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Takeaways with Kirk Cameron | Critical Race Theory and Gender Theory | April 26, 2022
- - You don't have to go far to realize
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- that there's a lot of controversy
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- going on in today's classrooms.
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- Just turn on the news.
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- Debates about the identity and shepherding
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- of today's children have taken center stage.
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- This episode of "Takeaways" is gonna deal
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- with mature subject matter
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- and isn't well suited for little ones that might be around.
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- I just want a fair warning that what we're discussing
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- might be unsettling for some,
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- but for those of us who have been called
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- to speak the truth in love, shine light in the darkness,
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- and train up the next generation,
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- we cannot avoid these subjects
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- for the sake of our little ones.
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- And with that in mind, we're gonna talk
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- about two of the buzzword concepts
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- at the epicenter of this social battle.
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- You've heard them.
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- Critical race theory and gender theory.
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- We'll break both of these down
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- and explore some real world ways they're impacting
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- everything from entertainment to education.
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- Then, we'll discuss how these concepts
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- are being used together in what our next guest says
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- is an attempt to create little revolutionaries,
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- and no, not in a Yankee Doodle kinda way.
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- Let's talk about it right now on "Takeaways".
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- (upbeat music)
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- - The problem with critical theory
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- is in how it understands injustice
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- and how it understands oppression.
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- To fully embrace critical race theory,
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- you have to start chipping away
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- at your biblical sexual ethic.
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- (upbeat music continues)
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- - Some people might say, well,
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- you're really getting lost on sideline issues.
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- This isn't really about the gospel
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- and you're coming across as unloving.
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- How would you respond to them?
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- - Paul tells us in Romans not to be conformed to the world,
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- but to be transformed by the renewing of our mind.
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- So we need to recognize the dominant ideologies
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- that are influencing our thinking.
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- And these ideologies are rampant
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- throughout society right now.
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- I think Christians, we need to look
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- at this as an opportunity.
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- The wide scale adoption of these ideas shows us
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- that there's a hunger in people's heart for meaning,
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- and we have the answer, we have the gospel,
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- and we need to be stepping into this moment
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- unafraid to really address this stuff
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- and offer a better way.
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- (upbeat music continues)
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- - Josh Daws is the host of "The Great Awokening" podcast,
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- where he engages in cultural apologetics
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- by explaining wokeness one concept at a time
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- to a general Christian audience.
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- You can find his work wherever you listen to podcasts
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- or on Twitter at Josh Daws,
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- where he's known for his thoughtful threads
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- on cultural issues.
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- Josh resides in Georgia with his wife and their four kids.
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- Josh, thanks, thanks so much for coming
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- and being with me in person.
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- - Yeah, thanks for having me.
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- - So Josh, I love the name of your podcast,
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- first of all, "The Great Awokening".
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- We need a great awakening like nobody's business
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- in America right now.
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- We've had a couple of them,
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- and I'm praying hard
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- for a third one. - Oh, me, too.
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- - We need to be awakened to the principles of God.
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- The mandates that come from heaven are great,
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- because they liberate us.
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- They produce blessing and protection,
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- but there seems to be a cultural awakening of wokeness.
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- And for some it's sort of a mystery, it's all an enigma.
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- We're trying to figure out what it means.
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- What are we supposed to wake up to?
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- What have others woken to?
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- And you're helping us to understand all of that.
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- And you were involved in this mega thread
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- that went viral on Twitter
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- and it hit my radar screen when a friend sent it to me,
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- I read through it and I sent it to all of my friends
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- because I was like, wow, this is connecting some dots
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- that are really, really important.
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- But first, tell us how get involved
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- in all of these Twitter conversations.
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- I mean they're pretty intense.
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- Why would you choose to spend so much time
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- in the land of trolls?
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- (laughing)
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- - Possibly I'm a glutton for punishment, I'm not sure.
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- I got involved in Twitter.
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- I was an early adopter in 2007.
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- I've been on it for a long time,
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- but about four or five years ago,
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- I started to see several friends
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- that we had gone to church with begin to walk down
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- this social justice path to progressive Christianity
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- and then eventual apostasy, in some cases,
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- through this process of deconstruction.
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- And I heard all these terms that they were using,
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- these white privilege, white fragility, intersectionality.
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- And I just became really curious and burdened,
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- like what is happening?
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- What is going on to these otherwise solid Christians
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- that is taking 'em down this path?
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- And so as began just researching and learning about this,
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- I started to see some of these ideas show up
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- in otherwise conservative evangelical churches
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- and conferences and different books,
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- and just started to use my Twitter platform
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- to kind of wave the red flag and say, hey, hold up.
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- There's some problems here that's eroding people faith.
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- - Wow, so you noticed people's faith being eroded
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- and all these crazy new terms are flying around.
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- And then, what I read from you was this mega thread.
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- So explain to people what is a mega thread
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- and what was the thread that you were posting
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- that got so much traction?
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- - Sure.
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- So on Twitter, a single tweet is 280 characters.
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- So I find that it was really helpful for writing concise,
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- pithy ideas, getting 'em out there.
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- But if you have an idea that needs more space,
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- you can string a series of tweets together
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- in what's called a thread.
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- So the thread in question was 23 tweets long,
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- pretty long for a normal thread.
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- And it was really answering a question
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- that a lot of people are asking right now.
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- And that's why is the left so insistent
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- on talking to our kids about sexuality?
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- - Yeah, that's a great question.
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- Why would other people be so insistent
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- on talking to our kids about sexuality?
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- I mean that's a parent's job.
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- The church can help us with that,
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- because we look to God's word on a subject that's so sacred,
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- but why would others be so intent on talking
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- to our children about sex?
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- Not just healthy set sex ed that you
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- and I think of from school,
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- but this is like a full indoctrination through social media.
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- And it even appears to be creating
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- a wedge between parents and children.
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- What do you think about that?
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- - It's really something we're seeing in our classrooms.
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- This really whole, all erupted with some legislation
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- in Florida that some people on the left
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- were just livid about that.
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- All it did was ban instruction on sexuality
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- and gender identity in K through third grade classrooms,
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- which later polls showed that even 60% of Democrats
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- supported in Florida,
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- but the Left's reaction to this really just left
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- a lot of people like what is going on?
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- Why is this is this happening?
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- And my thread tried to answer that question.
