Forgiveness and Reconciliation | Episode 19 | TBN

Forgiveness and Reconciliation | Episode 19

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July 17, 2018
25:58

Restoring the Shack

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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - MY NAME IS PAUL YOUNG, AND I'M THE AUTHOR
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  • OF "THE SHACK".
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  • I WANT TO INVITE YOU ON AN ADVENTURE WITH ME
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  • AND WITH THE BOOK.
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  • A LOT OF YOU HAVE READ IT.
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  • YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • SOME OF YOU HAVE JUST HEARD ABOUT IT, AND YOU
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  • HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • THIS IS A BOOK THAT ALLOWS US TO EXPLORE I WANT WITH
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  • THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT; QUESTIONS THAT WE
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  • HAVE ABOUT HURT AND LOSS AND GRIEF; QUESTIONS ABOUT
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  • WONDER AND BEAUTY AND JOY.
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  • WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LIVE A LIFE OF FAITH?
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  • WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT DEATH?
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  • WHY DO TRAGIC THINGS HAPPEN TO US?
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  • THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE.
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  • I WOULD LOVE YOU TO COME WITH ME.
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  • THIS IS AN INVITATION.
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  • [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC]
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  • - IN THE JOURNEY TOWARD OUR WHOLENESS, WE'RE GOING TO
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  • HAVE TO FACE AND CONFRONT THE THINGS THAT HURT US, THE
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  • WAYS WE WERE HURT.
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  • I WISH WE COULD GO AROUND OUR SHACKS, BUT THAT'S OUR
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  • SOUL. THAT'S OUR HEART.
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  • THANKFULLY, SOME OF US HAVE HABITABLE PLACES, BUT SOME
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  • OF US, WE DIDN'T GET GOOD HELP, AND OUR PLACES ON THE
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  • INSIDE ARE BROKEN.
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  • WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONFRONT "THE SHACK", AND
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  • THANKFULLY, GOD IS WITH US IN THAT.
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  • THANKFULLY, GOD KNOWS HOW TO HELP US DISCOVER THE
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  • THINGS THAT ARE BROKEN AND RESTORE US.
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  • AND PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE FORGIVENESS.
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  • EVENTUALLY, IF NOT IN THIS WORLD, IT'S RECONCILIATION.
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  • ON MY DAD'S 80TH BIRTHDAY, A WENT FOR A WALK, AND I FELT
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  • GOD PUT HIS ARM AROUND ME AND SAID, PAUL, YOUR DAD, HE
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  • HASN'T KNOWN HOW TO BE A FATHER FOR 60 YEARS.
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  • HE'S NOT SUDDENLY GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
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  • I SAID, YEAH. I UNDERSTAND.
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  • THEN I HEAR THE WHISPER, I'LL BE ALL OF THAT TO YOU
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  • AND MORE, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
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  • IT'S OKAY WITH ME.
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  • GOD MEETS US WHERE WE'RE AT, AND THEN WORKS
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  • WITH US, WALKS WITH US.
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  • GOD DOESN'T GRAB OUT OF OUR HANDS OUR SURVIVAL
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  • MECHANISMS AND OUR SAFETY SKILLS, BUT WORKS WITH US TO
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  • THE POINT WHERE WE'RE WILLING TO LET THEM GO.
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  • I'M GOING TO READ TO YOU A LITTLE SECTION NEAR
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  • THE END OF THE BOOK IN THE MORNING SORROWS.
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  • AND GOD, EARLY IN THE BOOK, COMES TO MACKENZIE AS A
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  • LARGE BLACK AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN AND NOW COMES AS A MAN.
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  • I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE PATERNAL NATURE OF GOD IN
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  • THE MIDDLE OF IN CONVERSATION.
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  • AND THAT MORNING, WHEN PAPA SHOWED UP, MACKENZIE WAS
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  • SURPRISED BUT INTUITIVELY RECOGNIZED HIM AND ASKED WHY
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  • THE DIFFERENCE?
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  • AND HE SAID, "'TODAY, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A FATHER.'
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  • 'PAPA?' 'YES, SON.'
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  • 'SOPHIA HELPED ME UNDERSTAND A GREAT DEAL ABOUT MISSY
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  • YESTERDAY, AND IT HELPED TALKING TO PAPA.
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  • AH, I MEAN TALKING TO YOU, TOO.'
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  • MACK FELT CONFUSED, BUT PAPA STOPPED AND SMILED AS IF HE
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  • UNDERSTOOD, SO MACK CONTINUED.
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  • 'IS IT STRANGE THAT I NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, TOO?
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  • I MEAN YOU'RE MORE LIKE A FATHER-FATHER,
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  • IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.' 'I UNDERSTAND, MACK.
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  • WE ARE COMING FULL CIRCLE.
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  • FORGIVING YOUR DAD YESTERDAY WAS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF
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  • YOUR BEING ABLE TO KNOW ME AS FATHER TODAY.'"
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  • INCREMENTAL STEPS, SLOW, ARDUOUS.
