:40:59.090 --> 00:41:01.180
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:41:01.260 --> 00:41:04.260
  • TWENTY-FOUR FEET, HOW LONG DO
  • 00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:06.070
  • YOU THINK THAT TOOK?
  • 00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:08.010
  • REMEMBER, THIS IS THE FINAL
  • 00:41:08.050 --> 00:41:11.050
  • NIGHT THAT JESUS HAS WITH
  • 00:41:11.050 --> 00:41:12.270
  • HIS FOLLOWERS.
  • 00:41:12.270 --> 00:41:14.170
  • THIS IS HIS FINAL TIME WITH
  • 00:41:14.170 --> 00:41:15.250
  • THEM, AND HOW DOES HE CHOOSE TO
  • 00:41:15.250 --> 00:41:18.190
  • USE A GOOD PORTION OF THAT TIME?
  • 00:41:18.190 --> 00:41:20.090
  • I'M THINKING THREE TO FOUR
  • 00:41:20.090 --> 00:41:22.210
  • MINUTES A FOOT?
  • 00:41:22.210 --> 00:41:24.260
  • THE BETTER PART OF AN HOUR?
  • 00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:27.250
  • ON THE EVENING BEFORE HIS
  • 00:41:27.250 --> 00:41:29.190
  • CRUCIFIXION, HE WASHES ALL
  • 00:41:29.200 --> 00:41:32.200
  • THEIR FEET.
  • 00:41:32.200 --> 00:41:34.100
  • HE MOVES FROM PERSON TO PERSON
  • 00:41:35.120 --> 00:41:38.120
  • TO PERSON TO PERSON, AND HE
  • 00:41:38.120 --> 00:41:40.080
  • WASHES THEIR FEET.
  • 00:41:40.200 --> 00:41:43.200
  • HOW LONG DO YOU THINK BEFORE THE
  • 00:41:43.200 --> 00:41:45.130
  • DISCIPLES UNDERSTOOD THE
  • 00:41:45.130 --> 00:41:46.220
  • ENORMITY OF WHAT CHRIST
  • 00:41:46.220 --> 00:41:48.110
  • HAD DONE?
  • 00:41:48.110 --> 00:41:49.060
  • I'M THINKING LATER THAT NIGHT.
  • 00:41:49.060 --> 00:41:52.040
  • REMEMBER, THEY ALL PROMISED THEY
  • 00:41:52.040 --> 00:41:54.250
  • WOULD NEVER BETRAY HIM, THEY
  • 00:41:54.250 --> 00:41:57.140
  • WOULD BE WITH HIM NO MATTER
  • 00:41:57.140 --> 00:41:58.260
  • WHAT, AND, YET HERE COME THE
  • 00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:01.090
  • ROMAN SOLDIERS.
  • 00:42:01.090 --> 00:42:01.270
  • HERE COME THE SOLDIERS WITH
  • 00:42:01.270 --> 00:42:03.280
  • THEIR WEAPONS AND THEIR TORCHES,
  • 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.070
  • AND WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL
  • 00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:07.030
  • THOSE FOLLOWERS?
  • 00:42:07.030 --> 00:42:08.000
  • THEY SCAMPER OVER THE FENCE OF
  • 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.040
  • THE GETHSEMANE GARDEN, AND THEY
  • 00:42:10.040 --> 00:42:12.030
  • DISAPPEAR IN EVERY
  • 00:42:12.030 --> 00:42:13.070
  • POSSIBLE CORNER.
  • 00:42:13.070 --> 00:42:14.270
  • THEY RUN, AND THEY RUN, AND THEY
  • 00:42:14.270 --> 00:42:15.230
  • RUN UNTIL, FINALLY, THEY'RE SO
  • 00:42:15.230 --> 00:42:17.050
  • TIRED, THEY SIT DOWN, AND I'M
  • 00:42:17.050 --> 00:42:18.100
  • WONDERING IF THEY LOOK DOWN AT
  • 00:42:18.100 --> 00:42:19.100
  • THEIR FEET, THOSE FEET THAT HAD
  • 00:42:22.050 --> 00:42:25.050
  • JUST BEEN CLEANSED BY CHRIST,
  • 00:42:25.050 --> 00:42:27.220
  • AND THEY REALIZED THAT CHRIST
  • 00:42:28.270 --> 00:42:31.270
  • GAVE THEM GRACE BEFORE THEY KNEW
  • 00:42:31.270 --> 00:42:34.190
  • THEY NEEDED IT?
  • 00:42:34.190 --> 00:42:36.280
  • CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHIN',
  • 00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:39.170
  • MY FRIEND?
  • 00:42:39.170 --> 00:42:40.230
  • YOU HAVE A BUSTER, AND I'M
  • 00:42:41.010 --> 00:42:44.010
  • VERY SORRY.
  • 00:42:44.190 --> 00:42:47.190
  • I'M SORRY THAT HE WAS A JERK.
  • 00:42:48.240 --> 00:42:51.240
  • I'M SORRY THAT SHE WAS
  • 00:42:51.240 --> 00:42:53.230
  • HARD-HEARTED.
  • 00:42:53.230 --> 00:42:55.040
  • I'M SORRY FOR ALL THE LIES THAT
  • 00:42:55.040 --> 00:42:56.230
  • WERE TOLD, ALL THE PROMISES THAT
  • 00:42:56.230 --> 00:42:58.230
  • WERE BROKEN, ALL THE BLOWS
  • 00:42:58.230 --> 00:42:59.150
  • YOU FELT.
  • 00:42:59.150 --> 00:43:01.200
  • I'M SORRY.
  • 00:43:01.200 --> 00:43:03.020
  • I AM.