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- And it really all goes back to a guy by the name
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- of Paulo Freire, who in the 1960s wrote a book called
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- the "Pedagogy of the Oppressed".
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- And pedagogy is just a fancy name for education.
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- And in that, he taught that education
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- was an inherently political act.
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- He said that teachers are either promoting the oppression
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- or they're perpetuating the oppression of society
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- by teaching the received knowledge from previous generations
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- or they're teaching to awaken
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- a critical consciousness in students.
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- He said that that was the purpose of education,
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- to awaken a critical consciousness.
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- We might call that being woke.
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- And so in the eighties and the nineties,
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- his educational philosophy became
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- the predominant most influential philosophy
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- of education in American schools of education.
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- And so we've had several generations now,
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- or several decades of teacher that were taught
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- and administrators that were taught this philosophy,
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- have been seated into our schools.
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- And so they believe that teaching is all about creating
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- little social justice activists.
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- - And certainly education is critically important.
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- We understand from the Bible that we're to train up
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- our children in the way that they should go.
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- And so we understand that their hearts
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- and their minds are shaped and formed by education.
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- That's why our textbooks need to be the right textbooks.
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- But you say that this new group of educators
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- is actually not looking to teach our kids about reality
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- and the way that God made the world,
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- but to turn them into little revolutionaries,
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- what do you mean by that?
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- You're not talking about revolutionary war characters
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- like George Washington, Yankee Doodle Dandy.
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- You mean something entirely different.
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- - Yeah, and unfortunately, it would be great
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- if there was a resurgence of learning about the founders
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- and teaching the principles of liberty and freedom,
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- but this is more along the lines of a Marxist revolution.
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- This has roots in Marxist philosophy.
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- So it's very much about tearing down what exists,
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- the systems in place that they believe are oppressive.
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- - It might seem really far-fetched for some people to think
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- that there is an active agenda that is seeking
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- to overthrow the ideas of this country.
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- And that one of the ways that that's going to be
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- accomplished is by separating children from their parents,
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- and separating children's values
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- from the church and the Bible.
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- Is that overthinking it, Josh?
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- Or do you think that that's really what's going on?
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- - I think that is what's going on, on some level.
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- I think there are good teachers
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- that are just trying to teach our kids.
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- They love the students,
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- but a lot of them are having their empathy
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- kind of weaponized against these kids
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- with these programs that sound nice.
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- But the overall agenda is very much happening.
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- They want to take the kids,
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- and they see anything that is reinforcing the society,
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- the norms of society, the cultural heritage
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- we have from the past,
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- they see that anything that's reinforcing
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- that is a threat to the agenda,
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- the little activists they want to create.
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- - And now, the two issues that you've
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- brought up in your thread
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- and that you're saying are of the real threat going on
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- within our schools are critical race theory,
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- also known as CRT, and also gender theory.
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- And I think a lot of us don't see the connection there.
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- Maybe not familiar that much with what either one are,
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- but have sort of general bad vibes about them.
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- But you say that they're actually two sides
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- of the same coin.
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- How did you draw that conclusion?
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- - Yeah, so both critical race theory and gender theory,
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- or queer theory it could also be called,
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- are subdisciplines of a larger academic discipline
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- called critical theory.
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- And so critical theory believes that every society
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- can be divided up into groups of oppressors
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- and oppressed that are divided along the lines
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- of race, sex, or gender, sexuality,
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- religion, wealth, even physical ability.
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- So any number of things,
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- and there's active discipline studying each one of those.
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- - That's all under the umbrella of critical theory.
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- - Yes.
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- - Okay, and what would be the purpose
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- of trying to divide society up into these groups
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- of you're the victim and you're the oppressor?
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- Why would anybody try to do that?
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- - It's really about societal transformation.
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- They believe that our society is inherently oppressive
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- and all the way back to Marx,
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- his solution was that we needed a worker's revolt.
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- We needed people to recognize how oppressed
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- they are so that they would rise up
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- and overthrow the systems that are oppressing everyone.
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- And these ideologies now are doing the same thing.
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- They're trying to help the oppressed class
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- recognize how oppressed they are
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- and the oppressors to recognize their oppression,
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- their complicity with that oppression.
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- - Some people might say that, Josh,
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- when you talk about critical race theory or gender theory,
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- and these kind kinds of terms like this
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- is a negative transformation of society,
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- some people might say, well,
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- you're really getting lost on sideline issues.
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- This isn't really about the gospel,
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- and you're coming across as unloving.
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- How would you respond to them?
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- - Yeah, I think we need to recognize,
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- and Paul tells us in Romans that we are
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- to not to be conformed to the world,
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- but to be transformed by the renewing of our mind.
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- So we need to recognize the dominant ideologies
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- that are influencing our thinking,
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- oftentimes without us even being aware of it.
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- And these ideologies are rampant
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- throughout society right now.
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- And so as we attempt to share the gospel with people,
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- we're gonna be running into these.
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- And I think it would be very helpful to recognize it,
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- know how to counter it,
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- and to explain the gospel in light
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- of what people are thinking.
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- - That's right.
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- These are ideas that we have to deal with,
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- because they're here.
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- We can't wish that they weren't here.
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- It is reality.
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- And so we wanna be able to look at all of these things
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- through a biblical lens so that we can
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- interact with people, with these ideas,
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- and use them as an opportunity to point
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- people toward the truth and the one that can bring hope,
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- and restoration, healing, and health.
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- Listen, after the break,
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- we're gonna go and dive into both of these concepts,
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- critical race theory and gender theory.
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- We're gonna talk about what they mean
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- and how they're being weaponized in today's world,
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- impacting all of us.
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- (upbeat music)
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- (upbeat music)
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- We're back with Josh Daws to have a critical discussion
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- on critical race theory, what it is,
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- and how it's influencing our culture.
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- Josh, I find this just absolutely fascinating.
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- And I'm so thankful you're here to fill in the gaps
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- and connect the dots for us.
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- Let's go back and talk about how critical race theory,
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- which we've heard quite a bit about in the media
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- is really stemming from something called critical theory.
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- Can you give us an overview of what critical theory is?
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- - Sure, so critical theory was formed
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- by a group of men in the 1930s who were Marxist thinkers
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- that were frustrated that the promised workers' revolution
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- had not come to fruition in the West.