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  • SOMETIMES WE DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THAT ONE LITTLE
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  • CHANGE IN THIS PART OF OUR SOUL BEGINS TO UNLOCK
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  • SOMETHING THAT SEEMS TOTALLY UNRELATED.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - BEFORE WE GET INTO A CONVERSATION ABOUT
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  • FORGIVENESS AND RECONCILIATION, I WANT TO
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  • BRING SOMETHING UP THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN
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  • GENERAL TERMS, BUT IT HAS A REAL IMPACT ON WHAT WE'RE
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  • GOING TO TALK ABOUT SHORTLY, AND THAT IS INSIDE THE
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  • RELATIONSHIP OF THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT IS
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  • OTHER-CENTERED SELF-GIVING LOVE.
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  • GOD IS AGAPE, AND AGAPE IS OTHER-CENTERED SELF-GIVING.
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  • THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS COMMITMENT WITHIN RELIGION
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  • TO SELFLESSNESS, AS IF IT WAS OF HIGH VALUE.
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  • I'VE BEEN IN SO MANY CONVERSATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE,
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  • WHERE WOMEN HAVE BEEN BETRAYED BY THEIR HUSBANDS.
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  • THEY'VE HAD THEIR HUSBANDS IN MULTIPLE AFFAIRS, AND THE
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  • WOMEN ARE QUALIFIED AS BEING SELFLESS, READY TO
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  • JUST TAKE THEM BACK.
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  • THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT SELFLESSNESS THAT SOUNDS
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  • GOOD, BUT IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG.
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  • THE FACT THAT YOU'RE CREATED WHO YOU ARE ACTUALLY
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  • MATTERS, AND IT TAKES BILLIONS OF US TO BEGIN TO
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  • GET A COMPOSITE VIEW OF THE FACE OF GOD, THE NATURE
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  • AND CHARACTER OF GOD.
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  • FOR YOU TO BECOME FULLY HUMAN, FULLY ALIVE, FULLY
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  • YOURSELF, IS ESSENTIAL AND IS PART OF WHAT GOD INTENDS
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  • FOR YOU. SELFLESSNESS IS NOT A VALUE. SELF-GIVING IS.
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  • THAT MEANS YOU HAVE BOUNDARIES.
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  • THAT MEANS YOUR CHOICES MATTER.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - FORGIVENESS, INCREDIBLY POWERFUL.
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  • IT'S NOT JUST ALWAYS AN EVENT.
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  • USUALLY, IT'S A PROCESS.
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  • WE FORGIVE, AND THEN IT COMES BACK UP, AND WE
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  • FORGIVE AGAIN, AND THEN WE LET GO AGAIN.
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  • NOW, RECONCILIATION?
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  • THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
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  • RECONCILIATION IS ABOUT REBUILDING TRUST, AND THAT
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  • WILL TAKE A LONG TIME.
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  • THE OFFENDER HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO TELL THE
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  • OFFENDED, YOU NEED TO RECONCILE WITH ME.
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  • RECONCILIATION, IF IT EVER HAPPENS, IS AN ABSOLUTE GIFT
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  • THAT'S NEVER REQUIRED, AND IT'S NEVER TO BE EXPECTED.
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  • SOME OF THESE THOUGHTS COME FROM PATRICK DOYLE IN
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  • VERITAS COUNSELING UP IN CANADA, AND I'M VERY
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  • GRATEFUL FOR THEIR INPUT.
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  • IN ORDER FOR RECONCILIATION TO EVEN BE POSSIBLE, PATRICK
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  • SAYS THERE ARE FOUR STEPS THAT HAVE TO TAKE PLACE.
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  • THE FIRST IS CONVICTION, AND CONVICTION IS BETWEEN GOD
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  • AND THE OFFENDER.
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  • THE PROBLEM IS WE THINK THAT WE CAN CONVICT SOMEONE OF
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  • THEIR SIN OR OF THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.
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  • WE CAN'T, NOT OUR JOB.
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  • IT IS THE JOB OF THE HOLY SPIRIT TO GET INSIDE THE
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  • WORLD OF SOMEONE WHO HAS LOCKED INTO ALL OF THEIR
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  • STUFF AND CONVICT THEM, TO OPEN THEM UP SO THAT THERE
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  • IS EVEN A POSSIBILITY OF HEALING FOR THEM.
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  • BUT EVEN AT THAT POINT, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE OF
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  • RECONCILIATION.
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  • THE OFFENDER HAS TO, AT SOME POINT, ABSOLUTELY OWN WHAT
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  • THEY'VE DONE, SPECIFICALLY OWN WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
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  • THE HOLY SPIRIT DOESN'T EXPOSE THINGS GENERALLY.
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  • IT'S ALWAYS SPECIFIC, SO IF SOMEBODY COMES, AND THEY'VE
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  • GOT A GENERAL APOLOGY, YOU CAN BE PRETTY SURE THAT THIS
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  • IS NOT LEGIT. CONVICTION.
