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UCLA Q&A Part 2

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July 22, 2019
28:25

Ravi Zacharias

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  • - I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR
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  • FROM BOTH OF YOU,
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  • WHAT ROLE YOU THINK FAITH HAS,
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  • WHAT ROLE THE CHURCH HAS
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  • IN MAINTAINING MORALITY
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  • AND IF THERE IS
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  • THE POSSIBILITY FOR,
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  • THAT'S STILL MORAL REASONING
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  • IN THE ABSENCE OF FAITH?
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  • - MOST IMPORTANT WORD
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  • I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BEAR
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  • IN MIND IS THAT THE WORD SACRED
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  • OUGHT TO DEFINE
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  • WHAT MORALITY MEANS.
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  • BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST REALLY,
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  • DID NOT COME INTO THIS WORLD
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  • TO MAKE BAD PEOPLE GOOD.
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  • HE CAME INTO THIS WORLD
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  • TO MAKE DEAD PEOPLE LIVE.
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  • MORAL RECTITUDE
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  • AND MORAL UPRIGHTNESS
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  • CAN BE HELD
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  • BY MANY BUT IF A PERSON
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  • IN THEMSELVES SAY
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  • THEY ARE MORALLY SO GOOD
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  • THAT I REALLY DON'T NEED GOD,
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  • IT'S THE MOST SEDUCTIVE
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  • FORM OF MORALITY,
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  • WHICH ULTIMATELY LEADS YOU
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  • INTO SOME KIND OF ARROGANCE
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  • OR SELF AGGRANDIZEMENT.
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  • I REMEMBER, YESTERDAY,
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  • PROFESSOR LOWENSTEIN AND I,
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  • WHEN WE WERE IN CONVERSATION,
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  • HE MADE THE COMMENT
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  • THAT HUMILITY
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  • IS THE CHARACTERISTIC
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  • HE SEES SO LACKING
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  • IN OUR SOCIETY RIGHT NOW.
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  • AND WHEN YOU'RE HUMBLE
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  • BEFORE GOD, YOU RECOGNIZE
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  • THE NEED TO BE TRANSFORMED.
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  • YOU RECOGNIZE THE NEED
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  • THAT YOU CANNOT PULL YOURSELF UP
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  • BY YOUR OWN MORAL BOOT STRAPS.
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  • EVERY MAJOR RELIGION
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  • OF THE WORLD,
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  • I WANT YOU
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  • TO HEAR ME CLEARLY NOW,
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  • EVERY MAJOR RELIGION
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  • OF THE WORLD
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  • IS A WORKS RELIGION.
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  • HINDUISM, BUDDHISM, ISLAM,
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  • SIKHISM, BAHAISM, GENESISM,
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  • ALL OF THEM.
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  • YOU CAN TAKE
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  • EVERY ONE OF THEM,
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  • IT HAS TO DO WITH WORKS.
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  • IN ISLAM, YOU'RE ENTRANCE
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  • TO PARADISE IS DICTATED
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  • BY YOUR GOOD DEEDS
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  • OUTWEIGHING YOUR BAD DEEDS.
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  • IN HINDUISM,
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  • EVERY BIRTH IS A REBIRTH
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  • AND IT'S ON THE BASE KARMA,
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  • ALL THAT WENT ON BEFORE.
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  • AND YOUR KARMIC CYCLE
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  • KEEPS GOING 'TIL
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  • YOU CAN BREAK OFF THIS CYCLE
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  • AND OBTAIN NIRVANA OR MOKSHA
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  • OR WHATEVER
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  • THEY WANT TO CALL IT.
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  • IN THE CHRISTIAN FAITH,
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  • YOU FIRST OF ALL COME,
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  • NOT BY WAY OF VIRTUE
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  • OF MORAL CAPACITY,
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  • YOU COME BY THE GIFT
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  • AND GRACE OF GOD
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  • WHO OFFERS YOU FORGIVENESS
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  • AND YOU COME JUST AS YOU ARE,
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  • IN ALL OF YOUR FAILINGS.
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  • WHEN THE PRODIGAL SON
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  • COMES HOME,
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  • IN THAT TREMENDOUS PARABLE,
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  • IT IS SO COUNTER INTUITIVE
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  • WITHIN EASTERN CULTURE,
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  • THIS BOY TOOK
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  • THE FATHER'S MONEY,
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  • SPENT IT AT A WHIM,
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  • PLUNDERED HIS LIFE,
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  • DID EVERYTHING WRONG
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  • AND HE'S GONE.
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  • AND NOW HE TOOK THE TIME,
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  • DECIDES HE'S GONNA COME HOME.
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  • IN EASTERN CULTURE,
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  • THE FATHER WOULD NEVER GO OUT,
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  • HE'S BEEN WRONGED,
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  • HE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT
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  • 'TIL THE SON CAME
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  • AND LITERALLY THREW HIMSELF
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  • AT HIS FEET,
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  • AND BEGGED FOR MERCY,
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  • BUT IN THE WAY JESUS
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  • TELLS THE STORY,
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  • THE EASTERN FATHER
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  • WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY
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  • SORT OF PERKED UP HIS EARS,
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  • THE FATHER LEAVES THE PORCH,
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  • LEAVES THE HOME,
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  • RUNS TOWARDS THE SON
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  • AND EMBRACES HIM,
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  • AND RECEIVES HIM.
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  • "THIS MY SON WHO WAS LOST,
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  • WHAT FOUND DEAD AND IS ALIVE."
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  • SO MORALITY IS GOOD LIVING
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  • IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR INVERSION
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  • AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO CHRIST.
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  • IT IS NOT THE MEANS
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  • OF YOUR OBTAINING SALVATION
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  • AND OBTAINING RIGHTNESS
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  • IN THE SIGHT OF GOD.
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  • SO WHAT ARE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
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  • ALL ABOUT?
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  • THEY WERE ALL ABOUT
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  • THE FACT THAT LIFE IS SACRED,
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  • YOUR WORD IS SACRED,
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  • YOUR MARRIAGE IS SACRED,
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  • YOUR TIME IS SACRED,
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  • YOUR GIVING IS SACRED
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  • AND IN THE SANCTITY OF LIFE,
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  • THESE EXPRESSIONS COME.
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  • BUT THEN THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
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  • CAME AFTER THE EXODUS,
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  • REDEMPTION PRECEDES
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  • RIGHTEOUSNESS.
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  • IT IS NEVER
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  • THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
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  • SO GOD TAKES A LIFE,
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  • PUTS THAT LIFE BACK TOGETHER
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  • AND GIVES YOU THE FRUIT
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  • OF WHAT MICHAEL
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  • WAS TALKING ABOUT.
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  • WHAT DOES THE CHURCH
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  • HAVE TO DO HERE?
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  • I THINK THE CHURCH
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  • HAS TO TEACH US
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  • THAT THAT INNER TRANSFORMATION
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  • IS DESPERATELY NEEDED.
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  • LET ME SAY THIS VERY CAREFULLY,
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  • LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY NOW.
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  • MALCOM MUGGERIDGE SAID,
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  • "THE DEPRAVITY OF MAN IS AT ONCE
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  • OF THE MOST EMPIRICALLY
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  • VERIFIABLE FACT
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  • AT THE SAME TIME
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  • THAT IT IS THE MOST
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  • INTELLECTUALLY RESISTANT."
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  • THE DEPRAVITY OF MAN IS AT ONCE
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  • OF THE MOST EMPIRICALLY
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  • VERIFIABLE FACT
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  • AT THE SAME TIME
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  • IT'S THE MOST
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  • INTELLECTUALLY RESISTED.
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  • "IF A MAN IS STEALING NUTS
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  • AND BOLTS FROM
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  • A RAILWAY TRACKS,"
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  • SAYS D.L. MOODY SAID,
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  • "AND YOU SEND HIM TO UNIVERSITY,
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  • AT THE END OF HIS EDUCATION
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  • HE'LL STEAL
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  • THE WHOLE RAILWAY TRACK."
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  • SOME OF THE BIGGEST CRIMES
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  • THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITMENT
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  • AGAINST HUMANITY,
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  • SOMETIMES HAVE BEEN COMMITTED
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  • BY HIGH OFFICERS
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  • AND HIGH SUCCESS STORIES.
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  • DEPRAVITY IS HERE.
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  • TRANSFORMATION, REDEMPTION,
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  • RIGHTEOUSNESS AND WORSHIP.
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  • THAT'S THE SEQUENCE.
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  • MORALITY ALONE
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  • WILL NEVER GET ANYONE
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  • OF US ANYWHERE.
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  • IT MAY MAKE
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  • FOR SOME KIND OF EXISTENCE
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  • BUT IT DOESN'T DEAL
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  • WITH THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM,
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  • WHICH IS THE REBELLIOUS HEART
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  • THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED
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  • AND HEART THAT NEEDS
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  • TO HUMBLE ITSELF BEFORE GOD.
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  • THAT'S MY WORD TO YOU.
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  • - WHAT DO YOU SAY
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  • TO THOSE WHO CANNOT BELIEVE
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  • IN GOD BECAUSE SUFFERING EXIST,
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  • AND CANNOT BELIEVE THAT A GOOD
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  • GOD WOULD ALLOW SUFFERING?
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  • - YOU WANNA GO FIRST,
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  • MICHAEL?
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  • - I'LL SAY
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  • IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
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  • WELL MAYBE JUST A COUPLE
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  • OF THINGS.
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  • 'CAUSE THAT'S THE KIND
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  • OF QUESTION THAT ACTUALLY
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  • DEMANDS A VERY LONG ANSWER.
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  • IT MIGHT BE THE CASE
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  • FOR SOME PEOPLE
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  • THAT WHEN SUFFERING COMES,
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  • IT'S NOT SIMPLY THE CASE
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  • THAT IT MAY DRIVE THEM AWAY
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  • FROM GOD PER-SAY,
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  • IT MAY SIMPLY BE A CATALYST
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  • THAT REVEALS TO THEM
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  • WHAT THEY ACTUALLY THOUGHT
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  • ABOUT GOD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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  • SO IF YOU FIND YOURSELF
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  • CAUGHT UP IN SUFFERING,
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  • YOU MAY FOR SOME PEOPLE,
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  • THEY'LL FIND THEMSELVES
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  • DRIVING INTO THE ARMS OF GOD,
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  • 'CAUSE THEY BELIEVE
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  • HE'S THERE AND HE CARES
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  • AND TO OTHERS TO WALK AWAY
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  • FROM THE IDEA OF GOD
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  • BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE
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  • EITHER HE ISN'T THERE
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  • OR HE DOESN'T CARE.
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  • AND SO SOMETIMES SUFFERING,
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  • IT SIMPLY ACTS AS THAT CATALYST.