  • 00:43:03.020 --> 00:43:04.190
  • YOU HAVE A BUSTER, BUT YOU KNOW
  • 00:43:05.060 --> 00:43:08.060
  • WHAT ELSE?
  • 00:43:08.060 --> 00:43:09.220
  • YOU HAVE A BASIN.
  • 00:43:11.020 --> 00:43:14.020
  • YOU HAVE A BASIN.
  • 00:43:14.170 --> 00:43:17.170
  • AND WHAT CHRIST DID FOR THE
  • 00:43:17.170 --> 00:43:20.030
  • FOLLOWERS THAT NIGHT, HE HAS
  • 00:43:20.260 --> 00:43:23.260
  • DONE FOR YOU AND ME, AND HE'S
  • 00:43:23.260 --> 00:43:26.200
  • WILLING TO DO FOR ANY PERSON WHO
  • 00:43:26.200 --> 00:43:29.110
  • WILL COME TO HIM.
  • 00:43:29.110 --> 00:43:30.110
  • HE WILL TAKE THE DIRTIEST PARTS
  • 00:43:30.110 --> 00:43:32.270
  • OF OUR LIVES, AND HE WILL
  • 00:43:32.270 --> 00:43:34.050
  • WASH THEM.
  • 00:43:34.050 --> 00:43:35.200
  • HE WILL CLEANSE THEM.
  • 00:43:35.200 --> 00:43:38.020
  • THE BIBLE TEACHES US THAT, "IF
  • 00:43:38.020 --> 00:43:40.180
  • WE CONFESS OUR SINS, HE IS
  • 00:43:40.180 --> 00:43:42.090
  • FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE OUR
  • 00:43:42.090 --> 00:43:44.210
  • SINS AND THAT HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS
  • 00:43:44.210 --> 00:43:47.020
  • CLEANSES US FROM ALL WRONG."
  • 00:43:47.070 --> 00:43:50.070
  • YES, IF YOU ARE IN CHRIST, THEN
  • 00:43:50.070 --> 00:43:52.180
  • CHRIST IS IN YOU, AND HE HAS
  • 00:43:52.180 --> 00:43:55.070
  • CLEANSED YOU, AND WHEN HE SEES
  • 00:43:55.070 --> 00:43:57.210
  • YOU, HE DOESN'T SEE YOUR SIN.
  • 00:43:57.210 --> 00:43:59.100
  • HE DOESN'T SEE THOSE ACTS
  • 00:43:59.100 --> 00:44:01.200
  • OF REBELLION.
  • 00:44:01.200 --> 00:44:02.150
  • HE DOESN'T SEE THOSE BACKHANDED,
  • 00:44:02.150 --> 00:44:04.160
  • BACKSEATED, BACK-ALLEY MOMENTS
  • 00:44:05.090 --> 00:44:08.090
  • OF YOUR LIFE AND MINE.
  • 00:44:08.090 --> 00:44:09.240
  • HE SEES JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:44:09.240 --> 00:44:11.240
  • WE ARE CLEAN.
  • 00:44:11.240 --> 00:44:13.000
  • WE ARE WASHED.
  • 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:14.100
  • WE ARE MADE NEW.
  • 00:44:14.100 --> 00:44:16.170
  • WHEN HE SEES YOU, HE SEES THE
  • 00:44:16.170 --> 00:44:18.140
  • WORK OF CHRIST.
  • 00:44:18.140 --> 00:44:20.050
  • YES, HE SEES CHRIST HIMSELF,
  • 00:44:20.050 --> 00:44:20.260
  • AMEN?
  • 00:44:20.260 --> 00:44:22.200
  • HE DOES THAT FOR YOU.
  • 00:44:22.200 --> 00:44:24.050
  • HE HAS CLEANSED YOU.
  • 00:44:24.050 --> 00:44:25.100
  • HE HAS TAKEN THE GRIMIEST PART
  • 00:44:25.100 --> 00:44:27.210
  • OF YOUR LIFE AND WASHED
  • 00:44:27.210 --> 00:44:28.200
  • YOU CLEAN.
  • 00:44:29.240 --> 00:44:32.240
  • AND THE MESSAGE OF FORGIVENESS
  • 00:44:32.240 --> 00:44:35.060
  • IS THIS, NOT THAT THAT PERSON
  • 00:44:35.100 --> 00:44:38.100
  • WHO DID YOU WRONG WAS RIGHT; NOT
  • 00:44:38.100 --> 00:44:40.030
  • THAT THE PAIN THAT YOU FEEL, YOU
  • 00:44:40.060 --> 00:44:43.060
  • SHOULDN'T FEEL; BUT THE MESSAGE
  • 00:44:43.060 --> 00:44:45.210
  • OF FORGIVENESS IS THIS: COULD
  • 00:44:45.210 --> 00:44:47.130
  • YOU PLEASE TAKE SOME OF THAT
  • 00:44:47.130 --> 00:44:49.260
  • UNDESERVED GRACE THAT YOU HAVE
  • 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.280
  • RECEIVED AND GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY
  • 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.230
  • WHO NEEDS IT?
  • 00:44:56.230 --> 00:44:59.130
  • WOULD YOU APPLY YOUR UNDESERVED
  • 00:44:59.130 --> 00:45:01.240
  • MERCY UPON YOUR UNDESERVED HURTS
  • 00:45:02.170 --> 00:45:05.170
  • AND OFFER FORGIVENESS FOR
  • 00:45:05.170 --> 00:45:08.010
  • SOMEONE ELSE?