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  • GODLY SORROW LEADS TO REPENTANCE.
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  • WORLDLY SORROW LEADS TO DEATH.
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  • SECOND THING, REPENTANCE.
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  • AND REPENTANCE IS A RADICAL CHANGE OF MIND THAT IS
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  • IMPACTING A RADICAL CHANGE OF BEHAVIOR OVER A
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  • LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
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  • THE OFFENDED HAS TO SEE, IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY
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  • FOR RECONCILIATION, THAT SOMEBODY HAS
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  • CONSISTENTLY CHANGED.
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  • THEN THERE IS CONFESSION.
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  • I SAY SPECIFICALLY WHAT I'VE DONE, NOT GENERALLY, BUT
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  • SPECIFICALLY. I SAY I WAS WRONG.
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  • IN NONE OF THIS DO I POINT MY FINGER, DO I BLAME SHIFT.
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  • I OWN IT. I CHANGE.
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  • I ADMIT IT, AND I ASKED FOR FORGIVENESS, THE FOURTH THING.
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  • EVEN THEN, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE OR EXPECTATION
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  • THAT RECONCILIATION WILL HAPPEN.
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  • AT NO POINT DOES THE OFFENDER HAVE THE RIGHT TO
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  • DECLARE THAT THE OFFENDED NEEDS TO BE WELL AND FIXED
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  • AND RECONCILED.
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  • IF THAT EVER HAPPENS, IT IS AN ABSOLUTE GIFT.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - I HAVE A FRIEND NAMED DAN, DAN POLK, AND DANNY, ON
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  • THE SIDE, BESIDES HELPING ME, WOULD BUY AND FLIP HOUSES,
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  • AND HE USED IT AS A WAY TO MENTOR YOUNG MEN.
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  • AND HE LOST HIS FINISH CONTRACTOR, AND HE TALKED
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  • ABOUT IT TO HIS REALTOR, AND THE REALTOR SAYS, YOU KNOW,
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  • I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS NEW KID.
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  • HE'S JUST ARRIVED IN TOWN.
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  • HE'S A YOUNG MAN, LOVES JESUS, TRUSTWORTHY, FROM
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  • EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD, AND DOES REALLY
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  • GOOD FINISH WORK.
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  • SO HE COMES OVER, AND HE'S IN THE ROOM TAKING THESE
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  • MEASUREMENTS WHEN I CALLED DANNY.
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  • SO DANNY TALKS TO ME FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES, AND WHEN
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  • GETS OFF THE PHONE, THIS YOUNG MAN TURNS TO HIM AND
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  • SAYS, WAS THAT THE PAUL YOUNG WHO WROTE "THE SHACK"?
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  • AND DANNY SAYS, YEAH, WHY?
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  • HE SAID, YOU KNOW, MY FATHER IN-LAW WENT TO SCHOOL WITH
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  • HIM IN NEW GUINEA. WHAT? HE SAID, YEAH.
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  • DANNY SAYS, WELL, YOU WANT TO TALK TO HIM?
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  • HE SAYS, SURE.
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  • SO DANNY CALLS ME BACK, AND HE GOES THROUGH
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  • THIS WHOLE SCENARIO. I SAID, REALLY?
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  • WHAT'S HIS FATHER-IN-LAW'S NAME?
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  • WHAT'S YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW'S NAME?
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  • IT WAS JOE SMITH. HERE, TALK TO HIM.
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  • SO I'M TALKING TO JOE SMITH'S SON-IN-LAW,
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  • AND WE TALK, NICE KID.
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  • TALKED FOR LIKE 10 OR 15 MINUTES, AND THEN DANNY PICK
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  • THE PHONE BACK UP, AND I SAID, DANNY, JOE SMITH WAS
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  • MY PRIMARY SEXUAL ABUSER IN BOARDING SCHOOL.
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  • [GASP]
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  • AND YOU COULD HEAR THE WIND BEING SUCKED OUT
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  • OF DANNY'S BREATH.
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  • SO I SAID, DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
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  • I FORGAVE HIM A LONG TIME AGO.
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  • WELL, UNBEKNOWNST TO ME, JOE WAS IN THE U.S.
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  • AND HE WAS ALSO STILL WORKING OVERSEAS, AND A
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  • COUPLE OF WEEKS LATER, HE SPENDS THE NIGHT AT HIS
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  • SON-IN-LAW'S HOUSE, AND HIS SON-IN-LAW SAYS, YOU WON'T
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  • BELIEVE WHO I TALKED TO ON THE PHONE.
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  • PAUL YOUNG, THE GUY WHO WROTE "THE SHACK".
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  • MEANWHILE, I'M AT A BOOK FAIR, AND I GET AN E-MAIL
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  • FROM JOE, AND IT SAYS, "WE NEED TO TALK." AND EVEN
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  • THOUGH THE FORGIVENESS HAS BEEN THERE FOR ALL OF THESE
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  • YEARS, LITTLE CROSSROADS LIKE THAT SUDDENLY RAISE ALL
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  • KINDS OF EMOTIONAL RESPONSES INSIDE OF US.