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  • LET ME SUGGEST
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  • THREE POSSIBLE THINGS
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  • TO TURN TO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
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  • ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES,
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  • VINCE VITALE, WHO IS AT OXFORD,
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  • A PHILOSOPHER, HE TEACHES
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  • WITH US, HE'S DONE HIS WHOLE
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  • DOCTORATE ON SUFFERING.
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  • AND HE GAVE
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  • A VERY BRILLIANT TALK
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  • ON THE NATURE OF SUFFERING
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  • AT OXFORD UNIVERSITY.
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  • IT WAS QUITE A HOSTILE SETTING,
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  • THEY HAD A Q AND A,
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  • SO THEY WERE ONLINE AND I'M SURE
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  • IF YOU GET IN CONTACT
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  • WITH OUR ADMINISTRATORS
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  • ARE RZIM.ORG,
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  • WE COULD GIVE YOU THE LINK.
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  • SO I THINK
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  • I WILL TRY TO SAY TWO THINGS,
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  • I'D LIKE TO TRY TO SAY
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  • THE THERE'S SOME HOPE,
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  • NOT JUST SIMPLY EXISTENTIALLY
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  • IN TERMS OF FINDING
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  • COMFORT WITH GOD,
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  • BUT MAYBE EVEN COMING TO KNOW
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  • THAT THERE IS GOD THROUGH IT.
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  • AND YOU KNOW,
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  • IF YOU'RE INTERESTED
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  • THE QUESTION ITSELF
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  • WOULD DESERVE A MUCH LONGER
  • 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:25.130
  • ANSWER THAN SIMPLY
  • 00:07:25.130 --> 00:07:26.220
  • CAN BE STATED HERE
  • 00:07:26.220 --> 00:07:28.020
  • AND IF THAT IS YOUR QUESTION
  • 00:07:28.020 --> 00:07:30.060
  • AND YOU HAPPEN TO BE HERE,
  • 00:07:30.060 --> 00:07:31.010
  • I'M SURE WE'D BE HAPPY
  • 00:07:31.010 --> 00:07:32.010
  • TO PUT YOU IN CONTACT
  • 00:07:32.010 --> 00:07:33.030
  • WITH THE RESOURCES.
  • 00:07:33.030 --> 00:07:34.220
  • I THINK WE CAN MAKE YOU
  • 00:07:34.220 --> 00:07:35.260
  • A PROMISE AND SAY
  • 00:07:35.260 --> 00:07:36.170
  • THAT IF YOU'RE
  • 00:07:36.170 --> 00:07:37.020
  • NOT A CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:07:37.020 --> 00:07:38.130
  • AND YOU ARE WRESTLING
  • 00:07:38.130 --> 00:07:39.170
  • WITH THIS ISSUE
  • 00:07:39.170 --> 00:07:40.280
  • THAN WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU
  • 00:07:40.280 --> 00:07:41.290
  • THOSE RESOURCES FOR FREE.
  • 00:07:41.290 --> 00:07:44.010
  • IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:07:44.010 --> 00:07:46.100
  • AND YOU WANT THOSE RESOURCES,
  • 00:07:46.100 --> 00:07:48.090
  • YOU MAY BE TEMPTED
  • 00:07:48.090 --> 00:07:48.280
  • TO HAVE A SMALL CRISIS
  • 00:07:48.280 --> 00:07:49.260
  • OF FAITH RIGHT NOW...
  • 00:07:49.260 --> 00:07:51.070
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:07:53.110 --> 00:07:56.110
  • AND CLAIM THOSE RESOURCES
  • 00:07:56.110 --> 00:07:57.210
  • FOR FREE;
  • 00:07:57.210 --> 00:07:58.070
  • AND TO YOU, WE'D JUST LIKE
  • 00:07:58.070 --> 00:07:59.000
  • TO REMIND YOU THAT THERE
  • 00:07:59.000 --> 00:07:59.270
  • WILL BE A DAY OF JUDGEMENT
  • 00:07:59.270 --> 00:08:00.220
  • AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
  • 00:08:00.220 --> 00:08:01.240
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:04.200
  • - MICHAEL, I'LL TAKE TWO
  • 00:08:09.220 --> 00:08:10.230
  • QUICK STABS AT THAT.
  • 00:08:11.090 --> 00:08:14.090
  • MICHAEL THERE'S AN ANSWER
  • 00:08:14.090 --> 00:08:15.000
  • TO PRAYER FOR LONG SUFFERING,
  • 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.140
  • FOR MANY MANY YEARS, YEAH.
  • 00:08:16.140 --> 00:08:18.020
  • WE TRAVEL TOGETHER
  • 00:08:18.020 --> 00:08:18.280
  • AND HE KEEPS US ALL ENTERTAINED.
  • 00:08:18.280 --> 00:08:21.230
  • HIS WIFE HAS ONLY TWO WORDS
  • 00:08:21.230 --> 00:08:22.260
  • ALL THE TIME WHEN WE TRAVEL,
  • 00:08:22.260 --> 00:08:24.050
  • IT'S, "OH MICHAEL,
  • 00:08:24.050 --> 00:08:25.230
  • OH MICHAEL."
  • 00:08:25.230 --> 00:08:26.290
  • AND IT COMES
  • 00:08:26.290 --> 00:08:27.140
  • ONE AFTER ANOTHER.
  • 00:08:27.140 --> 00:08:29.070
  • THERE'S TWO SIDES
  • 00:08:29.070 --> 00:08:29.240
  • TO THAT QUESTION,
  • 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:31.060
  • LET ME JUST DEFANG
  • 00:08:31.060 --> 00:08:32.050
  • IT PHILOSOPHICALLY
  • 00:08:32.050 --> 00:08:33.190
  • AND THEN MOVE QUICKLY
  • 00:08:33.190 --> 00:08:34.100
  • TO THE APPLICATION.
  • 00:08:34.100 --> 00:08:35.200
  • VINCE AND I ARE IN THE PROCESS
  • 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.010
  • OF WRITING A BOOK
  • 00:08:37.010 --> 00:08:38.040
  • TOGETHER ON THIS,
  • 00:08:38.040 --> 00:08:39.000
  • HE JUST SENT ME AN OUTLINE
  • 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:40.050
  • SO THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:08:40.050 --> 00:08:40.280
  • I WAS DOING ACTUALLY LAST WEEK,
  • 00:08:40.280 --> 00:08:42.130
  • BANGKOK, DOING MY THREE CHAPTERS
  • 00:08:42.130 --> 00:08:44.060
  • SHARE OF THAT.
  • 00:08:44.060 --> 00:08:45.060
  • PHILOSOPHICALLY,
  • 00:08:45.060 --> 00:08:46.190
  • IT'S OFTEN OF COURSE,
  • 00:08:46.190 --> 00:08:47.200
  • PUT IN TANDEM WITH EVIL.
  • 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.190
  • SUFFERING, EVIL,
  • 00:08:49.190 --> 00:08:50.120
  • SUFFERING, EVIL.
  • 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:51.110
  • WHY DOES GOD EVEN ALLOW EVIL?
  • 00:08:51.110 --> 00:08:52.290
  • AND I'VE OFTEN RESPONDED
  • 00:08:52.290 --> 00:08:54.120
  • THAT'S IT'S CRITICAL
  • 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:55.140
  • TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE
  • 00:08:55.140 --> 00:08:56.120
  • OF THE QUESTION.
  • 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.000
  • BECAUSE WHEN WE SAY
  • 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:58.170
  • THERE'S EVIL,
  • 00:08:58.170 --> 00:08:59.010
  • WE ASSUME THERE'S GOOD.
  • 00:08:59.010 --> 00:09:00.180
  • WHEN WE SAY THERE'S GOOD,
  • 00:09:00.180 --> 00:09:01.230
  • WE ASSUME THERE'S A MORAL LAW
  • 00:09:01.230 --> 00:09:03.040
  • ON THE BASE
  • 00:09:03.040 --> 00:09:03.200
  • OF WHICH TO DIFFERENTIATE
  • 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:04.120
  • ON GOOD AND EVIL.
  • 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:05.230
  • WHEN WE ASSUME A MORAL LAW,
  • 00:09:05.230 --> 00:09:06.240
  • WE ASSUME A MORAL LAW GIVER.
  • 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.200
  • 'CAUSE WITHOUT
  • 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:09.050
  • THE MORAL LAW GIVER,
  • 00:09:09.050 --> 00:09:10.020
  • THERE'S NO MORAL LAW,
  • 00:09:10.020 --> 00:09:11.000
  • WITHOUT THE MORAL LAW,
  • 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:11.230
  • THERE'S NO GOOD,
  • 00:09:11.230 --> 00:09:12.180
  • WITHOUT GOOD THERE'S NO EVIL.
  • 00:09:12.180 --> 00:09:14.020
  • THE QUESTION ACTUALLY ENDS UP
  • 00:09:14.020 --> 00:09:16.010
  • HOISTING ITSELF
  • 00:09:16.010 --> 00:09:17.030
  • ON IT'S OWN PETARD AS IT WERE.
  • 00:09:17.030 --> 00:09:18.270
  • IT DOESN'T KNOW
  • 00:09:18.270 --> 00:09:19.190
  • HOW TO DEFEND ITSELF.
  • 00:09:19.190 --> 00:09:21.000
  • BUT HERE'S THE KILLER BITE
  • 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:22.180
  • OF THAT ARGUMENT.
  • 00:09:22.180 --> 00:09:23.250
  • SOMEBODY MAY SAY,
  • 00:09:23.250 --> 00:09:24.150
  • WHY DO YOU NEED
  • 00:09:24.150 --> 00:09:25.010
  • A MORAL LAW GIVER?
  • 00:09:25.010 --> 00:09:27.040
  • TO HAVE A MORAL LAW.
  • 00:09:27.040 --> 00:09:28.230
  • AND THE ANSWER
  • 00:09:28.230 --> 00:09:29.100
  • IS VERY CLEAR IN THIS,
  • 00:09:29.100 --> 00:09:31.100
  • EVERY QUESTION RAISED
  • 00:09:31.100 --> 00:09:32.240
  • ABOUT EVIL AND SUFFERING
  • 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:34.010
  • IS EITHER RAISED
  • 00:09:34.010 --> 00:09:35.030
  • BY A PERSON OR ABOUT A PERSON.
  • 00:09:35.150 --> 00:09:38.150
  • WHICH MEANS PERSONAL WORTH
  • 00:09:38.150 --> 00:09:40.130
  • IS ESSENTIAL TO THE QUESTION.
  • 00:09:40.130 --> 00:09:43.050
  • INTRINSIC WORTH IS ESSENTIAL
  • 00:09:43.050 --> 00:09:44.210
  • TO THE QUESTION.