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- So Marx had predicted that once workers
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- recognized that they were oppressed,
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- they would rise up, overthrow the dominant systems,
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- and usher in a communist utopia.
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- A guy by the name of Max Horkheimer,
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- who's one of these original critical theorists,
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- he introduced the term critical theory
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- by comparing it to what he called traditional theory.
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- And traditional theory was just trying
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- to understand the world as it is.
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- So it was just normal scientific method.
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- Let's understand the world.
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- Critical theory, on the other hand,
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- was trying to understand why the world
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- is not as it should be.
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- So right from its very inception,
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- it had a Marxist vision for what the world should be like
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- and was trying to understand why we're not there already.
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- - Okay, and the critical theory, it was what?
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- - It's just this idea of critically analyzing
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- the entire world around us to understand the forces
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- that are at work to keep us oppressed
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- to prevent this Marxist utopia from developing, emerging.
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- And so over the years, this project that they had
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- has grown into a broad academic discipline
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- with all these various subdisciplines
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- that examine different areas.
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- Foundational to them is the idea that any society
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- can be divided into groups of oppressors and oppressed
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- and that those groups are determined based on,
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- along lines of race, sexuality, gender, religion, wealth,
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- even things like physical ability.
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- There's even a critical theory called fat studies
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- that critically analyzes the way that fat people
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- are oppressed by thin people.
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- So any binary you can imagine in society,
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- critical theory has a study to examine it.
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- And another foundational idea or core tenant
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- of critical theory is that these oppressor groups
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- always oppress the oppressed.
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- There is no such thing as using power on behalf of others.
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- It's if you are in power,
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- you are oppressing the oppressed groups.
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- And they believe that a society's norms, values,
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- ideas are inherently oppressive.
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- - Except their own ideas.
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- - Of course.
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- (laughing)
- 00:18:09.944 --> 00:18:11.145
- - And once an oppressor, always an oppressor.
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- You can't get away from it.
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- You just need to get rid of the oppressors.
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- - Yep.
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- - Or change them to agree with you.
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- - Yeah, and so critical theory is all about tearing down
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- these systems that they believe are oppressive.
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- So that's what their version of social justice really is.
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- - That's interesting.
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- So is there a connection between critical theory
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- and social justice?
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- - There is.
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- The ultimate goal of critical theory is to bring
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- about a just society through social justice activism
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- that would tear down these systems,
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- replace them with an equitable distribution of power,
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- which as we all know, seeing throughout history
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- where anytime the Marxist project has been tried,
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- it's just not tenable.
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- You cannot have an inherently equal society.
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- - Tearing down a society in order to build up a new society.
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- That's such an interesting concept.
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- I mean, we would love to see Heaven here on Earth, as well.
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- We'd love to see God's principles put into action
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- and see bad ideas put down.
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- So I guess it really comes down to what are the good ideas
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- and what are the bad ideas?
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- And what's the right way to bring
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- about transformation of a culture?
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- And critical theory you're saying
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- is ultimately about dividing people.
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- It's splitting everybody up
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- and getting everybody fighting against one another.
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- And then ultimately, how do you fix the chaos
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- according to critical theory?
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- What do you do?
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- - That's where the revolution is the goal.
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- It's if you can get people upset enough,
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- they will rise up and overthrow the power
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- that is controlling everything.
- 00:19:58.052 --> 00:20:00.021
- - But then, some power has to control
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- everything all over again,
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- or you'd have nothing but chaos.
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- So don't you just wind up right where you started?
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- - We do, yep.
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- Critical theory would then say
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- that now this group is in power
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- and using their hegemonic power
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- to keep everyone else suppressed.
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- And so then the process starts again.
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- So it's this really perpetual state
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- of revolution that they're after.
- 00:20:20.408 --> 00:20:22.543
- - So we talked about social justice.
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- Isn't that a biblical concept though,
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- the idea of having justice in our society?
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- Don't we wanna help the poor?
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- Isn't that part of our job is to reach out
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- to those who are in need
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- and speak up for those who don't to have a voice?
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- - Absolutely, yeah.
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- Throughout scripture, we see that the Lord's heart
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- for the oppressed, for those,
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- the poor, the widows, the orphans,
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- and we're commanded to do our part
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- to love those in those situations
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- and to use our power on behalf of the less fortunate.
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- The problem with critical theory
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- is in how it understands injustice
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- and how it understands oppression.
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- - Okay, talk about this then.
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- How does critical race theory understand injustice?
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- - So critical theory's understanding
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- of oppression is that the ideas, the norms,
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- the values that a society has are oppression.
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- So we're not talking about...
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- The biblical understanding of oppression would be
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- using your power in a cruel or unjust manner.
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- So think of American slavery, Egyptian slavery.
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- - Pharaohs enslaving the Jews and right.
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- - Exactly, so that's what most Christians would think
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- of when you were talking about injustice or oppression.
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- And so when critical theory or critical race theory
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- talks about ending oppression,
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- it sounds really good to Christian ears.
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- - It does, we should end oppression.
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- - Exactly, but we need to understand
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- what they're actually talking about.
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- So in the summer of 2020,
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- after the death of George Floyd,
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- the Smithsonian Institute published a website
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- to help Americans talk about race.
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- Since we were having this national conversation
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- about racism and racial injustice.
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- They published as part of that an infographic called the,
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- I think it was the aspects and something of whiteness,
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- and it's explaining this whole concept of whiteness
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- and what whiteness is.
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- This oppressive force that white culture has imposed upon
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- and was keeping people of color oppressed.
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- And in that, they listed out several things
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- that made up whiteness.
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- Among that, it was things like the Protestant work ethic
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- or delayed gratification, politeness,
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- punctuality, being places on time,
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- even the idea that Christianity was the norm or monotheism.
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- Monotheism, they identified as an aspect of whiteness
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- and white culture, which I'm sure the ancient Israelites
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- would like a word about that.
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- So you have to understand
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- that as we hear the critical race theory call
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- to be about fighting oppression
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- and tearing down systemic injustice,
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- we have to ask really good questions
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- about what is it you mean by that?
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- 'Cause anything on that Smithsonian list is,
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- you find that in scripture is praised as a good thing.
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- And so critical theory would see things that the Bible
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- admonishes us to do such as discipline
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- and responsibility as tools of oppression.