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  • I WAS AT A BOOK FAIR.
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  • I WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE THE NECK
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  • MORNING, AND ON MY WAY INTO THAT BREAKFAST OF ABOUT 250
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  • PEOPLE, I JUST CALLED THE NUMBER THAT JOE HAD LEFT,
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  • AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T TALK RIGHT NOW.
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  • I'M IN ATLANTA TRAFFIC.
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  • IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN TALK TONIGHT?
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  • AND I'M HALFWAY THROUGH "THE SHACK".
  • 00:13:17.190 --> 00:13:20.120
  • I'D LIKE TO FINISH IT BEFORE WE TALK. I SAID, SURE.
  • 00:13:20.140 --> 00:13:23.140
  • SO I WALK INTO THIS BREAKFAST, AND DURING THE
  • 00:13:23.160 --> 00:13:25.290
  • QUESTION AND RESPONSE TIME, FIRST QUESTION I GET, "PAUL,
  • 00:13:26.010 --> 00:13:29.130
  • YOU'VE INDICATED THAT THERE WAS SEXUAL ABUSE
  • 00:13:29.150 --> 00:13:32.010
  • IN BOARDING SCHOOL.
  • 00:13:32.030 --> 00:13:34.080
  • HAS ANY OF THAT BEEN RECONCILED?" AND I...
  • 00:13:34.100 --> 00:13:40.010
  • AND I BURST INTO TEARS, AND I TELL THEM ABOUT THIS
  • 00:13:40.030 --> 00:13:46.260
  • ENCOUNTER BETWEEN DANNY AND THE SON-IN-LAW OF JOE SMITH.
  • 00:13:46.280 --> 00:13:51.030
  • AND I TELL THEM I'M GOING TO BE TALKING TO HIM TONIGHT,
  • 00:13:51.050 --> 00:13:53.100
  • AND THEY PRAY FOR ME, AND WE'RE CRYING.
  • 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:56.130
  • AND THEN THAT EVENING, I CALLED THE NUMBER, AND I
  • 00:13:56.150 --> 00:14:00.120
  • STARTED THIS WAY -- BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I'D SEEN JOE
  • 00:14:00.140 --> 00:14:03.270
  • SMITH WAS YEARS BEFORE, AND I HAD LOCKED UP, AND THEN
  • 00:14:03.290 --> 00:14:07.230
  • I'D HEARD THAT ONE OF MY FRIENDS HAD CONFRONTED HIM,
  • 00:14:07.250 --> 00:14:11.150
  • AND HIS RESPONSE WAS "BOYS WILL BE BOYS." SO I STARTED
  • 00:14:11.170 --> 00:14:16.180
  • THE CONVERSATION, JOE, I DON'T KNOW IF
  • 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.140
  • THIS MATTERS TO YOU.
  • 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:23.040
  • I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CARE ABOUT THIS AT ALL, BUT THIS
  • 00:14:23.060 --> 00:14:25.200
  • DEEPLY MATTERS TO ME.
  • 00:14:25.220 --> 00:14:28.110
  • IT MATTERS THAT I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT I FORGAVE
  • 00:14:28.130 --> 00:14:32.060
  • YOU A LONG TIME AGO.
  • 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.130
  • THERE'S THIS SILENCE ON THE OTHER END OF THE PHONE,
  • 00:14:34.150 --> 00:14:37.130
  • AND THEN HE SAYS, THAT MATTERS TO ME, TOO.
  • 00:14:37.150 --> 00:14:42.120
  • AND WE START TALKING FOR ABOUT 40 MINUTES.
  • 00:14:42.140 --> 00:14:45.120
  • WE START TALKING OUR WAY THROUGH THE ABUSE.
  • 00:14:45.140 --> 00:14:49.130
  • BOARDING SCHOOL WAS HORRIBLE FOR US.
  • 00:14:49.150 --> 00:14:53.050
  • IF I WAS TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT WE WENT
  • 00:14:53.070 --> 00:14:55.230
  • THROUGH, OF ALL THE KIDS, JOE, WHO IS PROBABLY
  • 00:14:55.250 --> 00:14:58.250
  • A.D.H.D., WHO KNOWS?
  • 00:14:58.270 --> 00:15:01.100
  • BUT HE SPENT PROBABLY HALF OF HIS ELEMENTARY
  • 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.040
  • EDUCATION IN LOCK UP.
  • 00:15:04.060 --> 00:15:06.140
  • THERE WAS A DAY WHERE HE WAS REQUIRED TO LAY ON THE
  • 00:15:06.160 --> 00:15:09.000
  • CONCRETE, AND EVERY STUDENT IN THAT SCHOOL WAS REQUIRED
  • 00:15:09.020 --> 00:15:11.190
  • TO KICK HIM AS HARD AS WE COULD TO PROVE TO HIM WHAT A
  • 00:15:11.210 --> 00:15:16.140
  • PIECE OF CRAP HE WAS.
