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Words | Episode 18

Watch Words | Episode 18
July 16, 2018
27:00

Restoring the Shack

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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - PAUL YOUNG: MY NAME IS PAUL YOUNG, AND I'M THE AUTHOR OF THE SHACK.
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  • I WANT TO INVITE YOU ON AN ADVENTURE WITH ME AND
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  • WITH THE BOOK.
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  • A LOT OF YOU HAVE READ IT.
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  • YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • SOME OF YOU HAVE JUST HEARD ABOUT IT AND YOU
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  • HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • THIS IS A BOOK THAT ALLOWS US TO EXPLORE RELATIONSHIP
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  • WITH THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT, QUESTIONS THAT WE
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  • HAVE ABOUT HURT AND LOSS AND GRIEF, QUESTIONS
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  • ABOUT WONDER AND BEAUTY AND JOY.
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  • WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LIVE A LIFE OF FAITH?
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  • WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT DEATH?
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  • WHY DO TRAGIC THINGS HAPPEN TO US?
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  • THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE,
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  • AND I WOULD LOVE YOU TO COME WITH ME.
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  • THIS IS AN INVITATION.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - PAUL YOUNG: SO I'M GOING TO READ YOU A
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  • LITTLE SECTION FROM THE END OF CHAPTER 14, AND
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  • IT'S ABOUT THE ISSUE OF PRIORITIES BECAUSE THAT'S
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  • SORT OF A BUZZWORD FOR A LOT OF US IS ABOUT MAKING
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  • GOD A PRIORITY AND YOU HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.
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  • AND THERE'S A CONVERSATION THAT TAKES
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  • PLACE IN WHICH MACKENZIE IS ASKING ABOUT THIS.
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  • HE WASN'T CONVINCED.
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  • BUT DON'T YOU WANT US TO SET PRIORITIES?
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  • YOU KNOW, GOD FIRST THEN WHATEVER FOLLOWED BY WHATEVER?
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  • THE TROUBLE WITH LIVING BY PRIORITIES, SARAYU
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  • SAID, IS THAT EVERYTHING IS SEEN AS A HIERARCHY, A
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  • PYRAMID, AND YOU AND I HAVE ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
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  • IF YOU PUT GOD AT THE TOP, WHAT DOES THAT
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  • REALLY MEAN?
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  • AND HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?
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  • HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU GIVE ME BEFORE YOU CAN GO
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  • ABOUT THE REST OF YOUR DAY?
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  • THE PART THAT INTERESTS ME IS NOT THE PART THAT
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  • INTERESTS YOU SO MUCH.
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  • PAPA AGAIN INTERRUPTED, YOU SEE, MACKENZIE,
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  • I DON'T JUST WANT A PIECE OF YOU AND A PIECE OF
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  • YOUR LIFE.
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  • EVEN IF YOU WERE ABLE WHICH YOU ARE NOT TO GIVE
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  • ME THE BIGGEST PIECE, THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT.
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  • I WANT ALL OF YOU AND ALL OF EVERY PART OF YOU
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  • AND YOUR DAY.
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  • PRIORITIES.
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  • THERE WAS THIS CONVERSATION THAT JESUS
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  • HAD WITH THE PHARISEES, AND THEY WERE ASKING
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  • ABOUT SOMETHING SIMILAR, WHICH IS THE
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  • GREATEST COMMANDMENT?
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  • AND JESUS ANSWERED IT IN A VERY UNIQUE WAY.
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  • HE SAID THE FIRST AND FOREMOST IS LOVE GOD WITH ALL
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  • YOUR HEART, SOUL, MIND AND STRENGTH.
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  • AND THEN HE SAID, BUT THE SECOND IS LIKE IT.
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  • HOW IS IT LIKE IT?
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  • WELL, IT IS ALSO FIRST AND FOREMOST LOVE YOUR
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  • NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.
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  • AND HE TOOK THIS HIERARCHAL THINKING, THIS PYRAMID-
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  • SHAPED THINKING AND HE CREATED A CIRCLE OUT OF
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  • IT, A COMPLETE SPECTRUM OF RELATIONSHIP.
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  • NOW, THIS CIRCLE IDEA HAS BEEN THERE SINCE FOREVER,
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  • A CIRCLE OF RELATIONSHIP.
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  • WHEN THE EARLY CHURCH WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW
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  • TO TALK ABOUT GOD BEING ONE AND YET THERE BEING
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  • PERSONS INVOLVED, THAT IS THREE PERSONS, IN THE
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  • BEGINNING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS TURNED
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  • TOWARD GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
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  • SO WE HAVE JESUS, THE LOGOS, AND GOD THE FATHER.
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  • AND WE ALSO HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS GOD.
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  • SO HOW DO YOU TALK ABOUT THAT?
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  • BECAUSE THE ACCUSATION WAS WELL, YOU'RE JUST A
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  • BUNCH OF POLYTHEISTS.
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  • YOU JUST BELIEVE IN MANY GODS, AND THEY ADAMANTLY
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  • SAID NO, THAT IS NOT THE TRUTH.
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  • AND AS THEY WORKED ON THIS OVER A FEW HUNDRED
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  • YEARS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS TAKE TIME,
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  • THEY CAME UP WITH A WORD AND IT'S A VERY SPECIAL
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  • WORD IN THE GREEK.