  • 00:09:44.210 --> 00:09:45.220
  • AND IN A NATURALISTIC WORK
  • 00:09:45.220 --> 00:09:47.010
  • YOU CANNOT HAVE INTRINSIC WORTH,
  • 00:09:47.010 --> 00:09:49.260
  • YOU'VE GOT EXTRINSIC WORTH,
  • 00:09:49.260 --> 00:09:51.000
  • IT'S CONVEYED TO YOU,
  • 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:52.070
  • YOU'RE JUST A RADAR BLIP
  • 00:09:52.070 --> 00:09:54.210
  • ON THE RADAR SCREEN OF TIME,
  • 00:09:54.210 --> 00:09:56.060
  • YOU JUST HAPPEN TO BE HERE,
  • 00:09:56.060 --> 00:09:57.080
  • BUT IF YOU'RE A PERSON,
  • 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:58.180
  • CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD
  • 00:09:58.180 --> 00:09:59.270
  • WITH INTRINSIC WORTH,
  • 00:09:59.270 --> 00:10:00.290
  • THAN THE QUESTION INDEED
  • 00:10:00.290 --> 00:10:02.030
  • IS REFLECTIVE OF THE VALUE
  • 00:10:02.030 --> 00:10:04.220
  • THAT YOU GIVE TO PERSONHOOD.
  • 00:10:04.220 --> 00:10:05.120
  • SO THE TWO THINGS,
  • 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:06.080
  • THE REALITY OF GOOD
  • 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:07.230
  • AND THE INTRINSIC WORTH
  • 00:10:07.230 --> 00:10:09.030
  • OF A PERSON ARE ESSENTIAL
  • 00:10:09.030 --> 00:10:09.260
  • TO THE QUESTION,
  • 00:10:09.260 --> 00:10:10.270
  • IF THE QUESTION
  • 00:10:10.270 --> 00:10:11.220
  • IS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY,
  • 00:10:11.220 --> 00:10:13.240
  • THOSE TWO ASSUMPTIONS
  • 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:14.280
  • NEED TO BE MADE
  • 00:10:14.280 --> 00:10:16.050
  • WHICH THE QUESTION MAKES.
  • 00:10:16.050 --> 00:10:17.200
  • BUT THE TWO POINTS
  • 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:19.210
  • OF APPLICATION
  • 00:10:19.210 --> 00:10:20.100
  • I WANT TO MAKE IS THIS,
  • 00:10:20.100 --> 00:10:22.200
  • YOU KNOW I'VE LIVED
  • 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:23.080
  • WITH SERIOUS BACK PROBLEMS,
  • 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:25.030
  • THAT'S WHERE IT EASIER
  • 00:10:25.030 --> 00:10:26.000
  • FOR ME TO STAND,
  • 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:26.190
  • ALSO NOT JUST KEEP SEATED,
  • 00:10:26.190 --> 00:10:29.050
  • WITH TWO METALS RODS
  • 00:10:29.050 --> 00:10:29.280
  • IN MY BACK AND EIGHT SCREWS,
  • 00:10:29.280 --> 00:10:31.260
  • BOLTING ME DOWN FROM L3 TO S1,
  • 00:10:31.260 --> 00:10:34.120
  • FROM A BACK INJURY
  • 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:35.050
  • THAT I SUFFERED.
  • 00:10:35.050 --> 00:10:36.220
  • I'VE HAD PERFECT HEALTH
  • 00:10:36.220 --> 00:10:37.260
  • IN EVERY OTHER WAY.
  • 00:10:37.260 --> 00:10:38.270
  • 40 YEARS OF TRAVEL,
  • 00:10:38.270 --> 00:10:40.010
  • I'VE NEVER HAD AN UPSET STOMACH
  • 00:10:40.010 --> 00:10:41.020
  • IN 40 YEARS,
  • 00:10:41.020 --> 00:10:42.020
  • IN 70 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.
  • 00:10:42.020 --> 00:10:43.090
  • NO ISSUES OF ANY KIND,
  • 00:10:43.090 --> 00:10:45.180
  • THOSE THINGS DON'T BOTHER ME.
  • 00:10:45.180 --> 00:10:47.050
  • YEAH, I WAS RAISED
  • 00:10:47.050 --> 00:10:47.250
  • ON THE STREETS OF DELHI,
  • 00:10:47.250 --> 00:10:48.280
  • MY MOTHER SAID,
  • 00:10:48.280 --> 00:10:49.260
  • "HE ATE EVERYTHING
  • 00:10:49.260 --> 00:10:51.030
  • AND NOTHING EVER BOTHERED HIM."
  • 00:10:51.030 --> 00:10:53.160
  • THERE WAS A KIND OF PLACE
  • 00:10:53.160 --> 00:10:54.260
  • THAT IF YOU WENT TO EAT
  • 00:10:54.260 --> 00:10:56.160
  • AND YOU SPIT
  • 00:10:56.160 --> 00:10:57.040
  • IN THE SINK AFTERWARDS
  • 00:10:57.040 --> 00:10:58.160
  • SOMEBODY WOULD TELL YOU,
  • 00:10:58.160 --> 00:10:59.250
  • "IF YOU WENT
  • 00:10:59.250 --> 00:11:00.100
  • TO A DISTINGUISHED RESTAURANT
  • 00:11:00.100 --> 00:11:01.100
  • AND DID THAT,
  • 00:11:01.100 --> 00:11:01.220
  • WHAT WOULD THEY TELL YOU?"
  • 00:11:01.220 --> 00:11:02.280
  • YOU WOULD TELL THEM,
  • 00:11:02.280 --> 00:11:03.260
  • "I DID GO THERE,
  • 00:11:03.260 --> 00:11:04.160
  • THEY TOLD ME IF I WANTED
  • 00:11:04.160 --> 00:11:05.080
  • TO DO THAT, TO COME HERE."
  • 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.010
  • SO THIS IS A KIND OF FOOD
  • 00:11:07.010 --> 00:11:08.140
  • WE ENDED UP EATING,
  • 00:11:08.140 --> 00:11:09.080
  • IN THOSE KINDS OF SETTINGS.
  • 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:10.220
  • NOW, WHAT I WANNA SAY IS THIS.
  • 00:11:10.230 --> 00:11:13.230
  • THROUGH PAIN,
  • 00:11:13.230 --> 00:11:15.250
  • THROUGH ENDURING PAIN
  • 00:11:15.250 --> 00:11:17.080
  • FOR 27 YEARS,
  • 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:18.290
  • CONSTANT PAIN FOR 27 YEARS,
  • 00:11:19.180 --> 00:11:22.180
  • WITH THREE HERNIATED DISCS,
  • 00:11:22.180 --> 00:11:24.170
  • AND STENOSIS,
  • 00:11:24.170 --> 00:11:25.140
  • PAIN GOING DOWN YOUR LEG,
  • 00:11:25.140 --> 00:11:27.120
  • YOU CAN EASILY SAY,
  • 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:28.040
  • "LORD, YOU'VE CALLED ME
  • 00:11:28.040 --> 00:11:29.090
  • TO TRAVEL, YOU'VE CALLED ME
  • 00:11:29.090 --> 00:11:31.020
  • TO DO THIS,
  • 00:11:31.020 --> 00:11:32.050
  • WHY DID YOU GIVE ME
  • 00:11:32.050 --> 00:11:32.240
  • A BODY SUCH AS THIS?"
  • 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:34.200
  • I HAVE LEARNED
  • 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:36.010
  • WHAT ANNIE JOHNSON FLINT SAID,
  • 00:11:36.010 --> 00:11:38.210
  • WHO LIVED WITH CANCER,
  • 00:11:38.210 --> 00:11:40.030
  • BLINDNESS, ARTHRITIS,
  • 00:11:40.030 --> 00:11:42.090
  • THE RHEUMATOID KIND
  • 00:11:42.090 --> 00:11:43.090
  • AND SHE WAS ORPHANED,
  • 00:11:43.090 --> 00:11:44.180
  • "HE GIVETH MORE GRACE
  • 00:11:44.180 --> 00:11:46.040
  • WHEN THE BURDENS GROW GREATER.
  • 00:11:46.040 --> 00:11:47.210
  • HE SENDETH MORE STRENGTH
  • 00:11:47.210 --> 00:11:48.230
  • WHEN THE LABORS INCREASE.
  • 00:11:48.230 --> 00:11:50.070
  • TO ADDED AFFLICTION,
  • 00:11:50.070 --> 00:11:51.080
  • HE ADDETH HIS MERCY,
  • 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:52.210
  • TO MULTIPLY TRIALS
  • 00:11:52.210 --> 00:11:53.250
  • IS TO MULTIPLY PEACE.
  • 00:11:53.250 --> 00:11:55.070
  • WHEN WE HAVE EXHAUSTED
  • 00:11:55.070 --> 00:11:56.080
  • OUR STORY OF ENDURANCE,
  • 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:57.100
  • WHEN OUR STRENGTH HAS FAILED
  • 00:11:57.100 --> 00:11:58.180
  • AND THE DAY IS HALF DONE,
  • 00:11:58.180 --> 00:11:59.230
  • WHEN WE REACH THE END
  • 00:11:59.230 --> 00:12:00.270
  • OF OUR HOLD OF RESOURCES,
  • 00:12:00.270 --> 00:12:02.100
  • OUR FATHER'S FORGIVING
  • 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:03.130
  • HAS ONLY BEGUN.
  • 00:12:03.130 --> 00:12:04.210
  • HIS LOVE HAS NO LIMIT,
  • 00:12:04.210 --> 00:12:05.250
  • HIS GRACE HAS NO MEASURE,
  • 00:12:05.250 --> 00:12:07.180
  • HIS POWER
  • 00:12:07.180 --> 00:12:08.030
  • HAS NO BOUNDARIES KNOWN
  • 00:12:08.030 --> 00:12:08.280
  • UNTO MEN, FOR OUT
  • 00:12:08.280 --> 00:12:10.130
  • OF HIS INFINITE RICHES
  • 00:12:10.130 --> 00:12:11.030
  • IN JESUS, HE GIVETH AND GIVETH
  • 00:12:11.030 --> 00:12:12.270
  • AND GIVETH AGAIN."
  • 00:12:12.270 --> 00:12:13.280
  • GOD SUSTAINS YOU.
  • 00:12:13.280 --> 00:12:15.140
  • GOD EMPOWERS YOU.
  • 00:12:15.140 --> 00:12:16.250
  • GOD ENABLES YOU
  • 00:12:16.250 --> 00:12:18.050
  • AND YOU DRAW CLOSER
  • 00:12:18.050 --> 00:12:19.080
  • THROUGH MANY TIMES OF AGONY.