  • 00:15:16.160 --> 00:15:19.040
  • SO WE WALK THROUGH OUR STUFF, AND AT THE END OF THE
  • 00:15:19.060 --> 00:15:23.010
  • CONVERSATION, HE SAYS, I'M LEAVING TO GO BACK OVERSEAS
  • 00:15:23.030 --> 00:15:26.000
  • THIS FALL. CAN I SEE YOU? I SAID, I DON'T KNOW, MAN.
  • 00:15:26.020 --> 00:15:29.210
  • MY SCHEDULE IS KIND OF CRAZY.
  • 00:15:29.230 --> 00:15:32.220
  • BUT IT WORKED OUT THAT WHEN I LANDED IN NORTH CAROLINA,
  • 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:36.290
  • JOE DROVE UP FROM ATLANTA, AND WE MET AT A RESTAURANT,
  • 00:15:37.010 --> 00:15:40.170
  • ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER, JUST HE AND I,
  • 00:15:40.190 --> 00:15:45.100
  • AND WE FINISHED IT.
  • 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:49.180
  • AND THEN JOE DRIVES ME OVER TO WHERE DANNY'S WAITING FOR
  • 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:53.060
  • ME, AND WHAT BEGAN WITH THIS ENCOUNTER WITH DANNY ENDS
  • 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.150
  • WITH DANNY MEETING JOE SMITH.
  • 00:15:56.170 --> 00:16:02.130
  • FORGIVENESS IS ONE THING.
  • 00:16:02.150 --> 00:16:07.000
  • THE ARDUOUS PROCESS OF RECONCILIATION IS SOMETHING
  • 00:16:07.020 --> 00:16:10.170
  • COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
  • 00:16:10.190 --> 00:16:13.180
  • WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO,
  • 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.190
  • AND AT THE HEART OF IT IS IF YOU'RE NOT A PERSON, IF YOU
  • 00:16:16.210 --> 00:16:22.190
  • THINK THAT SELFLESSNESS MEANS YOU NEED TO BE A DOOR
  • 00:16:22.210 --> 00:16:25.080
  • MAT, YOU NEED TO OPEN UP YOUR LIFE FOR SOME CHANGE
  • 00:16:25.100 --> 00:16:29.180
  • AND BECOME A REAL PERSON.
  • 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.000
  • IN THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE
  • 00:16:32.020 --> 00:16:33.290
  • FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT, NONE OF THE MEMBERS
  • 00:16:34.010 --> 00:16:37.180
  • OF THE TRINITY ARE EVER DIMINISHED NOR ABSORBED.
  • 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.150
  • THE SPIRIT NEVER BECOMES THE FATHER.
  • 00:16:41.170 --> 00:16:44.030
  • THE SON NEVER BECOMES THE SPIRIT.
  • 00:16:44.050 --> 00:16:46.140
  • WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT COMES TO JESUS, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS
  • 00:16:46.160 --> 00:16:49.130
  • NOT THERE TO ADD SOMETHING TO JESUS, BUT TO
  • 00:16:49.150 --> 00:16:52.190
  • CELEBRATE WHO HE IS.
  • 00:16:52.210 --> 00:16:54.290
  • WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT COMES TO YOU, THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS
  • 00:16:55.010 --> 00:16:57.190
  • COME TO CELEBRATE WHO YOU ARE.
  • 00:16:57.210 --> 00:17:01.090
  • LET US, TOGETHER, GROW UP INTO BEING WHO WE WERE
  • 00:17:01.110 --> 00:17:08.200
  • ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE; THESE INCREDIBLE CREATIONS, NEW
  • 00:17:08.220 --> 00:17:12.180
  • CREATIONS, FULLY HUMAN, FULLY ALIVE.
  • 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:19.020
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:17:19.040 --> 00:17:31.190
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:17:31.190 --> 00:17:39.080
  • - I WANT TO READ YOU AN E-MAIL THAT I
  • 00:17:39.100 --> 00:17:40.270
  • GOT THIS MORNING.
  • 00:17:40.290 --> 00:17:42.250
  • THIS TELLS YOU HOW FRESH SOME OF THIS IS, AND I'VE
  • 00:17:42.270 --> 00:17:45.120
  • ALREADY BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THESE FOLKS AND GOTTEN
  • 00:17:45.140 --> 00:17:48.070
  • PERMISSION TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU.
  • 00:17:48.090 --> 00:17:53.020
  • "I WANTED TO WRITE YOU ABOUT MY SISTER NAMED CAROL.
  • 00:17:53.040 --> 00:17:56.270
  • HER STORY IS ONE OF PARENTAL, SEXUAL ABUSE
  • 00:17:56.290 --> 00:18:01.040
  • OCCURRING SOME 50 YEARS AGO FROM THE AGE OF FIVE
  • 00:18:01.060 --> 00:18:04.110
  • INTO HER EARLY TEENS.