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  • IT'S PERICHORESIS OR AS THE GREEKS WOULD SAY
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  • (WITH GREEK ACCENT)PERICHORESIS, AND IT MEANS THE MUTUAL INNER
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  • PENETRATION WITHOUT THE LOSS OF PERSONHOOD.
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  • IT IS PICTURED AS THE GREAT DANCE OR THE CIRCLE
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  • OF RELATIONSHIP IN WHICH THE FATHER IS SUBMITTED
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  • TO THE SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT IS SUBMITTED TO THE FATHER.
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  • THE SON IS SUBMITTED TO THE SPIRIT.
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  • THERE IS THIS MOVING DYNAMIC RELATIONAL DANCE
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  • THAT IS IN A CIRCLE, AND THIS IS WHERE WE WERE
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  • CREATED AS INSIDE THAT CIRCLE.
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  • - WORDS MEAN A LOT TO ME.
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  • IF YOU'VE READ THE SHACK, YOU KNOW THAT I SPEND A
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  • GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME WORKING WITH WORDS.
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  • I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT, THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WAS
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  • CREATED BY A WORD, AND THE WORD IS JESUS.
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  • HE CREATES EVERYTHING.
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  • HE IS THE CREATOR.
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  • A WORD.
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  • BUT LIGHT, LET THERE BE LIGHT, LIGHT BE, LIGHT WAS. WORD.
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  • YOU KNOW, THAT OUR LIVES WORDS HAVE HAD HUGE IMPACT.
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  • IF WE WERE TOLD GROWING UP THAT WE WERE
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  • WORTHLESS, SOMEBODY WISHED WE HAD NEVER BEEN
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  • BORN, THAT WE'RE SHAMEFUL, THAT WE WERE A
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  • WHORE OR THAT WE WERE USELESS, THOSE WORDS TAKE
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  • YEARS TO HEAL FROM.
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  • WORDS ARE POWERFUL, BUT SO ARE WORDS OF KINDNESS
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  • AND AFFECTION AND AFFIRMATION.
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  • AND WORDS TRAIN US.
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  • WE GET TRAINED BY THE WORDS WE USE.
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  • THERE ARE A LOT OF WORDS LIKE THAT.
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  • NOT LONG AGO I WAS INVITED TO BE A SPEAKER
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  • ON A CRUISE, ONLY CRUISE I'VE EVER BEEN ON, AND I
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  • GOT TO MEET JARED WHO IS AN ARTIST.
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  • I LOVE HANGING AROUND ARTISTS BECAUSE LIKE
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  • CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN THEY LOOK
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  • AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY, AND YOU CAN LEARN A LOT.
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  • BUT IN OUR CONVERSATION JARED HAD MADE A COMMENT
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  • THAT I DISAGREED WITH, AND IT'S PARTLY BECAUSE I
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  • COME FROM THE BACKGROUND THAT WOULD USUALLY HAVE
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  • ACCEPTED THAT COMMENT AT FACE VALUE.
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  • AND THE INTENT OF HIS HEART IS CLEAR, BUT THE WORDS
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  • THAT HE WAS TRAINED WITH ARE ALSO OBVIOUS ONCE YOU
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  • THINK ABOUT THEM.
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  • AND HE SAID TO ME, I WANT TO BE A TOOL USED BY GOD.
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  • AND I DISAGREED WITH HIM.
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  • I SAID JARED, LOOK, TELL ME ABOUT YOUR TOOLS AND
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  • YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
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  • I MEAN, DO YOU TELL YOUR SECRETS TO YOUR BRUSHES?
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  • I MEAN, DO YOU TALK TO YOUR CANVAS?
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  • I MEAN TOOLS YOU DON'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH,
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  • AND I COME FROM A SEXUAL ABUSE BACKGROUND.
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  • FRANKLY I DON'T WANT TO BE USED BY ANYBODY, AND I
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  • DON'T THINK GOD USES ANYBODY.
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  • I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S HOW GOD INVOLVES US
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  • IN RELATIONSHIP.
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  • I DON'T THINK WE'RE USED BY GOD.
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  • I MEAN, WOULD YOU SAY TO YOUR OWN CHILDREN I
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  • REALLY WANT TO USE YOU SO THAT I CAN FEEL BETTER
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  • ABOUT MYSELF?
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  • YOU'D NEVER SAY THAT TO YOUR CHILD, AND YET WE
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  • THINK GOD IS SAYING I'M GOING TO USE YOU.
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  • IT'S NOT PART OF OUR LANGUAGE OR SHOULD NOT BE
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  • PART OF OUR LANGUAGE.
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  • I DON'T THINK GOD USES US.
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  • I THINK GOD HEALS US BECAUSE HE LOVES US, AND
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  • THEN HE INVITES US TO PLAY.
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  • - WE WERE INTENDED TO PARTICIPATE, NOT IN A
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  • HIERARCHY OF PRIORITIES.
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  • PAPA SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A HIERARCHY.
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  • IT'S MORE LIKE A MOBILE.
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  • YOU KNOW, A MOBILE THAT HAS ALL THESE MOVING
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  • PARTS, AND EVERYTHING IS SHIFTING DEPENDING ON THE
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  • BREEZE, DEPENDING ON THE WIND, AND SO IN MY WORLD
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  • I'VE GOT MY RELATIONSHIP WITH KIM, I'VE GOT MY
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  • RELATIONSHIP WITH MY CHILDREN, I'VE GOT MY
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  • RELATIONSHIP WITH FRIENDS, WITH ENEMIES.