- 00:23:42.776 --> 00:23:46.247
- - We also hear the words lived experience
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- and empathy being the most important things
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- that we can feel today in regard to these issues.
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- But you say that those emotions of empathy, compassion,
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- understanding are being weaponized
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- and used by critical theory to destroy our culture.
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- What do you mean by that?
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- - So lived experience is the idea
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- that an oppressed person has a,
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- because of their social location as an oppressed person,
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- they have unquestionable access to knowledge,
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- understanding of oppression.
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- So they have a moral authority
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- that their oppression confers to them.
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- And so this is I think the primary Trojan horse
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- that brings these ideas into the church
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- is when these topics come up,
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- you and I would be having this conversation,
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- and people would say, well, you guys are two white guys.
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- You really can't be talking about this.
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- You don't have any insight into this.
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- - Yeah, you never walked a mile in someone else's shoes.
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- - Right, and so as Christians,
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- we know that we are supposed to listen to others.
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- We're to learn from others,
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- we're to hear other perspectives.
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- But critical theory takes that a step further
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- and says that it is an unquestionable source of truth.
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- That the truth is located
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- in the lived experience of the oppressed.
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- And beyond that, it's not just that you have
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- to accept their understanding of the truth.
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- You have to accept the conclusions
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- drawn from their understanding.
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- - That's interesting.
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- It feels to me like you've got two different teams
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- playing a game of basketball,
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- but really only one of them gets
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- to actually go out on the field and play,
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- and they control the referees, as well.
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- So it seems like some parts of society don't get to become,
- 00:25:47.167 --> 00:25:51.038
- don't get to be part of the conversation.
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- Does critical race theory conflict with the gospel?
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- If so, how does it?
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- - Yeah, I believe it does.
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- And that's due to one particular concept
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- that critical race theory introduced,
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- and that's the concept of intersectionality.
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- So intersectionality would say that your level
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- of oppression is based on how many
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- different oppressed groups you can identify with.
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- So a black man would be less oppressed than a black woman,
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- 'cause the black man is only oppressed
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- on the one category of being black.
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- But a black woman would be oppressed
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- because she's black and a woman.
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- And so they believe that there's these interlocking systems
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- of oppression that need to be examined,
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- and that includes sexuality.
- 00:26:35.449 --> 00:26:38.886
- And so to fully embrace critical race theory,
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- you have to start chipping away
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- at your biblical sexual ethic.
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- And so it immediately gets you into some dicey territory
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- where you have to start tossing out parts
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- of the Bible that don't align with critical theory.
- 00:26:53.367 --> 00:26:56.670
- - That's fascinating.
- 00:26:57.337 --> 00:26:58.839
- And so you're suggesting that critical race theory
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- is actually teeing up something else,
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- which is gender theory.
- 00:27:04.545 --> 00:27:06.513
- And that the two actually are two sides of the same coin.
- 00:27:06.513 --> 00:27:10.818
- How is that?
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- How does critical race theory pave
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- the way for gender theory?
- 00:27:14.121 --> 00:27:15.923
- - Sure, so when someone embraces these ideas
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- from critical race theory through intersectionality
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- and seeing how all the different oppressed groups
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- are oppressed differently,
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- you have to begin asking questions of like, okay,
- 00:27:30.104 --> 00:27:33.707
- if I can't speak into this,
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- if I can't talk about these issues as a white man
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- because I don't understand the social location
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- of the oppressed-
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- - Lived experience of the people who are oppressed.
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- - Right.
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- As a Christian, that sounds good
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- when we're talking about race,
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- but then once we bring up the subject of sexuality,
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- well, if I'm gonna be consistent,
- 00:27:54.928 --> 00:27:57.431
- I can't speak into the life of a gay friend,
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- because I don't know his experience.
- 00:28:01.835 --> 00:28:03.771
- I can't deliver biblical truth in those relationships,
- 00:28:03.771 --> 00:28:08.475
- because my perspective is that of a straight man.
- 00:28:08.475 --> 00:28:13.547
- And I don't know.
- 00:28:14.214 --> 00:28:15.482
- So I just need to listen and learn,
- 00:28:15.482 --> 00:28:17.384
- and I probably need to interact
- 00:28:17.384 --> 00:28:18.585
- with some liberal theologians that have
- 00:28:18.585 --> 00:28:20.654
- a different affirming view of homosexuality.
- 00:28:20.654 --> 00:28:23.557
- And so this is how it begins to erode your faith,
- 00:28:23.557 --> 00:28:27.094
- because we're bringing in this paradigm that just shifts
- 00:28:27.094 --> 00:28:30.397
- the way we interact with the truth.
- 00:28:30.397 --> 00:28:33.433
- - And the theory of critical theory
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- is that somehow all of this turmoil
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- and this separating into groups
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- and the fighting is somehow going to produce
- 00:28:41.975 --> 00:28:46.780
- a utopia in society?
- 00:28:46.780 --> 00:28:48.982
- - (laughs) That's the plan.
- 00:28:48.982 --> 00:28:51.552
- Sometimes, I think that the whole goal
- 00:28:52.653 --> 00:28:54.688
- is perpetual revolution,
- 00:28:54.688 --> 00:28:56.690
- 'cause angry, divided populous is very easy to exploit.
- 00:28:56.690 --> 00:29:01.695
- - Wow, crazy things.
- 00:29:02.362 --> 00:29:03.931
- Upending the family, looking to divide people,
- 00:29:03.931 --> 00:29:07.034
- and get people to fight,
- 00:29:07.034 --> 00:29:08.302
- and out of that comes a utopia, crazy ideas.
- 00:29:08.302 --> 00:29:11.305
- When we come back, we're gonna talk more
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- about gender theory and the role that Josh believes
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- that it plays in a cultural agenda today right after this.
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- Welcome back, everyone.
- 00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:34.727
- So Josh, we first talked about how you believe
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- that gender theory and critical race theory
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- are two sides of the same coin.
- 00:29:41.934 --> 00:29:43.636
- They're both pointed at the same goal.
- 00:29:43.636 --> 00:29:45.872
- And in our next segment,
- 00:29:45.872 --> 00:29:47.173
- we kind of broke down critical race theory
- 00:29:47.173 --> 00:29:48.875
- and critical theory.
- 00:29:48.875 --> 00:29:50.076
- Now, let's talk about gender theory.