  • 00:18:04.130 --> 00:18:07.110
  • THIS OCCURRED AT HER SHACK ON CARTER AFTER, THE HOUSE
  • 00:18:07.130 --> 00:18:11.100
  • WHERE MY PARENTS RAISED A LARGE FAMILY.
  • 00:18:11.120 --> 00:18:16.120
  • CAROL ENTERED INTO A DEEPENING RELATIONSHIP WITH
  • 00:18:16.140 --> 00:18:20.090
  • JESUS AS A LITTLE GIRL, BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL HER COLLEGE
  • 00:18:20.110 --> 00:18:23.010
  • YEARS SHE BROUGHT JESUS BACK TO THE FAMILY.
  • 00:18:23.030 --> 00:18:26.150
  • OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, ALL OF US HAVE LEARNED TO LOVE
  • 00:18:26.170 --> 00:18:29.210
  • JESUS AS THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE.
  • 00:18:29.230 --> 00:18:33.110
  • IT TOOK MY FATHER UNTIL HIS DEATH BED, BUT HE, TOO,
  • 00:18:33.130 --> 00:18:36.200
  • ENTERED RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS.
  • 00:18:36.220 --> 00:18:39.080
  • AND CAROL'S A STRONG PERSON.
  • 00:18:39.100 --> 00:18:41.260
  • SHE BELIEVES IN A BIG, GOOD GOD, ONE THAT WORKS MIRACLES
  • 00:18:41.280 --> 00:18:46.080
  • THAT ARE BEYOND OUR COMPREHENSION, AND SHE'S
  • 00:18:46.100 --> 00:18:49.280
  • SOWN COUNTLESS SEEDS TALKING TO MANY PEOPLE ABOUT JESUS.
  • 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:55.200
  • I OWE MY RELATIONSHIP TO JESUS TO HER.
  • 00:18:55.220 --> 00:18:58.260
  • FOR 50 YEARS, CAROL HAS SUFFERED FROM THE TORTURE US
  • 00:18:58.280 --> 00:19:03.010
  • MEMORIES OF SEXUAL ABUSE ADMINISTERED BY MY
  • 00:19:03.030 --> 00:19:05.220
  • FATHER, HER FATHER.
  • 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:08.100
  • 50 YEARS OF DEPRESSION, INSOMNIA,
  • 00:19:08.120 --> 00:19:11.150
  • AND SEVERE AGORAPHOBIA.
  • 00:19:11.170 --> 00:19:13.230
  • THE DEMONS OF CARTER AFTER POKING AND PRODDING.
  • 00:19:13.250 --> 00:19:18.030
  • EVEN THROUGH THEIR CONSTANT PRAYER AND CLOSENESS TO GOD,
  • 00:19:18.050 --> 00:19:21.050
  • SHE WASN'T ABLE TO BE NORMAL.
  • 00:19:21.070 --> 00:19:24.050
  • SHE FORGAVE MY FATHER FACE-TO-FACE 27 YEARS AGO.
  • 00:19:24.070 --> 00:19:27.240
  • SHE PRAYED, TALKED TO HIM, NEVER GAVE UP ON HIM, TALKED
  • 00:19:27.260 --> 00:19:31.210
  • TO HIM ON HIS DEATH BED.
  • 00:19:31.230 --> 00:19:33.250
  • WHO DOES THAT?
  • 00:19:33.270 --> 00:19:35.270
  • SEXUALLY ABUSED AND THEN TORMENTED BY IT, AND SHE
  • 00:19:35.290 --> 00:19:39.200
  • FIGHTS TO SAVE HER FATHER'S SOUL.
  • 00:19:39.220 --> 00:19:43.160
  • DURING HER YEARS OF SUFFERING, SHE DIDN'T HAVE
  • 00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:46.080
  • WHY THOSE THINGS HAPPENED TO HER.
  • 00:19:46.100 --> 00:19:48.130
  • SHE WAS ASKING WHY THE DEPRESSION?
  • 00:19:48.150 --> 00:19:50.170
  • WHY THE INSOMNIA? WHY THE AGORAPHOBIA?
  • 00:19:50.190 --> 00:19:54.110
  • HADN'T SHE SUFFERED ENOUGH?
  • 00:19:54.130 --> 00:19:57.130
  • OKAY, PEOPLE SAY IT'S GOD'S WILL, BUT REALLY?
  • 00:19:57.150 --> 00:20:01.020
  • 50 YEARS OF THIS? HAD GOD ABANDONED HER?
  • 00:20:01.040 --> 00:20:06.020
  • CAROL FELT THAT SHE WAS LEFT ON HER OWN.
  • 00:20:06.040 --> 00:20:08.240
  • USED AND ABUSED IS ONE THING, BUT THROWN TO THE
  • 00:20:08.260 --> 00:20:10.210
  • CURB TO SUFFER FOR SO LONG?
  • 00:20:10.230 --> 00:20:14.050
  • I RECENTLY SENT HER A COPY OF YOUR BOOK AFTER
  • 00:20:14.070 --> 00:20:16.120
  • READING IT MYSELF.