  • 00:45:08.010 --> 00:45:10.250
  • JESUS SAID IT THIS WAY: HE TOLD
  • 00:45:10.250 --> 00:45:12.190
  • HIS FOLLOWERS THAT NIGHT, "IF I,
  • 00:45:12.190 --> 00:45:14.180
  • THEN, YOUR LORD AND TEACHER,
  • 00:45:15.260 --> 00:45:18.260
  • HAVE WASHED YOUR FEET, YOU ALSO
  • 00:45:18.260 --> 00:45:20.220
  • OUGHT TO WASH ONE ANOTHER'S
  • 00:45:22.170 --> 00:45:25.170
  • FEET, FOR I HAVE GIVEN YOU AN
  • 00:45:25.170 --> 00:45:26.140
  • EXAMPLE THAT YOU SHOULD DO AS I
  • 00:45:26.140 --> 00:45:27.240
  • HAVE DONE TO YOU."
  • 00:45:29.260 --> 00:45:32.260
  • JESUS DID THIS TO TEACH US HOW
  • 00:45:32.260 --> 00:45:35.060
  • TO LIVE WITH OTHERS BECAUSE HE
  • 00:45:35.060 --> 00:45:37.270
  • KNOWS THAT RESENTMENT TAKES JOY
  • 00:45:37.270 --> 00:45:39.280
  • YOU HARBOR A GRUDGE, YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:45:44.020 --> 00:45:45.040
  • GONNA BE A HAPPY PERSON.
  • 00:45:45.040 --> 00:45:45.220
  • YOU'RE NOT.
  • 00:45:45.220 --> 00:45:48.190
  • THERE ARE MANY REASONS WE
  • 00:45:48.190 --> 00:45:49.220
  • FORGIVE OTHER PEOPLE.
  • 00:45:49.220 --> 00:45:51.120
  • THE OLD STATEMENT, "AN EYE FOR
  • 00:45:51.120 --> 00:45:53.060
  • AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A
  • 00:45:53.060 --> 00:45:54.140
  • TOOTH," LEAVES US BLIND
  • 00:45:54.140 --> 00:45:55.150
  • IT DOES.
  • 00:45:57.210 --> 00:45:58.170
  • IT'S HARD.
  • 00:45:58.170 --> 00:46:00.170
  • IT'S HARD IF YOU TRY TO SETTLE
  • 00:46:00.170 --> 00:46:02.070
  • ALL THE SCORES.
  • 00:46:02.070 --> 00:46:03.000
  • YOU'RE GONNA EXHAUST YOURSELF.
  • 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.240
  • YOU'RE GONNA BE GRUMPY.
  • 00:46:05.240 --> 00:46:06.120
  • YOU'RE GONNA BE ANGRY.
  • 00:46:06.120 --> 00:46:06.290
  • YOU'RE GONNA BE HARD TO
  • 00:46:06.290 --> 00:46:07.170
  • LIVE WITH.
  • 00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:08.290
  • WHEN YOU FREE OTHERS FROM YOUR
  • 00:46:08.290 --> 00:46:10.270
  • PRISON OF RETALIATION, YOU ARE
  • 00:46:11.120 --> 00:46:14.120
  • THE ONE WHO STEPS OUT OF JAIL.
  • 00:46:15.120 --> 00:46:18.120
  • LET ME GIVE YOU TWO OR THREE
  • 00:46:18.120 --> 00:46:19.060
  • IDEAS ON FORGIVENESS, JUST SOME
  • 00:46:19.060 --> 00:46:22.030
  • PRACTICAL THOUGHTS AS WE
  • 00:46:22.030 --> 00:46:23.080
  • WRAP THIS UP.
  • 00:46:23.080 --> 00:46:25.100
  • DECIDE WHAT NEEDS TO
  • 00:46:25.100 --> 00:46:27.280
  • BE FORGIVEN.
  • 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.050
  • DECIDE WHAT NEEDS TO BE
  • 00:46:30.050 --> 00:46:32.010
  • FORGIVEN.
  • 00:46:32.010 --> 00:46:33.090
  • YOU SAY, "WELL, MAX, WHAT NEEDS
  • 00:46:33.090 --> 00:46:34.100
  • TO BE FORGIVEN IS HE'S A JERK."
  • 00:46:34.100 --> 00:46:35.200
  • WELL, I KNOW HE IS, BUT WHAT IS
  • 00:46:35.200 --> 00:46:37.070
  • IT ABOUT HIS BEHAVIOR THAT MAKES
  • 00:46:37.220 --> 00:46:40.220
  • YOU THINK HE'S A JERK?
  • 00:46:40.220 --> 00:46:41.180
  • EXACTLY WHAT IS IT?
  • 00:46:41.180 --> 00:46:43.160
  • "WELL, HE PROMISED HE WOULD SEND
  • 00:46:43.160 --> 00:46:45.020
  • CHILD SUPPORT, AND I HAVEN'T
  • 00:46:45.020 --> 00:46:46.030
  • HEARD FROM HIM IN MONTHS."
  • 00:46:46.030 --> 00:46:49.010
  • OKAY, NOW WE'VE GOT SOMETHIN'
  • 00:46:49.010 --> 00:46:49.220
  • WE CAN WORK WITH.
  • 00:46:49.220 --> 00:46:50.220
  • NOW WE'VE GOT SOMETHIN' WE CAN
  • 00:46:50.220 --> 00:46:51.150
  • WORK WITH.
  • 00:46:51.150 --> 00:46:52.190
  • IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, AND
  • 00:46:52.230 --> 00:46:55.230
  • THEN ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTION,
  • 00:46:55.230 --> 00:46:57.280
  • "NOW, WHY IS THIS CAUSING
  • 00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.100
  • ME PAIN?