- 00:29:50.076 --> 00:29:51.510
- What is that?
- 00:29:51.510 --> 00:29:53.112
- - So gender theory can also be known as queer theory.
- 00:29:53.112 --> 00:29:56.883
- It's really an attack on the normal.
- 00:29:56.883 --> 00:30:01.954
- It's this idea that the gender binary of a male
- 00:30:03.089 --> 00:30:05.791
- and a female is somehow oppressive.
- 00:30:05.791 --> 00:30:08.027
- - And just real quick, binary meaning two, right?
- 00:30:08.027 --> 00:30:10.663
- - Two, yes.
- 00:30:10.663 --> 00:30:12.431
- - Binary, two different genders.
- 00:30:12.431 --> 00:30:14.000
- - Two different genders as God made them, male and female.
- 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.270
- So what we received from scripture,
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- they would say that's an oppressive idea that we are...
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- And gender theory and queer theory
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- is really addressing children,
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- because that's where we develop our identity.
- 00:30:30.449 --> 00:30:33.986
- We feel comfortable in our body.
- 00:30:33.986 --> 00:30:36.756
- We learn what it means to be a boy,
- 00:30:36.756 --> 00:30:38.324
- and what it means to be a girl.
- 00:30:38.324 --> 00:30:40.192
- And so gender theory is very focused
- 00:30:40.192 --> 00:30:42.061
- on teaching kids to reject that binary.
- 00:30:42.061 --> 00:30:46.399
- - Which just sounds so outrageous
- 00:30:47.466 --> 00:30:51.804
- to those of us who understand scripture,
- 00:30:51.804 --> 00:30:54.073
- who understand the reality of the way that God made us.
- 00:30:54.073 --> 00:30:58.277
- We talked about the identity issues
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- with critical race theory being broken into these categories
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- of the oppressed and the oppressor,
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- the victims and the perpetrators of the cruelty.
- 00:31:05.351 --> 00:31:10.923
- What about gender theory?
- 00:31:11.724 --> 00:31:13.125
- What are the identity categories there?
- 00:31:13.125 --> 00:31:16.329
- - That's the thing because it's against
- 00:31:16.329 --> 00:31:19.732
- the norm of a man and woman, of male and female.
- 00:31:19.732 --> 00:31:24.470
- They're essentially creating
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- out of whole cloth a wide variety.
- 00:31:26.605 --> 00:31:29.508
- I think Facebook has like 47 different gender options
- 00:31:29.508 --> 00:31:33.412
- that you can identify as.
- 00:31:33.412 --> 00:31:34.981
- You could be an asexual, you could be a gender fluid,
- 00:31:36.315 --> 00:31:40.219
- all of these different identities that you can,
- 00:31:41.320 --> 00:31:44.223
- they call it performative gender.
- 00:31:45.257 --> 00:31:47.293
- So you can put on these identities
- 00:31:47.293 --> 00:31:49.962
- as a way of kind of thumbing your nose
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- at traditional oppressive categories of male and female.
- 00:31:53.199 --> 00:31:57.203
- - On a practical level, what are some of the effects
- 00:31:57.203 --> 00:32:00.172
- that gender theory is having on children in the classroom?
- 00:32:00.172 --> 00:32:03.142
- - Yeah, and this is where it's really heart-breaking.
- 00:32:04.510 --> 00:32:07.213
- This is becoming an epidemic in America.
- 00:32:08.347 --> 00:32:12.518
- And I think people are starting to wake up to that
- 00:32:12.518 --> 00:32:14.954
- of kids that are being encouraged to identify
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- and to step into these gender identities.
- 00:32:19.291 --> 00:32:22.995
- We have adults that are trying to lead them down this path
- 00:32:22.995 --> 00:32:27.133
- that is leading a lot of kids to transgender identity.
- 00:32:27.133 --> 00:32:32.204
- And that comes with a whole variety of different procedures
- 00:32:33.539 --> 00:32:37.510
- that are done to drastically change the body.
- 00:32:38.711 --> 00:32:41.514
- It's irreversible many times.
- 00:32:41.514 --> 00:32:43.749
- So they'll put them on puberty blockers
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- if they haven't gone through puberty yet
- 00:32:45.851 --> 00:32:47.386
- that just keeps the them in extended childhood
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- until they can determine which gender do I want to be.
- 00:32:53.025 --> 00:32:56.162
- We're seeing kids as young as 13, 14,
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- getting top surgeries where their breasts are removed.
- 00:32:59.865 --> 00:33:02.835
- It's very horrific stuff.
- 00:33:02.835 --> 00:33:05.571
- There's a very real cost to this ideology
- 00:33:05.571 --> 00:33:09.475
- being promoted in schools.
- 00:33:09.475 --> 00:33:11.310
- - And why do you think parents are allowing this to happen?
- 00:33:11.310 --> 00:33:14.613
- - I think that we've, for too long,
- 00:33:15.648 --> 00:33:17.550
- we've bought the idea that the teachers are the experts,
- 00:33:17.550 --> 00:33:22.621
- that the school administrators, they're the experts.
- 00:33:23.823 --> 00:33:25.991
- I'm just the parent.
- 00:33:25.991 --> 00:33:27.226
- I can't, you know, I don't need, you know.
- 00:33:27.226 --> 00:33:29.562
- I can't really speak into this,
- 00:33:29.562 --> 00:33:31.163
- 'cause I don't have a degree in gender studies or whatever.
- 00:33:31.163 --> 00:33:35.901
- And so we end up kind of delegating that responsibility
- 00:33:35.901 --> 00:33:40.973
- to the experts in the classroom.
- 00:33:41.774 --> 00:33:44.076
- And we believe what they're telling us.
- 00:33:44.076 --> 00:33:45.978
- Like many parents will be told if you don't affirm
- 00:33:45.978 --> 00:33:48.547
- your daughters new identity,
- 00:33:49.348 --> 00:33:51.550
- then your daughter's gonna commit suicide.
- 00:33:51.550 --> 00:33:54.553
- Like that's just flat out what's gonna happen.
- 00:33:54.553 --> 00:33:58.524
- And so these parents are horrified by this, obviously.
- 00:33:58.524 --> 00:34:02.461
- And so many of them will come alongside
- 00:34:02.461 --> 00:34:05.831
- and affirm this out of this fear
- 00:34:05.831 --> 00:34:08.000
- that if I don't embrace this new identity,
- 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:12.705
- that there's gonna be great harm to their child.