  • 00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:18.060
  • THE BOOK TOUCHED ME, AND I WANTED HER OPINION
  • 00:20:18.080 --> 00:20:19.240
  • OF ITS CONTENTS.
  • 00:20:19.260 --> 00:20:21.190
  • SHE READ IT, AND THE RESPONSE I GOT FROM HER WAS
  • 00:20:21.210 --> 00:20:23.090
  • NOT WHAT I EXPECTED.
  • 00:20:23.110 --> 00:20:26.040
  • "THE SHACK"BROUGHT HER TO TEARS,
  • 00:20:26.060 --> 00:20:28.050
  • I'M TALKING TEARS FROM THE VERY DEPTH OF HER SOUL.
  • 00:20:28.070 --> 00:20:33.190
  • I WASN'T SURE WHAT WAS GOING ON UNTIL SHE TOLD ME THE
  • 00:20:33.210 --> 00:20:37.110
  • FULL STORY OF HER SHACK.
  • 00:20:37.130 --> 00:20:39.090
  • YOU SEE, EVEN THOUGH THE BOOK I'M SURE REKINDLED
  • 00:20:39.110 --> 00:20:42.130
  • THOSE AWFUL MOMENTS FOR HER, IT'S THE PART ABOUT MACK'S
  • 00:20:42.150 --> 00:20:46.130
  • COMMUNION WITH THE TRINITY.
  • 00:20:46.150 --> 00:20:48.280
  • CAROL BELIEVES THIS CAN HAPPEN.
  • 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.050
  • SHE WANTS TO HAVE THIS SIT DOWN WITH GOD.
  • 00:20:51.070 --> 00:20:53.280
  • SHE HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
  • 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:55.290
  • SHE WANTS TO SAY THAT SHE ACCEPTS HER CROSS, BUT SHE
  • 00:20:56.010 --> 00:21:00.200
  • TELLS ME, SHE KNOWS THAT SHE HASN'T BEEN ABANDONED.
  • 00:21:00.220 --> 00:21:05.060
  • "THE SHACK", FICTION OR NOT, IS REAL TO HER.
  • 00:21:05.080 --> 00:21:08.140
  • THE HOPE OF SPENDING A WEEKEND IS REAL TO HER.
  • 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.200
  • SHE WROTE ME A LETTER IN GRAPHIC DETAIL TOLD ME THE
  • 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:15.080
  • ABUSE AND THE STORY.
  • 00:21:15.100 --> 00:21:18.040
  • MAN, THE ANGER THAT SURFACED IN ME.
  • 00:21:18.060 --> 00:21:21.010
  • I PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN IT.
  • 00:21:21.030 --> 00:21:22.200
  • I DIDN'T SLEEP.
  • 00:21:22.220 --> 00:21:24.190
  • THE THOUGHTS IN MY HEAD WERE TURNING ME
  • 00:21:24.210 --> 00:21:26.100
  • AROUND AND AROUND.
  • 00:21:26.120 --> 00:21:28.120
  • I KNEW I WAS GOING TO CALL HER IN THE MORNING, BUT WHAT
  • 00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:30.150
  • WAS I GOING TO SAY TO HER?
  • 00:21:30.170 --> 00:21:32.140
  • WHAT WORDS TO COMFORT HER? I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
  • 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:35.280
  • NO BULLET POINTS. NO CATCH PHRASES.
  • 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:40.200
  • NOTHING THAT I THOUGHT WOULD HELP, AND I FELL ASLEEP.
  • 00:21:40.220 --> 00:21:44.270
  • I DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT WHEN I WOKE UP, I HAD THIS
  • 00:21:44.290 --> 00:21:47.110
  • THOUGHT: I REALIZED, AFTER HEARING ALL THE DETAILS,
  • 00:21:47.130 --> 00:21:53.140
  • I WAS NOT ASHAMED OF HER.
  • 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:58.290
  • I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO FIX HER, BUT I KNEW I WASN'T
  • 00:21:59.010 --> 00:22:01.290
  • ASHAMED OF HER.
  • 00:22:02.010 --> 00:22:04.130
  • I DIDN'T SEE HER FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN MY
  • 00:22:04.150 --> 00:22:07.150
  • BEAUTIFUL SISTER.
  • 00:22:07.170 --> 00:22:10.210
  • I SENSED HOLY SPIRIT WAS WORKING, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
  • 00:22:10.230 --> 00:22:13.160
  • TOLD ME, "CALL HER NOW, AND JUST SAY TO HER YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:22:13.180 --> 00:22:18.060
  • ASHAMED." I DID.
  • 00:22:18.080 --> 00:22:22.200
  • WE HAD A LONG TALK IN THE MORNING, AND THE RESULTS,
  • 00:22:22.220 --> 00:22:25.290
  • WELL, HERE'S THE E-MAIL I JUST RECEIVED.
  • 00:22:26.010 --> 00:22:29.230
  • 'DEAR BILL, YOU DID SOMETHING FOR ME ON MONDAY
  • 00:22:29.250 --> 00:22:38.130
  • THAT NO OTHER FAMILY MEMBER HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO.