  • 00:46:59.100 --> 00:47:01.140
  • WHY IS THIS CAUSING ME HURT?"
  • 00:47:01.140 --> 00:47:02.050
  • SOMETIMES THE REASON IS OBVIOUS,
  • 00:47:02.050 --> 00:47:03.230
  • BUT SOMETIMES THINGS HURT US
  • 00:47:03.230 --> 00:47:05.150
  • BECAUSE WE HAVE DEEP WOUNDS FROM
  • 00:47:05.150 --> 00:47:07.110
  • OTHER PEOPLE.
  • 00:47:07.110 --> 00:47:08.060
  • OTHER PEOPLE HAVE HURT US, AND
  • 00:47:08.060 --> 00:47:10.190
  • SOMEBODY IS BEHAVING IN A
  • 00:47:10.190 --> 00:47:12.080
  • SIMILAR WAY, AND WHAT HAPPENED
  • 00:47:12.080 --> 00:47:14.020
  • TO US THEN, WE'RE TAKING
  • 00:47:14.020 --> 00:47:15.200
  • OUT ON THEM.
  • 00:47:15.200 --> 00:47:17.120
  • SO IDENTIFY WHAT THE CAUSE
  • 00:47:17.120 --> 00:47:20.060
  • OF PAIN IS.
  • 00:47:20.060 --> 00:47:21.180
  • TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT HURTS.
  • 00:47:21.180 --> 00:47:23.110
  • NOW, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT:
  • 00:47:23.110 --> 00:47:24.270
  • BEFORE YOU TAKE IT OUT ON
  • 00:47:24.270 --> 00:47:26.260
  • SOMEBODY OR EVEN TAKE IT TO
  • 00:47:26.260 --> 00:47:28.240
  • SOMEBODY, TAKE IT TO JESUS.
  • 00:47:29.030 --> 00:47:32.030
  • TAKE IT TO HIM.
  • 00:47:32.080 --> 00:47:35.080
  • FIND A QUIET MOMENT.
  • 00:47:35.080 --> 00:47:36.180
  • FIND A QUIET PARK BENCH.
  • 00:47:36.180 --> 00:47:38.050
  • GO SOMEWHERE, WHERE YOU CAN
  • 00:47:38.050 --> 00:47:39.150
  • PRAY, AND YOU JUST SAY,
  • 00:47:39.150 --> 00:47:41.110
  • "JESUS, THIS REALLY HURTS.
  • 00:47:42.090 --> 00:47:45.090
  • IT REALLY HURTS."
  • 00:47:45.090 --> 00:47:47.210
  • AND FOR SOME OF YOU,
  • 00:47:47.210 --> 00:47:48.120
  • THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME
  • 00:47:48.120 --> 00:47:49.160
  • YOU ADMIT THAT 'CAUSE
  • 00:47:49.160 --> 00:47:51.150
  • YOU'VE BEEN TRYIN' TO ACT REAL
  • 00:47:51.150 --> 00:47:52.130
  • TOUGH AND PRETEND THAT IT
  • 00:47:52.130 --> 00:47:53.180
  • DOESN'T BOTHER YOU, BUT HE'S
  • 00:47:53.180 --> 00:47:55.280
  • YOUR FATHER, AND NOBODY WILL
  • 00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.080
  • EVER LOVE YOU MORE THAN JESUS
  • 00:47:57.170 --> 00:48:00.190
  • CHRIST, AND YOU CAN GO TO HIM,
  • 00:48:00.190 --> 00:48:02.280
  • AND YOU CAN SAY, "JESUS, THIS
  • 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:03.290
  • REALLY HURTS, THE WAY HE'S
  • 00:48:03.290 --> 00:48:06.100
  • TREATING ME, THE WAY SHE'S
  • 00:48:06.100 --> 00:48:07.050
  • TREATING ME, WHAT MY DAD DID, OR
  • 00:48:07.050 --> 00:48:09.290
  • WHAT MY BIG BROTHER DID, OR WHAT
  • 00:48:09.290 --> 00:48:12.030
  • THEY DIDN'T DO.
  • 00:48:12.030 --> 00:48:13.010
  • CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY
  • 00:48:13.010 --> 00:48:14.170
  • THIS HURTS?"
  • 00:48:15.170 --> 00:48:18.170
  • AND TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT.
  • 00:48:18.170 --> 00:48:20.150
  • IN FACT, I WOULD URGE YOU TO
  • 00:48:20.150 --> 00:48:22.110
  • SAY, "JESUS, WHERE WERE YOU WHEN
  • 00:48:22.110 --> 00:48:24.190
  • THIS WAS GOIN' ON?"
  • 00:48:24.190 --> 00:48:25.180
  • JUST ASK HIM.
  • 00:48:25.180 --> 00:48:27.240
  • HE'S NOT THREATENED.
  • 00:48:27.240 --> 00:48:29.220
  • JUST ASK HIM.
  • 00:48:29.220 --> 00:48:32.000
  • THIS MAY BE THE VERY FIRST TIME
  • 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.130
  • YOU'VE EVER PRAYED ABOUT IT,
  • 00:48:33.130 --> 00:48:35.190
  • SO ASK HIM.
  • 00:48:35.190 --> 00:48:36.020
  • AND THEN, A NEXT STEP COULD BE
  • 00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:40.260
  • THIS-- NOT ALWAYS, BUT IT COULD
  • 00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:42.180
  • BE THAT IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO
  • 00:48:42.180 --> 00:48:44.190
  • TALK TO THE PERSON WHO HAS
  • 00:48:44.190 --> 00:48:46.210
  • BROUGHT PAIN INTO YOUR LIFE.'