- 00:34:12.705 --> 00:34:16.742
- - It sounds to me like we as parents
- 00:34:16.742 --> 00:34:18.210
- need to get our identity back,
- 00:34:18.210 --> 00:34:20.446
- and we need to understand who we are
- 00:34:20.446 --> 00:34:22.548
- in the lives of our children.
- 00:34:22.548 --> 00:34:24.550
- God has placed us as parents in positions
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- of benevolent authority to guide our children toward wisdom
- 00:34:28.120 --> 00:34:32.324
- so that they can know God, they can see God,
- 00:34:32.324 --> 00:34:34.660
- they can understand who they are
- 00:34:34.660 --> 00:34:36.328
- so that they don't get duped by these wolves
- 00:34:36.328 --> 00:34:38.330
- in sheep's clothing who wanna eat them for lunch.
- 00:34:38.330 --> 00:34:42.501
- - Yeah, absolutely.
- 00:34:42.501 --> 00:34:43.969
- I think for too long we've kind of bought into this illusion
- 00:34:43.969 --> 00:34:47.439
- that we're in a neutral world, that the world is okay.
- 00:34:47.439 --> 00:34:51.443
- You Christians do your thing over there.
- 00:34:51.443 --> 00:34:53.479
- We'll do our thing here.
- 00:34:53.479 --> 00:34:54.980
- Like the education system is this neutral place that we
- 00:34:54.980 --> 00:34:57.716
- send our kids to that doesn't have any sort of agenda.
- 00:34:57.716 --> 00:35:00.886
- And I think we're starting to see that that's not the case,
- 00:35:00.886 --> 00:35:03.656
- that there very much is an agenda,
- 00:35:03.656 --> 00:35:05.891
- and it's oftentimes directly opposed to what we're trying
- 00:35:05.891 --> 00:35:08.894
- to teach at home as Christian parents.
- 00:35:08.894 --> 00:35:10.863
- - And what I know is freaking a lot of parents out,
- 00:35:12.131 --> 00:35:14.567
- and we're seeing parents rise up about this and saying,
- 00:35:14.567 --> 00:35:16.702
- "Hey, these are my children.
- 00:35:16.702 --> 00:35:18.237
- I'm gonna decide what my kids
- 00:35:18.237 --> 00:35:19.772
- are gonna learn in this school."
- 00:35:19.772 --> 00:35:21.640
- And we're seeing politicians say more and more,
- 00:35:21.640 --> 00:35:24.143
- "No, you're not the experts.
- 00:35:24.143 --> 00:35:26.212
- You're not gonna decide what kids are gonna learn."
- 00:35:26.212 --> 00:35:28.948
- And so it really comes down to this battle of worldviews.
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- Who is in charge of our children?
- 00:35:31.650 --> 00:35:34.920
- And when schools try to keep things secret
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- or separate from parents
- 00:35:37.723 --> 00:35:40.359
- and encourage children to do things,
- 00:35:40.359 --> 00:35:43.062
- and they don't let the parents have any say in the matter,
- 00:35:43.062 --> 00:35:46.432
- that is just outrageous to me.
- 00:35:47.233 --> 00:35:48.901
- How did the schools ever get this idea
- 00:35:48.901 --> 00:35:51.570
- that they had such authority to marginalize parents?
- 00:35:51.570 --> 00:35:56.475
- - Yeah, I think it gets back
- 00:35:56.475 --> 00:35:57.643
- to what I talk about in the thread.
- 00:35:57.643 --> 00:35:58.911
- It's just this idea of needing to sever
- 00:35:58.911 --> 00:36:01.747
- that bond between parents and children,
- 00:36:01.747 --> 00:36:04.016
- because they believe that the parents at high home
- 00:36:04.016 --> 00:36:07.886
- are an obstacle to what they're trying to teach at school.
- 00:36:07.886 --> 00:36:11.690
- So if they can get these kids to step into a new identity,
- 00:36:11.690 --> 00:36:15.628
- and then we hide that from the parents...
- 00:36:15.628 --> 00:36:17.663
- I saw one school,
- 00:36:17.663 --> 00:36:20.366
- or I think it's a trend in multiple schools,
- 00:36:20.366 --> 00:36:23.569
- are establishing transition closets
- 00:36:23.569 --> 00:36:27.406
- so that you can leave home as a little boy,
- 00:36:27.406 --> 00:36:31.343
- show up at school,
- 00:36:31.343 --> 00:36:33.212
- change clothes into a little girl's clothes.
- 00:36:33.212 --> 00:36:35.214
- And so while you're at school, you're a girl.
- 00:36:35.214 --> 00:36:38.083
- And then before you go home,
- 00:36:38.083 --> 00:36:39.351
- they change you back so that your parents
- 00:36:39.351 --> 00:36:41.120
- never know the identity that you have at school.
- 00:36:41.120 --> 00:36:43.756
- - To protect you and your true identity.
- 00:36:44.890 --> 00:36:49.695
- I mean, Clark Kent went into the phone booth,
- 00:36:50.796 --> 00:36:52.498
- and he came out as Superman,
- 00:36:52.498 --> 00:36:53.732
- but this is taking it to a whole 'nother level.
- 00:36:53.732 --> 00:36:56.001
- - What this does to kids is it teaches them
- 00:36:56.001 --> 00:37:00.439
- to keep secrets from your parents.
- 00:37:00.439 --> 00:37:03.742
- It teaches them that the trusted adults
- 00:37:03.742 --> 00:37:06.679
- in your life are at school.
- 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:08.547
- And that at home, they are trying to oppress you.
- 00:37:08.547 --> 00:37:12.484
- They're not loving.
- 00:37:12.484 --> 00:37:13.552
- They don't accept you as you are like we do here at school.
- 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:18.691
- And so what this does is it really kind of creates a rift
- 00:37:18.691 --> 00:37:23.095
- between the parents and the children that takes those kids
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- and kind of brings them over to the side
- 00:37:27.700 --> 00:37:30.235
- of the social justice activists,
- 00:37:30.235 --> 00:37:32.137
- which is what the end goal is.