  • 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:21.180
  • AND THE ONE THOUGHT
  • 00:12:21.180 --> 00:12:23.000
  • I LEAVE WITH YOU IS THIS,
  • 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:24.110
  • THERE'S A YOUNG GAL IN GEORGIA
  • 00:12:24.110 --> 00:12:25.270
  • BY THE NAME
  • 00:12:25.270 --> 00:12:26.090
  • OF ASHLYN BLOCKER,
  • 00:12:26.090 --> 00:12:27.280
  • SHE WAS FEATURED
  • 00:12:27.280 --> 00:12:29.010
  • IN A GOOGLE PICTURE
  • 00:12:29.010 --> 00:12:31.070
  • THIS LAST WEEK
  • 00:12:31.070 --> 00:12:31.260
  • AND I THINK IT IS KATIE COURIC
  • 00:12:31.260 --> 00:12:32.280
  • THAT IS INTERVIEWING
  • 00:12:32.280 --> 00:12:33.250
  • THE PARENTS AGAIN,
  • 00:12:33.250 --> 00:12:35.140
  • WHEN THE BABY WAS BORN,
  • 00:12:35.140 --> 00:12:36.260
  • THE MOTHER REALIZED
  • 00:12:36.260 --> 00:12:37.120
  • SOMETHING WAS WRONG,
  • 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:38.140
  • BECAUSE THE BABY DIDN'T CRY.
  • 00:12:38.140 --> 00:12:40.140
  • THE DOCTORS
  • 00:12:40.140 --> 00:12:40.260
  • NEVER DIAGNOSED ANYTHING,
  • 00:12:40.260 --> 00:12:41.280
  • EVERYTHING WAS FINE,
  • 00:12:41.280 --> 00:12:43.100
  • 'TIL THEY FOUND OUT
  • 00:12:43.100 --> 00:12:44.040
  • SHE HAD CIPA,
  • 00:12:44.040 --> 00:12:45.090
  • CONGENITAL INSENSITIVITY
  • 00:12:45.090 --> 00:12:47.040
  • TO PAIN WITH ANHIDROSIS,
  • 00:12:47.040 --> 00:12:49.000
  • SHE DOESN'T FEEL ANY PAIN.
  • 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:50.170
  • NO PAIN WHAT SO EVER.
  • 00:12:50.170 --> 00:12:51.220
  • SHE COULD STEP ON A NAIL,
  • 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:53.000
  • SHE COULD PUT A HAND
  • 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:53.220
  • ON A BURNER,
  • 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:54.250
  • AND NOT KNOW THAT HER HAND
  • 00:12:54.250 --> 00:12:55.180
  • WAS BEING BURNED.
  • 00:12:55.180 --> 00:12:56.230
  • THE MOTHER ENDED
  • 00:12:56.230 --> 00:12:57.150
  • HER LAST INTERVIEW,
  • 00:12:57.150 --> 00:12:58.210
  • THE LAST TIME I SAW THEM,
  • 00:12:58.210 --> 00:12:59.250
  • THE LITTLE GAL
  • 00:12:59.250 --> 00:13:00.140
  • WAS ONLY ABOUT 10 OR 12,
  • 00:13:00.140 --> 00:13:02.030
  • SHE SAID, "EVERY NIGHT
  • 00:13:02.030 --> 00:13:02.260
  • I GO TO BED SAYING,
  • 00:13:02.260 --> 00:13:04.090
  • "GOD PLEASE GIVE MY LITTLE GIRL
  • 00:13:04.090 --> 00:13:05.260
  • THE ABILITY TO FEEL PAIN."
  • 00:13:06.070 --> 00:13:09.070
  • IN OUR FINITE WORLD,
  • 00:13:09.070 --> 00:13:10.280
  • IF PAIN IS AN INDICATOR
  • 00:13:10.280 --> 00:13:12.030
  • OF SOMETHING THAT IS WRONG,
  • 00:13:12.030 --> 00:13:13.230
  • AND GETS US TO SEEK REALITY
  • 00:13:13.230 --> 00:13:16.150
  • OF FINDING HELP,
  • 00:13:16.150 --> 00:13:18.080
  • IS IT IMPOSSIBLE
  • 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:19.090
  • IN THE INFINITE MIND OF GOD
  • 00:13:19.090 --> 00:13:21.150
  • TO USE THE AGENCY OF PAIN
  • 00:13:21.150 --> 00:13:23.140
  • THROUGH WHICH TO DRAW US
  • 00:13:23.140 --> 00:13:25.020
  • AND TO BRING US
  • 00:13:25.020 --> 00:13:25.230
  • TO THE ULTIMATE CORRECTIVE.
  • 00:13:25.230 --> 00:13:27.170
  • THE GREATEST PAIN IS ULTIMATELY
  • 00:13:27.170 --> 00:13:29.020
  • THAT OF THE SOUL
  • 00:13:29.020 --> 00:13:30.010
  • AND THE SEPARATION FROM GOD.
  • 00:13:30.010 --> 00:13:31.270
  • SO HE IS ABLE TO SUSTAIN YOU,
  • 00:13:31.270 --> 00:13:34.000
  • BOTH IN THE PHYSICAL
  • 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:34.260
  • AND EMOTIONAL STRUGGLES,
  • 00:13:34.260 --> 00:13:35.250
  • AND IN THE DEEPEST PAIN OF ALL,
  • 00:13:35.250 --> 00:13:37.160
  • THAT'S SPIRITUAL ALIENATION.
  • 00:13:37.160 --> 00:13:39.170
  • I'LL LEAVE THAT WITH YOU.
  • 00:13:39.170 --> 00:13:41.250
  • - AT THIS TIME,
  • 00:13:49.090 --> 00:13:50.150
  • I THINK WE'LL BE TAKING
  • 00:13:50.150 --> 00:13:51.050
  • OUR LAST QUESTION,
  • 00:13:51.050 --> 00:13:52.110
  • UNFORTUNATELY,
  • 00:13:52.110 --> 00:13:52.290
  • AND WE'LL DO IT OVER HERE
  • 00:13:52.290 --> 00:13:54.100
  • - DON'T WORRY,
  • 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:57.220
  • I'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF,
  • 00:13:57.220 --> 00:13:59.160
  • WHILE I REALLY RESPECT
  • 00:13:59.160 --> 00:14:00.250
  • WHAT YOU'RE DOING BUT I JUST,
  • 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:02.250
  • COMING HERE, OUT OF A WHIM,
  • 00:14:02.250 --> 00:14:04.140
  • I WAS JUST CURIOUS,
  • 00:14:04.140 --> 00:14:06.040
  • YOU SPEAK OF TOLERANCE AND,
  • 00:14:06.040 --> 00:14:07.120
  • YOU KNOW, RESPECTFUL DISCOURSE
  • 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.010
  • AND I REALLY WANNA BELIEVE
  • 00:14:09.010 --> 00:14:09.290
  • IN THAT BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS
  • 00:14:09.290 --> 00:14:12.030
  • AS TO YOUR OPINION ON,
  • 00:14:12.030 --> 00:14:13.170
  • YOU KNOW, HAVING,
  • 00:14:13.170 --> 00:14:14.190
  • WHAT WE COULD SAY
  • 00:14:14.190 --> 00:14:15.250
  • AS A RESPECTFUL DISCOURSE
  • 00:14:15.250 --> 00:14:17.130
  • AS FAR AS LIKE,
  • 00:14:17.130 --> 00:14:18.230
  • LGBT RIGHTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT,
  • 00:14:18.230 --> 00:14:20.000
  • WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE,
  • 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.110
  • A CERTAIN IDEOLOGY WOULD BE,
  • 00:14:22.110 --> 00:14:24.110
  • HAVE A STRONG CONVICTION
  • 00:14:24.110 --> 00:14:25.280
  • ON THAT AND I WANNA KNOW
  • 00:14:25.280 --> 00:14:26.250
  • WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY FOR,
  • 00:14:26.250 --> 00:14:28.170
  • TO GET A GOOD RESPECTFUL
  • 00:14:28.170 --> 00:14:29.130
  • CONVERSATION GOING
  • 00:14:29.130 --> 00:14:30.260
  • FOR MORE PROGRESS
  • 00:14:30.260 --> 00:14:31.210
  • - I MEAN,
  • 00:14:39.250 --> 00:14:40.080
  • THIS HAS BECOME OBVIOUSLY
  • 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:41.040
  • VERY BIG ISSUE PARTLY BECAUSE,
  • 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:43.020
  • WELL, ANYTHING
  • 00:14:43.020 --> 00:14:43.140
  • FOR A WHOLE VARIETY OF REASONS
  • 00:14:43.140 --> 00:14:45.060
  • AND IT CERTAINLY ISN'T HELPED
  • 00:14:45.060 --> 00:14:46.070
  • BY THE SHRILL VOICES
  • 00:14:46.070 --> 00:14:47.080
  • ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DEBATE
  • 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:48.140
  • WHO ACTUALLY MAKE
  • 00:14:48.140 --> 00:14:49.230
  • HAVING ANY KIND OF DISCOURSE
  • 00:14:49.230 --> 00:14:50.260
  • OR CONVERSATION EVEN HARDER.
  • 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:54.120
  • I THINK, I MEAN,
  • 00:14:54.220 --> 00:14:57.220
  • I'M AWARE A LITTLE BIT,
  • 00:14:57.220 --> 00:14:59.100
  • WHEN I WAS SPEAKING LAST
  • 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:00.070
  • IN THE US IN TEXAS A & M
  • 00:15:00.070 --> 00:15:02.140
  • IN DECEMBER, THESE QUESTIONS
  • 00:15:02.140 --> 00:15:05.030
  • CAME UP AND HAD SOME
  • 00:15:05.030 --> 00:15:06.040
  • QUITE EXTENDED CONVERSATIONS
  • 00:15:06.040 --> 00:15:07.040
  • FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS
  • 00:15:07.040 --> 00:15:07.280
  • AFTER THE MEETING
  • 00:15:07.280 --> 00:15:09.010
  • WITH A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE,
  • 00:15:09.010 --> 00:15:10.040
  • THEY'LL DISCUSS
  • 00:15:10.040 --> 00:15:11.010
  • AND TALK ABOUT WITH ME
  • 00:15:11.010 --> 00:15:12.020
  • AND THIS ISSUE
  • 00:15:12.020 --> 00:15:13.010
  • THEY WANT TO DISCUSS WITH ME.
  • 00:15:13.010 --> 00:15:14.280
  • AND I THINK THE QUESTIONS,
  • 00:15:14.280 --> 00:15:16.070
  • WHICH, AMERICAN SOCIETY
  • 00:15:16.070 --> 00:15:19.040
  • HAS BEFORE IT RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:15:19.040 --> 00:15:20.110
  • IS TWO FOLD.
  • 00:15:20.110 --> 00:15:21.140
  • ONE, WHO INFORMS
  • 00:15:23.040 --> 00:15:26.040
  • THE MORAL CONVICTIONS
  • 00:15:26.040 --> 00:15:27.290
  • OF THEIR SOCIETY
  • 00:15:27.290 --> 00:15:30.030
  • AND WHERE DO THEY COME FROM.