  • 00:48:46.210 --> 00:48:47.170
  • JUST GO TALK TO THEM.
  • 00:48:47.170 --> 00:48:49.270
  • JUST SAY, "WE NEED TO TALK."
  • 00:48:49.270 --> 00:48:51.180
  • NOW, THAT MAY NOT BE WISE
  • 00:48:51.180 --> 00:48:54.080
  • BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S NOT SAFE.
  • 00:48:54.080 --> 00:48:55.270
  • I MEAN, I GET THAT.
  • 00:48:55.270 --> 00:48:58.050
  • IT MAY NOT BE-- YOU MAY NEED TO
  • 00:48:58.050 --> 00:48:59.240
  • GET ADVICE FROM SOMEBODY ELSE
  • 00:48:59.240 --> 00:49:01.170
  • BEFORE YOU DO THAT.
  • 00:49:01.170 --> 00:49:03.180
  • IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE.
  • 00:49:03.180 --> 00:49:05.080
  • COULD BE, THAT PERSON, YOU DON'T
  • 00:49:05.080 --> 00:49:06.090
  • KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
  • 00:49:06.090 --> 00:49:07.110
  • IT COULD BE THAT PERSON HAS
  • 00:49:07.110 --> 00:49:08.130
  • ALREADY DIED, AND SO IT MAY NOT
  • 00:49:08.130 --> 00:49:09.220
  • BE POSSIBLE.
  • 00:49:09.220 --> 00:49:12.160
  • BUT IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO
  • 00:49:12.160 --> 00:49:13.220
  • CLEAR THE AIR, YOU JUST GO AND
  • 00:49:13.220 --> 00:49:15.080
  • TALK TO THAT PERSON, BUT BEFORE
  • 00:49:15.080 --> 00:49:17.190
  • YOU POINT A FINGER AT THEM, TELL
  • 00:49:17.190 --> 00:49:19.040
  • THEM HOW THEY MADE YOU FEEL.
  • 00:49:19.040 --> 00:49:21.220
  • BEGIN YOUR CONVERSATION BY
  • 00:49:21.220 --> 00:49:23.110
  • SAYING, "NOW, WHEN YOU DID
  • 00:49:23.110 --> 00:49:24.160
  • THIS--" OR "WHEN YOU DO THIS,
  • 00:49:24.160 --> 00:49:26.240
  • THIS IS HOW IT MAKES ME FEEL."
  • 00:49:26.240 --> 00:49:27.230
  • YOU'RE NOT POINTING A FINGER AT
  • 00:49:27.230 --> 00:49:29.160
  • THEM BY SAYING THAT.
  • 00:49:29.160 --> 00:49:30.210
  • YOU'RE TELLING 'EM THE TRUTH.
  • 00:49:30.210 --> 00:49:32.110
  • NOW, ARE THEY GONNA CHANGE, OR
  • 00:49:32.110 --> 00:49:35.000
  • ARE THEY GONNA SAY THEY'RE
  • 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:35.190
  • SORRY, OR ARE THEY GONNA REPENT?
  • 00:49:35.190 --> 00:49:36.170
  • I DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:49:36.170 --> 00:49:37.110
  • I DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:49:37.110 --> 00:49:39.220
  • WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT, CAN WE?
  • 00:49:39.220 --> 00:49:41.080
  • HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW WE CANNOT
  • 00:49:41.080 --> 00:49:42.110
  • FIX PEOPLE?
  • 00:49:42.110 --> 00:49:43.130
  • WE CANNOT FIX PEOPLE.
  • 00:49:43.130 --> 00:49:45.130
  • HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:49:45.130 --> 00:49:47.160
  • NOT IN CHARGE OF ANOTHER
  • 00:49:47.160 --> 00:49:48.090
  • HUMAN BEING?
  • 00:49:48.090 --> 00:49:49.140
  • YOU'D LIKE TO BE, WOULDN'T YA?
  • 00:49:49.140 --> 00:49:51.090
  • I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WOULD SURE
  • 00:49:51.090 --> 00:49:52.080
  • LIKE TO FIX ME.
  • 00:49:52.080 --> 00:49:53.190
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:49:53.190 --> 00:49:55.060
  • BUT WE'RE NOT IN CHARGE OF
  • 00:49:55.060 --> 00:49:55.290
  • FIXING OTHERS.
  • 00:49:55.290 --> 00:49:58.090
  • THAT'S GOD'S JOB, SO YOU JUST GO
  • 00:49:58.090 --> 00:50:00.200
  • TO THAT PERSON, AND YOU OPEN
  • 00:50:00.200 --> 00:50:03.050
  • YOUR HEART UP TO THEM AND SAY,
  • 00:50:03.140 --> 00:50:06.140
  • "HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED,"
  • 00:50:06.140 --> 00:50:08.090
  • AND ONCE YOU HAVE,
  • 00:50:08.090 --> 00:50:10.090
  • THEN YOU BEGIN TO PRAY
  • 00:50:10.090 --> 00:50:11.070
  • FOR THAT PERSON.
  • 00:50:11.070 --> 00:50:12.220
  • YOU KNOW, JESUS SAID FOR US TO
  • 00:50:12.220 --> 00:50:15.040
  • PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE US.
  • 00:50:16.120 --> 00:50:19.120
  • PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE US,
  • 00:50:19.120 --> 00:50:21.070
  • SO THAT PERSON WHO'S BROUGHT YOU
  • 00:50:21.070 --> 00:50:23.190
  • SO MUCH PAIN, SO MUCH ANGUISH,
  • 00:50:23.190 --> 00:50:25.050
  • HAS KEPT YOU AWAKE AT NIGHT,
  • 00:50:25.050 --> 00:50:26.210
  • PRAY FOR THEM.