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  • IT'S ALL MOVING. IT'S ALL SHIFTING.
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  • AND INSIDE THAT GREAT DANCE,
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  • INSIDE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FATHER,
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  • SON AND HOLY SPIRIT, I CAN LISTEN,
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  • I CAN INTERACT, I CAN LEARN HOW TO BE
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  • AUTHENTIC, I CAN LEARN HOW TO ASK FOR
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  • FORGIVENESS AND FORGIVE.
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  • I CAN LEARN HOW TO BE KIND.
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  • ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING INSIDE THE CIRCLE,
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  • NOT INSIDE A SYSTEM OF PRIORITIES THAT JUDGE MY
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  • ABILITY TO PERFORM, NOT INSIDE PUTTING GOD FIRST
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  • WHATEVER THAT MEANS BECAUSE THEN PAPA'S
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  • RIGHT, HOW WOULD YOU EVER KNOW WHEN ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?
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  • WHAT IS PUTTING GOD FIRST IN TERMS OF PRAYER OR
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  • READING SCRIPTURE OR GIVING?
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  • NOTHING IS EVER ENOUGH. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
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  • NOBODY KNOWS BECAUSE IT'S NEVER BEEN ABOUT ENOUGH.
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  • IT'S NEVER BEEN ABOUT PRIORITIES.
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  • IT'S BEEN ABOUT GOD BEING AT THE CENTER OF
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  • EVERYTHING, THAT JESUS IS AT THE CENTER OF
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  • EVERYTHING, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS AT THE CENTER
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  • OF EVERYTHING AND THEY CREATED YOU TO BE
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  • AT THE CENTER OF THAT.
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  • [JOYFUL MUSIC]
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  • [JOYFUL MUSIC]
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  • THIS IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIP,
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  • NOT A GOD WHO USES US, AND WE ARE NOT TOOLS.
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  • THERE ARE OTHER WORDS LIKE THAT.
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  • IN THE BOOK, I TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
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  • EXPECTATIONS AND EXPECTANCY.
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  • MOST OF US WE LIVE IN A WORLD FULL OF
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  • EXPECTATIONS, AND WE THEN TRANSFER THAT
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  • ON THE FACE OF GOD.
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  • THAT GOD HAS ALL THESE EXPECTATIONS FOR US.
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  • ONE OF THE BIG SURPRISES IN THE BOOK THAT I WROTE
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  • THAT GOD IS NEVER DISAPPOINTED IN YOU,
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  • NEVER DISAPPOINTED IN ME.
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  • GRIEVED, YES BECAUSE WE DO STUPID,
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  • HURTFUL THINGS, BUT DISAPPOINTED, NEVER.
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  • THIS IS A GOD WHO KNOWS US AND KNOWS WHAT OUR
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  • RESPONSE IS GOING TO BE AND THEREFORE
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  • HAS NO EXPECTATIONS.
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  • THIS IS A GOD WHO WORKS WITHIN OUR WORLD TO BEGIN
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  • TO CAUSE TRANSFORMATION.
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  • THIS IS A GOD WHO LOVES US.
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  • EXPECTANCY, THERE IS A WORD THAT IS A WORD OF A
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  • CHILD. WE LIVE IN EXPECTANCY.
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  • CHILDREN, EVERYTHING'S ABOUT THE NEXT MOMENT.
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  • IT'S NOT ABOUT A FIVE YEAR PLAN,
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  • IT'S NOT ABOUT AGENDA.
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  • IT'S ABOUT LIVING INSIDE THIS MOMENT AND THE
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  • SURPRISE AND THE EXPECTANCY.
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  • EXPECTATIONS ARE RULES.
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  • YOU KNOW HOW IF YOU'RE IN A RELATIONSHIP AND IT'S
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  • BEEN FREE FLOWING, IT'S A FRIENDSHIP,
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  • AND THEN SUDDENLY THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT YOU
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  • SHOULD BE SPENDING MORE TIME, OR THIS AND
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  • IT BEGINS TO KILL THE SENSE OF RELATIONSHIP.
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  • THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DESIGNED FOR EXPECTATIONS.
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  • TO THE DEGREE THAT EXPECTATIONS LIVE IN OUR
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  • LIFE, TO THAT DEGREE, WE WILL FEEL ENSLAVED.
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  • WHEN YOU LEARN TO LIVE WITHOUT EXPECTATIONS,
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  • EVERYTHING'S A GIFT.
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  • WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXPECTATION AND YOU SET
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  • THAT BAR, NOTHING BELOW THAT IS CONSIDERED A GIFT
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  • BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T MEET THE EXPECTATION.
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  • THERE'S ANOTHER WORD THAT IS COMMON IN OUR USAGE
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  • THAT I WANT TO, I WOULD LIKE TO OBLITERATE IN
  • 00:12:24.290 --> 00:12:27.120
  • CERTAIN RESPECTS.
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  • I UNDERSTAND IT IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS BUT WE
  • 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.100
  • THINK IT'S IN THE BIBLE, WE THINK IT'S IN
  • 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.020
  • SCRIPTURE AND IT'S NOT.