  • 00:15:30.030 --> 00:15:32.090
  • NOW HISTORICALLY IN THE STATES,
  • 00:15:32.090 --> 00:15:33.110
  • YOU'VE BEEN VERY HEAVILY
  • 00:15:33.110 --> 00:15:34.120
  • INFLUENCED BY THE CHRISTIAN
  • 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:35.110
  • FAITH AND BY THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN
  • 00:15:35.110 --> 00:15:37.100
  • ETHIC AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE
  • 00:15:37.100 --> 00:15:39.070
  • HAPPENING NOW
  • 00:15:39.070 --> 00:15:39.240
  • IS A QUESTION WHETHER
  • 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:40.160
  • THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ETHIC
  • 00:15:40.160 --> 00:15:42.060
  • THAT AMERICAN SOCIETY
  • 00:15:42.060 --> 00:15:42.280
  • WANTS TO EMBRACE AND TO HAVE.
  • 00:15:42.280 --> 00:15:45.130
  • SO THAT IS GOING TO,
  • 00:15:45.130 --> 00:15:47.070
  • THAT'S GONNA BE A CONVERSATION,
  • 00:15:47.070 --> 00:15:48.180
  • WHICH IS GONNA HAVE
  • 00:15:48.180 --> 00:15:49.050
  • TO HAPPEN HERE.
  • 00:15:49.050 --> 00:15:50.060
  • I GUESS BOTH POLITICALLY,
  • 00:15:50.060 --> 00:15:51.090
  • AS WELL AS LIVING IN ACADEMIA,
  • 00:15:51.090 --> 00:15:53.090
  • WITH EVERY LEVEL OF SOCIETY,
  • 00:15:53.090 --> 00:15:54.160
  • AND I THINK THAT LEVEL,
  • 00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:55.270
  • THAT CONVERSATION
  • 00:15:55.270 --> 00:15:56.210
  • SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED.
  • 00:15:56.210 --> 00:15:58.000
  • I THINK THE NEXT QUESTION
  • 00:15:58.000 --> 00:15:59.290
  • WILL THEN BE,
  • 00:15:59.290 --> 00:16:01.120
  • WHAT DOES IT MEAN
  • 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:02.040
  • TO HAVE A DISAGREEMENT
  • 00:16:02.250 --> 00:16:05.250
  • AND WITHIN A CIVIL SOCIETY,
  • 00:16:05.250 --> 00:16:07.100
  • HOW DO YOU ALLOW
  • 00:16:07.100 --> 00:16:07.270
  • THAT KIND OF DIVERSITY.
  • 00:16:07.270 --> 00:16:09.290
  • NOW, WHAT I DO FIND INTERESTING
  • 00:16:09.290 --> 00:16:11.180
  • ABOUT THE DEBATES,
  • 00:16:13.040 --> 00:16:16.040
  • IS THIS,
  • 00:16:16.040 --> 00:16:17.090
  • BOTH IN ANCIENT GREECE
  • 00:16:17.090 --> 00:16:18.280
  • AND IN ROME,
  • 00:16:18.280 --> 00:16:20.260
  • IN THOSE SOCIETIES,
  • 00:16:20.280 --> 00:16:23.280
  • HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS
  • 00:16:23.280 --> 00:16:25.250
  • WERE SEEN AS BEING PURE
  • 00:16:25.250 --> 00:16:27.080
  • AND HIGHER
  • 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:27.220
  • THAN HETEROSEXUAL ONES.
  • 00:16:27.220 --> 00:16:30.190
  • SO, THE CULTURE A LARGE,
  • 00:16:30.190 --> 00:16:32.220
  • HAD THE CONVICTION
  • 00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:33.140
  • THAT HOMOSEXUAL LOVE
  • 00:16:33.140 --> 00:16:35.200
  • WAS OF A PURER AND NOBLE FORM
  • 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:37.060
  • THAN HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:16:37.060 --> 00:16:38.240
  • AND EVEN IF YOU WERE MARRIED,
  • 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:42.240
  • HAVING A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP
  • 00:16:42.260 --> 00:16:45.260
  • ON THE SIDE WAS SEEN
  • 00:16:45.260 --> 00:16:47.010
  • AS BEING WELL AND OPENLY
  • 00:16:47.010 --> 00:16:48.260
  • WAS SEEN AS BEING
  • 00:16:48.260 --> 00:16:49.170
  • PERFECT ACCEPTABLE.
  • 00:16:49.170 --> 00:16:51.000
  • AND IN SOME CASES,
  • 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:52.010
  • SOME OF THE LEADERS
  • 00:16:52.010 --> 00:16:52.230
  • IN THOSE SOCIETIES
  • 00:16:52.230 --> 00:16:53.180
  • WOULD HAVE BEEN OPENLY GAY
  • 00:16:54.020 --> 00:16:57.020
  • AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN
  • 00:16:57.020 --> 00:16:58.100
  • APPLAUDED FOR IT.
  • 00:16:58.100 --> 00:16:59.210
  • WHAT I DO FIND
  • 00:16:59.210 --> 00:17:00.160
  • INTERESTING HOWEVER,
  • 00:17:00.160 --> 00:17:01.200
  • IS BOTH IN ANCIENT GREECE
  • 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:03.080
  • AND IN ROME,
  • 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:04.100
  • THERE WAS NEVER ANY DEBATE
  • 00:17:04.100 --> 00:17:05.100
  • ABOUT CHANGING THE MEANING
  • 00:17:05.100 --> 00:17:06.070
  • OF MARRIAGE FOR EXAMPLE.
  • 00:17:06.070 --> 00:17:08.110
  • SO MARRIAGE WAS STILL
  • 00:17:08.110 --> 00:17:09.020
  • CLASSICALLY UNDERSTOOD.
  • 00:17:09.120 --> 00:17:12.120
  • BUT, EVEN THOUGH,
  • 00:17:12.120 --> 00:17:14.020
  • YOU KNOW, HOMOSEXUAL VIEWS,
  • 00:17:14.020 --> 00:17:15.200
  • HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP
  • 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:16.170
  • WERE VIEWED AS I SAID
  • 00:17:16.170 --> 00:17:17.190
  • ON A MORE NOBLE PLAIN,
  • 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:20.200
  • SO, WHERE I FIND
  • 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:21.270
  • THE DEBATE MORE,
  • 00:17:21.270 --> 00:17:24.020
  • MORE CONCERNING IS,
  • 00:17:24.020 --> 00:17:25.210
  • USING THE LEGISLATIVE FORCE
  • 00:17:25.210 --> 00:17:27.020
  • TO START CHANGING
  • 00:17:27.020 --> 00:17:27.180
  • THE MEANING OF WORDS
  • 00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:28.290
  • IN THE DICTIONARY.
  • 00:17:28.290 --> 00:17:30.140
  • THAT IS SOMETHING
  • 00:17:30.140 --> 00:17:31.280
  • I FIND MORE CONCERNING,
  • 00:17:33.170 --> 00:17:36.170
  • AND HISTORY DOESN'T SEEM
  • 00:17:36.170 --> 00:17:37.120
  • TO TELL A VERY HAPPY STORY
  • 00:17:37.120 --> 00:17:39.070
  • OF ANY SOCIETY THAT RESULTS
  • 00:17:39.070 --> 00:17:41.070
  • TO LEGISLATIVE FORCE
  • 00:17:41.070 --> 00:17:42.080
  • TO START REWRITING
  • 00:17:42.080 --> 00:17:43.000
  • THE MEANING OF WORDS.
  • 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.050
  • SO I'M WONDERING
  • 00:17:45.050 --> 00:17:46.180
  • IF THERE ARE WAYS
  • 00:17:46.180 --> 00:17:47.290
  • FOR THIS CONVERSATION
  • 00:17:47.290 --> 00:17:49.290
  • TO HAPPEN IN A WAY
  • 00:17:49.290 --> 00:17:50.190
  • THAT WILL TAKE PLACE,
  • 00:17:50.190 --> 00:17:53.090
  • IN A WAY THAT WILL ALLOW THAT,
  • 00:17:53.090 --> 00:17:55.210
  • AS I SAY, PEOPLE TO BE ABLE
  • 00:17:56.220 --> 00:17:59.220
  • TO SIT ON BOTH SIDES,
  • 00:17:59.220 --> 00:18:00.250
  • WHAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE
  • 00:18:00.250 --> 00:18:02.090
  • AND WHERE THEY THINK
  • 00:18:02.090 --> 00:18:02.240
  • THEY MAY BE WRONG
  • 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:03.180
  • AND THEN TO FIND A WAY,
  • 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:05.020
  • AS A SOCIETY,
  • 00:18:05.020 --> 00:18:07.070
  • TO LIVE THAT TOGETHER.
  • 00:18:07.070 --> 00:18:10.010
  • IN EUROPE,
  • 00:18:10.010 --> 00:18:10.180
  • WE'RE HAVING SIMILAR TYPES
  • 00:18:10.180 --> 00:18:12.130
  • OF DEBATES
  • 00:18:12.130 --> 00:18:13.130
  • AND IT'S GETTING COMPLICATED.
  • 00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:17.140
  • IN FRANCE AND IN GERMANY
  • 00:18:17.140 --> 00:18:19.000
  • THERE HAVE BEEN DEBATES
  • 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:19.200
  • ABOUT WHAT, HOW MUCH SURGERY
  • 00:18:21.010 --> 00:18:24.010
  • SHOULD BE ALLOWED
  • 00:18:24.010 --> 00:18:24.290
  • WITHIN THE GAY COUPLE
  • 00:18:24.290 --> 00:18:26.000
  • TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE BABIES
  • 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:28.020
  • AND TO ACTUALLY CONCEIVE
  • 00:18:28.020 --> 00:18:29.060
  • IF THEY'RE BOTH MEN,
  • 00:18:29.060 --> 00:18:30.180
  • BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY
  • 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:31.220
  • IS THERE NOW,
  • 00:18:31.220 --> 00:18:32.160
  • BUT OBVIOUSLY
  • 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:33.040
  • IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE
  • 00:18:33.040 --> 00:18:33.230
  • TO DO THAT, SHOULD THAT
  • 00:18:33.230 --> 00:18:35.010
  • BE PERMITTED OR NOT?
  • 00:18:35.010 --> 00:18:36.130
  • AND SHOULD THE TAX PAYER
  • 00:18:36.130 --> 00:18:37.080
  • HAVE TO PAY FOR IT
  • 00:18:37.080 --> 00:18:38.160
  • AND YOU CAN IMAGINE
  • 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:39.010
  • THESE KINDS OF DEBATES,
  • 00:18:39.010 --> 00:18:39.280
  • THESE KIND OF DEBATES
  • 00:18:39.280 --> 00:18:40.250
  • THAT RAISE VERY HIGH TEMPERATURE
  • 00:18:40.250 --> 00:18:43.150
  • IN THE ROOM.