  • 00:50:26.210 --> 00:50:28.260
  • NOW, INITIALLY, THOSE PRAYERS
  • 00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:30.280
  • AREN'T GONNA BE VERY FANCY.
  • 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.250
  • IN FACT, YOU'LL FIND YOURSELF
  • 00:50:32.250 --> 00:50:34.160
  • TRYING TO PRAY, AND YOU
  • 00:50:34.160 --> 00:50:35.210
  • WON'T WANT TO.
  • 00:50:35.210 --> 00:50:36.120
  • YOU'LL COME DOWN WITH A CASE
  • 00:50:36.120 --> 00:50:37.090
  • OF LOCKJAW.
  • 00:50:37.090 --> 00:50:38.110
  • YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO TALK TO
  • 00:50:38.110 --> 00:50:39.270
  • GOD ABOUT THAT PERSON, AND
  • 00:50:39.270 --> 00:50:42.000
  • FINALLY, WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO,
  • 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:42.210
  • YOU'RE GONNA SAY, "GOD, PLEASE
  • 00:50:42.210 --> 00:50:43.220
  • BLESS SO-AND-SO.
  • 00:50:44.120 --> 00:50:47.120
  • GIVE HIM A FLAT TIRE.
  • 00:50:49.070 --> 00:50:52.070
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:50:52.070 --> 00:50:53.030
  • HELP HIM TO KNOW WHAT A
  • 00:50:53.030 --> 00:50:53.210
  • BUM HE IS."
  • 00:50:53.210 --> 00:50:56.040
  • IT WON'T BE THE BEST PRAYERS,
  • 00:50:56.040 --> 00:50:56.270
  • BUT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST
  • 00:50:56.270 --> 00:50:59.160
  • YOU'RE TRYING.
  • 00:51:01.030 --> 00:51:04.030
  • HERE IT IS: YOU SEE, WHEN YOU
  • 00:51:04.030 --> 00:51:06.090
  • TALK TO SOMEBODY, WHEN YOU TALK
  • 00:51:06.090 --> 00:51:08.160
  • TO JESUS ABOUT SOMEBODY, IT'S
  • 00:51:08.160 --> 00:51:10.010
  • REAL HARD TO HATE SOMEBODY IN
  • 00:51:10.010 --> 00:51:12.130
  • THE PRESENCE OF CHRIST.
  • 00:51:12.130 --> 00:51:14.090
  • IT'S REAL HARD TO HATE SOMEBODY
  • 00:51:14.090 --> 00:51:16.290
  • IN THE PRESENCE OF CHRIST.
  • 00:51:16.290 --> 00:51:19.070
  • LITTLE BY LITTLE, THAT HATE IS
  • 00:51:19.070 --> 00:51:21.150
  • GONNA BEGIN TO DISSOLVE.
  • 00:51:24.120 --> 00:51:27.120
  • IT MAY BE THAT PERSON-- YOU MAY
  • 00:51:27.120 --> 00:51:29.120
  • NEVER HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP
  • 00:51:29.260 --> 00:51:32.260
  • YOU ONCE HAD.
  • 00:51:32.260 --> 00:51:35.110
  • YOU MAY NEVER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T
  • 00:51:35.110 --> 00:51:37.200
  • CONTROL HOW PEOPLE RESPOND, BUT
  • 00:51:37.200 --> 00:51:39.200
  • THE BIBLE SAYS, "INASMUCH AS IT
  • 00:51:39.200 --> 00:51:42.200
  • IS POSSIBLE WITH YOU, TRY TO BE
  • 00:51:42.200 --> 00:51:45.200
  • AT PEACE WITH ALL PEOPLE."
  • 00:51:45.200 --> 00:51:48.170
  • INASMUCH AS IT IS POSSIBLE
  • 00:51:48.170 --> 00:51:50.230
  • WITH YOU.
  • 00:51:50.230 --> 00:51:52.160
  • AND SO YOU CAN'T CONTROL HOW
  • 00:51:52.160 --> 00:51:54.110
  • THAT PERSON RESPONDS, BUT YOU
  • 00:51:54.110 --> 00:51:55.270
  • CAN CONTROL THIS: YOU CAN
  • 00:51:55.270 --> 00:51:57.210
  • CONTROL YOUR RESPONSE THEM.
  • 00:51:57.210 --> 00:52:00.060
  • DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:52:00.060 --> 00:52:02.160
  • BE A BETTER PERSON BY BEING
  • 00:52:02.160 --> 00:52:03.290
  • PERPETUALLY TICKED OFF AT
  • 00:52:03.290 --> 00:52:04.270
  • THAT PERSON?
  • 00:52:04.270 --> 00:52:05.240
  • IS YOUR ANGER MAKIN' YOU A
  • 00:52:05.240 --> 00:52:07.200
  • BETTER HUMAN BEING?
  • 00:52:07.200 --> 00:52:08.280
  • DO OTHER PEOPLE WANT YOU TO BE
  • 00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.250
  • ANGRY ALL THE TIME?
  • 00:52:10.250 --> 00:52:12.040
  • HOW LONG SINCE SOMEBODY CAME UP
  • 00:52:12.040 --> 00:52:13.200
  • TO YOU AND SAID, "HEY, COULD YOU
  • 00:52:13.200 --> 00:52:14.260
  • JUST BE ANGRY AROUND US?
  • 00:52:14.260 --> 00:52:16.100
  • WE LOVE IT WHEN YOU'RE ANGRY."