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  • IF YOU--I HAVE A THEOLOGICAL BACKGROUND,
  • 00:12:35.090 --> 00:12:40.010
  • BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AND ONE OF MY RESOURCES IS
  • 00:12:40.030 --> 00:12:43.220
  • THIS TEN MASSIVE VOLUME OF KITTEL'S
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  • THEOLOGICAL DICTIONARY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WORDS.
  • 00:12:47.150 --> 00:12:49.290
  • EVERY ONE OF THOSE VOLUMES IS LIKE
  • 00:12:50.010 --> 00:12:53.030
  • 500 TO 1.000 PAGES AND SMALL SINGLE SPACED,
  • 00:12:53.050 --> 00:12:58.050
  • AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE INDEX,
  • 00:12:58.070 --> 00:13:00.170
  • WHICH IS VOLUME 10, AND YOU GO THROUGH THE WORDS
  • 00:13:00.190 --> 00:13:04.260
  • IN ENGLISH THAT HAVE A GREEK EQUIVALENT BECAUSE
  • 00:13:04.280 --> 00:13:09.050
  • THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS
  • 00:13:09.070 --> 00:13:11.090
  • GREEK, THERE IS A WORD THAT YOU'LL BE SURPRISED
  • 00:13:11.110 --> 00:13:14.100
  • IS NOT IN THERE AND THAT'S THE WORD
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  • RESPONSIBILITY.
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  • THE WORD RESPONSIBILITY IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE.
  • 00:13:19.220 --> 00:13:23.030
  • AND IF YOU LOOK FOR THE OLD TESTAMENT OR HEBREW
  • 00:13:23.050 --> 00:13:25.050
  • SCRIPTURE VERSION, IT'S NOT THERE EITHER.
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  • THAT'S A SURPRISE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
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  • SOMEHOW IN THE LAST FEW HUNDRED YEARS,
  • 00:13:30.270 --> 00:13:33.000
  • WE'VE TAKEN THE WORD RESPONSIBILITY AND WE
  • 00:13:33.020 --> 00:13:35.210
  • HAVE ABSOLUTELY INDOCTRINATED OURSELVES
  • 00:13:35.230 --> 00:13:38.140
  • WITH IT TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S BECOME A
  • 00:13:38.160 --> 00:13:40.280
  • SACRED TERM AND IT'S NOT EVEN IN SCRIPTURE.
  • 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:45.250
  • A RESPONSIBILITY IS SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM
  • 00:13:45.270 --> 00:13:48.020
  • THE OUTSIDE THAT TELLS US HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO
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  • BEHAVE. YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A MAN,
  • 00:13:50.040 --> 00:13:52.130
  • YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A FATHER,
  • 00:13:52.150 --> 00:13:54.000
  • YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A MOTHER.
  • 00:13:54.020 --> 00:13:56.160
  • AND THE WORD RESPONSIBILITY JUST OWNS
  • 00:13:56.180 --> 00:14:00.090
  • US AND WE ALWAYS END UP FEELING GUILTY BECAUSE
  • 00:14:00.110 --> 00:14:03.110
  • WHO KNOWS WHAT THE ACHIEVEMENT OF PERFECT
  • 00:14:03.130 --> 00:14:06.180
  • RESPONSIBILITY IS.
  • 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.220
  • SO WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE?
  • 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.240
  • WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURE SAY?
  • 00:14:10.260 --> 00:14:13.000
  • IT TALKS ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND AND
  • 00:14:13.020 --> 00:14:17.000
  • THAT IS MOMENT BY MOMENT.
  • 00:14:17.020 --> 00:14:19.270
  • THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM.
  • 00:14:19.290 --> 00:14:21.270
  • IT WAS THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION THAT TOOK THIS
  • 00:14:21.290 --> 00:14:24.020
  • VERB AND TURNED IT INTO A NOUN, AND WHEN THAT
  • 00:14:24.040 --> 00:14:27.170
  • HAPPENS USUALLY SOMETHING LIVING IS DYING.
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  • [JOYFUL MUSIC]
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  • [JOYFUL MUSIC]
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  • WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO RESPOND,
  • 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:52.000
  • BUT THAT REQUIRES RELATIONSHIP,
  • 00:14:52.020 --> 00:14:53.220
  • THAT REQUIRES OUR ABILITY TO HEAR AND YOU CAN HEAR.
  • 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:58.060
  • YOU HAVE AN ABILITY TO RESPOND.
  • 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:00.110
  • THAT'S WHY IN ONE SITUATION ONE RESPONSE IS
  • 00:15:00.130 --> 00:15:03.210
  • RIGHT, AND IN ANOTHER SITUATION,
  • 00:15:03.230 --> 00:15:05.110
  • A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RESPONSE IS RIGHT
  • 00:15:05.130 --> 00:15:08.070
  • BECAUSE YOU HEAR.
  • 00:15:08.090 --> 00:15:10.060
  • ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT I LIKE IS JESUS' BROTHERS
  • 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:13.250
  • CAME AND TALKED TO HIM ABOUT GOING TO THE
  • 00:15:13.270 --> 00:15:16.020
  • BIG PARTY FESTIVAL.
  • 00:15:16.040 --> 00:15:17.260
  • IT'S LIKE OH, COME ON, IT'S THE BIG FEAST OF
  • 00:15:17.280 --> 00:15:21.060
  • TABERNACLES AND THEY WERE IMPLORING HIM
  • 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:25.050
  • REPEATEDLY TO COME, AND HE SAID NO,
  • 00:15:25.070 --> 00:15:28.070
  • MY TIME HAS NOT YET COME.