  • 00:18:43.150 --> 00:18:44.170
  • SO I THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING
  • 00:18:44.170 --> 00:18:45.150
  • THAT CAN BE DONE
  • 00:18:45.150 --> 00:18:46.050
  • ON BOTH DIFFUSE THE TEMPERATURE
  • 00:18:46.050 --> 00:18:47.170
  • BUT ALSO ALLOW
  • 00:18:47.170 --> 00:18:48.060
  • AN ACTUAL DISCUSSION
  • 00:18:48.060 --> 00:18:49.150
  • OF THE FUNDAMENTALS ISSUES
  • 00:18:49.150 --> 00:18:50.190
  • WHICH ARE INVOLVED,
  • 00:18:50.190 --> 00:18:51.200
  • I THINK THEY'LL BECOME
  • 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:52.050
  • VERY IMPORTANT.
  • 00:18:52.050 --> 00:18:54.270
  • ANOTHER ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES,
  • 00:18:54.270 --> 00:18:56.070
  • OS GUINNESS,
  • 00:18:56.070 --> 00:18:56.290
  • I KNOW IN THE BOOK RAVI
  • 00:18:56.290 --> 00:18:58.050
  • REFERRED TO EARLIER
  • 00:18:58.050 --> 00:18:59.150
  • WHICH TALKS ABOUT
  • 00:18:59.150 --> 00:19:00.230
  • WHAT DO WE MEAN ABOUT
  • 00:19:00.230 --> 00:19:01.170
  • CIVIL SOCIETY AND FREEDOM,
  • 00:19:01.170 --> 00:19:02.210
  • I THINK HAS SOME
  • 00:19:02.210 --> 00:19:03.190
  • VERY PERTINENT THINGS
  • 00:19:03.190 --> 00:19:04.220
  • TO SAY INTO THAT PARTICULAR
  • 00:19:04.220 --> 00:19:06.100
  • DEBATE AND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:19:06.100 --> 00:19:07.160
  • I FEEL COMFORTABLE
  • 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.200
  • WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS THERE.
  • 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:11.220
  • AND I WOULD RECOMMEND IT
  • 00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:12.120
  • TO BE READ,
  • 00:19:12.120 --> 00:19:13.190
  • I DON'T KNOW
  • 00:19:13.190 --> 00:19:14.110
  • IF THERE'S MUCH MORE
  • 00:19:14.110 --> 00:19:15.070
  • THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SAY.
  • 00:19:15.070 --> 00:19:17.000
  • - I'D LIKE TO ANSWER
  • 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:17.250
  • THAT IN MY CLIFF,
  • 00:19:17.250 --> 00:19:18.190
  • I MAY MAKE OPPOSING STATEMENT
  • 00:19:18.190 --> 00:19:20.000
  • AT THAT TIME
  • 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:20.240
  • AND THEN TURN IT BACK TO YOU.
  • 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:22.220
  • I WANNA THANK YOU
  • 00:19:22.220 --> 00:19:23.140
  • FOR THAT QUESTION
  • 00:19:23.140 --> 00:19:24.270
  • AND I KNOW IN AN AUDIENCE
  • 00:19:24.270 --> 00:19:25.250
  • LIKE THIS, THERE'LL BE MANY
  • 00:19:25.250 --> 00:19:28.080
  • MANY DIVERSE VIEWS
  • 00:19:28.080 --> 00:19:29.090
  • CERTAINLY POLARIZING VIEWS
  • 00:19:29.090 --> 00:19:30.200
  • ON IT.
  • 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:31.120
  • AND SO IF YOU'RE HERE
  • 00:19:31.120 --> 00:19:32.080
  • TONIGHT, HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW
  • 00:19:32.080 --> 00:19:34.150
  • AND YOU HOLD THAT FIRMLY,
  • 00:19:34.150 --> 00:19:36.030
  • I WANNA THANK YOU FOR COMING,
  • 00:19:36.030 --> 00:19:37.080
  • I WANNA THANK YOU
  • 00:19:37.080 --> 00:19:37.240
  • FOR GIVING US A HEARING,
  • 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.090
  • BECAUSE IT MUST TAKE A LOT
  • 00:19:39.090 --> 00:19:40.260
  • OF EVERY OUNCE OF YOUR OWN
  • 00:19:40.260 --> 00:19:43.130
  • STRENGTH TO BE SEATED THERE,
  • 00:19:43.130 --> 00:19:45.010
  • LISTENING TO MAYBE A WORLD VIEW
  • 00:19:45.010 --> 00:19:46.200
  • THAT YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:47.040
  • COMFORTABLE WITH,
  • 00:19:47.040 --> 00:19:48.000
  • BECAUSE IT MAY CHALLENGE
  • 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:49.000
  • SOME OF YOUR OWN WORLD VIEW
  • 00:19:49.140 --> 00:19:52.140
  • OR HOW EVER YOU WANT TO LIVE
  • 00:19:52.140 --> 00:19:54.030
  • YOUR LIFE OUT.
  • 00:19:54.030 --> 00:19:56.060
  • I MAKE A PLEA
  • 00:19:56.060 --> 00:19:57.020
  • IN A COUPLE OF DIRECTION,
  • 00:19:57.020 --> 00:19:58.070
  • ALONG WITH WHAT MICHAEL.
  • 00:19:58.070 --> 00:19:59.190
  • YOU KNOW, OUR TEAM
  • 00:19:59.190 --> 00:20:00.050
  • IS BASED ON TEN COUNTRIES
  • 00:20:00.050 --> 00:20:01.260
  • AND WE COVER A LOT OF TERRITORY
  • 00:20:01.260 --> 00:20:03.180
  • HERE WITH POLITICIANS,
  • 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:04.210
  • WITH BUSINESS PEOPLE,
  • 00:20:04.210 --> 00:20:05.170
  • WITH ACADEMICS.
  • 00:20:05.170 --> 00:20:06.270
  • AND POLITICIANS
  • 00:20:06.270 --> 00:20:07.190
  • ARE BESIDES THEMSELVES,
  • 00:20:07.190 --> 00:20:09.000
  • THEY REALLY HAVE NO ANSWERS.
  • 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.040
  • ONE OF THE POLITICAL LEADERS
  • 00:20:11.040 --> 00:20:12.190
  • IN AFRICA, PUT HIS ARM IN MINE
  • 00:20:12.190 --> 00:20:14.070
  • AND AFTER I FINISHED ADDRESSING
  • 00:20:14.070 --> 00:20:15.150
  • THE PRESIDENTS THERE,
  • 00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:17.020
  • HE SAID, "ACCUMULATIVE WISDOM,
  • 00:20:17.020 --> 00:20:19.150
  • IS UNABLE TO MEET
  • 00:20:19.150 --> 00:20:20.230
  • THE DAUNTING CHALLENGES
  • 00:20:20.230 --> 00:20:21.140
  • OF OUR TIME.
  • 00:20:21.140 --> 00:20:22.240
  • ACCUMULATIVE WISDOM
  • 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:24.200
  • IS UNABLE TO MEET THE DAUNTING
  • 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:25.130
  • CHALLENGES OF OUR TIME."
  • 00:20:25.130 --> 00:20:27.010
  • BUT I WANNA SAY THIS.
  • 00:20:27.010 --> 00:20:28.260
  • WHAT WE SAW IN THE FISCAL CLIFF
  • 00:20:28.260 --> 00:20:30.230
  • IS MINOR COMPARED
  • 00:20:30.230 --> 00:20:32.100
  • TO WHAT WE WOULD SEE
  • 00:20:32.100 --> 00:20:33.210
  • IN AN IMMORAL CLIFF
  • 00:20:33.210 --> 00:20:35.050
  • IF WE EVER GET
  • 00:20:35.050 --> 00:20:35.260
  • TO THE TOP THERE.
  • 00:20:35.260 --> 00:20:37.030
  • IT WILL BE THE DEVASTATION
  • 00:20:37.030 --> 00:20:38.000
  • OF SO MUCH.
  • 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:39.160
  • WE GO IN MANY HOSTILE SETTINGS,
  • 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:42.130
  • MANY INIMICAL SETTINGS,
  • 00:20:42.130 --> 00:20:44.070
  • I GO IN PLACES
  • 00:20:44.070 --> 00:20:45.070
  • WHERE I'VE LITERALLY
  • 00:20:45.070 --> 00:20:46.040
  • HAD TO HAVE ARMED GUARDS
  • 00:20:46.040 --> 00:20:47.230
  • WHO ARE THERE IN CASE
  • 00:20:47.230 --> 00:20:48.190
  • ANYTHING HAPPENS.
  • 00:20:48.190 --> 00:20:50.010
  • I'VE ALWAYS MADE A PLEA
  • 00:20:50.010 --> 00:20:51.250
  • IN THE FOLLOWING WAY,
  • 00:20:51.250 --> 00:20:54.100
  • THE CHRISTIAN VIEW OF MARRIAGE
  • 00:20:54.100 --> 00:20:56.180
  • IS THAT MICHAEL
  • 00:20:56.180 --> 00:20:57.160
  • AND I WOULD HOLD,
  • 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:58.150
  • IS VERY DIFFERENT
  • 00:20:58.150 --> 00:20:59.080
  • TO THE ISLAMIC VIEW
  • 00:20:59.080 --> 00:20:59.260
  • OF MARRIAGE.
  • 00:20:59.260 --> 00:21:01.010
  • IN THE KORAN,
  • 00:21:01.010 --> 00:21:01.260
  • POLYGAMY IS PROVIDED FOR
  • 00:21:01.260 --> 00:21:04.000
  • AND ALLOWED FOR.
  • 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.250
  • AND IT IS MANDATED
  • 00:21:05.250 --> 00:21:07.190
  • BY THEIR RULES,
  • 00:21:07.190 --> 00:21:08.150
  • BUT YOU CAN HAVE POLYGAMOUS,
  • 00:21:08.150 --> 00:21:10.150
  • A POLYGAMOUS MARRIAGE.
  • 00:21:10.150 --> 00:21:12.100
  • MY OWN VIEW OF THAT
  • 00:21:12.100 --> 00:21:13.100
  • IS GOING BACK 5000 YEARS
  • 00:21:13.100 --> 00:21:14.210
  • WITH ABRAHAM,
  • 00:21:14.210 --> 00:21:16.000
  • THAT BECAME IN ONE
  • 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:17.000
  • OF THE FACTORS
  • 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:17.210
  • IN WHICH IT HAS CREATED
  • 00:21:17.210 --> 00:21:18.200
  • 5000 YEARS OF TURMOIL
  • 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:20.210
  • IN WHAT HAPPENED
  • 00:21:20.210 --> 00:21:21.260
  • IN THAT HOUSEHOLD BY VIRTUE
  • 00:21:21.260 --> 00:21:23.060
  • OF WHAT HAPPENED
  • 00:21:23.060 --> 00:21:23.280
  • IN THAT POLYGAMOUS RELATIONSHIP
  • 00:21:23.280 --> 00:21:25.130
  • AND THE OFFSPRING AND THE BLOOD
  • 00:21:25.130 --> 00:21:26.290
  • THAT HAS BEEN SPILLED
  • 00:21:26.290 --> 00:21:27.180
  • FOR 5000 YEARS,
  • 00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:28.230
  • STARTED AS A WAR BETWEEN
  • 00:21:28.230 --> 00:21:30.080
  • 2 HALF BROTHERS OVER
  • 00:21:30.080 --> 00:21:31.140
  • WHO HAD THE RIGHT
  • 00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:32.210
  • TO THE FATHER'S INHERITANCE
  • 00:21:32.210 --> 00:21:34.060
  • AND SPIRITUAL INHERITANCE
  • 00:21:34.060 --> 00:21:35.290
  • AND SO ON.