  • 00:52:16.100 --> 00:52:17.150
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:52:17.150 --> 00:52:18.140
  • IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.
  • 00:52:18.140 --> 00:52:19.020
  • ANGER SUCKS THE JOY OUT
  • 00:52:19.020 --> 00:52:21.250
  • OF OUR LIVES.
  • 00:52:21.250 --> 00:52:24.060
  • ANGER AND RETALIATION, THEY'RE
  • 00:52:24.060 --> 00:52:26.080
  • TOOLS OF THE DEVIL.
  • 00:52:26.080 --> 00:52:27.160
  • NOW, I KNOW WHAT
  • 00:52:27.160 --> 00:52:28.230
  • YOU'RE THINKING.
  • 00:52:28.230 --> 00:52:29.190
  • YOU'RE THINKING, "WELL, SOMEBODY
  • 00:52:29.190 --> 00:52:31.000
  • NEEDS TO SETTLE THE SCORE.
  • 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:32.210
  • THAT PERSON NEEDS TO-- THEY GOT
  • 00:52:32.210 --> 00:52:35.050
  • IT COMIN'."
  • 00:52:35.050 --> 00:52:35.210
  • AND I WOULD AGREE.
  • 00:52:35.210 --> 00:52:37.260
  • I WOULD AGREE, BUT MORE
  • 00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:39.170
  • IMPORTANTLY, GOD WOULD AGREE.
  • 00:52:39.170 --> 00:52:41.030
  • BUT, YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE
  • 00:52:41.030 --> 00:52:41.250
  • SAYS THIS:
  • 00:52:41.250 --> 00:52:43.010
  • GOD SAYS, "VENGEANCE IS MINE.
  • 00:52:43.010 --> 00:52:45.180
  • I WILL REPAY."
  • 00:52:45.180 --> 00:52:47.220
  • HMM, GOD'S A GOD OF JUSTICE.
  • 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:51.000
  • HE'S A GOD OF JUSTICE.
  • 00:52:51.150 --> 00:52:54.150
  • YOU THINK YOU'RE A PERSON
  • 00:52:54.150 --> 00:52:55.190
  • OF JUSTICE?
  • 00:52:55.190 --> 00:52:56.180
  • GOD IS A GOD OF JUSTICE.
  • 00:52:56.180 --> 00:52:58.070
  • AND SO YOU CAN BE SURE THAT GOD
  • 00:52:58.070 --> 00:52:59.190
  • WILL GIVE THAT PERSON WHAT A
  • 00:53:00.040 --> 00:53:03.040
  • JUST GOD SHOULD GIVE
  • 00:53:03.110 --> 00:53:06.110
  • THAT PERSON.
  • 00:53:06.110 --> 00:53:07.210
  • IF I TRY TO GIVE THAT PERSON
  • 00:53:08.060 --> 00:53:11.060
  • WHAT THAT PERSON DESERVES, I'M
  • 00:53:11.060 --> 00:53:12.150
  • EITHER GONNA BE TOO LENIENT
  • 00:53:12.150 --> 00:53:13.200
  • OR TOO HARSH.
  • 00:53:13.200 --> 00:53:15.190
  • NOW, THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT
  • 00:53:16.170 --> 00:53:19.170
  • PERSON SHOULDN'T GO TO JAIL FOR
  • 00:53:19.170 --> 00:53:20.160
  • WHAT THEY DID.
  • 00:53:20.160 --> 00:53:21.130
  • IF THIS PERSON ROBS OR TAKES
  • 00:53:23.100 --> 00:53:26.100
  • SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THEIRS,
  • 00:53:26.100 --> 00:53:28.140
  • THEY NEED TO LET SOCIETY
  • 00:53:28.140 --> 00:53:29.050
  • PAY THE PRICE.
  • 00:53:29.050 --> 00:53:32.040
  • BUT DON'T LET 'EM TAKE YOUR JOY.
  • 00:53:32.040 --> 00:53:33.250
  • DON'T LET 'EM TAKE YOUR JOY.
  • 00:53:33.250 --> 00:53:35.270
  • HAVEN'T THEY TAKEN ENOUGH?
  • 00:53:35.270 --> 00:53:37.100
  • IN FACT, HERE'S MY LAST
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  • SUGGESTION: CONDUCT A FUNERAL.
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  • CONDUCT A FUNERAL.
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  • YOU TAKE WHAT THAT PERSON DID,
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  • WRITE IT ON A SHEET OF PAPER,
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  • PUT IT IN A SHOE BOX, AND YOU GO
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  • FIND A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN DIG A
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  • GRAVE.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • YOU PUT IT DOWN IN THE GRAVE,
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  • AND YOU COVER IT UP, RIGHT THERE
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  • IN THE PRESENCE OF THE FATHER
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  • AND THE SON, AND THE HOLY
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  • SPIRIT, IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL
  • 00:53:58.290 --> 00:54:00.170
  • THE ANGELS AND THE HOSTS THAT
  • 00:54:00.170 --> 00:54:02.060
  • HAVE ALREADY GONE TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:54:02.060 --> 00:54:03.080
  • YOU SAY, "OKAY, WE'RE
  • 00:54:03.080 --> 00:54:04.290
  • BURYING YOU."
  • 00:54:04.290 --> 00:54:06.290
  • I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT
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  • SUPPRESSING AND NEVER THINKING
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  • ABOUT IT AGAIN.
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  • BUT I'M SAYING PUT A MARK IN
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  • YOUR LIFE, A MILE MARKER ON YOUR
  • 00:54:14.050 --> 00:54:15.110
  • PATH THAT SAYS, "YOU KNOW WHAT?