  • 00:15:28.090 --> 00:15:31.050
  • WHY? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE HEARS THE FATHER SAY.
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  • YOUR TIME HASN'T COME.
  • 00:15:34.220 --> 00:15:36.040
  • AND THEY BEGGED HIM, AND HE KEPT REPEATEDLY SAYING
  • 00:15:36.060 --> 00:15:38.130
  • I'M NOT GOING.
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  • HE SAID YOU GO, HAVE A GREAT TIME,
  • 00:15:39.290 --> 00:15:41.210
  • THAT'S THE BIG PARTY, GO. AND THEY LEFT.
  • 00:15:41.230 --> 00:15:45.170
  • AND AS SOON AS THEY WERE GONE,
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  • JESUS WENT TO THE PARTY.
  • 00:15:46.260 --> 00:15:48.220
  • AND YOU'RE THINKING LIKE, DID HE JUST LIE
  • 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.030
  • TO THEM OR WHAT? NO.
  • 00:15:51.050 --> 00:15:54.030
  • ONE MOMENT THE FATHER IS SAYING YOUR TIME ISN'T
  • 00:15:54.050 --> 00:15:56.050
  • COME, AND WHEN THEY LEAVE THE FATHER SAYS YOUR TIME
  • 00:15:56.070 --> 00:15:58.280
  • HAS COME. THAT'S THE ABILITY TO RESPOND,
  • 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:02.180
  • AND IF YOU REMEMBER THAT STORY,
  • 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:03.270
  • HE GOES AND HE STANDS UP AND HE PREACHES THIS
  • 00:16:03.290 --> 00:16:07.120
  • MAGNIFICENT SERMON ON RIVERS OF LIVING WATER
  • 00:16:07.140 --> 00:16:13.060
  • THAT FROM WITHIN US COMES RIVERS OF LIVING WATER,
  • 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:16.100
  • AND THAT WE CAN PARTICIPATE WITH THIS
  • 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:18.030
  • ABILITY TO RESPOND.
  • 00:16:18.050 --> 00:16:19.280
  • THIS IS A HUGE, WONDERFUL PARTICIPATION THAT
  • 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:26.210
  • WE'VE BEEN INVITED INTO.
  • 00:16:26.230 --> 00:16:29.040
  • WE HAVE TO LEARN TO TRUST THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY
  • 00:16:29.060 --> 00:16:31.160
  • TO RESPOND, THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY.
  • 00:16:31.180 --> 00:16:35.080
  • PEOPLE ARE AFRAID THAT IF WE TAKE AWAY THE RULES,
  • 00:16:35.100 --> 00:16:38.050
  • WE'RE JUST GONNA GO OUT AND BE STUPID.
  • 00:16:38.070 --> 00:16:40.290
  • LIKE WHY?
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  • IF WE BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHO WE ARE AND THE
  • 00:16:42.270 --> 00:16:45.250
  • MAGNIFICENT CREATION WE ARE,
  • 00:16:45.270 --> 00:16:48.040
  • OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND BECOMES PART OF THIS
  • 00:16:48.060 --> 00:16:52.150
  • LIVING INSIDE THE GRACE OF A DAY,
  • 00:16:52.170 --> 00:16:55.040
  • PART OF THE WONDER OF OUR PARTICIPATION.
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  • WE'VE BEEN INVITED INTO FREEDOM AND A LOT OF
  • 00:16:58.190 --> 00:17:03.040
  • TIMES AS YOU GROW, WE BEGIN TO RELATE TO THE
  • 00:17:03.060 --> 00:17:08.290
  • PEOPLE THAT DON'T THINK THE SAME AS WE DO,
  • 00:17:09.010 --> 00:17:13.250
  • IN UNKIND WAYS.
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  • OUR FREEDOM THAT WE ENTER INTO AS WE LEARN HOW TO
  • 00:17:18.090 --> 00:17:22.170
  • RESPOND, AS WE LEARN HOW TO LIVE IN EXPECTANCY,
  • 00:17:22.190 --> 00:17:26.050
  • THAT FREEDOM IS A FREEDOM TO LOVE.
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  • IT IS NOT A FREEDOM TO BE UNKIND.
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  • WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO RIP SOMEONE ELSE
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  • THROUGH THE BARS OF THEIR OWN IMPRISONMENT,
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  • EVEN FOR THEIR OWN GOOD.
  • 00:17:35.280 --> 00:17:38.050
  • THEY HAVE AN ABILITY TO HEAR AND THE MOVEMENT OF
  • 00:17:38.070 --> 00:17:41.080
  • GOD IN OUR LIVES IS SUCH THAT WE CAN PARTICIPATE
  • 00:17:41.100 --> 00:17:44.210
  • BY LOVING WITHOUT AN AGENDA.
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  • WE DON'T LOVE TO CHANGE SOMEONE.
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  • WE LOVE BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW OR WE KNOW THAT
  • 00:17:51.030 --> 00:17:56.030
  • THEY ARE WORTHY OF BEING LOVED.
  • 00:17:56.050 --> 00:17:59.000
  • FREE TO LOVE OTHERS. WORDS HAVE POWER.
  • 00:17:59.020 --> 00:18:03.190
  • WORDS WE SPEAK HAVE POWER.