  • 00:22:38.150 --> 00:22:44.210
  • YOU MET ME AT CARTER AVENUE.
  • 00:22:44.230 --> 00:22:48.000
  • YOU MET ME IN THE SHACK.
  • 00:22:48.020 --> 00:22:50.190
  • HAND-IN-HAND, YOU AND I WALKED THROUGH EVERY ROOM.
  • 00:22:50.210 --> 00:22:55.030
  • WE OPENED EVERY CRAWL SPACE.
  • 00:22:55.050 --> 00:22:57.200
  • WE LOOKED BEHIND EVERY DOOR IN INVESTIGATED
  • 00:22:57.220 --> 00:23:00.180
  • UNDER EVERY BED.
  • 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.270
  • MY BIG, STRONG BROTHER WENT INTO THE SCARIEST PLACE ON
  • 00:23:03.290 --> 00:23:07.270
  • EARTH WITH ME AND PROVED THAT THERE WAS
  • 00:23:07.290 --> 00:23:11.070
  • NOTHING TO FEAR. NOPE, NO MONSTER HERE.
  • 00:23:11.090 --> 00:23:15.280
  • NOPE, NO MONSTER HERE, EITHER.
  • 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:19.000
  • IN MY DREAMS, I'VE BEEN BACK THERE SO MANY TIMES,
  • 00:23:19.020 --> 00:23:22.070
  • BUT ALWAYS ALONE UNTIL NOW. HOW CAN I THANK YOU?
  • 00:23:22.090 --> 00:23:27.170
  • YOU PRAYED THAT I WOULD HAVE A FACE-TO-FACE MEETING
  • 00:23:27.190 --> 00:23:30.130
  • WITH THE TRINITY.
  • 00:23:30.150 --> 00:23:32.190
  • WHAT YOU DID IS THE NEXT BEST THING.
  • 00:23:32.210 --> 00:23:36.160
  • A MIRACLE IS TAKING PLACE.
  • 00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:39.020
  • LIFE IS BEING BREATHED INTO THE DEAD.'"
  • 00:23:39.040 --> 00:23:44.040
  • I HAVE FRIENDS WHO CAN'T REMEMBER
  • 00:23:46.060 --> 00:23:49.290
  • NOT SUFFERING AND BEING IN PAIN.
  • 00:23:50.010 --> 00:23:55.000
  • THERE ARE NO QUICK ANSWERS TO THIS, BUT THERE IS A GOD
  • 00:23:55.020 --> 00:24:00.100
  • WHO KNOWS SUFFERING, AND SOMEHOW THERE'S A MYSTERY
  • 00:24:00.120 --> 00:24:05.150
  • ABOUT ALL OF THIS, THAT WE GET TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
  • 00:24:05.170 --> 00:24:09.140
  • SUFFERINGS OF JESUS, NOT IN SOME KIND OF MASOCHISTIC
  • 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:14.210
  • WAY, BUT A GOD WHO ENTERS THIS BROKEN WORLD IN ORDER
  • 00:24:14.230 --> 00:24:18.160
  • TO BE WITH BROKEN HUMANITY.
  • 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:20.260
  • AND IN TURN, WE GET TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MIDST OF
  • 00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:25.150
  • OUR OWN SUFFERINGS, AS WELL AS IN THE SUFFERINGS OF
  • 00:24:25.170 --> 00:24:28.190
  • THOSE AROUND US.
  • 00:24:28.210 --> 00:24:31.010
  • WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLACES WE WERE HURT AND LOOK
  • 00:24:31.030 --> 00:24:36.120
  • FOR THE GOD WHO IS ALWAYS THERE.
  • 00:24:36.140 --> 00:24:40.060
  • - WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A GOD WHO IS A GOOD
  • 00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:45.250
  • COMMUNICATOR, A GOD WHO WANTS TO BE KNOWN, A GOD
  • 00:24:45.270 --> 00:24:49.250
  • WHO IS RELATIONAL AND KNOWS US.
  • 00:24:49.270 --> 00:24:52.260
  • WE'RE NEVER GOING TO COMPREHEND EVERYTHING
  • 00:24:52.280 --> 00:24:55.050
  • ABOUT GOD. THAT'S NOT A POSSIBILITY.
  • 00:24:55.070 --> 00:24:58.100
  • IT'S IN MASS OF EXPLORATION FOR ETERNITY.
  • 00:24:58.120 --> 00:25:01.110
  • SO WHAT ARE YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW ABOUT GOD, ABOUT
  • 00:25:01.130 --> 00:25:05.250
  • LIFE, ABOUT RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD?
  • 00:25:05.270 --> 00:25:11.050
  • WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WRITE THOSE QUESTIONS DOWN
  • 00:25:11.070 --> 00:25:15.120
  • AND MAYBE SHARE THEM WITH A FRIEND?
  • 00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:19.200
  • WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
  • 00:25:19.220 --> 00:25:21.280
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