  • 00:21:35.290 --> 00:21:37.030
  • BUT THAT HAS NOT KEPT
  • 00:21:37.030 --> 00:21:37.220
  • MUSLIM PEOPLE FROM INVITING ME
  • 00:21:37.220 --> 00:21:39.110
  • TO SPEAK THERE.
  • 00:21:39.110 --> 00:21:40.190
  • MICHAEL IS HEADING OUT
  • 00:21:40.190 --> 00:21:41.150
  • TO CAIRO NEXT WEEK,
  • 00:21:41.150 --> 00:21:42.260
  • THIS YEAR I WAS IN
  • 00:21:42.260 --> 00:21:43.290
  • SO MANY ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
  • 00:21:43.290 --> 00:21:45.120
  • AND I'VE BEEN IN,
  • 00:21:45.120 --> 00:21:46.170
  • I WAS IN ISLAMIC UNIVERSITIES,
  • 00:21:46.170 --> 00:21:48.160
  • THE ISLAMIC UNIVERSITY
  • 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.090
  • OF MALAYSIA.
  • 00:21:49.090 --> 00:21:50.070
  • AND THE OLDEST
  • 00:21:50.070 --> 00:21:50.230
  • ISLAMIC UNIVERSITIES
  • 00:21:50.230 --> 00:21:52.030
  • WOULD BE A SHEIK SITTING
  • 00:21:52.030 --> 00:21:53.020
  • IN FRONT OF ME
  • 00:21:53.020 --> 00:21:53.190
  • FOR ONE AND A HALF HOUR
  • 00:21:53.190 --> 00:21:54.170
  • OPEN FORUM,
  • 00:21:54.170 --> 00:21:55.170
  • I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW
  • 00:21:55.170 --> 00:21:56.170
  • ON THE SANCTITY
  • 00:21:56.170 --> 00:21:57.070
  • OF MARRIAGE TO THEIRS,
  • 00:21:57.070 --> 00:21:58.070
  • BUT THEY ALLOW US
  • 00:21:58.070 --> 00:21:58.270
  • TO COME AND SPEAK.
  • 00:21:58.270 --> 00:22:00.050
  • SAME WITH BUDDHIST.
  • 00:22:00.050 --> 00:22:01.160
  • BUDDHIST MONKS
  • 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:02.070
  • HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW
  • 00:22:02.070 --> 00:22:02.260
  • OF MARRIAGE
  • 00:22:02.260 --> 00:22:03.260
  • THAN THE CHRISTIAN DOES.
  • 00:22:03.260 --> 00:22:05.250
  • SO ALSO,
  • 00:22:05.250 --> 00:22:06.280
  • WITH THE CATHOLIC TEACHING
  • 00:22:06.280 --> 00:22:09.110
  • ON CELIBACY IN THE MINISTRY,
  • 00:22:09.110 --> 00:22:11.190
  • WE DON'T HOLD
  • 00:22:11.190 --> 00:22:12.040
  • TO THAT AS A PROTESTANT,
  • 00:22:12.040 --> 00:22:15.020
  • EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS
  • 00:22:15.020 --> 00:22:15.280
  • AND SO ON.
  • 00:22:15.280 --> 00:22:16.280
  • BUT THAT DOES NOT KEEP THEM
  • 00:22:16.280 --> 00:22:18.070
  • FROM INVITING US.
  • 00:22:18.070 --> 00:22:19.280
  • WE GO AND SPEAK
  • 00:22:19.280 --> 00:22:20.210
  • AND CORDIALLY WE DISCUSS,
  • 00:22:20.210 --> 00:22:22.010
  • WE DISAGREE AND IF WE DISAGREE,
  • 00:22:22.010 --> 00:22:23.240
  • WE DO SO NOT COMPRISING
  • 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.010
  • OUR CONVICTIONS,
  • 00:22:26.010 --> 00:22:27.100
  • WE'LL SPEAK IN ANY SETTINGS,
  • 00:22:27.100 --> 00:22:29.100
  • I SPOKE
  • 00:22:29.100 --> 00:22:29.190
  • AT THE MORMON TABERNACLE,
  • 00:22:29.190 --> 00:22:31.040
  • THE FIRST NON MORMON
  • 00:22:31.040 --> 00:22:32.210
  • TO BE INVITED THERE
  • 00:22:32.210 --> 00:22:33.200
  • IN A 104 YEARS
  • 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:34.180
  • AFTER D.L. MOODY,
  • 00:22:34.180 --> 00:22:35.160
  • TO SPEAK AT THAT.
  • 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:36.200
  • I DON'T HOLD TO THEIR VIEW
  • 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:37.220
  • OF MARRIAGE AND SO ON,
  • 00:22:37.220 --> 00:22:39.080
  • WE WELL KNOW THAT.
  • 00:22:39.080 --> 00:22:40.180
  • BUT WE RESPECTFULLY
  • 00:22:40.180 --> 00:22:41.170
  • DEAL WITH THAT.
  • 00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:42.260
  • SO MY PLEA,
  • 00:22:42.260 --> 00:22:43.200
  • WITH THE SCEPTIC
  • 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:46.010
  • IN THESE MATTERS
  • 00:22:46.010 --> 00:22:47.240
  • IS CAN WE NOT STILL TALK?
  • 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.000
  • CAN WE NOT STILL HEAR
  • 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:52.120
  • ONE ANOTHER?
  • 00:22:52.120 --> 00:22:53.090
  • CAN YOU NOT GIVE THE CHRISTIAN
  • 00:22:53.090 --> 00:22:54.210
  • THE CHANCE TO DEFEND
  • 00:22:54.210 --> 00:22:55.270
  • WHAT IT IS ABOUT
  • 00:22:55.270 --> 00:22:56.120
  • THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
  • 00:22:56.120 --> 00:22:57.280
  • THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY SEE
  • 00:22:57.280 --> 00:22:59.150
  • AND WHY IT IS
  • 00:22:59.150 --> 00:23:00.190
  • WE HOLD THAT VIEW
  • 00:23:00.190 --> 00:23:01.130
  • AND WHEREVER SOCIETY
  • 00:23:01.130 --> 00:23:03.080
  • ULTIMATELY GOES,
  • 00:23:03.080 --> 00:23:04.100
  • IN AN OPEN ARENA OF QUESTION,
  • 00:23:04.100 --> 00:23:07.060
  • TRUTH WILL
  • 00:23:07.060 --> 00:23:07.230
  • AUTOMATICALLY TRIUMPH.
  • 00:23:07.230 --> 00:23:09.150
  • TRUTH WILL WIN OUT IN THE LIE
  • 00:23:09.150 --> 00:23:11.160
  • WILL BE SHOWN
  • 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:12.050
  • FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS.
  • 00:23:12.050 --> 00:23:13.280
  • WE ARE COMMITTED
  • 00:23:13.280 --> 00:23:15.040
  • TO BE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST
  • 00:23:15.040 --> 00:23:16.150
  • AND WE WILL PREACH HIS WORD
  • 00:23:16.150 --> 00:23:18.170
  • AND I THANK YOU
  • 00:23:18.170 --> 00:23:19.070
  • FOR GIVING US THAT OPPORTUNITY.
  • 00:23:19.070 --> 00:23:21.040
  • LET ME JUST CLOSE
  • 00:23:21.040 --> 00:23:22.000
  • WITH THIS SIMPLE ILLUSTRATION.
  • 00:23:22.130 --> 00:23:25.130
  • LAST YEAR,
  • 00:23:25.130 --> 00:23:26.120
  • AFTER 40 YEARS OF TRAVEL,
  • 00:23:26.120 --> 00:23:28.090
  • I EXPERIENCED SOMETHING
  • 00:23:28.090 --> 00:23:28.240
  • THAT I HADN'T EXPERIENCED
  • 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:29.250
  • IN A LONG TIME.
  • 00:23:29.250 --> 00:23:31.110
  • I WAS INVITED TO PREACH
  • 00:23:31.110 --> 00:23:32.240
  • AT THE ANGOLA PRISON
  • 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:34.180
  • IN LOUISIANA, WHICH HAS
  • 00:23:34.180 --> 00:23:36.240
  • 5300 HARDCORE PRISONERS.
  • 00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:40.140
  • 85% OF THEM ARE ON LIFE
  • 00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:42.260
  • WITHOUT PAROL.
  • 00:23:42.260 --> 00:23:43.290
  • 45 OF THEM ARE ON DEATH ROW
  • 00:23:44.020 --> 00:23:47.020
  • AND YOU WALK IN
  • 00:23:47.020 --> 00:23:47.220
  • AND SEE 22-23 YEAR OLD MEN
  • 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:49.240
  • WHO WILL NEVER
  • 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:50.100
  • LEAVE THE PRISON.
  • 00:23:50.100 --> 00:23:51.160
  • NEVER WALK OUT OF THERE
  • 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:52.260
  • AND THEY JAMMED THE AUDITORIUM
  • 00:23:52.260 --> 00:23:55.110
  • WHEN I WAS THERE TO SPEAK
  • 00:23:55.110 --> 00:23:56.290
  • AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF GRACE
  • 00:23:56.290 --> 00:23:59.060
  • AND FORGIVENESS AND REDEMPTION.
  • 00:23:59.060 --> 00:24:01.220
  • WHEN YOU WALKED PAST DEATH ROW,
  • 00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:03.250
  • YOU JUST GO BY THERE
  • 00:24:03.250 --> 00:24:05.230
  • AND THEY'LL REACH THEIR HAND OUT
  • 00:24:05.230 --> 00:24:07.170
  • AND THEY WILL GRAB YOUR HAND
  • 00:24:07.170 --> 00:24:09.140
  • AND ASK YOU TO PRAY FOR THEM.
  • 00:24:09.140 --> 00:24:11.040
  • THE CHAPLAIN,
  • 00:24:11.040 --> 00:24:12.050
  • THE WARDEN WHO WAS THERE,
  • 00:24:12.050 --> 00:24:13.250
  • A MAN BY THE NAME OF BURL CAIN,
  • 00:24:13.250 --> 00:24:15.210
  • THE GIRTH OF A SOUTHERN SHERIFF,
  • 00:24:15.210 --> 00:24:17.290
  • WAS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:24:17.290 --> 00:24:19.190
  • HE TOLD THE PRISON
  • 00:24:19.190 --> 00:24:21.170
  • THAT HE WOULD COME
  • 00:24:21.170 --> 00:24:22.040
  • IF THEY WOULD LET HIM
  • 00:24:22.040 --> 00:24:22.220
  • DO IT HIS WAY.