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  • I'M NOT GONNA LET THAT PERSON
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  • TAKE ANY MORE OF MY JOY."
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  • YOU KNOW THAT YOUR
  • 00:54:19.240 --> 00:54:20.290
  • WINDSHIELD IS MUCH BIGGER
  • 00:54:20.290 --> 00:54:21.280
  • BECAUSE YOUR FUTURE IS MORE
  • 00:54:25.090 --> 00:54:25.290
  • IMPORTANT THAN YOUR PAST?
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  • GOD WANTS YOU ALWAYS LOOKING
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  • FORWARD, ALWAYS MOVING AHEAD,
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  • ALWAYS GOING TO WHAT'S NEXT.
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  • [APPLAUSE]
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  • SO DON'T LET HIM TAKE ANY MORE.
  • 00:54:37.040 --> 00:54:38.080
  • DON'T LET HIM TAKE ANY MORE.
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  • AND IF YOU FORGIVE FOR NO HIGHER
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  • REASON THAN THIS, IT'S ENOUGH,
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  • AND THAT IS "JESUS WENT FIRST."
  • 00:54:48.130 --> 00:54:51.130
  • HE WENT FIRST.
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  • HE FORGAVE YOU, DIDN'T HE?
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  • DIDN'T HE?
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  • AREN'T YOU GLAD HE DIDN'T GIVE
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  • YOU WHAT YOU DESERVE?
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  • WELL, I'M SURE GLAD HE DIDN'T
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  • GIVE ME WHAT I DESERVE.
  • 00:55:03.070 --> 00:55:04.210
  • AREN'T YOU SURE GLAD THAT HE'S
  • 00:55:04.210 --> 00:55:06.050
  • NOT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING A LIST OF
  • 00:55:06.050 --> 00:55:08.160
  • ALL THE THINGS YOU'VE
  • 00:55:08.160 --> 00:55:09.110
  • DONE WRONG?
  • 00:55:09.110 --> 00:55:11.190
  • IF HE TRIED TO DO THAT WITH ME,
  • 00:55:11.190 --> 00:55:12.160
  • THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PAPER TO KEEP
  • 00:55:12.160 --> 00:55:14.080
  • WITH ALL THE THINGS I'VE DONE
  • 00:55:14.080 --> 00:55:16.280
  • WRONG, BUT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT,
  • 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:17.230
  • WHEN IT COMES TO US, THAT GOD
  • 00:55:17.230 --> 00:55:19.020
  • HAS TAKEN OUR SINS, AND HE HAS
  • 00:55:19.020 --> 00:55:20.280
  • THROWN THEM INTO THE DEEPEST
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  • SEA, AND HE HAS SEPARATED OUR
  • 00:55:22.190 --> 00:55:24.040
  • SINS FROM US AS FAR AS THE EAST
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  • IS FROM THE WEST, AND HE NEVER
  • 00:55:26.080 --> 00:55:28.210
  • STOPS LOVING US.
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  • AGAIN, I'M SORRY FOR ALL THE
  • 00:55:30.130 --> 00:55:33.030
  • HURT THAT HAS COME INTO
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  • YOUR WORLD.
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  • I JUST DON'T WANT THAT HURT TO
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  • BECOME HATE BECAUSE THAT HATE IS
  • 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:40.000
  • GONNA TAKE AWAY YOUR JOY.
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  • I'D LIKE FOR US TO PRAY NOW
  • 00:55:42.130 --> 00:55:44.000
  • BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT, REALLY,
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  • FORGIVING SOMEBODY IS-- IT
  • 00:55:45.200 --> 00:55:48.050
  • REQUIRES A MIRACLE FROM HEAVEN,
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  • WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?
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  • WE REALLY NEED HELP.
  • 00:55:51.070 --> 00:55:53.080
  • SO WHEREVER YOU ARE, IF YOU NEED
  • 00:55:53.080 --> 00:55:56.040
  • THIS PRAYER, YOU JUST BOW YOUR
  • 00:55:56.040 --> 00:55:58.210
  • HEAD AND SAY, "LORD, HELP ME."
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  • LORD, HELP US.
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  • HELP US BECOME GIVERS OF GRACE.
  • 00:56:02.200 --> 00:56:05.200
  • HELP US TO HAVE RESTORATION OF
  • 00:56:05.200 --> 00:56:07.100
  • RELATIONSHIPS.
  • 00:56:07.250 --> 00:56:10.250
  • LET THERE BE FORGIVENESS,
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  • FATHER, FORGIVENESS OF CHILD
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  • TOWARD PARENT, PARENT TOWARD
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  • CHILD, WORKER TOWARD COWORKER,
  • 00:56:15.180 --> 00:56:18.060
  • FRIEND TOWARD FRIEND.
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  • WE PRAY FOR FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:56:19.140 --> 00:56:21.190
  • BEEN A LOT OF HURT IN OUR LIVES.
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  • WE KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE, BUT,
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  • LORD, YOU DO TOO.
  • 00:56:26.240 --> 00:56:28.110
  • YOU WENT TO THE CROSS FOR
  • 00:56:28.110 --> 00:56:30.070
  • SOMETHIN' YOU NEVER DID DO.
  • 00:56:30.070 --> 00:56:32.260
  • YOU TOOK OUR SIN SO YOU COULD
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  • GIVE US YOUR GRACE, AND FOR
  • 00:56:35.140 --> 00:56:37.130
  • THAT, WE ARE ETERNALLY, FOREVER,
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  • AND IMMEASURABLY GRATEFUL, AMEN
  • 00:56:41.080 --> 00:56:44.000
  • AND AMEN, AMEN.
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  • [MUSIC]
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