  • 00:18:03.210 --> 00:18:06.270
  • BUT WE CAN BEGIN TO USE WORDS IN CONSTRUCTIVE
  • 00:18:06.290 --> 00:18:11.260
  • WAYS TO BUILD UP, TO EDIFY, TO LOVE,
  • 00:18:11.280 --> 00:18:14.150
  • TO ENCOURAGE, TO CREATE, AND OUR FREEDOM IS
  • 00:18:14.170 --> 00:18:21.090
  • FREEDOM FOR THE OTHER AS WELL AS FOR OURSELVES.
  • 00:18:21.110 --> 00:18:26.230
  • WORDS ARE POWERFUL.
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  • THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS JESUS DWELLS WITHIN YOU.
  • 00:18:30.260 --> 00:18:35.030
  • YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESPOND AND TO
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  • PARTICIPATE IN BEING PART OF WHAT BRINGS HEALING TO
  • 00:18:38.020 --> 00:18:42.130
  • NOT ONLY YOUR OWN LIFE BUT TO OUR LIFE TOGETHER
  • 00:18:42.150 --> 00:18:47.010
  • AND TO THE LIFE THAT IS SPREADING THROUGHOUT
  • 00:18:47.030 --> 00:18:49.170
  • THIS PLANET AND THE COSMOS.
  • 00:18:49.190 --> 00:18:52.200
  • [JOYFUL MUSIC]
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  • [JOYFUL MUSIC]
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  • - I HAVE A FRIEND NAMED JIM HENDERSON, AND JIM HE'S SORT
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  • OF ONE OF THOSE PASTORS WHO DOESN'T LIKE CHURCH MUCH.
  • 00:19:15.260 --> 00:19:18.170
  • I MEAN, HE LOVES THE CHURCH, BUT NOT THE INSTITUTIONAL
  • 00:19:18.190 --> 00:19:21.240
  • AND THE WAY WE DO IT, AND HE WENT ON EBAY AND HE FOUND
  • 00:19:21.260 --> 00:19:26.000
  • THAT AN ATHEIST WAS SELLING HIS SOUL, AUCTIONING HIS
  • 00:19:26.020 --> 00:19:29.150
  • SOUL OFF ON EBAY, SO HE BID FOR IT.
  • 00:19:29.170 --> 00:19:34.080
  • AND JIM HENDERSON BOUGHT HEMANT METHA'S
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  • SOUL FOR $504.
  • 00:19:37.180 --> 00:19:40.020
  • IT WAS THE RECESSION.
  • 00:19:40.040 --> 00:19:41.160
  • AND JIM GETS TO KNOW METHA, HEMANT, AND THROUGH HEMANT,
  • 00:19:41.180 --> 00:19:45.260
  • JIM MEETS MATT CASPER WHO'S AN ATHEIST.
  • 00:19:45.280 --> 00:19:49.180
  • AND MATT AND JIM TAKE UP WHAT HEMANT'S ORIGINAL
  • 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:53.220
  • CHALLENGE WAS, THAT FOR EVERY $10 THAT SOMEBODY
  • 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:56.250
  • WOULD PAY FOR HIS SOUL, HE WOULD SPEND AN HOUR IN
  • 00:19:56.270 --> 00:19:59.200
  • WHATEVER CHURCH THEY WANTED.
  • 00:19:59.220 --> 00:20:01.280
  • SO JIM AND MATT TRAVELED AROUND THE UNITED STATES AND
  • 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:06.000
  • VISITED CHURCHES, FROM A PASTOR'S POINT OF VIEW, FROM
  • 00:20:06.020 --> 00:20:10.070
  • AN ATHEIST'S POINT OF VIEW, AND THEY WROTE A BOOK CALLED
  • 00:20:10.090 --> 00:20:13.050
  • JIM AND CASPER GO TO CHURCH.
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  • YOU CAN FIND IT.
  • 00:20:15.130 --> 00:20:17.130
  • INSIDE THAT STORY IS ALSO THE STORY
  • 00:20:17.150 --> 00:20:20.070
  • OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:20:20.090 --> 00:20:22.020
  • WELL, JIM GETS ME TO DO THIS WRITER'S CONFERENCE DOWN IN
  • 00:20:22.040 --> 00:20:25.180
  • SAN DIEGO, AND MATT CASPER COMES TO MEET ME
  • 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:28.150
  • BECAUSE I'M JIM'S FRIEND.
  • 00:20:28.170 --> 00:20:31.000
  • FIRST THING HE SAID, HE SAYS, PAUL, YOU KNOW THAT
  • 00:20:31.020 --> 00:20:33.020
  • I'M AN UNBELIEVER.
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  • I SAID, NO, YOU'RE NOT.
  • 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:37.080
  • HE SAID, OH, YEAH, I'M AN UNBELIEVER.
  • 00:20:37.100 --> 00:20:39.220
  • I SAID, NO, YOU'RE NOT.
  • 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:41.050
  • HE GOES, I AM SO!
  • 00:20:41.070 --> 00:20:43.030
  • LIKE I OFFENDED HIM, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:20:43.050 --> 00:20:45.030
  • AND I SAID, YOU'RE NOT.
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  • I SAID, BELIEF IS AN ACTIVITY, NOT A CATEGORY.