- 00:37:32.137 --> 00:37:34.173
- - And so effectively, we as parents,
- 00:37:34.173 --> 00:37:37.609
- if we're dropping our kids off at a public school
- 00:37:37.609 --> 00:37:40.813
- that's teaching critical theory, gender theory,
- 00:37:40.813 --> 00:37:45.117
- essentially we are handing the parenting
- 00:37:45.117 --> 00:37:49.088
- over to the government to train up our children
- 00:37:49.088 --> 00:37:53.425
- in the way they say they should go.
- 00:37:53.425 --> 00:37:56.462
- And ultimately, that responsibility falls with us
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- when we stand before God.
- 00:38:01.033 --> 00:38:03.369
- You also say that some educators, teachers,
- 00:38:03.369 --> 00:38:06.672
- are actually being weaponized in the scenario
- 00:38:06.672 --> 00:38:10.542
- and maybe unknowingly being part of the problem
- 00:38:10.542 --> 00:38:13.846
- when they think they're just trying to be understanding.
- 00:38:13.846 --> 00:38:18.484
- How is that the case?
- 00:38:18.484 --> 00:38:20.686
- - So I wanna make this clear.
- 00:38:20.686 --> 00:38:23.055
- I think most people, when they hear this,
- 00:38:23.055 --> 00:38:24.990
- they think not my teachers, not my school.
- 00:38:24.990 --> 00:38:28.494
- We've got Christian teachers, like principal's a Christian.
- 00:38:28.494 --> 00:38:30.896
- - Yeah, we've got good teachers.
- 00:38:30.896 --> 00:38:32.398
- - We've got great teachers that love the students.
- 00:38:32.398 --> 00:38:34.767
- What is happening is that that love for the students
- 00:38:34.767 --> 00:38:38.737
- is being manipulated by people who have this agenda
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- to promote this ideology in schools.
- 00:38:42.074 --> 00:38:45.477
- And they're sold this caring program
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- of we need to care for these kids.
- 00:38:50.349 --> 00:38:52.684
- It has nice sounding names like social emotional learning.
- 00:38:53.986 --> 00:38:56.622
- So that would be used to teach kids about other kids
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- who come from different lifestyles that feel different
- 00:39:00.659 --> 00:39:04.129
- about their gender and sexuality.
- 00:39:04.129 --> 00:39:06.265
- And so these ideas are kind of,
- 00:39:06.265 --> 00:39:09.568
- these teachers are feeling like they need to do this.
- 00:39:09.568 --> 00:39:13.272
- Especially once a kid shows up in their classroom
- 00:39:13.272 --> 00:39:17.810
- that identifies differently,
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- they feel this need, this urge, to kind of protect them,
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- make sure they don't feel awkward,
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- or don't feel like they're not normal.
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- And through this process,
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- they begin to teach the other kids.
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- And then, it becomes kind of a flywheel
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- that builds on their empathy.
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- - Wow, after the break, let's spend some time
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- talking about out how we're seeing CRT
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- and gender theory being used in tandem
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- and what we as the family of faith can do about it.
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- This has really been an intriguing conversation.
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- Now, let's put all the pieces together
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- and showcase what's really going on with these theories
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- and what we can do about it.
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- Josh, we've talked about critical race theory.
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- We've talked about gender theory.
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- Can you give us some more, paint some more pictures
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- of what's actually going on in the classrooms
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- and how these theories are affecting kids,
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- critical race theory and gender theory.
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- What are these kids feeling about themselves,
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- about their classmates, about their family,
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- about God and the world around them?
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- - Yeah, I think these ideas are really having
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- a terrible effect on our kids.
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- I talk about in the original thread how critical race theory
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- is being introduced into these classrooms,
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- and it kind of tears kids down.
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- It says you inherit a legacy of oppression
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- that you are the recipients of this privilege
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- that has been stolen from people of color
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- that you are somehow complicit in.
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- So in child terms, you're bad, there's a problem.
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- And then, gender theory comes in
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- and really offers them these identities to step into
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- and be celebrated like, oh, no,
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- you're not one of the bad people anymore.
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- You're one of the good people.
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- It all clicked for me when I was studying
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- the Chinese revolution.
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- The Chinese cultural revolution took place
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- in the sixties and seventies for about 10 years.
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- And so what happened in that is Chairman Mao
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- took over control of the schools,
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- and he divided everybody up into 10 classes.
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- He had five black classes and five red classes.
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- So the black classes were bad classes.
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- You were either a landlord, you were a capitalist,
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- or you were a counter-revolutionary,
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- this broad term that most people got thrown into.
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- And the red classes were good classes.
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- So this was revolutionaries, workers, things like that.
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- And so what they would do is they'd have
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- these struggle sessions with the students.
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- And they would be forced to denounce themselves,
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- denounce their family,
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- to turn in their family for revolutionary behavior.
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- And through that, they were given opportunities.
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- So once the child is torn down
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- and believe they're bad, part of this bad class,
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- they were given the opportunity to perform acts
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- for the state that would move them into the red classes.
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- And so Mao used this to create what was called the Red Guard
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- that went on to carry out horrible atrocities
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- in the name of this vision of communist utopia
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- they were trying to create.
- 00:42:54.157 --> 00:42:56.159
- - Wow, so that sounds a lot like what's going on today.
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- Divide people up into the bad group and the good groups.
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- And if you denounce yourself in the bad group,
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- you'll have a chance by virtue signaling in some kind of way
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- to join one of the good groups.
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- And now, you get to be celebrated.
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- And now, you're okay.
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- You know what this sounds to me
- 00:43:16.613 --> 00:43:17.814
- is a counterfeit law and gospel.
- 00:43:17.814 --> 00:43:20.884
- So as believers, we come to God, we recognize our sin.
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- Our conscience lets us know that we need God's forgiveness.
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- And we loathe our own selfishness.
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- And we repent of that sin.
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- We go to God in faith,
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- and he gives us a new identity in Christ.
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- This is the new birth.
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- This is being born again.
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- And what you're saying is that politically,
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- culturally, dictators will do a similar thing.
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- Essentially, they set themselves up as God.
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- And they say, "You're over here in the black classes.
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- And therefore, you're bad.
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- You need to loathe yourself, repent of all of your cultural
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- or your inherited sins or your financial sins.
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- And then, through your repentance and faith in me
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- and in my system, you can now join the good groups
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- and have a whole new identity given to you.