  • 00:24:22.220 --> 00:24:24.200
  • IT WAS THE BLOODIEST PRISON
  • 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:25.230
  • IN THE COUNTRY,
  • 00:24:25.230 --> 00:24:26.200
  • BLOOD MARKS ON THE WALLS,
  • 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:27.240
  • BLOOD MARKS ON THE CARPETS,
  • 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.000
  • WHEN YOU WERE CHECKED IN,
  • 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:29.270
  • YOU WERE GIVING A KNIFE
  • 00:24:29.270 --> 00:24:30.240
  • TO DEFEND YOURSELF.
  • 00:24:30.250 --> 00:24:33.250
  • TODAY IT'S THE SAFEST PRISON
  • 00:24:33.250 --> 00:24:35.100
  • IN THE UNITED STATES,
  • 00:24:35.100 --> 00:24:37.000
  • AFTER A FEW YEARS
  • 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:37.180
  • OF BURL CAIN BEING THERE.
  • 00:24:37.180 --> 00:24:38.280
  • BIBLE VERSES ALL OVER THE WALL,
  • 00:24:38.280 --> 00:24:41.060
  • ALL OVER THE WALL.
  • 00:24:41.060 --> 00:24:42.140
  • AND IN THE,
  • 00:24:42.140 --> 00:24:43.010
  • JUST BEFORE THESE GUYS
  • 00:24:43.010 --> 00:24:44.040
  • GO INTO THE ANTI ROOM
  • 00:24:44.040 --> 00:24:45.060
  • FOR THEIR LAST MEAL,
  • 00:24:45.060 --> 00:24:46.280
  • BEFORE THEY GO
  • 00:24:46.280 --> 00:24:47.150
  • TO THE EXECUTION ROOM,
  • 00:24:47.150 --> 00:24:48.250
  • I'LL NEVER BE
  • 00:24:48.250 --> 00:24:49.070
  • THE SAME AFTER SEEING
  • 00:24:49.070 --> 00:24:49.230
  • THAT EXECUTION CHAMBER,
  • 00:24:49.230 --> 00:24:50.180
  • I COULD NOT EVEN HANDLE IT,
  • 00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:52.030
  • WHERE THEY TELL YOU THE STORIES
  • 00:24:52.030 --> 00:24:53.010
  • OF WHAT HAPPENS THERE.
  • 00:24:53.010 --> 00:24:54.080
  • YOU JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT.
  • 00:24:54.080 --> 00:24:55.190
  • BUT I'LL NEVER FORGET
  • 00:24:55.190 --> 00:24:56.200
  • SITTING AT THAT TABLE,
  • 00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:59.030
  • THINKING WHAT MUST GO THROUGH
  • 00:24:59.030 --> 00:25:00.180
  • THE MIND OF MAN
  • 00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:01.140
  • AS HE'S ABOUT TO GO
  • 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:02.040
  • TO THE EXECUTION TABLE,
  • 00:25:02.250 --> 00:25:05.250
  • BUT I LOOKED UP AT THE WALL
  • 00:25:05.250 --> 00:25:07.000
  • AND THERE WAS A PAINTING,
  • 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:08.190
  • PAINTED BY A PRISONER OF DANIEL
  • 00:25:08.190 --> 00:25:10.170
  • AND THE LION'S DEN.
  • 00:25:10.170 --> 00:25:12.190
  • I SAID, "WHO PAINTED THAT?"
  • 00:25:12.190 --> 00:25:13.220
  • THE WARDEN SAID,
  • 00:25:13.220 --> 00:25:14.080
  • "A PRISONER."
  • 00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:15.040
  • I SAID, "WHY?"
  • 00:25:15.040 --> 00:25:16.180
  • HE SAID, "HE PAINTED IT
  • 00:25:16.180 --> 00:25:17.090
  • TELLING THE MAN
  • 00:25:17.090 --> 00:25:18.040
  • ABOUT TO BE EXECUTED,
  • 00:25:18.040 --> 00:25:19.270
  • YOU CAN STILL BE RESCUED,
  • 00:25:19.270 --> 00:25:21.160
  • DON'T GIVE UP."
  • 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:24.020
  • AND THEN I SAID,
  • 00:25:24.020 --> 00:25:24.170
  • "WHAT IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN?"
  • 00:25:24.170 --> 00:25:25.250
  • HE SAID, "LOOK AT THAT WALL."
  • 00:25:25.250 --> 00:25:27.220
  • ELIJAH WITH HIS CHARIOTS OF FIRE
  • 00:25:27.220 --> 00:25:30.140
  • TAKING THE PERSON
  • 00:25:30.140 --> 00:25:31.170
  • TO BE WITH HIS CREATOR
  • 00:25:31.170 --> 00:25:33.180
  • AND SO THE ARTIST
  • 00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:34.220
  • THAT IS IN PRISON SAID,
  • 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:36.040
  • "IF YOU'RE NOT RESCUED THIS WAY,
  • 00:25:36.040 --> 00:25:37.190
  • YOU WILL BE RESCUED THAT WAY."
  • 00:25:37.190 --> 00:25:40.070
  • IN EVERY CELL IS A BIBLE
  • 00:25:40.180 --> 00:25:43.180
  • AND THE CHAPLAIN
  • 00:25:43.180 --> 00:25:44.160
  • AND SOMEBODY SAID,
  • 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:45.230
  • "IF WE HAD MORE OF THESE
  • 00:25:45.230 --> 00:25:46.230
  • IN OUR SCHOOLS
  • 00:25:46.230 --> 00:25:47.170
  • AND IN OUR COLLEGES,
  • 00:25:47.170 --> 00:25:48.130
  • WE'D NEED LESS
  • 00:25:48.130 --> 00:25:49.030
  • OF THESE IN OUR PRISONS."
  • 00:25:49.030 --> 00:25:51.050
  • THE TRANSFORMATION
  • 00:25:51.050 --> 00:25:51.250
  • OF THESE MINDS IN THE MEN,
  • 00:25:51.250 --> 00:25:54.040
  • WHEN I LEFT THERE,
  • 00:25:54.040 --> 00:25:55.040
  • I GOT INTO THE PLANE
  • 00:25:55.040 --> 00:25:56.110
  • AND WE WERE SILENT,
  • 00:25:56.110 --> 00:25:57.150
  • THE FIVE OF US.
  • 00:25:57.150 --> 00:25:58.210
  • SILENT.
  • 00:25:58.210 --> 00:25:59.250
  • WE JUST SAW
  • 00:25:59.250 --> 00:26:00.260
  • HOW TRAGIC LIFE CAN BE
  • 00:26:00.260 --> 00:26:03.160
  • BUT WHAT REDEMPTION
  • 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:04.130
  • CAN ACTUALLY DO.
  • 00:26:04.130 --> 00:26:06.040
  • THE TRANSFORMATION OF A LIFE
  • 00:26:06.040 --> 00:26:07.290
  • AND THAT ONLY GOD
  • 00:26:07.290 --> 00:26:09.170
  • IS BIG ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
  • 00:26:09.170 --> 00:26:11.280
  • AND I PRAY,
  • 00:26:11.280 --> 00:26:12.090
  • IF YOU HAVE NEVER COME
  • 00:26:12.090 --> 00:26:12.290
  • THAT WAY TO HIM,
  • 00:26:12.290 --> 00:26:14.280
  • YOU'LL GIVE HIM A CHANCE
  • 00:26:14.280 --> 00:26:15.200
  • IN YOUR LIFE
  • 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:16.210
  • AND IF YOU'RE AN HONEST SCEPTIC,
  • 00:26:16.210 --> 00:26:18.150
  • KEEP HUNGERING
  • 00:26:18.150 --> 00:26:20.030
  • FOR THE BIBLE SAYS,
  • 00:26:20.030 --> 00:26:21.060
  • "YOU SHALL SEARCH FOR ME
  • 00:26:21.060 --> 00:26:22.180
  • AND FIND ME
  • 00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:22.290
  • WHILE YOU SHALL SEARCH FOR ME
  • 00:26:22.290 --> 00:26:23.270
  • WITH ALL YOUR HEART."
  • 00:26:23.270 --> 00:26:24.260
  • I HOPE WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE
  • 00:26:24.260 --> 00:26:25.240
  • TO COMING BACK HERE AGAIN,
  • 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:27.090
  • MY THANKS TO EVERYBODY
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  • IN THE VERITAS FORUM
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  • - Announcer: YOU'VE BEEN
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  • WATCHING LET MY PEOPLE THINK
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  • WITH DR. RAVI ZACHARIAS.
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  • WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRAYERS
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  • AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT.
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  • IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE
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  • ABOUT THIS MINISTRY,
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  • OR WOULD LIKE TO DONATE
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  • TO OUR EFFORTS,
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  • YOU CAN CALL US AT
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  • 1-800-448-6766.
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  • OR VISIT US ONLINE,
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  • AT WWW.RZIM.ORG.
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  • YOU CAN ALSO STAY CONNECTED
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  • TO RZIM THROUGH TWITTER
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  • AND FACEBOOK.
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  • OUR MAILING ADDRESS IS:
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  • RZIM, POST OFFICE BOX 1820,
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  • - WHAT IS OUR MESSAGE?
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  • OUR MESSAGE IS VERY CLEAR.
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  • FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD
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  • THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY
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  • BEGOTTEN SON.
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  • THAT WHOSEVER BELIEVES IN HIM
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  • SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE
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  • ETERNAL LIFE.
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  • THE FACT OF THE MATTER
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  • IS WE KNOW WHAT THE MISSION IS.
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  • WE KNOW WHAT THE METHOD IS.
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  • AND WE KNOW WHAT OUR MESSAGE IS.
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  • WITHOUT YOU, WE CAN'T DO IT.
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  • WE LOVE PEOPLE.
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  • WE WILL VALUE AND TREASURE
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  • THE GOSPEL AND WE WILL REMIND
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  • THEM IT'S THE ONLY WAY
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  • TO CHANGE LIFE AND TO FIND
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  • REDEMPTION AND HOPE AND GIVE
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  • A SECURE HOME FOR THE FUTURE.
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  • RZIM WILL YOU KEEP IT'S LIGHTS
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  • ON IN A DARK WORLD.
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  • WHAT HOPE A LITTLE LIGHT
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  • - LET MY PEOPLE THINK
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  • IS A LISTENER SUPPORTED
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  • TELEVISION MINISTRY,
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  • AND IS FURNISHED
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  • BY RAVI ZACHARIAS
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  • INTERNATIONAL MINISTRIES,
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