  • 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:52.110
  • I COME FROM THE TRIBE THAT KIND OF CREATED THE
  • 00:20:52.130 --> 00:20:55.160
  • BELIEVER/UNBELIEVER CATEGORIES, AND FRANKLY,
  • 00:20:55.180 --> 00:20:58.290
  • MOST OF US ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH OUR OWN QUESTIONS
  • 00:20:59.010 --> 00:21:02.140
  • ABOUT GOD AND FAITH OURSELVES.
  • 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:05.100
  • WE HAVE DOUBTS, AND WE HAVE QUESTIONS, AND NONE OF US
  • 00:21:05.120 --> 00:21:07.160
  • HAVE FOUND THE BELIEVE-O-METER.
  • 00:21:07.180 --> 00:21:09.170
  • YOU KNOW, THAT LITTLE THING THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO
  • 00:21:09.190 --> 00:21:11.270
  • ATTACH TO YOUR HEART OR TO YOUR HEAD OR SOMETHING THAT
  • 00:21:11.290 --> 00:21:13.230
  • TELLS YOU IF YOU BELIEVED ENOUGH SO THAT YOU'RE IN.
  • 00:21:13.250 --> 00:21:17.030
  • JIM LOOKS AT ME, HE SAYS, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
  • 00:21:17.050 --> 00:21:20.240
  • I SAID, LOOK, WHY DON'T YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU
  • 00:21:20.260 --> 00:21:24.010
  • BELIEVE IN.
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  • HE SAYS, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE IN?
  • 00:21:25.250 --> 00:21:27.130
  • I SAID, YEAH. WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN?
  • 00:21:27.150 --> 00:21:29.120
  • HE SAID, NOBODY EVER ASKS ME WHAT I BELIEVE IN.
  • 00:21:29.140 --> 00:21:31.210
  • THEY ALWAYS ASK ME WHAT I DON'T BELIEVE IN.
  • 00:21:31.230 --> 00:21:34.030
  • I SAID, BUT I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT
  • 00:21:34.050 --> 00:21:36.090
  • DO YOU BELIEVE IN?
  • 00:21:36.110 --> 00:21:38.290
  • HE THOUGHT FOR A MINUTE, AND THEN HE SAID,
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  • I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.
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  • I BELIEVE IN THE WAY THAT I LOVE MY CHILDREN.
  • 00:21:43.190 --> 00:21:47.250
  • I SAID, OH, REALLY?
  • 00:21:47.270 --> 00:21:50.140
  • SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT LIKE A ROMANTIC SORT OF LOVE.
  • 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:54.240
  • WHAT KIND OF LOVE IS THIS?
  • 00:21:54.260 --> 00:21:58.040
  • AND HE SAYS, PAUL, I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD THE CAPACITY TO
  • 00:21:58.060 --> 00:22:02.030
  • LOVE LIKE THIS UNTIL I HAD MY OWN CHILDREN.
  • 00:22:02.050 --> 00:22:05.040
  • THERE'S NO QUESTION, AS IRRATIONAL AS IT IS, I WOULD
  • 00:22:05.060 --> 00:22:09.010
  • STEP IN FRONT OF A BULLET FOR THEM, OR WHEN THEY'RE
  • 00:22:09.030 --> 00:22:11.120
  • SICK, I WOULD TAKE ON THEIR ILLNESS OR THEIR PAIN OR
  • 00:22:11.140 --> 00:22:13.180
  • THEIR SUFFERING. I LOVE THEM.
  • 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:17.130
  • I SAID, SO COULD YOU DEFINE THIS LOVE AS
  • 00:22:17.150 --> 00:22:21.070
  • OTHER-CENTERED SELF GIVING?
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  • HE SAID, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
  • 00:22:25.020 --> 00:22:28.050
  • SEE, WHAT JIM DOESN'T KNOW IS THAT OTHER-CENTERED SELF
  • 00:22:28.070 --> 00:22:31.140
  • GIVING LOVE, THE LOVE THAT HE LOVES HIS CHILDREN WITH,
  • 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:36.100
  • IS THE DEFINITION OF AGAPE.
  • 00:22:36.120 --> 00:22:38.270
  • WHEN IT SAYS, "GOD IS LOVE", THAT KIND OF LOVE IS
  • 00:22:38.290 --> 00:22:42.030
  • OTHER-CENTERED SELF GIVING.
  • 00:22:42.050 --> 00:22:45.130
  • I SAID, SO TELL ME ABOUT LIFE.
  • 00:22:45.150 --> 00:22:48.230
  • WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT LIFE?
  • 00:22:48.250 --> 00:22:50.190
  • AND JIM HAD ALREADY KIND OF PRIMED ME BECAUSE MATT IS A
  • 00:22:50.210 --> 00:22:53.120
  • BIG LOVER OF THE MYSTERY OF QUANTUM THEORY AND HOW THE
  • 00:22:53.140 --> 00:22:58.260
  • NATURAL ORDER EXISTS AND ALL OF THIS.
  • 00:22:58.280 --> 00:23:04.160
  • SO HE LAUNCHES FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES ABOUT THE BEAUTY
  • 00:23:04.180 --> 00:23:10.080
  • AND THE ELEGANCE OF THE NATURAL ORDER.
  • 00:23:10.100 --> 00:23:12.200
  • THEN I ADD ONE MORE QUESTION FOR HIM.