- 00:44:08.865 --> 00:44:11.234
- - Yep, that's exactly what we're seeing.
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- And that's why I named my podcast, "The Great Awokening",
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- 'cause it really describes this whole thing
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- that we're seeing with wokeness.
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- It's taking the place of religion.
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- As America becomes less and less tethered
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- from our Christian heritage.
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- We're finding ourselves empty,
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- and we're recognizing a problem in us
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- that there is something bad,
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- that there is something about us
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- that needs a form of redemption.
- 00:44:38.495 --> 00:44:41.564
- And this woke ideology of critical theory is stepping in
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- and operating as a false religion.
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- And Satan often operates that way
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- where he provides a counterfeit gospel
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- that too many people are falling into right now.
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- - Yeah, I'm really praying for this great awakening,
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- 'cause if we don't have a great awakening,
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- we're gonna wake up one day
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- and understand that the great awokening has taken its place.
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- And I believe that we are right
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- in the middle of that right now.
- 00:45:15.532 --> 00:45:17.367
- I remember hearing a story about a young lady who came out
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- of a communist dictatorship and authoritarian government.
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- And she said, when I first heard the gospel,
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- it wasn't difficult for me to understand.
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- It was easy for me to believe,
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- because essentially, I was taught the same thing
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- under the dictator who set himself up as God.
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- And I was taught that the dictator could see my thoughts,
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- that his spirit lived inside of my heart.
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- And if I would put my faith in him and obey him,
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- that all would be well with me,
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- and one day I would go to his heaven, to his utopia.
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- And that's just an evil manipulation
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- and a twisting of the truth of the gospel.
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- And we see that same pattern being played out
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- right now through critical race theory
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- and these other areas where kids are being torn down
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- and given opportunities to place their faith in leaders
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- and in systems that give them a brand new identity,
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- only it's a false identity.
- 00:46:18.127 --> 00:46:21.497
- - And it's a perpetual one.
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- Christianity is the only religion where God himself
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- stepped in to solve our problem.
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- It doesn't require us to keep performing
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- and keep demonstrating our virtue
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- over and over and over again
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- and doing these acts to step into an identity.
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- It is all done for us on the cross
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- where Jesus took that sin upon his back.
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- And I think right now, it would be super easy
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- to get discouraged by all this,
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- especially if this is all new to you.
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- It's heavy stuff.
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- It's alarming stuff.
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- But I think Christians,
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- we need to look at this as an opportunity.
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- The wide scale adoption of these ideas shows us
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- that there's a hunger in people's heart for meaning.
- 00:47:09.779 --> 00:47:12.782
- So in the past, where we've been content to watch TV
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- and just live our consuming lifestyle,
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- we're entering into a phase where people
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- are seeing the emptiness of all that,
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- and they want something more,
- 00:47:26.362 --> 00:47:27.897
- they want more to live for.
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- And we have the answer, we have the gospel,
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- and we need to be stepping into this moment
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- unafraid to really address this stuff
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- and offer a better way.
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- - That's right, I agree with you,
- 00:47:38.708 --> 00:47:40.643
- because at the end of the day,
- 00:47:40.643 --> 00:47:41.611
- false systems cannot stand.
- 00:47:41.611 --> 00:47:43.579
- Eventually, the deceivers will overplay their hand,
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- and those who have eyes to see will discover the truth,
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- and it will collapse on itself.
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- And we need to be there with the gospel,
- 00:47:56.326 --> 00:47:58.227
- with the truth to say that, look,
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- if you're gonna hate yourself,
- 00:48:00.330 --> 00:48:01.965
- don't hate the person that God made in his own image.
- 00:48:01.965 --> 00:48:06.336
- He made you, he loves you.
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- Hate the rebellion that has sent you away from God,
- 00:48:08.905 --> 00:48:13.176
- the selfishness, the pride, the greed, all of that,
- 00:48:13.176 --> 00:48:15.678
- and turn to the God who can make you brand new
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- and give you your true identity in Christ.
- 00:48:18.715 --> 00:48:20.984
- - Absolutely. - That's the gospel,
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- and that's empowering, that's liberating,
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- and it brings Heaven to Earth.
- 00:48:23.953 --> 00:48:25.588
- It doesn't bring a communist utopia,
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- which never turns out well.
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- It brings real blessing.
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- Man, Josh, we really appreciate these incredible insights.
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- Thanks for sharing this with us.
- 00:48:38.768 --> 00:48:40.003
- And thanks for joining us today, everyone.
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- After the break, we're gonna review
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- some of our "Takeaways" from today's conversations.
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- So don't go away.
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- Welcome back.
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- Thanks so much to Josh Daws for joining us
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- for such an important conversation.
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- Let's review our takeaways.
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- One, not all truth is dependent
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- on lived experience or perspective.
- 00:49:11.532 --> 00:49:14.235
- Truth is truth.
- 00:49:14.235 --> 00:49:16.037
- Each of us live different lives
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- and bring different experiences
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- to the table to share with each other,
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- but experience does not change, alter,
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- or dictate absolute truth.
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- Two, don't settle for a counterfeit gospel.
- 00:49:28.215 --> 00:49:31.886
- Rebellion is one of Satan's oldest tricks in the book.
- 00:49:31.886 --> 00:49:34.922
- And while humanity at large
- 00:49:34.922 --> 00:49:36.457
- does desperately need an identity shift,
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- it is not the one found in the principles
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- of critical race theory or gender theory,
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- but rather it's the shift from death to life.
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- An escape from decay and corruption
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- into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
- 00:49:50.771 --> 00:49:54.408
- Second Corinthians 5:17 tells us that,
- 00:49:55.509 --> 00:49:57.578
- "If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.
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- The old has passed away.
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- Behold, the new has come."
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- Three, you are the best person to train your child.
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- Even though some leaders are challenging
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- parental authority in today's education,
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- we are commissioned by God to train up our children
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- in the way they should go.
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- No secrets should be kept from us parents
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- when it comes to our kids.
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- Four, pray for eyes to see truth.
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- Josh shared about a practical application
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- from God's word to not conform to a godless world,
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- but rather to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.
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- And part of that means recognizing
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- when biblical truth is being exchanged for a lie
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- and identities are being formed by looking
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- to the creature rather than the creator.
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- Well, that's all for this episode of "Takeaways".
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- Thanks for watching, and if you've enjoyed this show,
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