  • 00:23:12.220 --> 00:23:14.270
  • I SAID, MATT, TELL ME, CAN SOMEONE RELATE TO YOUR
  • 00:23:14.290 --> 00:23:18.070
  • CHILDREN IN A WAY THAT'S JUST WRONG?
  • 00:23:18.090 --> 00:23:21.170
  • IT IS WRONG.
  • 00:23:21.190 --> 00:23:24.140
  • AND HE SAID, ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:27.240
  • ABSOLUTELY IS A GOOD WORD FOR AN ATHEIST,
  • 00:23:27.260 --> 00:23:30.070
  • FOR ANYBODY, ACTUALLY.
  • 00:23:30.090 --> 00:23:32.000
  • AND SO I SAID MATT, FIRST THING YOU TOLD ME IS YOU'RE AN
  • 00:23:32.020 --> 00:23:36.290
  • UNBELIEVER, BUT SO FAR YOU'VE TOLD ME THAT YOU
  • 00:23:37.010 --> 00:23:39.150
  • BELIEVE IN LOVE, AND NOT JUST ANY KIND OF LOVE.
  • 00:23:39.170 --> 00:23:43.030
  • YOU BELIEVE IN OTHER-CENTERED SELF GIVING
  • 00:23:43.050 --> 00:23:45.070
  • LOVE, AND YOU BELIEVE IN LIFE, AND YOU
  • 00:23:45.090 --> 00:23:48.180
  • BELIEVE IN TRUTH.
  • 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:51.180
  • AND YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE ME THAT
  • 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.140
  • YOU'RE AN UNBELIEVER.
  • 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.160
  • HE SMILES AND SAYS, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
  • 00:23:56.180 --> 00:23:59.270
  • BUT SEE, I WASN'T TRYING TO GET MATT FROM
  • 00:23:59.290 --> 00:24:02.160
  • POSITION A. TO PASSION B.
  • 00:24:02.180 --> 00:24:05.110
  • I'M INTERESTED IN MATT AND WHO HE IS.
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  • I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ACTIVE IN HIS
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  • LIFE AND WORKING INSIDE OF HIS WORLD, AND I WANT TO
  • 00:24:10.280 --> 00:24:14.230
  • KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
  • 00:24:14.250 --> 00:24:16.170
  • SO I ASKED HIM, MATT, WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN?
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  • AND HE TOLD ME.
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  • WE HAD ABOUT A TWO HOUR CONVERSATION.
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  • IT WAS WONDERFUL, AND AT THE END, HE PUT HIS ARM
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  • AROUND ME, GIVES ME A HUG, AND HE SAYS SOMETHING TO ME
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  • THAT LATER JIM SAYS, WHO WAS STANDING THERE, HE SAYS,
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  • THAT WAS THE GREATEST COMPLIMENT I'VE EVER HEARD
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  • MATT CASPER GIVE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.
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  • BECAUSE WHAT MATT SAID TO ME AS HE LEANED OVER AND GAVE
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  • ME A HUG IS I'M THRILLED TO KNOW THAT YOU EXIST.
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  • SEE, MATT BELIEVES IN ME NOW, TOO.
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  • HE BELIEVES IN LOVE.
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  • HE BELIEVES IN TRUTH.
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  • HE BELIEVES IN LIFE, AND HE BELIEVES IN THE WAY
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  • THAT I RELATED TO HIM.
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  • SEE, THIS IS ABOUT THE MYSTERY OF RELATIONSHIP.
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  • WE LOVE RELIGION IN THE SENSE THAT IT GIVES US A
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  • SENSE OF CONTROL.
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  • IT GIVES US CERTAINTY, RIGHT?
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  • JUST TELL ME THE THINGS TO DO AND THE THINGS THAT I'M
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  • NOT SUPPOSED TO DO, AND I'LL DO THAT, AND EVERYTHING'S
  • 00:25:07.070 --> 00:25:09.110
  • SUPPOSED TO BE OKAY.
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  • THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
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  • THIS IS BIGGER THAN THAT.
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  • THIS IS MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN THAT.
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  • THIS IS GRANDER AND MORE ELEGANT THAN THAT.
  • 00:25:16.190 --> 00:25:21.000
  • WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WORDS AND THE POWER OF WORDS
  • 00:25:21.020 --> 00:25:25.230
  • TO TEAR DOWN, TO DESTROY, TO DISMANTLE, BUT TO BUILD UP,
  • 00:25:25.250 --> 00:25:28.250
  • BUT TO CREATE, TO PARTICIPATE, AND THAT'S THE
  • 00:25:28.270 --> 00:25:33.240
  • EXCITEMENT MAYBE.
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  • WE GET TO BE INVOLVED IN THE GREAT DANCE OF
  • 00:25:36.140 --> 00:25:39.080
  • PARTICIPATION, A DANCE THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOING ON
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  • BETWEEN THE FATHER, SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:25:42.110 --> 00:25:44.190
  • SO THE QUESTION IS DOES THAT EXCITE YOU?
  • 00:25:44.210 --> 00:25:49.270
  • DOES IT SCARE YOU?
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  • ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK OF TRUSTING THAT YOU
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  • HAVE AN ABILITY TO RESPONDS AND PARTICIPATE, AND THAT
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  • YOUR PARTICIPATION ACTUALLY MATTERS?
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  • THIS IS A LIFE OF EXPECTANCY THAT WE'RE INVITED INTO.
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  • ARE YOU READY?
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  • WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.
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